I will suggest that when she tells a majority black audience that the PPP is using "people who look like us and people who look like Bharat" she isnt discussing policy or about competency.

When this type of language came out of the mouth of Jagdeo I condemned it.

Question why she uses this language instead of outlining what plans that APNU (and maybe AFC) have to improve the lives of people of GT and how this is better than what the PPP can offer?

I know that you aren't that naïve.

caribny posted:

I will suggest that when she tells a majority black audience that the PPP is using "people who look like us and people who look like Bharat" she isnt discussing policy or about competency.

When this type of language came out of the mouth of Jagdeo I condemned it.

Question why she uses this language instead of outlining what plans that APNU (and maybe AFC) have to improve the lives of people of GT and how this is better than what the PPP can offer?

I know that you aren't that naïve.

stop your nonsense and address my simple question

caribny posted:

I will suggest that when she tells a majority black audience that the PPP is using "people who look like us and people who look like Bharat" she isnt discussing policy or about competency.

When this type of language came out of the mouth of Jagdeo I condemned it.

Question why she uses this language instead of outlining what plans that APNU (and maybe AFC) have to improve the lives of people of GT and how this is better than what the PPP can offer?

I know that you aren't that naïve.

Correct Caribny.

Your third sentence reflects the focus for people in Georgetown and also country-wide.

ronan posted:
caribny posted:

I will suggest that when she tells a majority black audience that the PPP is using "people who look like us and people who look like Bharat" she isnt discussing policy or about competency.

When this type of language came out of the mouth of Jagdeo I condemned it.

Question why she uses this language instead of outlining what plans that APNU (and maybe AFC) have to improve the lives of people of GT and how this is better than what the PPP can offer?

I know that you aren't that naïve.

stop your nonsense and address my simple question

The fact that YOU refuse to understand what I said is YOUR issue.  This is my answer.  Now tell me what in these comments ensures that APNU expands its vote beyond its African base?

Demerara_Guy posted:
caribny posted:

I will suggest that when she tells a majority black audience that the PPP is using "people who look like us and people who look like Bharat" she isnt discussing policy or about competency.

When this type of language came out of the mouth of Jagdeo I condemned it.

Question why she uses this language instead of outlining what plans that APNU (and maybe AFC) have to improve the lives of people of GT and how this is better than what the PPP can offer?

I know that you aren't that naïve.

Correct Caribny.

Your third sentence reflects the focus for people in Georgetown and also country-wide.

As long as you understand that the PPP started this nonsense.  Jagdeo was full of this in the last election.  Clearly appealing to an ethnic base.

ronan posted:
caribny posted:

Question why she uses this language instead of outlining what plans that APNU (and maybe AFC) have to improve the lives of people of GT 

 

 

How can they improve their lives when they elected the same bunch of PNC crooks and thieves like the crooked mayor while GT smells like a latrine ?

yuji22 posted:
ronan posted:
caribny posted:

Question why she uses this language instead of outlining what plans that APNU (and maybe AFC) have to improve the lives of people of GT 

 

 

How can they improve their lives when they elected the same bunch of PNC crooks and thieves like the crooked mayor while GT smells like a latrine ?

The same way that Berbicians are suffering when they elected a bunch of PPP crooks and thieves.

And please dont deny this when the population of Region 6 declined by over 20% in the years when the PPP was in power. No other region suffered such a catastrophic decline.

caribny posted:
Demerara_Guy posted:
caribny posted:

I will suggest that when she tells a majority black audience that the PPP is using "people who look like us and people who look like Bharat" she isnt discussing policy or about competency.

When this type of language came out of the mouth of Jagdeo I condemned it.

Question why she uses this language instead of outlining what plans that APNU (and maybe AFC) have to improve the lives of people of GT and how this is better than what the PPP can offer?

I know that you aren't that naïve.

Correct Caribny.

Your third sentence reflects the focus for people in Georgetown and also country-wide.

As long as you understand that the PPP started this nonsense.  Jagdeo was full of this in the last election.  Clearly appealing to an ethnic base.

Personal view, perhaps.

caribny posted:
ronan posted:
caribny posted:

I will suggest that when she tells a majority black audience that the PPP is using "people who look like us and people who look like Bharat" she isnt discussing policy or about competency.

When this type of language came out of the mouth of Jagdeo I condemned it.

Question why she uses this language instead of outlining what plans that APNU (and maybe AFC) have to improve the lives of people of GT and how this is better than what the PPP can offer?

I know that you aren't that naïve.

stop your nonsense and address my simple question

The fact that YOU refuse to understand what I said is YOUR issue.  This is my answer. Now tell me what in these comments ensures that APNU expands its vote beyond its African base?

interesting question [we likely agree on the answer] . . . but that’s not the subject of THIS thread

now focus, and stop meandering all over the place

Indos care about their brothers and sisters and are moving to prosperous countries like Canada and USA making us one of the most prosperous groups of immigrants. We sponsor our relatives, this is the biggest contributing factor. We are a people on the move and prosperity is not catastrophic for us.

PPP won the LGE with a 61 percent margin and moved into PNC strongholds and giving them shytings.

The PNC needs to worry at this time.

I agree that Guyana appears to be lost. Imagine the People of GT selecting the same bunch of crooked thieves to govern while it smells like a Latrine. Go figure. 

ronan posted:
 

now focus, and stop meandering all over the place

I am not meandering.  I am merely saying that reverting to ethnic appeals isnt the way for APNU to deal with the fact that it was arrogant with its base and the base responded by staying home.  So does APNU now think that they won their battle with the teachers and the vendors and others of the PNC base? Or dealt with the anger that many within the PNC feel when they see APNU officials dealing with the same corrupt oligarchs that also benefitted under Jagdeo?

So APNU resorts to open ethnic pandering to divert from these issues.

Volda's question should have been about querying why apparently the crowds were almost exclusively black.  Instead of pandering to them by talking about the PPP fielding "people who look like you" in order to fool them.  Also talking about "others who looked like Bharat".  The devout party base alone never wins elections, so their cheers dont matter.  Even David Hinds seems concerned about this.

I dont see how this differs from when Jagdeo, having defined the PPP as a party whose base is rural Indian, then screams "we gun tek back Guyana for us".

yuji22 posted:

Indos care about their brothers and sisters and are moving to prosperous countries like Canada and USA making us one of the most prosperous groups of immigrants. e

Indo Guyanese are NOT the most prosperous of immigrants. Stop living vicariously through the success of Asian Indians. This elite group of South Asian immigrants look down their noses at you and this fact has been discussed over the past few days.

caribny posted:
ronan posted:

now focus, and stop meandering all over the place

I am not meandering.  I am merely saying that reverting to ethnic appeals isnt the way for APNU to deal with the fact that it was arrogant with its base and the base responded by staying home.  So does APNU now think that they won their battle with the teachers and the vendors and others of the PNC base? Or dealt with the anger that many within the PNC feel when they see APNU officials dealing with the same corrupt oligarchs that also benefitted under Jagdeo?

So APNU resorts to open ethnic pandering to divert from these issues.

Volda's question should have been about querying why apparently the crowds were almost exclusively black.  Instead of pandering to them by talking about the PPP fielding "people who look like you" in order to fool them.  Also talking about "others who looked like Bharat".  The devout party base alone never wins elections, so their cheers dont matter.  Even David Hinds seems concerned about this.

I dont see how this differs from when Jagdeo, having defined the PPP as a party whose base is rural Indian, then screams "we gun tek back Guyana for us".

too much personal shyte (and ambition) coloring reason and important input from intelligent people intra-coalition

schadenfreude of David Hinds, et al front and center

that the Volda Lawrence ‘plan’ is opportunistic and cynical, granted . . . doomed to fail, sure

but FUNDAMENTALLY different from the screamings of Rohee/Jagdeo!

your stuff about race appeal is counter-intuitive . . . nuff waste talking fuh talk sake

ronan posted:
caribny posted:
ronan posted:

now focus, and stop meandering all over the place

I am not meandering.  I am merely saying that reverting to ethnic appeals isnt the way for APNU to deal with the fact that it was arrogant with its base and the base responded by staying home.  So does APNU now think that they won their battle with the teachers and the vendors and others of the PNC base? Or dealt with the anger that many within the PNC feel when they see APNU officials dealing with the same corrupt oligarchs that also benefitted under Jagdeo?

So APNU resorts to open ethnic pandering to divert from these issues.

Volda's question should have been about querying why apparently the crowds were almost exclusively black.  Instead of pandering to them by talking about the PPP fielding "people who look like you" in order to fool them.  Also talking about "others who looked like Bharat".  The devout party base alone never wins elections, so their cheers dont matter.  Even David Hinds seems concerned about this.

I dont see how this differs from when Jagdeo, having defined the PPP as a party whose base is rural Indian, then screams "we gun tek back Guyana for us".

too much personal shyte (and ambition) coloring reason and important input from intelligent people intra-coalition

schadenfreude of David Hinds, et al front and center

that the Volda Lawrence ‘plan’ is opportunistic and cynical, granted . . . doomed to fail, sure

but FUNDAMENTALLY different from the screamings of Rohee/Jagdeo!

your stuff about race appeal is counter-intuitive . . . nuff waste talking fuh talk sake

Can you skt write fo we understand.. Jeeesss man 

 

 

 

Labba posted:

Hey hey hey...we one lover ronan daub and project he racism pon coolies dat he cyant see am when he mattie do same. Hey hey hey...dis is why dem one lovers and chuch goers is hypocrite. Hey hey hey...

show where i have demonstrated “racism” to daub and project "pon coolies” or shut up

ronan posted:
 

that the Volda Lawrence ‘plan’ is opportunistic and cynical, granted . . . doomed to fail, sure

 

Volda now says "she gun only hire she friends and is only PNC friends she gat".

Now explain, given ethnic politics, in Guyana how this isn't ethnic pandering?  What is her goal in saying this?

And importantly, how are those who are known AFC supporters (much of GT's middle class) supposed to take this?

I think we remember what happened the last time that the PNC blatantly played the party card.

Baseman posted:
yuji22 posted:

Indos care about their brothers and sisters.....

Shut yuh fake Brahma patacake!!  Yuh evva gi wan push-toe slippers 🥿 to a lil hungry belly, barefooted coolie school Pickney in Guyana?

Why should he?  I have been saying this since I arrived on GNI.  Finally he is honest about one thing.

Now why is he angry when Volda screams that she learned her lesson and will now do the same thing?

ronan posted:
 

your stuff about race appeal is counter-intuitive . . . nuff waste talking fuh talk sake

Jagdeo said "we gun tek back Guyana" and many, including Ralph Ramkarran, understood the ethnic implications.  Especially when Jagdeo screamed that "we" means rural Indians (notably not urban).

Volda says about the PPP using people "who look like you" and then says she gun only hire PNC people. Now who "looks like you" when the crowd as almost exclusively black?

I am surprised that you do not see in Guyana how both politicians aren't playing the same game of ethnic pandering to garner greater support from their ethnic base.

The reality is that Indians are now just over 40% of the vote and blacks around 32% and we can add those mixed identified people whose political behavior is like that of blacks. 

Fact is that neither add up to more than 50% so such blatant ethnic appeals do not work.  APNU just left room open for Jagdeo to pull his stunts.

caribny posted:
ronan posted:
 

that the Volda Lawrence ‘plan’ is opportunistic and cynical, granted . . . doomed to fail, sure

 

Volda now says "she gun only hire she friends and is only PNC friends she gat".

Now explain, given ethnic politics, in Guyana how this isn't ethnic pandering?  What is her goal in saying this?

And importantly, how are those who are known AFC supporters (much of GT's middle class) supposed to take this?

I think we remember what happened the last time that the PNC blatantly played the party card.

Ronan,

With all due respect,

Carib is right about what he is saying, Re: "stoking ethnic fears".

I have said before that words matter, especially when its coming from top political leaders who

a) do not think about what they are saying because they get all emotional and speak from their heart rather than their head and

b) do not take into consideration how their rhetoric is being received by the "others"

Now, Jagdeo at Babu John was a more extreme case, but Volda, a PNC leader (possible president) is going to be carefully monitored (as old man Granger becomes more like a "Lame Duck" president) and her narrative are going to be amplified when it is perceived to contain "coded words". 

If anything it is adding fodder to the PPP's arsenal.

Dont forget that the country is already divided and those in power seems to believe that "we in charge now". 

Politicians in Guyana are not known for "rising above the fray" or even pretend for a minute to speak on behalf of ALL GUYANESE....the tribalism rears its ugly head ....I am telling you it will get worse...and dont think for a minute that when the cameras are not running that politicians will be talking about "ONE LOVE" and "ONE NATION".

This referenced excerpt is quite telling:

"people who look like us and people who look like Bharat" 

I would suggest you take a step back, pretend you are Jagdeo or a PPP supporter, and try and analyze Volda's statement from the perspective of an Indo...

VishMahabir posted:
caribny posted:
ronan posted:
 

that the Volda Lawrence ‘plan’ is opportunistic and cynical, granted . . . doomed to fail, sure

 

Volda now says "she gun only hire she friends and is only PNC friends she gat".

Now explain, given ethnic politics, in Guyana how this isn't ethnic pandering?  What is her goal in saying this?

And importantly, how are those who are known AFC supporters (much of GT's middle class) supposed to take this?

I think we remember what happened the last time that the PNC blatantly played the party card.

Ronan,

With all due respect,

Carib is right about what he is saying, Re: "stoking ethnic fears".

I have said before that words matter, especially when its coming from top political leaders who

a) do not think about what they are saying because they get all emotional and speak from their heart rather than their head and

b) do not take into consideration how their rhetoric is being received by the "others"

Now, Jagdeo at Babu John was a more extreme case, but Volda, a PNC leader (possible president) is going to be carefully monitored (as old man Granger becomes more like a "Lame Duck" president) and her narrative are going to be amplified when it is perceived to contain "coded words". 

If anything it is adding fodder to the PPP's arsenal.

Dont forget that the country is already divided and those in power seems to believe that "we in charge now". 

