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GuySuCo says to surpass 2018 target, workers to get bonus

By Staff Writer 14 h ago

The Guyana Sugar Corporation Inc (GuySuCo) yesterday said it is poised to achieve its production target for the year, 2018 of 103, 000 tonnes of sugar and that workers will get a bonus.

For the last few years, workers have not gotten an end of year bonus or a wage increase because of the dire state of the industry.

A press release from GuySuCo said that as of yesterday 100,485 tonnes of sugar has been produced for the year. This is in excess of 12,000 tonnes more than what was achieved for 2017, from the three estates – Albion, Blairmont and Uitvlugt…..

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Former Member

good for the workers....

12/13/183:14