Politicians in Guyana are not known for "rising above the fray" or even pretend for a minute to speak on behalf of ALL GUYANESE....the tribalism rears its ugly head ....I am telling you it will get worse...and dont think for a minute that when the cameras are not running that politicians will be talking about "ONE LOVE" and "ONE NATION".

This referenced excerpt is quite telling:

"people who look like us and people who look like Bharat" 

I would suggest you take a step back, pretend you are Jagdeo or a PPP supporter, and try and analyze Volda's statement from the perspective of an Indo...

What is probably more troubling and what may fall in the realm of "stoking" is the fact that she is not telling the largely black audience how they intend to get back these seats, but her concern seems to be geared at removing and rolling back the gains made by the PPP. 

VishMahabir posted:

What is probably more troubling and what may fall in the realm of "stoking" is the fact that she is not telling the largely black audience how they intend to get back these seats, but her concern seems to be geared at removing and rolling back the gains made by the PPP

"stoking" . . . huh?

this is the illegitimate/out-of-bounds stuff that Volda Lawrence is being nailed to the cross for . . . banna, are you for real?

weird people posting here

VishMahabir posted:

This referenced excerpt is quite telling:

"people who look like us and people who look like Bharat" 

I would suggest you take a step back, pretend you are Jagdeo or a PPP supporter, and try and analyze Volda's statement from the perspective of an Indo...

the woman is telling the Afro party faithful that the PNC needs to recruit Indians, i.e., "people who look like Bharat" to win back the lost LDCs

your consternation/horror at that which should be celebrated is indeed "quite telling"!

smfh

caribny posted:
ronan posted:
 

your stuff about race appeal is counter-intuitive . . . nuff waste talking fuh talk sake

Jagdeo said "we gun tek back Guyana" and many, including Ralph Ramkarran, understood the ethnic implications.  Especially when Jagdeo screamed that "we" means rural Indians (notably not urban).

Taking it back for the people.  Your party is more interest in self gratification, fat salaries and free food.  They have upset the apple cart and left the sugar workers, teachers, civil service etc to fend for themselves!

Are you ok with the PNC way of doing business?

ronan posted:
VishMahabir posted:

This referenced excerpt is quite telling:

"people who look like us and people who look like Bharat" 

I would suggest you take a step back, pretend you are Jagdeo or a PPP supporter, and try and analyze Volda's statement from the perspective of an Indo...

the woman is telling the Afro party faithful that the PNC needs to recruit Indians, i.e., "people who look like Bharat" to win back the lost LDCs

your consternation/horror at that which should be celebrated is indeed "quite telling"!

smfh

No one's crucifying Volda...your heroine...she is perceived as a "President in waiting"

...as such her words can have the potential of inflaming passions, not necessarily causing a backlash from Indos, but her own supporters...who are inclined to believe that "invaders" must be removed from the "PNC house".

Volda knows that her supporters are aware that they have to do better at the 2020 election...so instead ...why not focus on why the PNC lost seats and how they plan to do better.

Here is a novel idea...instead of speaking to the faithfuls...why not  ask Volda to do a 360 and go into a predominantly Indo area and articulate  a national program her government will implement to benefit all Guyanese.

If she can do this and pull off a Rodneyite kind of multi-cultural support, and avoid invoking the "Bharrat bogey man", then she may be credited for cultivating a new kind of political culture in Guyana....one in which the benevolent victors are willing to share the spoils with the "others"...and their screams of "social cohesion" might be taken seriously.

VishMahabir posted:
ronan posted:
VishMahabir posted:

This referenced excerpt is quite telling:

"people who look like us and people who look like Bharat" 

I would suggest you take a step back, pretend you are Jagdeo or a PPP supporter, and try and analyze Volda's statement from the perspective of an Indo...

the woman is telling the Afro party faithful that the PNC needs to recruit Indians, i.e., "people who look like Bharat" to win back the lost LDCs

your consternation/horror at that which should be celebrated is indeed "quite telling"!

smfh

Volda...your heroine...

you are useless . . . g'wan suh

ronan posted:
VishMahabir posted:
ronan posted:
VishMahabir posted:

This referenced excerpt is quite telling:

"people who look like us and people who look like Bharat" 

I would suggest you take a step back, pretend you are Jagdeo or a PPP supporter, and try and analyze Volda's statement from the perspective of an Indo...

the woman is telling the Afro party faithful that the PNC needs to recruit Indians, i.e., "people who look like Bharat" to win back the lost LDCs

your consternation/horror at that which should be celebrated is indeed "quite telling"!

smfh

Volda...your heroine...

you are useless . . . g'wan suh

Banna,

Dats all you gat?

now yuh sound like Volda...loss for words...your water-powered gun now going into "drip drip" mode...

 

VishMahabir posted:
ronan posted:
VishMahabir posted:
ronan posted:
VishMahabir posted:

This referenced excerpt is quite telling:

"people who look like us and people who look like Bharat" 

I would suggest you take a step back, pretend you are Jagdeo or a PPP supporter, and try and analyze Volda's statement from the perspective of an Indo...

the woman is telling the Afro party faithful that the PNC needs to recruit Indians, i.e., "people who look like Bharat" to win back the lost LDCs

your consternation/horror at that which should be celebrated is indeed "quite telling"!

smfh

Volda...your heroine...

you are useless . . . g'wan suh

Banna,

Dats all you gat?

now yuh sound like Volda...loss for words...your water-powered gun now going into "drip drip" mode... 

apparently you expecting me to validate your idleness and stupidity

i decline

ronan posted:
VishMahabir posted:
ronan posted:
VishMahabir posted:
ronan posted:
VishMahabir posted:

This referenced excerpt is quite telling:

"people who look like us and people who look like Bharat" 

I would suggest you take a step back, pretend you are Jagdeo or a PPP supporter, and try and analyze Volda's statement from the perspective of an Indo...

the woman is telling the Afro party faithful that the PNC needs to recruit Indians, i.e., "people who look like Bharat" to win back the lost LDCs

your consternation/horror at that which should be celebrated is indeed "quite telling"!

smfh

Volda...your heroine...

you are useless . . . g'wan suh

Banna,

Dats all you gat?

now yuh sound like Volda...loss for words...your water-powered gun now going into "drip drip" mode... 

apparently you expecting me to validate your idleness and stupidity

i decline

 

Stuuuppptttsss!   

(I believe in the Guyanese parlance it means sucking one's teeth in disbelief...according to my uncle)

caribny posted:
ronan posted:

your stuff about race appeal is counter-intuitive . . . nuff waste talking fuh talk sake

Volda says about the PPP using people "who look like you" . . .

i am assuming that you understand her use of the euphemism by now, and the context

next, contemplate "counterintuitive?

VishMahabir posted:
This referenced excerpt is quite telling:

"people who look like us and people who look like Bharat" 

I would suggest you take a step back, pretend you are Jagdeo or a PPP supporter, and try and analyze Volda's statement from the perspective of an Indo...

....sigh. Read the woman's remarks in context. She is telling her supporters (albeit crudely) that it is time to recruit people who "look like Bharat", meaning it is time to attract Indian candidates to the PNC. Just as the PPP got candidates "who look like us", meaning the PPP got black candidates.

What the hell is wrong with that? Rant and rave about her tone and handing out jobs to "PNC friends" but you're actually going to criticize her wanting to attract Indians to the PNC?

Baseman posted:

Your party is more interest in self gratification, fat salaries and free food.  They have upset the apple cart and left the sugar workers, teachers, civil service etc to fend for themselves!

you come here every day and indulge yourself in all kinds of battyshaking unreality on behalf of Jagdeo and the permanent GT race fringe

then backflip and present yourself in fresh clothes as some kind of rational interlocutor to those unfamiliar

you got issues banna

ronan posted:
Baseman posted:

Your party is more interest in self gratification, fat salaries and free food.  They have upset the apple cart and left the sugar workers, teachers, civil service etc to fend for themselves!

you come here every day and indulge yourself in all kinds of battyshaking unreality on behalf of Jagdeo and the permanent GT race fringe

then backflip and present yourself in fresh clothes as some kind of rational interlocutor to those unfamiliar

you got issues banna

Batty boi, did I tell something that was incorrect?  Please read what the teachers union and PSU says about the current regime!  Keep up this shyte up, no AK47 and hand grenades will keep you in power!

ronan posted:
Baseman posted:

Your party is more interest in self gratification, fat salaries and free food.  They have upset the apple cart and left the sugar workers, teachers, civil service etc to fend for themselves!

you come here every day and indulge yourself in all kinds of battyshaking unreality on behalf of Jagdeo and the permanent GT race fringe

then backflip and present yourself in fresh clothes as some kind of rational interlocutor to those unfamiliar

you got issues banna

bipolarism?  

Iguana posted:
VishMahabir posted:
This referenced excerpt is quite telling:

"people who look like us and people who look like Bharat" 

I would suggest you take a step back, pretend you are Jagdeo or a PPP supporter, and try and analyze Volda's statement from the perspective of an Indo...

....sigh. Read the woman's remarks in context. She is telling her supporters (albeit crudely) that it is time to recruit people who "look like Bharat", meaning it is time to attract Indian candidates to the PNC. Just as the PPP got candidates "who look like us", meaning the PPP got black candidates.

What the hell is wrong with that? Rant and rave about her tone and handing out jobs to "PNC friends" but you're actually going to criticize her wanting to attract Indians to the PNC?

Yo Iggy,

whats up?

ok...i gon withhold my comments and hold my breath until de lady tell us how she gon attract Indos, and until i see her addressing a fairly large Indo audience

....i am willing to ignore her crudeness for now...Guyana got too many crude politicians (except for ole man Granger who carries about himself with grace and dignity).

 

Baseman posted:
ronan posted:
Baseman posted:

Your party is more interest in self gratification, fat salaries and free food.  They have upset the apple cart and left the sugar workers, teachers, civil service etc to fend for themselves!

you come here every day and indulge yourself in all kinds of battyshaking unreality on behalf of Jagdeo and the permanent GT race fringe

then backflip and present yourself in fresh clothes as some kind of rational interlocutor to those unfamiliar

you got issues banna

Batty boi, did I tell something that was incorrect?  Please read what the teachers union and PSU says about the current regime!  Keep up this shyte up, no AK47 and hand grenades will keep you in power!

i will leave those sex fantasies of weaponry and Black man to you, your antiman cohort, Jagdeo, sundry PPP tap dawg criminals serving US jail time, and others soon within reach

caribny posted:
ronan posted:
 

that the Volda Lawrence ‘plan’ is opportunistic and cynical, granted . . . doomed to fail, sure

 

Volda now says "she gun only hire she friends and is only PNC friends she gat".

Now explain, given ethnic politics, in Guyana how this isn't ethnic pandering?  What is her goal in saying this?

And importantly, how are those who are known AFC supporters (much of GT's middle class) supposed to take this?

I think we remember what happened the last time that the PNC blatantly played the party card.

Leave Volda alone.  She could be the next President.  There is going to be a transition in 2019.

Ray posted:

VOlda has disqualified herself from any kind of leadership position with those comments...she is wrong for Guyana

She should go do some form of penance

She has relegated herself to attack dog at best with her atrocious comments. I thought that she had a chance of being elected as the 2020 presidential candidate but under normal circumstances she should have ruined that chance. However, this is Guyana we're talking about. Anil could be the PPP candidate after all he said so Volda could still be in the running.

Labba posted:

Hey hey hey...Volda seh she does only hire she matter PNC. Doh is code word for blackman and she does hire two token coolies. Hey hey hey...De woman wuss dan dem PPP bais. 

wrong thread!

let me hole yuh haan and guide you lil . . .  https://guyana.hoop.la/topic/pnc-in-fighting . . . arite?

apparently you get struck with all manner of DUMB as far as the TOPIC at hand is concerned

smoke n mirrors conflation is alyuh con man recourse when y’all disinformation get expose and FACTS & LOGIC brace

Mars posted:
Ray posted:

VOlda has disqualified herself from any kind of leadership position with those comments...she is wrong for Guyana

She should go do some form of penance

She has relegated herself to attack dog at best with her atrocious comments. I thought that she had a chance of being elected as the 2020 presidential candidate but under normal circumstances she should have ruined that chance. However, this is Guyana we're talking about. Anil could be the PPP candidate after all he said so Volda could still be in the running.

Anil never seh anything bad like de Vulgar lady. Anil never seh he go hire only he mattie. Bharrat never seh he go hire only he mattie. 

Labba posted:
Ray posted:

VOlda has disqualified herself from any kind of leadership position with those comments...she is wrong for Guyana

She should go do some form of penance

Yeah. She na no good. Dem one lovers givin she a pass though. 

Who has given her a pass you fat rat? Everyone here has condemned her comments except for the one with "look like Bharat" where she was actually trying to make the point of attracting Indians to the PNC and came off like a buffoon.

Buffoonery rules in Guyana. This is what the people in Guyana have to deal with. Yuh shud guh bak and set up Labba party. Bring flour boy Sase wid yuh and leh he powda up he face at de meetings.

Labba posted:
Mars posted:
Ray posted:

VOlda has disqualified herself from any kind of leadership position with those comments...she is wrong for Guyana

She should go do some form of penance

She has relegated herself to attack dog at best with her atrocious comments. I thought that she had a chance of being elected as the 2020 presidential candidate but under normal circumstances she should have ruined that chance. However, this is Guyana we're talking about. Anil could be the PPP candidate after all he said so Volda could still be in the running.

Anil never seh anything bad like de Vulgar lady. Anil never seh he go hire only he mattie. Bharrat never seh he go hire only he mattie. 

Did you ever hear the Kaieteur News recording of Anil? Not pleasant as far as I can remember. Plus his threats of Crum-Ewing who just happened to end up dead. As far as hiring mattie goes, they didn't have to say it. They did it.

ronan posted:
Labba posted:

Hey hey hey...Volda seh she does only hire she matter PNC. Doh is code word for blackman and she does hire two token coolies. Hey hey hey...De woman wuss dan dem PPP bais. 

wrong thread!

let me hole yuh haan and guide you lil . . .  https://guyana.hoop.la/topic/pnc-in-fighting . . . arite?

apparently you get struck with all manner of DUMB as far as the TOPIC at hand is concerned

smoke n mirrors conflation is alyuh con man recourse when y’all disinformation get expose and FACTS & LOGIC brace

Hey hey hey. Hear what de future PNC president of GUYANA seh:

DEMERARA WAVES: She made it clear that her priority is to give jobs to her friends who are evidently party supporters. “The only friends I got is PNC so the only people I gon give wuk to is PNC and right now I looking for a doctor who can talk Spanish or Portuguese and ah want one that is PNC,” said Lawrence who is also Minister of Public Health.

Hey hey hey: http://demerarawaves.com/2018/..._RkP_Z7b3x0Iim4ROeaI 

 

 

Labba posted:
Mars posted:
Ray posted:

VOlda has disqualified herself from any kind of leadership position with those comments...she is wrong for Guyana

She should go do some form of penance

She has relegated herself to attack dog at best with her atrocious comments. I thought that she had a chance of being elected as the 2020 presidential candidate but under normal circumstances she should have ruined that chance. However, this is Guyana we're talking about. Anil could be the PPP candidate after all he said so Volda could still be in the running.

Anil never seh anything bad like de Vulgar lady. Anil never seh he go hire only he mattie. Bharrat never seh he go hire only he mattie. 

No need for dem to seh it. Dem just DO it.

Mars posted:
Ray posted:

VOlda has disqualified herself from any kind of leadership position with those comments...she is wrong for Guyana

She should go do some form of penance

She has relegated herself to attack dog at best with her atrocious comments. I thought that she had a chance of being elected as the 2020 presidential candidate but under normal circumstances she should have ruined that chance. However, this is Guyana we're talking about. Anil could be the PPP candidate after all he said so Volda could still be in the running.

she is PNC chair . . . she is not running for president

guilty of one thing DOES NOT make her guilty of EVERYTHING!

she is PERFECTLY IN ORDER with [her] comments addressed on THIS thread

Iguana posted:
Labba posted:
Ray posted:

VOlda has disqualified herself from any kind of leadership position with those comments...she is wrong for Guyana

She should go do some form of penance

Yeah. She na no good. Dem one lovers givin she a pass though. 

Who has given her a pass you fat rat? Everyone here has condemned her comments except for the one with "look like Bharat" where she was actually trying to make the point of attracting Indians to the PNC and came off like a buffoon.

Buffoonery rules in Guyana. This is what the people in Guyana have to deal with. Yuh shud guh bak and set up Labba party. Bring flour boy Sase wid yuh and leh he powda up he face at de meetings.

Labba posted:
ronan posted:
Labba posted:

Hey hey hey...Volda seh she does only hire she matter PNC. Doh is code word for blackman and she does hire two token coolies. Hey hey hey...De woman wuss dan dem PPP bais. 

wrong thread!

let me hole yuh haan and guide you lil . . .  https://guyana.hoop.la/topic/pnc-in-fighting . . . arite?

apparently you get struck with all manner of DUMB as far as the TOPIC at hand is concerned

smoke n mirrors conflation is alyuh con man recourse when y’all disinformation get expose and FACTS & LOGIC brace

Hey hey hey. Hear what de future PNC president of GUYANA seh:

DEMERARA WAVES: She made it clear that her priority is to give jobs to her friends who are evidently party supporters. “The only friends I got is PNC so the only people I gon give wuk to is PNC and right now I looking for a doctor who can talk Spanish or Portuguese and ah want one that is PNC,” said Lawrence who is also Minister of Public Health.

Hey hey hey: http://demerarawaves.com/2018/..._RkP_Z7b3x0Iim4ROeaI 

yes idiot, as i pointed out previous, there is a whole (other) thread devoted to the DemeraraWaves reporting . . . where i had PLENTY to say

again, why you trying to derail THIS thread?

ronan posted:
Mars posted:
Ray posted:

VOlda has disqualified herself from any kind of leadership position with those comments...she is wrong for Guyana

She should go do some form of penance

She has relegated herself to attack dog at best with her atrocious comments. I thought that she had a chance of being elected as the 2020 presidential candidate but under normal circumstances she should have ruined that chance. However, this is Guyana we're talking about. Anil could be the PPP candidate after all he said so Volda could still be in the running.

she is PNC chair . . . she is not running for president

guilty of one thing DOES NOT make her guilty of EVERYTHING!

she is PERFECTLY IN ORDER with [her] comments addressed on THIS thread

Nobody is currently running for President on the PNC side but given Granger's health situation, they might well need a candidate in 2020. Volda would be one of the obvious front runners for the nomination from the PNC.

Sorry, but I cannot condone these reckless comments made by Ms. Lawrence. This doesn't sit well with me, coming from a potential presidential candidate in Guyana.

The only friends I got is PNC so the only people I gon give wuk to is PNC and right now I looking for a doctor who can talk Spanish or Portuguese and ah want one that is PNC,”

Mars posted:
ronan posted:
Mars posted:
Ray posted:

VOlda has disqualified herself from any kind of leadership position with those comments...she is wrong for Guyana

She should go do some form of penance

She has relegated herself to attack dog at best with her atrocious comments. I thought that she had a chance of being elected as the 2020 presidential candidate but under normal circumstances she should have ruined that chance. However, this is Guyana we're talking about. Anil could be the PPP candidate after all he said so Volda could still be in the running.

she is PNC chair . . . she is not running for president

guilty of one thing DOES NOT make her guilty of EVERYTHING!

she is PERFECTLY IN ORDER with [her] comments addressed on THIS thread

Nobody is currently running for President on the PNC side but given Granger's health situation, they might well need a candidate in 2020. Volda would be one of the obvious front runners for the nomination from the PNC.

Sorry, but I cannot condone these reckless comments made by Ms. Lawrence. This doesn't sit well with me, coming from a potential presidential candidate in Guyana.

The only friends I got is PNC so the only people I gon give wuk to is PNC and right now I looking for a doctor who can talk Spanish or Portuguese and ah want one that is PNC,”

please see my response to labba previous

and, since we are HERE . . . are you willing to acknowledge that Volda Lawrence has been FALSELY accused of “racist” comments as indicated in my lead post here?

ronan posted:
Labba posted:
ronan posted:
Labba posted:

Hey hey hey...Volda seh she does only hire she matter PNC. Doh is code word for blackman and she does hire two token coolies. Hey hey hey...De woman wuss dan dem PPP bais. 

wrong thread!

let me hole yuh haan and guide you lil . . .  https://guyana.hoop.la/topic/pnc-in-fighting . . . arite?

apparently you get struck with all manner of DUMB as far as the TOPIC at hand is concerned

smoke n mirrors conflation is alyuh con man recourse when y’all disinformation get expose and FACTS & LOGIC brace

Hey hey hey. Hear what de future PNC president of GUYANA seh:

DEMERARA WAVES: She made it clear that her priority is to give jobs to her friends who are evidently party supporters. “The only friends I got is PNC so the only people I gon give wuk to is PNC and right now I looking for a doctor who can talk Spanish or Portuguese and ah want one that is PNC,” said Lawrence who is also Minister of Public Health.

Hey hey hey: http://demerarawaves.com/2018/..._RkP_Z7b3x0Iim4ROeaI 

yes idiot, as i pointed out previous, there is a whole (other) thread devoted to the DemeraraWaves reporting . . . where i had PLENTY to say

again, why you trying to derail THIS thread?

Bai Labba selling he cane juice and biganie today. Ah dey bummin lil free wifi here in Parika market. Labba doan have time foh read everything. Hey hey hey...

ronan posted:
Mars posted:
ronan posted:
Mars posted:
Ray posted:

VOlda has disqualified herself from any kind of leadership position with those comments...she is wrong for Guyana

She should go do some form of penance

She has relegated herself to attack dog at best with her atrocious comments. I thought that she had a chance of being elected as the 2020 presidential candidate but under normal circumstances she should have ruined that chance. However, this is Guyana we're talking about. Anil could be the PPP candidate after all he said so Volda could still be in the running.

she is PNC chair . . . she is not running for president

guilty of one thing DOES NOT make her guilty of EVERYTHING!

she is PERFECTLY IN ORDER with [her] comments addressed on THIS thread

Nobody is currently running for President on the PNC side but given Granger's health situation, they might well need a candidate in 2020. Volda would be one of the obvious front runners for the nomination from the PNC.

Sorry, but I cannot condone these reckless comments made by Ms. Lawrence. This doesn't sit well with me, coming from a potential presidential candidate in Guyana.

The only friends I got is PNC so the only people I gon give wuk to is PNC and right now I looking for a doctor who can talk Spanish or Portuguese and ah want one that is PNC,”

please see my response to labba previous

and, since we are HERE . . . are you willing to acknowledge that Volda Lawrence has been FALSELY accused of “racist” comments as indicated in my lead post here?

Did you read what I said?

"Sorry, but I cannot condone these reckless comments made by Ms. Lawrence. This doesn't sit well with me, coming from a potential presidential candidate in Guyana."

Mars posted:
ronan posted:
Mars posted:
ronan posted:
Mars posted:
Ray posted:

VOlda has disqualified herself from any kind of leadership position with those comments...she is wrong for Guyana

She should go do some form of penance

She has relegated herself to attack dog at best with her atrocious comments. I thought that she had a chance of being elected as the 2020 presidential candidate but under normal circumstances she should have ruined that chance. However, this is Guyana we're talking about. Anil could be the PPP candidate after all he said so Volda could still be in the running.

she is PNC chair . . . she is not running for president

guilty of one thing DOES NOT make her guilty of EVERYTHING!

she is PERFECTLY IN ORDER with [her] comments addressed on THIS thread

Nobody is currently running for President on the PNC side but given Granger's health situation, they might well need a candidate in 2020. Volda would be one of the obvious front runners for the nomination from the PNC.

Sorry, but I cannot condone these reckless comments made by Ms. Lawrence. This doesn't sit well with me, coming from a potential presidential candidate in Guyana.

The only friends I got is PNC so the only people I gon give wuk to is PNC and right now I looking for a doctor who can talk Spanish or Portuguese and ah want one that is PNC,”

please see my response to labba previous

and, since we are HERE . . . are you willing to acknowledge that Volda Lawrence has been FALSELY accused of “racist” comments as indicated in my lead post here?

Did you read what I said?

"Sorry, but I cannot condone these reckless comments made by Ms. Lawrence. This doesn't sit well with me, coming from a potential presidential candidate in Guyana."

i read your quote

you are NOT addressing the subject of THIS thread

ronan posted:
Mars posted:

Did you read what I said?

"Sorry, but I cannot condone these reckless comments made by Ms. Lawrence. This doesn't sit well with me, coming from a potential presidential candidate in Guyana."

you are NOT addressing the subject of THIS thread

What are you, the new GNI thread police?

Does every one of your posts address the subject of the thread that they are posted in?

ronan posted:
Mars posted:
ronan posted:
Mars posted:
Ray posted:

VOlda has disqualified herself from any kind of leadership position with those comments...she is wrong for Guyana

She should go do some form of penance

She has relegated herself to attack dog at best with her atrocious comments. I thought that she had a chance of being elected as the 2020 presidential candidate but under normal circumstances she should have ruined that chance. However, this is Guyana we're talking about. Anil could be the PPP candidate after all he said so Volda could still be in the running.

she is PNC chair . . . she is not running for president

guilty of one thing DOES NOT make her guilty of EVERYTHING!

she is PERFECTLY IN ORDER with [her] comments addressed on THIS thread

Nobody is currently running for President on the PNC side but given Granger's health situation, they might well need a candidate in 2020. Volda would be one of the obvious front runners for the nomination from the PNC.

Sorry, but I cannot condone these reckless comments made by Ms. Lawrence. This doesn't sit well with me, coming from a potential presidential candidate in Guyana.

The only friends I got is PNC so the only people I gon give wuk to is PNC and right now I looking for a doctor who can talk Spanish or Portuguese and ah want one that is PNC,”

please see my response to labba previous

and, since we are HERE . . . are you willing to acknowledge that Volda Lawrence has been FALSELY accused of “racist” comments as indicated in my lead post here?

Bai is simple. If moss yuh votes coming fram one race and yuh seh all yuh frends dem from dat race...den all de peopkle yuh gee wuk is blackman. dis is de same reason dat BOG had 3 or 4 coolies in 1992 when PPP tek over. Dem peoplke hire dem matter and gee dem mattie house lots. Hey hey hey...Vulgar juss saying it loud and clear...

I agree the comments may not necessarily be racist, but being that mostly Afros support PNC and Indos PPP, the general conclusion could be that she want ah black for the position. (thus statement seen as racist)

She knows the history of Guyana, so the statement is reckless and shows that she nah ready yet....

Labba posted:

Bai is simple. If moss yuh votes coming fram one race and yuh seh all yuh frends dem from dat race...den all de peopkle yuh gee wuk is blackman. dis is de same reason dat BOG had 3 or 4 coolies in 1992 when PPP tek over. Dem peoplke hire dem matter and gee dem mattie house lots. Hey hey hey...Vulgar juss saying it loud and clear...

again, your bleatings have NOTHING to do with the topic HERE

so, why the elaborate ‘avoidance’ guerrilla tactics?

i know you are not that dense . . . what’s going on?

Ray posted:

I agree the comments may not necessarily be racist, but being that mostly Afros support PNC and Indos PPP, the general conclusion could be that she want ah black for the position. (thus statement seen as racist)

She knows the history of Guyana, so the statement is reckless and shows that she nah ready yet....

off TOPIC banna

Mars posted:
ronan posted:
Mars posted:

Did you read what I said?

"Sorry, but I cannot condone these reckless comments made by Ms. Lawrence. This doesn't sit well with me, coming from a potential presidential candidate in Guyana."

you are NOT addressing the subject of THIS thread

What are you, the new GNI thread police?

Does every one of your posts address the subject of the thread that they are posted in?

what you are engaging in is “avoidance” and running with the herd

ronan posted:
Mars posted:
ronan posted:
Mars posted:

Did you read what I said?

"Sorry, but I cannot condone these reckless comments made by Ms. Lawrence. This doesn't sit well with me, coming from a potential presidential candidate in Guyana."

you are NOT addressing the subject of THIS thread

What are you, the new GNI thread police?

Does every one of your posts address the subject of the thread that they are posted in?

what you are engaging in is “avoidance” and running with the herd

Aw, STFU and go shake your head or your batty like you're always doing.

Mars posted:
ronan posted:
Mars posted:
ronan posted:
Mars posted:

Did you read what I said?

"Sorry, but I cannot condone these reckless comments made by Ms. Lawrence. This doesn't sit well with me, coming from a potential presidential candidate in Guyana."

you are NOT addressing the subject of THIS thread

What are you, the new GNI thread police?

Does every one of your posts address the subject of the thread that they are posted in?

what you are engaging in is “avoidance” and running with the herd

Aw, STFU and go shake your head or your batty like you're always doing.

Mars posted:
ronan posted:
Mars posted:
ronan posted:
Mars posted:

Did you read what I said?

"Sorry, but I cannot condone these reckless comments made by Ms. Lawrence. This doesn't sit well with me, coming from a potential presidential candidate in Guyana."

you are NOT addressing the subject of THIS thread

What are you, the new GNI thread police?

Does every one of your posts address the subject of the thread that they are posted in?

what you are engaging in is “avoidance” and running with the herd

Aw, STFU and go shake your head or your batty like you're always doing.

mate . . . ahmmmm, checkmate!

uh huh

ronan posted:
Mars posted:
ronan posted:
Mars posted:
ronan posted:
Mars posted:

Did you read what I said?

"Sorry, but I cannot condone these reckless comments made by Ms. Lawrence. This doesn't sit well with me, coming from a potential presidential candidate in Guyana."

you are NOT addressing the subject of THIS thread

What are you, the new GNI thread police?

Does every one of your posts address the subject of the thread that they are posted in?

what you are engaging in is “avoidance” and running with the herd

Aw, STFU and go shake your head or your batty like you're always doing.

mate . . . ahmmmm, checkmate!

uh huh

Congrats. Write Amral and ask him for your prize.

I hope it's some medication for Parkinson's disease to rein in your uncontrollable head and batty shaking. 

Mars posted:
ronan posted:
Mars posted:
ronan posted:
Mars posted:
ronan posted:
Mars posted:

Did you read what I said?

"Sorry, but I cannot condone these reckless comments made by Ms. Lawrence. This doesn't sit well with me, coming from a potential presidential candidate in Guyana."

you are NOT addressing the subject of THIS thread

What are you, the new GNI thread police?

Does every one of your posts address the subject of the thread that they are posted in?

what you are engaging in is “avoidance” and running with the herd

Aw, STFU and go shake your head or your batty like you're always doing.

mate . . . ahmmmm, checkmate!

uh huh

Congrats. Write Amral and ask him for your prize.

I hope it's some medication for Parkinson's disease to rein in your uncontrollable head and batty shaking. 

fraudulence

you had NOTHING to say when Volda Lawrence was SCAMPISHLY and FALSELY accused of racism when she offered that PNC should recruit Indians to win back LDCs lost to the PPP

i had to start a whole thread to underline the wickedness . . . which, even now you are afraid to acknowledge

you choose, however, to run with the mob and derail this thread with importations from another thread to serve agendas unknown . . . not PPP agendas, but agendas athwart truth nonetheless

ronan posted:
Mars posted:

Congrats. Write Amral and ask him for your prize.

I hope it's some medication for Parkinson's disease to rein in your uncontrollable head and batty shaking. 

fraudulence

you had NOTHING to say when Volda Lawrence was SCAMPISHLY and FALSELY accused of racism when she offered that PNC should recruit Indians to win back LDCs lost to the PPP

i had to start a whole thread to underline the wickedness . . . which, even now you are afraid to acknowledge

you choose, however, to run with the mob and derail this thread with importations from another thread to serve agendas unknown . . . not PPP agendas, but agendas athwart truth nonetheless

Did you read and understand my comments about Ms. Lawrence? I never once accused the woman of racism. Am I obligated to reply to every thread now including the stupid ones that you are prone to starting? I can understand chastising someone for what they said but how can you castigate someone for not saying something. Do you know that the things people do not say amount to zillions of possibilities?

You really think I have time all day to address every thread started here? Lawd, stupidity reigns on GNI and like you came back for seconds when they were sharing it out.

Look, tek some castor oil and get rid of that shit backed up in yuh batty. You too dam crotchety and shaky. You behave worse than those geriatrics here. 

Mars posted:
ronan posted:
Mars posted:

Congrats. Write Amral and ask him for your prize.

I hope it's some medication for Parkinson's disease to rein in your uncontrollable head and batty shaking. 

fraudulence

you had NOTHING to say when Volda Lawrence was SCAMPISHLY and FALSELY accused of racism when she offered that PNC should recruit Indians to win back LDCs lost to the PPP

i had to start a whole thread to underline the wickedness . . . which, even now you are afraid to acknowledge

you choose, however, to run with the mob and derail this thread with importations from another thread to serve agendas unknown . . . not PPP agendas, but agendas athwart truth nonetheless

Am I obligated to reply to every thread now including the stupid ones that you are prone to starting? I can understand chastising someone for what they said but how can you castigate someone for not saying something. Do you know that the things people do not say amount to zillions of possibilities?

You really think I have time all day to address every thread started here? 

ahmmm . . . THIS is the thread i started

focus

ronan posted:
Mars posted:
ronan posted:
Mars posted:

Congrats. Write Amral and ask him for your prize.

I hope it's some medication for Parkinson's disease to rein in your uncontrollable head and batty shaking. 

fraudulence

you had NOTHING to say when Volda Lawrence was SCAMPISHLY and FALSELY accused of racism when she offered that PNC should recruit Indians to win back LDCs lost to the PPP

i had to start a whole thread to underline the wickedness . . . which, even now you are afraid to acknowledge

you choose, however, to run with the mob and derail this thread with importations from another thread to serve agendas unknown . . . not PPP agendas, but agendas athwart truth nonetheless

Am I obligated to reply to every thread now including the stupid ones that you are prone to starting? I can understand chastising someone for what they said but how can you castigate someone for not saying something. Do you know that the things people do not say amount to zillions of possibilities?

You really think I have time all day to address every thread started here? 

ahmmm . . . THIS is the thread i started

 

And your point is?

Mars posted:
ronan posted:
Mars posted:
ronan posted:
Mars posted:

Congrats. Write Amral and ask him for your prize.

I hope it's some medication for Parkinson's disease to rein in your uncontrollable head and batty shaking. 

fraudulence

you had NOTHING to say when Volda Lawrence was SCAMPISHLY and FALSELY accused of racism when she offered that PNC should recruit Indians to win back LDCs lost to the PPP

i had to start a whole thread to underline the wickedness . . . which, even now you are afraid to acknowledge

you choose, however, to run with the mob and derail this thread with importations from another thread to serve agendas unknown . . . not PPP agendas, but agendas athwart truth nonetheless

Am I obligated to reply to every thread now including the stupid ones that you are prone to starting? I can understand chastising someone for what they said but how can you castigate someone for not saying something. Do you know that the things people do not say amount to zillions of possibilities?

You really think I have time all day to address every thread started here? 

ahmmm . . . THIS is the thread i started 

And your point is?

you didn’t ignore, which would have left you better off

you tried to derail

that’s my point

ronan posted:
Mars posted:

And your point is?

you didn’t ignore, which would have left you better off

you tried to derail

that’s my point

Jackass, I couldn't care less about you and your stupid thread. It's a waste of time trying to decipher the nonsense you write here half of the time, anyway. I don't have the patience most times for people shaking their heads and stuttering.

I simply replied to a post from Ray which was within the scope of the topic. There was never any intention on my part to "derail your thread". That's how GNI operates in case you haven't noticed in between the many times you joined and left GNI crying. And if I did derail your thread, well, bite me. 

 

Mars posted:
ronan posted:
Mars posted:

And your point is?

you didn’t ignore, which would have left you better off

you tried to derail

that’s my point

Jackass, I couldn't care less about you and your stupid thread. It's a waste of time trying to decipher the nonsense you write here half of the time, anyway. I don't have the patience most times for people shaking their heads and stuttering.

I simply replied to a post from Ray which was within the scope of the topic. There was never any intention on my part to "derail your thread". That's how GNI operates in case you haven't noticed in between the many times you joined and left GNI crying. And if I did derail your thread, well, bite me. 

 

Some body batty getting scorch. 

Mars posted:
ronan posted:
Mars posted:

And your point is?

you didn’t ignore, which would have left you better off

you tried to derail

that’s my point

Jackass, I couldn't care less about you and your stupid thread. It's a waste of time trying to decipher the nonsense you write here half of the time, anyway. I don't have the patience most times for people shaking their heads and stuttering. 

you can’t even sustain a proper line of ‘argument’ . . . all you have is cuss cuss and run

pity you

VishMahabir posted:
 

 

 

"people who look like us and people who look like Bharat" 

I would suggest you take a step back, pretend you are Jagdeo or a PPP supporter, and try and analyze Volda's statement from the perspective of an Indo...

My question to you will be how many Indians take the time to understand how blacks felt under the PPP.  And this is important because many aren't going to tolerate a return of that era.

Jagdeo is a card carrying black hating racist and he failed in attempting to intimidate Freddie K who called him exactly that.

2020 comes and it isnt just blacks or the PNC which ought to be held t account. Even Gilbakka, a moderate and fair man (or at least I think that he is) seems to believe that all the PPP needs to do is to preach their gospel to black/mixed voters.  Indians just refuse to understand that it is not only they who feel the sting of ethnic insecurity.

ronan posted:
 

the woman is telling the Afro party faithful that the PNC needs to recruit Indians, i.e., "people who look like Bharat" to win back the lost LDCs

your consternation/horror at that which should be celebrated is indeed "quite telling"!

smfh

And after she told the crowd that she is only going to hire PNC people how will she accomplish this?

Her speech certainly didn't speak to inclusion at any level.  Yes she and the rest of them are now in panic with the sudden realization that they will be sent back outside when the PPP wins in 2020.  So now all types of intemperate chatter.

The question she should have been asking is why is it that the crowds were almost exclusively black, because it is blatantly obvious that the black vote alone (even with black identified mixed people included) cannot win any election in Guyana.

ronan posted:
Mars posted:
ronan posted:
Mars posted:

And your point is?

you didn’t ignore, which would have left you better off

you tried to derail

that’s my point

Jackass, I couldn't care less about you and your stupid thread. It's a waste of time trying to decipher the nonsense you write here half of the time, anyway. I don't have the patience most times for people shaking their heads and stuttering. 

you can’t even sustain a proper line of ‘argument’ . . . all you have is cuss cuss and run

pity you

uh-huh and SMF and batty shaking are the hallmarks of your "argument". 

Please!

Labba posted:

Imagine de weeping and de knashing of teeth if one a dem coolie bais dey seh dis in PPP time. Hey hey hey...awe time now...blackman pan tap. Hey hey hey...

The PPP did exactly that during their era and allegedly still do this in spheres under their control. And then there are Indo controlled businesses which are just as bad.

So no we dont have to imagine we already know when during the Jagdeo era young black professionals looking for jobs were told "Is not Burnham time now" and sent packing to the Caribbean to find work.

Baseman posted:

Volda is being sensational to grab the spotlight and attention of core loyalists.  She will moderate!

The fact that this is how she handles the frustration of the PNC base, who felt oppressed by the PPP, and then ignored by the APNU elites, doesn't speak well of her.

She and her colleagues are afraid of losing their jobs, and those who weren't corrupt face financial distress, as many did after 1992. Carl Greenidge had to leave Guyana to find work, and even then the PPP attempted to block him.

Mars posted:
ronan posted:
Mars posted:
ronan posted:
Mars posted:

And your point is?

you didn’t ignore, which would have left you better off

you tried to derail

that’s my point

Jackass, I couldn't care less about you and your stupid thread. It's a waste of time trying to decipher the nonsense you write here half of the time, anyway. I don't have the patience most times for people shaking their heads and stuttering. 

you can’t even sustain a proper line of ‘argument’ . . . all you have is cuss cuss and run

pity you

uh-huh and SMF and batty shaking are the hallmarks of your "argument". 

not really . . . they are creative punctuation

i sincerely doubt that that is too ‘high level’ for you . . . rite?

Mars posted:
 

Did you ever hear the Kaieteur News recording of Anil? Not pleasant as far as I can remember. Plus his threats of Crum-Ewing who just happened to end up dead. As far as hiring mattie goes, they didn't have to say it. They did it.

You are talking to people who will justify Hitler if that means that they can scream "ahbe pan tap".  Living safely in North America they dont face the consequences of this.

ronan posted:
a

 

she is PNC chair . . . she is not running for president

guilty of one thing DOES NOT make her guilty of EVERYTHING!

she is PERFECTLY IN ORDER with [her] comments addressed on THIS thread

She is NOT in order to say this unless its about positions within the PNC itself. Her role is to ensure that the PNC and its allies are re-elected to office and in a nation where Africans are only 32% of the voting age population, and when the PNC has never on its own, won more than 41% of the votes, she needs to be open.

She has given that monster Jagdeo the ability to pretend to be open minded as he uses black tokens, who then are tossed aside once he has achieved his goals.

caribny posted:
Baseman posted:

Volda is being sensational to grab the spotlight and attention of core loyalists.  She will moderate!

The fact that this is how she handles the frustration of the PNC base, who felt oppressed by the PPP, and then ignored by the APNU elites, doesn't speak well of her.

She and her colleagues are afraid of losing their jobs, and those who weren't corrupt face financial distress, as many did after 1992. Carl Greenidge had to leave Guyana to find work, and even then the PPP attempted to block him.

There is something missing in the whole bunch.  I believe Granger has not been an assertive strong leader so they seem adrift!  They missing a credo!

ronan posted:
Mars posted:

uh-huh and SMF and batty shaking are the hallmarks of your "argument". 

not really . . . they are creative punctuation

i sincerely doubt that that is too ‘high level’ for you . . . rite?

That's mostly all you say in every post so how can that be high level? It might be high level for you, given your level of intelligence or should I say your lack thereof?

Mars posted:
ronan posted:
Mars posted:

uh-huh and SMF and batty shaking are the hallmarks of your "argument". 

not really . . . they are creative punctuation

i sincerely doubt that that is too ‘high level’ for you . . . rite?

That's mostly all you say in every post so how can that be high level? It might be high level for you, given your level of intelligence or should I say your lack thereof?

you do know what “punctuation” means  . . . rite?

ronan posted:
 

 

and, since we are HERE . . . are you willing to acknowledge that Volda Lawrence has been FALSELY accused of “racist” comments as indicated in my lead post here?

Let me make it easy for you. As far as most Guyanese are concerned PNC is code for black and PPP is code for Indians.  You mightn't think this but this is how it is and we have seen this behavior manifested by both sides when they want revenge.

What Volda says she would do the PPP actually did.  It was wrong when they did it and it is wrong for Volda to say this.

As of now the PPP is more likely to win the election.  Their loss was narrow and its clear that the PNC base will not turn out in the record numbers that it did in GT, Linden and Bartica.

So if the PPP does win they can continue to practice their exclusion, and then quote Volda when they are accused of this.  Given that blacks are numerically outnumbered and economically dominated they can ill afford to encourage this nonsense.  They cannot protest against exclusion and then threaten (even in an emotional rant) to exclude.  

caribny posted:
ronan posted:
a

 

she is PNC chair . . . she is not running for president

guilty of one thing DOES NOT make her guilty of EVERYTHING!

she is PERFECTLY IN ORDER with [her] comments addressed on THIS thread

She is NOT in order to say this unless its about positions within the PNC itself. Her role is to ensure that the PNC and its allies are re-elected to office and in a nation where Africans are only 32% of the voting age population, and when the PNC has never on its own, won more than 41% of the votes, she needs to be open.

She has given that monster Jagdeo the ability to pretend to be open minded as he uses black tokens, who then are tossed aside once he has achieved his goals.

I agree with some of what you said.  But why you refer to BJ as a monster?  The Black People of Guyana seems cordial with him. He surely cannot be that bad and still walk among them so freely!

Baseman posted:
 

There is something missing in the whole bunch.  I believe Granger has not been an assertive strong leader so they seem adrift!  They missing a credo!

It is quite clear that the PNC lacks intelligence or cunning.  They fall into every trap that the PPP sets, and even some that the PPP doesn't.

Now they handed Jagdeo a gift. He will take pictures with blacks and howl that this shows that he loves blacks. He will avoid any discussion of why he was accused of being anti black during his era, and why he was unable to prove that he wasn't.

caribny posted:
ronan posted:
a

 

she is PNC chair . . . she is not running for president

guilty of one thing DOES NOT make her guilty of EVERYTHING!

she is PERFECTLY IN ORDER with [her] comments addressed on THIS thread

She is NOT in order to say this unless its about positions within the PNC itself. Her role is to ensure that the PNC and its allies are re-elected to office and in a nation where Africans are only 32% of the voting age population, and when the PNC has never on its own, won more than 41% of the votes, she needs to be open.

you seem confused

the highlighted is making MY point

Baseman posted:
caribny posted:
ronan posted:
a

 

 

I agree with some of what you said.  But why you refer to BJ as a monster?  The Black People of Guyana seems cordial with him. He surely cannot be that bad and still walk among them so freely!

Any man who thinks that he can use para militia gangs, hang out with drug terrorists like Roger Khan and refuse to engage in any dialogue on the issue of ethnic insecurity, when he is accused of fostering this is a monster.

And when blacks were cheering and yelling "finally the slow holocaust is over", this when the PPP lost. That doesn't look like they are OK with Jagdeo.

Do you think that Indians were OK with Burnham when they garlanded him with flowers and welcomed him to Hindu temples?

ronan posted:
Mars posted:
ronan posted:
Mars posted:

uh-huh and SMF and batty shaking are the hallmarks of your "argument". 

not really . . . they are creative punctuation

i sincerely doubt that that is too ‘high level’ for you . . . rite?

That's mostly all you say in every post so how can that be high level? It might be high level for you, given your level of intelligence or should I say your lack thereof?

you do know what “punctuation” means  . . . rite?

Nah, You alone know. 

Dude, I write clear and concise English that anyone can understand. I can't say the same for you. 

ronan posted:
caribny posted:
ronan posted:
a

 

she is PNC chair . . . she is not running for president

guilty of one thing DOES NOT make her guilty of EVERYTHING!

she is PERFECTLY IN ORDER with [her] comments addressed on THIS thread

She is NOT in order to say this unless its about positions within the PNC itself. Her role is to ensure that the PNC and its allies are re-elected to office and in a nation where Africans are only 32% of the voting age population, and when the PNC has never on its own, won more than 41% of the votes, she needs to be open.

you seem confused

the highlighted is making MY point

How exactly can she win an election  when the PNC peaks at 41% and its now clear that the AFC cannot bring in the remaining 10%?

What in her remarks guarantees that the PNC can increase its votes to at least 47%, given that the AFC seems unable to muster its 2006 and 2011 votes?

Please answer without your usual attacks like calling people confused or meandering.

caribny posted:
ronan posted:
caribny posted:
ronan posted:
a

 

she is PNC chair . . . she is not running for president

guilty of one thing DOES NOT make her guilty of EVERYTHING!

she is PERFECTLY IN ORDER with [her] comments addressed on THIS thread

She is NOT in order to say this unless its about positions within the PNC itself. Her role is to ensure that the PNC and its allies are re-elected to office and in a nation where Africans are only 32% of the voting age population, and when the PNC has never on its own, won more than 41% of the votes, she needs to be open.

you seem confused

the highlighted is making MY point

How exactly can she win an election  when the PNC peaks at 41% and its now clear that the AFC cannot bring in the remaining 10%?

What in her remarks guarantees that the PNC can increase its votes to at least 47%, given that the AFC seems unable to muster its 2006 and 2011 votes?

Please answer without your usual attacks like calling people confused or meandering.

I was on the phone with an AFC top brass earlier today.  They have some plans to rubber band the coalition together and keep power in 2020.  I don’t know if it will work, let’s see!

caribny posted:
VishMahabir posted:
 

 

 

"people who look like us and people who look like Bharat" 

I would suggest you take a step back, pretend you are Jagdeo or a PPP supporter, and try and analyze Volda's statement from the perspective of an Indo...

My question to you will be how many Indians take the time to understand how blacks felt under the PPP.  And this is important because many aren't going to tolerate a return of that era.

Jagdeo is a card carrying black hating racist and he failed in attempting to intimidate Freddie K who called him exactly that.

2020 comes and it isnt just blacks or the PNC which ought to be held t account. Even Gilbakka, a moderate and fair man (or at least I think that he is) seems to believe that all the PPP needs to do is to preach their gospel to black/mixed voters.  Indians just refuse to understand that it is not only they who feel the sting of ethnic insecurity.

Many times I explained to you but you play hard ears. It's simple, PPP gave milk tea while PNC gave black tea.

Baseman posted:
 

I was on the phone with an AFC top brass earlier today.  They have some plans to rubber band the coalition together and keep power in 2020.  I don’t know if it will work, let’s see!

Dude, you want some folks to get heart attack?

caribny posted:
ronan posted:
caribny posted:
ronan posted:
a

 

she is PNC chair . . . she is not running for president

guilty of one thing DOES NOT make her guilty of EVERYTHING!

she is PERFECTLY IN ORDER with [her] comments addressed on THIS thread

She is NOT in order to say this unless its about positions within the PNC itself. Her role is to ensure that the PNC and its allies are re-elected to office and in a nation where Africans are only 32% of the voting age population, and when the PNC has never on its own, won more than 41% of the votes, she needs to be open.

you seem confused

the highlighted is making MY point

How exactly can she win an election  when the PNC peaks at 41% and its now clear that the AFC cannot bring in the remaining 10%?

What in her remarks guarantees that the PNC can increase its votes to at least 47%, given that the AFC seems unable to muster its 2006 and 2011 votes?

Please answer without your usual attacks like calling people confused or meandering.

i actually see merit in most of your ponderings above

not sure what those have to do with my issue

Leonora posted:
Baseman posted:
 

I was on the phone with an AFC top brass earlier today.  They have some plans to rubber band the coalition together and keep power in 2020.  I don’t know if it will work, let’s see!

Dude, you want some folks to get heart attack?

..he's on the phone with AFC top brass, feeding Granger bake and solfish in he basement, and will be representing fat man Irfart, and "bookworm" nanda man in court. He is a man of all parties fuh all seasons. lol.

And he doin' all dis while figurin' out people taxes.

caribny posted:
Baseman posted:
caribny posted:
ronan posted:
a

 

 

I agree with some of what you said.  But why you refer to BJ as a monster?  The Black People of Guyana seems cordial with him. He surely cannot be that bad and still walk among them so freely!

Any man who thinks that he can use para militia gangs, hang out with drug terrorists like Roger Khan and refuse to engage in any dialogue on the issue of ethnic insecurity, when he is accused of fostering this is a monster.

And when blacks were cheering and yelling "finally the slow holocaust is over", this when the PPP lost. That doesn't look like they are OK with Jagdeo.

Do you think that Indians were OK with Burnham when they garlanded him with flowers and welcomed him to Hindu temples?

You have PNC Indos, they are called "Dutty Indos"

ronan posted:
 

i actually see merit in most of your ponderings above

not sure what those have to do with my issue

Then I dont know what your issue is. My issue is that I dont want Jagdeo back in office in any capacity.  He is a demon and will feel validated if he wins. The next PPP presidential candidate will be even more of a Jagdeo stooge than Ramotar was.  Jagdeo is intent in rubbing his greedy little hands to soak up the "oil money" and he wants to ensure that he and his cronies benefit.

I dont care for the Coalition and I am highly critical of them, but I want them to win again as they are less entrenched than a victorious PPP will be. Hopefully once they return to sanity, having licked the blood of humiliation given that the lowest turnout was in PNC strongholds, they will embark on a sensible strategy that attends to the frustrations of their core base without alienating swing voters.

Victory in Guyana comes to those who can get out their base. But also those who can woo the swing vote.  The Coalition did so last time as people hoped that the corrupt excesses and vulgarity of the PPP would be less of an issue.  But Harmon's corruption (he isnt the only one either), now compounded by Volda's emotional rant, now will give many pause.

We will see if the Coalition is serious if they have a major cabinet reconfiguration. They should dump the many dead weights from both APNU and the AFC.  They should engage younger creative and innovative people in decision making.  They need to engage the youth who will be more important, given that Guyanese are very young.

And they need to develop and promote a strategy that ensures that the average Guyanese benefits from the expected economic boom once oil revenues arrive sometime after 2020.

But I dont see these ageing band of soldiers doing this, nor do I see the AFC ambulance chasers.  

Iguana posted:
Leonora posted:
Baseman posted:
 

I was on the phone with an AFC top brass earlier today.  They have some plans to rubber band the coalition together and keep power in 2020.  I don’t know if it will work, let’s see!

Dude, you want some folks to get heart attack?

..he's on the phone with AFC top brass, feeding Granger bake and solfish in he basement, and will be representing fat man Irfart, and "bookworm" nanda man in court. He is a man of all parties fuh all seasons. lol.

And he doin' all dis while figurin' out people taxes.

And me izz doing lil option trading; naked Puts, Calls,  strangle, straddle...this IPhone izz wunderbar!

Izz not tax season, suh mi geh lil free time pon me haan!  Mi done mi CPEs and all.

Mi done wid mi charity fund raising fuh Nov since last week.  Next week is December push.

HE Granger off the grid right now.  Da man can’t eat no bake and solfish no moo!

And mi fugget, November Close coming fast and network down!

Ray posted:

DO you do a lot of write ups?

I stick right now to purchase naked Puts/Calls, focus on MSFT as the IV is not outrageous, it’s efficient and great volume.  

Cashed out today, done till next week.  G20!

Will get back into the Premium game next year.

caribny posted:
VishMahabir posted:
 

 

 

"people who look like us and people who look like Bharat" 

I would suggest you take a step back, pretend you are Jagdeo or a PPP supporter, and try and analyze Volda's statement from the perspective of an Indo...

My question to you will be how many Indians take the time to understand how blacks felt under the PPP.  And this is important because many aren't going to tolerate a return of that era.

Jagdeo is a card carrying black hating racist and he failed in attempting to intimidate Freddie K who called him exactly that.

2020 comes and it isnt just blacks or the PNC which ought to be held t account. Even Gilbakka, a moderate and fair man (or at least I think that he is) seems to believe that all the PPP needs to do is to preach their gospel to black/mixed voters.  Indians just refuse to understand that it is not only they who feel the sting of ethnic insecurity.

"...how many Indians take the time to understand how blacks felt under the PPP"

Not many...

...but this is the crux of the problem, with Guyana being a divided ethnic society where a win for one group is a loss for the other...racial politics leads to zero-sum politics. The answer is "not many" because Indians see Jagdeo as a "demi-God" in the same way that Afros would consider Granger. The sword cuts both ways...you cant simply blame one group and not the other (before the 23, there was 28).

An Indo can raise the same question about a number of issues also...such as why are so many Indos fired from govt positions, why is the govt so callous towards the sugar workers...yes, I get it...Afros can make the same points about disrespect, discrimination, etc towards Afros under the PPP...its an endless vicious circle of racial distrust ...with no end in sight.

Guyana lost the chance to bridge the racial gap when Dr. Rodney was assassinated.

However....I have made this point before....this problem can only be addressed by the political elites who have to set the norm, change the culture and focus on the politics of accommodation... 

Instead, politicians perpetuate the problem and the rank and file gets fed the same bile.

This is why I think Ronan misses the Big Picture about Volda's rhetoric...which if not tempered will evoke and perpetuate a similar reaction. Sopporters take their cue from their leaders.

"..And this is important because many aren't going to tolerate


a return of that era"

Two points about this statement:

1) I believe you are right about this (because Indos do not understand the extent to which the last PPP admin is despised...Luncheon statement, Crum Ewing, 400 Afros killed, Waddell and such).  This is why I have argued that there is no guarantee that the next election will be free and fair (fear of PPP, experience with rigging, the LGE being a wake up call, etc).

2) However, here is where I have a problem with the argument you are making. By condemning Jagdeo and the PPP you are not leaving any hope for redemption of the PPP. Jagdeo cannot run, and there is not guarantee that his successor will be a rubber stamp. It is probably healthy to have a one term govt, and one can only hope that the PPP, should they win in 2020, would be cautioned about the wanton corruption of its past ways....especially if the coalition can get a few convictions.

caribny posted:
ronan posted:
 

the woman is telling the Afro party faithful that the PNC needs to recruit Indians, i.e., "people who look like Bharat" to win back the lost LDCs

your consternation/horror at that which should be celebrated is indeed "quite telling"!

smfh

And after she told the crowd that she is only going to hire PNC people how will she accomplish this?

Her speech certainly didn't speak to inclusion at any level.  Yes she and the rest of them are now in panic with the sudden realization that they will be sent back outside when the PPP wins in 2020.  So now all types of intemperate chatter.

The question she should have been asking is why is it that the crowds were almost exclusively black, because it is blatantly obvious that the black vote alone (even with black identified mixed people included) cannot win any election in Guyana.

It is a given in Guyana that politicians play to the crowd...they do not have the finesse and intellectual capability to rise above the fray..Ronan, you are beating a dead horse...Volda was crude in her rhetoric...but that is no excuse.

Let her address an Indo audience and let us see how well she does this...I have an open mind, but I think her words here leaves much to be desired...you cant simply write this off as her being in campaign and speaking to her supporters...

Baseman posted:
caribny posted:
Baseman posted:

Volda is being sensational to grab the spotlight and attention of core loyalists.  She will moderate!

The fact that this is how she handles the frustration of the PNC base, who felt oppressed by the PPP, and then ignored by the APNU elites, doesn't speak well of her.

She and her colleagues are afraid of losing their jobs, and those who weren't corrupt face financial distress, as many did after 1992. Carl Greenidge had to leave Guyana to find work, and even then the PPP attempted to block him.

There is something missing in the whole bunch.  I believe Granger has not been an assertive strong leader so they seem adrift!  They missing a credo!

Unfortunately...I dont believe Granger (and I think Granger believes this too) can control his PNC flank...even more so as he might be perceived as moving in a "lame duck" mode. If there is indeed in-fighting, it will continue...but the natives, on both sides, will circle the wagon as election draws closer.

 

VishMahabir posted:
Baseman posted:
caribny posted:
Baseman posted:

Volda is being sensational to grab the spotlight and attention of core loyalists.  She will moderate!

The fact that this is how she handles the frustration of the PNC base, who felt oppressed by the PPP, and then ignored by the APNU elites, doesn't speak well of her.

She and her colleagues are afraid of losing their jobs, and those who weren't corrupt face financial distress, as many did after 1992. Carl Greenidge had to leave Guyana to find work, and even then the PPP attempted to block him.

There is something missing in the whole bunch.  I believe Granger has not been an assertive strong leader so they seem adrift!  They missing a credo!

Unfortunately...I dont believe Granger (and I think Granger believes this too) can control his PNC flank...even more so as he might be perceived as moving in a "lame duck" mode. If there is indeed in-fighting, it will continue...but the natives, on both sides, will circle the wagon as election draws closer.

 

You would be surprised where/who Granger and the moderates are now leaning on to fend off PNC hard line loyalists!

caribny posted:
ronan posted:
 

 

and, since we are HERE . . . are you willing to acknowledge that Volda Lawrence has been FALSELY accused of “racist” comments as indicated in my lead post here?

Let me make it easy for you. As far as most Guyanese are concerned PNC is code for black and PPP is code for Indians.  You mightn't think this but this is how it is and we have seen this behavior manifested by both sides when they want revenge.

What Volda says she would do the PPP actually did.  It was wrong when they did it and it is wrong for Volda to say this.

As of now the PPP is more likely to win the election.  Their loss was narrow and its clear that the PNC base will not turn out in the record numbers that it did in GT, Linden and Bartica.

So if the PPP does win they can continue to practice their exclusion, and then quote Volda when they are accused of this.  Given that blacks are numerically outnumbered and economically dominated they can ill afford to encourage this nonsense.  They cannot protest against exclusion and then threaten (even in an emotional rant) to exclude.  

I think Ronan is smart enough to understand this point...he needs to step out of his PNC box. 

"Given that blacks are numerically outnumbered and economically dominated they can ill afford to encourage this nonsense."

This may be true but Afros are not totally helpless, as you seem to point out here. To say that Indos dominate the economy is a fallacy...a few Indos are filthy rich...but the majority of them (like Blacks and Amerindians) are poor...I have seen this fallacy being peddled and it has been a colonial construct which is being used to inflame passions. 

This myth has been peddled and remains unchallenged. In addition, an argument can be made that Afros control real power in the police, army, government, etc, but somehow this argument has not been advances. In addition, Afros can exercise power in the sheer fact that they can resort to protest...as they have effectively done in the past...

caribny posted:
ronan posted:
 

i actually see merit in most of your ponderings above

not sure what those have to do with my issue

The next PPP presidential candidate will be even more of a Jagdeo stooge than Ramotar was.  Jagdeo is intent in rubbing his greedy little hands to soak up the "oil money" and he wants to ensure that he and his cronies benefit.

eir base. But also those who can woo the swing vote.  The Coalition did so last time as people hoped that the corrupt excesses and vulgarity of the PPP would be less of an issue.  But Harmon's corruption (he isnt the only one either), now compounded by Volda's emotional rant, now will give many pause.

We will see if the Coalition is serious if they have a major cabinet reconfiguration. They should dump the many dead weights from both APNU and the AFC.  They should engage younger creative and innovative people in decision making.  They need to engage the youth who will be more important, given that Guyanese are very young.

And they need to develop and promote a strategy that ensures that the average Guyanese benefits from the expected economic boom once oil revenues arrive sometime after 2020.

But I dont see these ageing band of soldiers doing this, nor do I see the AFC ambulance chasers.  

 

caribny posted:
ronan posted:
 

 

and, since we are HERE . . . are you willing to acknowledge that Volda Lawrence has been FALSELY accused of “racist” comments as indicated in my lead post here?

Let me make it easy for you. As far as most Guyanese are concerned PNC is code for black and PPP is code for Indians.  You mightn't think this but this is how it is and we have seen this behavior manifested by both sides when they want revenge.

What Volda says she would do the PPP actually did.  It was wrong when they did it and it is wrong for Volda to say this.

As of now the PPP is more likely to win the election.  Their loss was narrow and its clear that the PNC base will not turn out in the record numbers that it did in GT, Linden and Bartica.

So if the PPP does win they can continue to practice their exclusion, and then quote Volda when they are accused of this.  Given that blacks are numerically outnumbered and economically dominated they can ill afford to encourage this nonsense.  They cannot protest against exclusion and then threaten (even in an emotional rant) to exclude.  

I think Ronan is smart enough to understand this point...he needs to step out of his PNC box. 

"Given that blacks are numerically outnumbered and economically dominated they can ill afford to encourage this nonsense."

This may be true but Afros are not totally helpless, as you seem to point out here. To say that Indos dominate the economy is a fallacy...a few Indos are filthy rich...but the majority of them (like Blacks and Amerindians) are poor...I have seen this fallacy being peddled and it has been a colonial construct which is being used to inflame passions. 

This myth has been peddled and remains unchallenged. In addition, an argument can be made that Afros control real power in the police, army, government, etc, but somehow this argument has not been advances. In addition, Afros can exercise power in the sheer fact that they can resort to protest...as they have effectively done in the past...

Iguana posted:
Baseman posted:

You would be surprised where/who Granger and the moderates are now leaning on to fend off PNC hard line loyalists!

Who? You and yuh uncles? Or did they give Irfart a plate of beef curry to help out?

Bai, me uncles left Guyana, done, all wash and tun down, clock struck 12!

I really cannot be more specific!

@Carib

The next PPP presidential candidate will be even more of a Jagdeo stooge than Ramotar was.  Jagdeo is intent in rubbing his greedy little hands to soak up the "oil money" and he wants to ensure that he and his cronies benefit.

Though not a fan of Jagdeo...The potential for this may exist, but I think this is too much of a sweeping generalization...there are too many extant factors involved here for us to make such a statement...who will the candidate be, there is the question of institutional memory, a PPP candidate may be willing, once in power, to demolish the perception of Jagdeo pulling the strings, etc.

 

"he wants to ensure that he and his cronies benefit."

You are assuming that it will be easy for a new government to continue to do this...even after everyone's antenna will be up and people will be watching...my feeling is that government officials are going to be very careful in the future...

VishMahabir posted:
caribny posted:
ronan posted:
 

 

and, since we are HERE . . . are you willing to acknowledge that Volda Lawrence has been FALSELY accused of “racist” comments as indicated in my lead post here?

Let me make it easy for you. As far as most Guyanese are concerned PNC is code for black and PPP is code for Indians.  You mightn't think this but this is how it is and we have seen this behavior manifested by both sides when they want revenge.

What Volda says she would do the PPP actually did.  It was wrong when they did it and it is wrong for Volda to say this.

As of now the PPP is more likely to win the election.  Their loss was narrow and its clear that the PNC base will not turn out in the record numbers that it did in GT, Linden and Bartica.

So if the PPP does win they can continue to practice their exclusion, and then quote Volda when they are accused of this.  Given that blacks are numerically outnumbered and economically dominated they can ill afford to encourage this nonsense.  They cannot protest against exclusion and then threaten (even in an emotional rant) to exclude.  

I think Ronan is smart enough to understand this point...he needs to step out of his PNC box. 

"Given that blacks are numerically outnumbered and economically dominated they can ill afford to encourage this nonsense."

This may be true but Afros are not totally helpless, as you seem to point out here. To say that Indos dominate the economy is a fallacy...a few Indos are filthy rich...but the majority of them (like Blacks and Amerindians) are poor...I have seen this fallacy being peddled and it has been a colonial construct which is being used to inflame passions. 

This myth has been peddled and remains unchallenged. In addition, an argument can be made that Afros control real power in the police, army, government, etc, but somehow this argument has not been advances. In addition, Afros can exercise power in the sheer fact that they can resort to protest...as they have effectively done in the past...

The Govt needs to ensure Blacks are adequately employed.  With oil wealth and the threat from the Conquistadors, expansion of the military is in order!  That could absorb an additional 2/3 thousand.

Yes, Blacks are not helpless however, they should not be expected to leverage their advantage in some areas to get a better deal.  They should be fairly compensated for their contribution to the nation as a whole.

The Govt should also look into promoting and supporting businesses that employ Blacks.  Eg, Guyana should try to reclaim it's status as the center for Caricom ship building and other types of fabrication.

The PNC plans for the road network is a crucial step in moving Guyana forward and making it more productive and efficient!

Baseman posted:
VishMahabir posted:
caribny posted:
ronan posted:
 

 

and, since we are HERE . . . are you willing to acknowledge that Volda Lawrence has been FALSELY accused of “racist” comments as indicated in my lead post here?

Let me make it easy for you. As far as most Guyanese are concerned PNC is code for black and PPP is code for Indians.  You mightn't think this but this is how it is and we have seen this behavior manifested by both sides when they want revenge.

What Volda says she would do the PPP actually did.  It was wrong when they did it and it is wrong for Volda to say this.

As of now the PPP is more likely to win the election.  Their loss was narrow and its clear that the PNC base will not turn out in the record numbers that it did in GT, Linden and Bartica.

So if the PPP does win they can continue to practice their exclusion, and then quote Volda when they are accused of this.  Given that blacks are numerically outnumbered and economically dominated they can ill afford to encourage this nonsense.  They cannot protest against exclusion and then threaten (even in an emotional rant) to exclude.  

I think Ronan is smart enough to understand this point...he needs to step out of his PNC box. 

"Given that blacks are numerically outnumbered and economically dominated they can ill afford to encourage this nonsense."

This may be true but Afros are not totally helpless, as you seem to point out here. To say that Indos dominate the economy is a fallacy...a few Indos are filthy rich...but the majority of them (like Blacks and Amerindians) are poor...I have seen this fallacy being peddled and it has been a colonial construct which is being used to inflame passions. 

This myth has been peddled and remains unchallenged. In addition, an argument can be made that Afros control real power in the police, army, government, etc, but somehow this argument has not been advances. In addition, Afros can exercise power in the sheer fact that they can resort to protest...as they have effectively done in the past...

The Govt needs to ensure Blacks are adequately employed.  With oil wealth and the threat from the Conquistadors, expansion of the military is in order!  That could absorb an additional 2/3 thousand.

Yes, Blacks are not helpless however, they should not be expected to leverage their advantage in some areas to get a better deal.  They should be fairly compensated for their contribution to the nation as a whole.

The Govt should also look into promoting and supporting businesses that employ Blacks.  Eg, Guyana should try to reclaim it's status as the center for Caricom ship building and other types of fabrication.

The PNC plans for the road network is a crucial step in moving Guyana forward and making it more productive and efficient!

No disagreement here.

I would simply add that regardless of which government is in power, ALL Guyanese are treated fairly. All institutions should strive to promote "diversity and equity"....that includes govt institutions, army, police, govt contracts, businesses, hiring, etc. 

VishMahabir posted:
caribny posted:
ronan posted: 

and, since we are HERE . . . are you willing to acknowledge that Volda Lawrence has been FALSELY accused of “racist” comments as indicated in my lead post here?

Let me make it easy for you. As far as most Guyanese are concerned PNC is code for black and PPP is code for Indians.  You mightn't think this but this is how it is and we have seen this behavior manifested by both sides when they want revenge.

What Volda says she would do the PPP actually did.  It was wrong when they did it and it is wrong for Volda to say this.

As of now the PPP is more likely to win the election.  Their loss was narrow and its clear that the PNC base will not turn out in the record numbers that it did in GT, Linden and Bartica.

So if the PPP does win they can continue to practice their exclusion, and then quote Volda when they are accused of this.  Given that blacks are numerically outnumbered and economically dominated they can ill afford to encourage this nonsense.  They cannot protest against exclusion and then threaten (even in an emotional rant) to exclude.  

I think Ronan is smart enough to understand this point...he needs to step out of his PNC box. 

both of y'all 'argue' like self-esteem challenged teenage girls

you can't 'win' on the subject matter so you create a whole new conversation to dominate (smart people call it strawman), expound weightily and at boring length on all kinds of THINGS NOT IN DISPUTE while tenaciously beating a path AROUND and AROUND the thing(s) you are afraid to look in the eye

the wear-you-down guerrilla warfare of clowns

ronan posted:
VishMahabir posted:
caribny posted:
ronan posted: 

and, since we are HERE . . . are you willing to acknowledge that Volda Lawrence has been FALSELY accused of “racist” comments as indicated in my lead post here?

Let me make it easy for you. As far as most Guyanese are concerned PNC is code for black and PPP is code for Indians.  You mightn't think this but this is how it is and we have seen this behavior manifested by both sides when they want revenge.

What Volda says she would do the PPP actually did.  It was wrong when they did it and it is wrong for Volda to say this.

As of now the PPP is more likely to win the election.  Their loss was narrow and its clear that the PNC base will not turn out in the record numbers that it did in GT, Linden and Bartica.

So if the PPP does win they can continue to practice their exclusion, and then quote Volda when they are accused of this.  Given that blacks are numerically outnumbered and economically dominated they can ill afford to encourage this nonsense.  They cannot protest against exclusion and then threaten (even in an emotional rant) to exclude.  

I think Ronan is smart enough to understand this point...he needs to step out of his PNC box. 

both of y'all 'argue' like self-esteem challenged teenage girls

you can't 'win' on the subject matter so you create a whole new conversation to dominate (smart people call it strawman), expound weightily and at boring length on all kinds of THINGS NOT IN DISPUTE while tenaciously beating a path AROUND and AROUND the thing(s) you are afraid to look in the eye

guerrilla warfare of clowns

Finally, more than 25 contiguous words out of Ronan!

ronan posted:
VishMahabir posted:
caribny posted:
ronan posted: 

and, since we are HERE . . . are you willing to acknowledge that Volda Lawrence has been FALSELY accused of “racist” comments as indicated in my lead post here?

Let me make it easy for you. As far as most Guyanese are concerned PNC is code for black and PPP is code for Indians.  You mightn't think this but this is how it is and we have seen this behavior manifested by both sides when they want revenge.

What Volda says she would do the PPP actually did.  It was wrong when they did it and it is wrong for Volda to say this.

As of now the PPP is more likely to win the election.  Their loss was narrow and its clear that the PNC base will not turn out in the record numbers that it did in GT, Linden and Bartica.

So if the PPP does win they can continue to practice their exclusion, and then quote Volda when they are accused of this.  Given that blacks are numerically outnumbered and economically dominated they can ill afford to encourage this nonsense.  They cannot protest against exclusion and then threaten (even in an emotional rant) to exclude.  

I think Ronan is smart enough to understand this point...he needs to step out of his PNC box. 

both of y'all 'argue' like self-esteem challenged teenage girls

you can't 'win' on the subject matter so you create a whole new conversation to dominate (smart people call it strawman), expound weightily and at boring length on all kinds of THINGS NOT IN DISPUTE while tenaciously beating a path AROUND and AROUND the thing(s) you are afraid to look in the eye

the wear-you-down guerrilla warfare of clowns

“Wear-you-down guerrilla warfare of clowns”?...who creating a straw man now?

I am looking at the BigPicture...everyone here speaking from a tribal perspective...not from a Guyanese perspective...you operating from the same perspective.

Your “Lady in Shining Armor”, shows no indication of representing a break from the past...she is too rough around the edges....no knight in shining armor, no charisma, no national vision for a future Guyana...de same ole “we” and “dem odda people”...

VishMahabir posted:
ronan posted:
VishMahabir posted:
caribny posted:
ronan posted: 

and, since we are HERE . . . are you willing to acknowledge that Volda Lawrence has been FALSELY accused of “racist” comments as indicated in my lead post here?

Let me make it easy for you. As far as most Guyanese are concerned PNC is code for black and PPP is code for Indians.  You mightn't think this but this is how it is and we have seen this behavior manifested by both sides when they want revenge.

What Volda says she would do the PPP actually did.  It was wrong when they did it and it is wrong for Volda to say this.

As of now the PPP is more likely to win the election.  Their loss was narrow and its clear that the PNC base will not turn out in the record numbers that it did in GT, Linden and Bartica.

So if the PPP does win they can continue to practice their exclusion, and then quote Volda when they are accused of this.  Given that blacks are numerically outnumbered and economically dominated they can ill afford to encourage this nonsense.  They cannot protest against exclusion and then threaten (even in an emotional rant) to exclude.  

I think Ronan is smart enough to understand this point...he needs to step out of his PNC box. 

both of y'all 'argue' like self-esteem challenged teenage girls

you can't 'win' on the subject matter so you create a whole new conversation to dominate (smart people call it strawman), expound weightily and at boring length on all kinds of THINGS NOT IN DISPUTE while tenaciously beating a path AROUND and AROUND the thing(s) you are afraid to look in the eye

the wear-you-down guerrilla warfare of clowns

“Wear-you-down guerrilla warfare of clowns”?...who creating a straw man now?

I am looking at the BigPicture...everyone here speaking from a tribal perspective...not from a Guyanese perspective...you operating from the same perspective.

Your “Lady in Shining Armor”, shows no indication of representing a break from the past...she is too rough around the edges....no knight in shining armor, no charisma, no national vision for a future Guyana...de same ole “we” and “dem odda people”...

your lameass screed is Exhibit A of the pitiful "wear-you-down guerrilla warfare of clowns"

non sequitur piled upon non sequitur . . . sophomoric bromides dressed up in important-sounding clothes  

you seem to not even know what a "straw man" is

ronan posted:
VishMahabir posted:
ronan posted:
VishMahabir posted:
caribny posted:
ronan posted: 

and, since we are HERE . . . are you willing to acknowledge that Volda Lawrence has been FALSELY accused of “racist” comments as indicated in my lead post here?

Let me make it easy for you. As far as most Guyanese are concerned PNC is code for black and PPP is code for Indians.  You mightn't think this but this is how it is and we have seen this behavior manifested by both sides when they want revenge.

What Volda says she would do the PPP actually did.  It was wrong when they did it and it is wrong for Volda to say this.

As of now the PPP is more likely to win the election.  Their loss was narrow and its clear that the PNC base will not turn out in the record numbers that it did in GT, Linden and Bartica.

So if the PPP does win they can continue to practice their exclusion, and then quote Volda when they are accused of this.  Given that blacks are numerically outnumbered and economically dominated they can ill afford to encourage this nonsense.  They cannot protest against exclusion and then threaten (even in an emotional rant) to exclude.  

I think Ronan is smart enough to understand this point...he needs to step out of his PNC box. 

both of y'all 'argue' like self-esteem challenged teenage girls

you can't 'win' on the subject matter so you create a whole new conversation to dominate (smart people call it strawman), expound weightily and at boring length on all kinds of THINGS NOT IN DISPUTE while tenaciously beating a path AROUND and AROUND the thing(s) you are afraid to look in the eye

the wear-you-down guerrilla warfare of clowns

“Wear-you-down guerrilla warfare of clowns”?...who creating a straw man now?

I am looking at the BigPicture...everyone here speaking from a tribal perspective...not from a Guyanese perspective...you operating from the same perspective.

Your “Lady in Shining Armor”, shows no indication of representing a break from the past...she is too rough around the edges....no knight in shining armor, no charisma, no national vision for a future Guyana...de same ole “we” and “dem odda people”...

your lameass screed is Exhibit A of the pitiful "wear-you-down guerrilla warfare of clowns"

non sequitur piled upon non sequitur . . . sophomoric bromides dressed up in important-sounding clothes  

you seem to not even know what a "straw man" is

Damn!

Banna...I gon get back to you, after I consult with my Noah Webster dictionary...too many big words...and dem words dont sound like Guyanese creole...

But I know a Straw Man when ah see one....

 

Image result for straw man

caribny posted:
it isnt just blacks or the PNC which ought to be held t account. Even Gilbakka, a moderate and fair man (or at least I think that he is) seems to believe that all the PPP needs to do is to preach their gospel to black/mixed voters.  Indians just refuse to understand that it is not only they who feel the sting of ethnic insecurity.

Let Gilbakka articulate: the PPP must not neglect its own rural multitudes. It must, imperative must, send out its apostles to the townships too. And they must take the gospel of Saint Marx to those urban multitudes also.

According to St Marx, Indos must love Afros as themselves. According to the Saint, it is easier for a caiman to crawl through the eye of a jute-bag sooja-needle than for a rich man like BK to enter the promised land of milk, honey and plenty.

St Marx also says sick Indos and sick Afros need healing equally. They need schooling equally. They need roads and water supply equally. They need free electricity equally. They must honor their fathers and mothers so that they can live four scores and ten years. They must never forsake the prophets of yesteryear like Burnham and Jagan for their wisdom tooth sake.

This is the gospel PPP must preach across the land, on the highways and waterways and airwaves.

VishMahabir posted:
 

"...how many Indians take the time to understand how blacks felt under the PPP"

Not many...

...but this is the crux of the problem, with Guyana being a divided ethnic society where a win for one group is a loss for the other...racial politics leads to zero-sum politics. The answer is "not many" because Indians see Jagdeo as a "demi-God" in the same way that Afros would consider Granger. The sword cuts both ways...you cant simply blame one group and not the other (before the 23, there was 28).

An Indo can raise the same question about a number of issues also...such as why are so many Indos fired from govt positions, why is the govt so callous towards the sugar workers...yes, I get it...Afros can make the same points about disrespect, discrimination, etc towards Afros under the PPP...its an endless vicious circle of racial distrust ...with no end in sight.

Guyana lost the chance to bridge the racial gap when Dr. Rodney was assassinated.

However....I have made this point before....this problem can only be addressed by the political elites who have to set the norm, change the culture and focus on the politics of accommodation... 

Instead, politicians perpetuate the problem and the rank and file gets fed the same bile.

This is why I think Ronan misses the Big Picture about Volda's rhetoric...which if not tempered will evoke and perpetuate a similar reaction. Sopporters take their cue from their leaders.

"..And this is important because many aren't going to tolerate


a return of that era"

Two points about this statement:

1) I believe you are right about this (because Indos do not understand the extent to which the last PPP admin is despised...Luncheon statement, Crum Ewing, 400 Afros killed, Waddell and such).  This is why I have argued that there is no guarantee that the next election will be free and fair (fear of PPP, experience with rigging, the LGE being a wake up call, etc).

2) However, here is where I have a problem with the argument you are making. By condemning Jagdeo and the PPP you are not leaving any hope for redemption of the PPP. Jagdeo cannot run, and there is not guarantee that his successor will be a rubber stamp. It is probably healthy to have a one term govt, and one can only hope that the PPP, should they win in 2020, would be cautioned about the wanton corruption of its past ways....especially if the coalition can get a few convictions.

1.  Based on my FB page most posters are unhappy with Volda's remarks. These are mainly blacks as the Indians seem silent, waiting to see how blacks react.  I cannot recall similar reactions when Jagdeo and others made anti black comments. Like when Rohee's daughter made highly bigoted comments about blacks and Rohee defended her and her remarks were deleted from FB.   I recall excuses being made by Indians.

2. I have said many times that creole Guyanese (African, mixed and Portuguese) can see beyond ethnicity and perceive themselves as "Guyanese" more easily than Indians seem to be able to do.  So this is why when a black person engages in ethnically inflammatory behavior (intended or not) blacks will more readily condemn it.  It is just easier for them to SOMETIMES transcend their "blackness" and see themselves as "Guyanese".  Apparently Indians are less able to, even if they do wish to condemn inflammatory remarks by an Indo Guyanese leader.  It appears as if they fear censure from their own Indians, so remain silent.

3. Rest assured that there is no similarity in how Granger, or Volda are seen by grass roots blacks. Harmon is in fact hated by them.  Look at how the APNU has selected an Indian to run its stronghold, a place where maybe as many as 50% of their votes will have to come from in 2020.  They are willing and able to take this risk because they know that if this Indian, who will be mayor, shows objectivity his "Indianness" will not be held against him.  Can the PPP take the same chances in regions 3 or 6 where most of their votes come from?

And you are correct. Based on its track record I cannot see the PPP as anything other than an Indian dominated entity which has no respect for people of African descent.  The onus is on the PPP to prove me wrong.  I judge the PPP from their behavior since 1957.  Given my age the only image I have of that entity is one which is hostile to my very being as a human.  So don't tell me about 1953 to 1957 because I like 95% of the population wasn't born then.

To quote a Buxtonian who reacted to Jagdeo calling the entire village a "bunch of savages", the PPP "are a bunch of black haters".  This said at a forum in Brooklyn to senior PPP officials who encountered a very hostile crowd after Jagdeo had the phantoms slaughtering blacks, the good, bad and the innocent willy nilly.

Note that when this accusation was said NONE of these PPP officials were able to mount a defense of the PPP because they knew that blatant lies would further enrage an already angry crowd.

Gilbakka posted:
 

According to St Marx, Indos must love Afros as themselves.

Like how massas were told to "love their slaves, and the slaves their massas".

Sorry this is a stupid reaction.  Until the PPP deals with why Afros and mixed people hate and fear them they will NOT get their votes.   Picking black tokens and pictures with blacks by Jagdeo and Ramotar didn't work.

VishMahabir posted:
 

"Given that blacks are numerically outnumbered and economically dominated they can ill afford to encourage this nonsense."

This may be true but Afros are not totally helpless, as you seem to point out here. To say that Indos dominate the economy is a fallacy...a few Indos are filthy rich...but the majority of them (like Blacks and Amerindians) are poor...I have seen this fallacy being peddled and it has been a colonial construct which is being used to inflame passions. 

This myth has been peddled and remains unchallenged. In addition, an argument can be made that Afros control real power in the police, army, government, etc, but somehow this argument has not been advances. In addition, Afros can exercise power in the sheer fact that they can resort to protest...as they have effectively done in the past...

Here are truths.

1.  At least 30% of the voters self identify as "black" and at least 40% as "Indian".  This means that APNU has to win another 20% whereas the PPP needs to win at least 10%.  Clearly the PPP has a built in advantage.

2. While most Indians in Guyana aren't rich most rich people in Guyana are Indians so the PPP also enjoys an advantage in funding its election campaign.

So clearly APNU and its coalition partners need to run a shrewder and more cunning game than does the PPP.  As is the PPP has only lost won election and in fact has obtained the majority of the votes in all but 3 of them.  I don't include the elections of the Burnham era as clearly these were rigged.

It is also a fact that the PNC has never on its own won a free and fair election.

VishMahabir posted:

 

"he wants to ensure that he and his cronies benefit."

You are assuming that it will be easy for a new government to continue to do this...even after everyone's antenna will be up and people will be watching...my feeling is that government officials are going to be very careful in the future...

Exxon and other multinationals care little about the fate of the poor nations that they do business with. In fact the love the greedily corrupt as these challenge them less.

Guyana is a corrupt nation and it doesn't appear as if elections change this fact.  So as of now both tribal elites are greedily rubbing their hands in anticipation. Jagdeo's problem is that he has to win an election to do so and fears that Exxon might prefer the devil who they already are dealing with (Coalition) than one who they aren't (PPP), and who knows what resources they might ingest into the election to get their desired outcome.

I have yet to see an empowered Jagdeo conceding to anyone. So yes the PPP candidate will be his stooge. We just have to see who this stooge will be.

caribny posted:
VishMahabir posted:
 

"Given that blacks are numerically outnumbered and economically dominated they can ill afford to encourage this nonsense."

This may be true but Afros are not totally helpless, as you seem to point out here. To say that Indos dominate the economy is a fallacy...a few Indos are filthy rich...but the majority of them (like Blacks and Amerindians) are poor...I have seen this fallacy being peddled and it has been a colonial construct which is being used to inflame passions. 

This myth has been peddled and remains unchallenged. In addition, an argument can be made that Afros control real power in the police, army, government, etc, but somehow this argument has not been advances. In addition, Afros can exercise power in the sheer fact that they can resort to protest...as they have effectively done in the past...

Here are truths.

1.  At least 30% of the voters self identify as "black" and at least 40% as "Indian".  This means that APNU has to win another 20% whereas the PPP needs to win at least 10%.  Clearly the PPP has a built in advantage.

2. While most Indians in Guyana aren't rich most rich people in Guyana are Indians so the PPP also enjoys an advantage in funding its election campaign.

So clearly APNU and its coalition partners need to run a shrewder and more cunning game than does the PPP.  As is the PPP has only lost won election and in fact has obtained the majority of the votes in all but 3 of them.  I don't include the elections of the Burnham era as clearly these were rigged.

It is also a fact that the PNC has never on its own won a free and fair election.

A growing electorate  are the Dugla , Amerindians and others be it non Blacks and Indis

Baseman posted:
 

 

Yes, Blacks are not helpless however, they should not be expected to leverage their advantage in some areas to get a better deal.  They should be fairly compensated for their contribution to the nation as a whole.

The Govt should also look into promoting and supporting businesses that employ Blacks.  Eg, Guyana should try to reclaim it's status as the center for Caricom ship building and other types of fabrication.

The PNC plans for the road network is a crucial step in moving Guyana forward and making it more productive and efficient!

The gov't needs to address the underlying causes of ethnic insecurity in Guyana.

For blacks its clearly their self perceived weakness on the economic front which renders them dependent on the ethnicity of who has political power.   Too often they see power in the hands of an Indian so there comes the notion of being vulnerable to this group, even though its only a minute portion who have this economic dominance.

I will leave it to others as to the root causes of Indian ethnic insecurity.

I will suggest that until Africans/mixed and Indians cease to see themselves being forced to select tribal leaders for their own protection Guyana will get no where.  This because gov'ts respond when held accountable.  This is why Barbados is better run than Guyana, despite having greater challenges than we do. The GDP of Barbados is DOUBLE that of Guyana.  Yes a tiny island that a plane can cross in 5 minutes!

kp posted:
 

A growing electorate  are the Dugla , Amerindians and others be it non Blacks and Indis

When I see where the mixed identified people live they are in regions 2, 4, 7 and 10. This based on the 2012 census.  Region 2 includes the Pomeroon.

Unless you are calling people with Amerindian ancestry mixed, or those "blacks" who chose to identify as "mixed" because one of their grandparents, or even great grandparents, wasn't black as douglas, I don't think that you are right. Even Volda is now calling herself "mixed" and Trotman does so all of the time.

Trinidad breaks out its mixed identified population as "dougla" and "other mixed".  2/3 check the "other mixed" box.  Guyana doesn't so we don't know.

ronan posted:
 

you can't 'win' on the subject matter

And this is your problem.  You want to "win" an argument. Vishmahabir and I are exchanging our opinions and I suspect learning from each other. 

One thing I value from him is the fact that he has to reconcile himself to hearing the views from two tribes so might have a perspective that those of us who are solidly in one tribe, so not hearing both views expressed honestly, might not have. 

The second point is that he either left Guyana as a kid, or was born here so he has more "freedom" to express his perspectives than those of us more solidly grounded in our respective Guyanese bubbles.

No one is 100% "right" so there are no arguments to win.

@Vish

With due respect to you the GDF and the GPF are conditioned to protect the status quo even if its isn't the party which most of them support.

1. We had the spectacle of the PNC accusing the GPF/GDF of abusing poor black boys and the PPP rushing to defend them.

2. If the GDF/GPF were hostile to the PPP there would have been a coup when Roger Khan was wreaking havoc and "restoring lawfulness" would have been the "excuse".

During the Jagdeo era he had control over those entities and selected their leadership because he knows that the mid level ranks in these entities never revolt against the leadership. He learned this from Burnham who was determined to ensure that the attempted coup in T&T in the early 70s wasn't going to happen in Guyana.

In addition the notion that the majority of blacks support protests is a fallacy.  It disrupts business which means that people are being inconvenienced. I was in Guyana at a time when there were protests and every time it occurred the vendors had to shut down their stalls and move their inventory. They were NOT happy.  This is why there haven't been large protests for at least 10 years.

caribny posted:
ronan posted:

you can't 'win' on the subject matter

And this is your problem.  You want to "win" an argument. 

hmmm, i guess this is bad . . . nothing you would stoop to indulge in

the risible shyte that comes out of your mouth . . . smfh

freaks

ronan posted:
caribny posted:
ronan posted:

you can't 'win' on the subject matter

And this is your problem.  You want to "win" an argument. 

hmmm, i guess this is bad . . . nothing you would stoop to indulge in

the risible shyte that comes out of your mouth . . . smfh

freaks

Banna,

"freaks?"

You fo real?

Why you always sound like you mad at the world....? you better dial Sigmund Freud and see if he can help you...before you fall of the edge...

You make "authoritative" posts and when people respond you start calling names and cussin?

stuuuppppsssssstt!

VishMahabir posted:
ronan posted:
caribny posted:
ronan posted:

you can't 'win' on the subject matter

And this is your problem.  You want to "win" an argument. 

hmmm, i guess this is bad . . . nothing you would stoop to indulge in

the risible shyte that comes out of your mouth . . . smfh

freaks

Banna,

"freaks?"

You fo real?

Why you always sound like you mad at the world....? you better dial Sigmund Freud and see if he can help you...before you fall of the edge...

You make "authoritative" posts and when people respond you start calling names and cussin?

stuuuppppsssssstt!

i despise people who tenaciously deploy all kinds of wear-dem-down dishonest argumentation to "win" on weak and poorly thought out material . . . then, when they lose, whine that it's poor form for the other side to try win an argument

i despise OUT bigots who cynically pelt the "racism" charge

and yes, i also despise habitual name callers who whine about name calling

yeah, that right . . . "freaks"

ronan posted:
VishMahabir posted:
ronan posted:
caribny posted:
ronan posted:

you can't 'win' on the subject matter

And this is your problem.  You want to "win" an argument. 

hmmm, i guess this is bad . . . nothing you would stoop to indulge in

the risible shyte that comes out of your mouth . . . smfh

freaks

Banna,

"freaks?"

You fo real?

Why you always sound like you mad at the world....? you better dial Sigmund Freud and see if he can help you...before you fall of the edge...

You make "authoritative" posts and when people respond you start calling names and cussin?

stuuuppppsssssstt!

i despise people who tenaciously deploy all kinds of wear-dem-down dishonest argumentation to "win" on weak and poorly thought out material . . . then, when they lose, whine that it's poor form for the other side to try win an argument

i despise OUT bigots who cynically pelt the "racism" charge

and yes, i also despise habitual name callers who whine about name calling

yeah, that right . . . "freaks"

You are an immature punk. All you want is to Win. You are on the wrong site, try posting something of substance. 

kp posted:
ronan posted:
VishMahabir posted:
ronan posted:
caribny posted:
ronan posted:

you can't 'win' on the subject matter

And this is your problem.  You want to "win" an argument. 

hmmm, i guess this is bad . . . nothing you would stoop to indulge in

the risible shyte that comes out of your mouth . . . smfh

freaks

Banna,

"freaks?"

You fo real?

Why you always sound like you mad at the world....? you better dial Sigmund Freud and see if he can help you...before you fall of the edge...

You make "authoritative" posts and when people respond you start calling names and cussin?

stuuuppppsssssstt!

i despise people who tenaciously deploy all kinds of wear-dem-down dishonest argumentation to "win" on weak and poorly thought out material . . . then, when they lose, whine that it's poor form for the other side to try win an argument

i despise OUT bigots who cynically pelt the "racism" charge

and yes, i also despise habitual name callers who whine about name calling

yeah, that right . . . "freaks"

You are an immature punk. All you want is to Win. You are on the wrong site, try posting something of substance. 

you vex because you schtupid and always LOSE!

g'wan dahside

ronan posted:
VishMahabir posted:
ronan posted:
caribny posted:
ronan posted:

you can't 'win' on the subject matter

And this is your problem.  You want to "win" an argument. 

hmmm, i guess this is bad . . . nothing you would stoop to indulge in

the risible shyte that comes out of your mouth . . . smfh

freaks

Banna,

"freaks?"

You fo real?

Why you always sound like you mad at the world....? you better dial Sigmund Freud and see if he can help you...before you fall of the edge...

You make "authoritative" posts and when people respond you start calling names and cussin?

stuuuppppsssssstt!

i despise people who tenaciously deploy all kinds of wear-dem-down dishonest argumentation to "win" on weak and poorly thought out material . . . then, when they lose, whine that it's poor form for the other side to try win an argument

i despise OUT bigots who cynically pelt the "racism" charge

and yes, i also despise habitual name callers who whine about name calling

yeah, that right . . . "freaks"

Banna,

You are one of few people here who know a lot about Guyanese history... and who can discern sense from nonsense...that puts you ahead of the pack...

You should appreciate the fact that people read your post, and some who take a lot of time and effort, like Carib above, to respond to your posts..

But, you have a tendency to start an argument then descend into the gutter when people respond...with name calling of the worst kind...

People will start ignoring your posts...

You should put that in your notebook...and ponder on your errant ways...

VishMahabir posted:
ronan posted:
VishMahabir posted:
ronan posted:
caribny posted:
ronan posted:

you can't 'win' on the subject matter

And this is your problem.  You want to "win" an argument. 

hmmm, i guess this is bad . . . nothing you would stoop to indulge in

the risible shyte that comes out of your mouth . . . smfh

freaks

Banna,

"freaks?"

You fo real?

Why you always sound like you mad at the world....? you better dial Sigmund Freud and see if he can help you...before you fall of the edge...

You make "authoritative" posts and when people respond you start calling names and cussin?

stuuuppppsssssstt!

i despise people who tenaciously deploy all kinds of wear-dem-down dishonest argumentation to "win" on weak and poorly thought out material . . . then, when they lose, whine that it's poor form for the other side to try win an argument

i despise OUT bigots who cynically pelt the "racism" charge

and yes, i also despise habitual name callers who whine about name calling

yeah, that right . . . "freaks"

Banna,

You are one of few people here who know a lot about Guyanese history... and who can discern sense from nonsense...that puts you ahead of the pack...

You should appreciate the fact that people read your post, and some who take a lot of time and effort, like Carib above, to respond to your posts..

But, you have a tendency to start an argument then descend into the gutter when people respond...with name calling of the worst kind...

People will start ignoring your posts...

You should put that in your notebook...and ponder on your errant ways...

nite nite now

...hopefully you wake up on the rite side of the straw bed tomorrow...

VishMahabir posted:
ronan posted:
VishMahabir posted:
ronan posted:
caribny posted:
ronan posted:

you can't 'win' on the subject matter

And this is your problem.  You want to "win" an argument. 

hmmm, i guess this is bad . . . nothing you would stoop to indulge in

the risible shyte that comes out of your mouth . . . smfh

freaks

Banna,

"freaks?"

You fo real?

Why you always sound like you mad at the world....? you better dial Sigmund Freud and see if he can help you...before you fall of the edge...

You make "authoritative" posts and when people respond you start calling names and cussin?

stuuuppppsssssstt!

i despise people who tenaciously deploy all kinds of wear-dem-down dishonest argumentation to "win" on weak and poorly thought out material . . . then, when they lose, whine that it's poor form for the other side to try win an argument

i despise OUT bigots who cynically pelt the "racism" charge

and yes, i also despise habitual name callers who whine about name calling

yeah, that right . . . "freaks"

. . . you have a tendency to start an argument then descend into the gutter when people respond...with name calling of the worst kind...

LIAR

where . . . when?

unsupported nonsense!

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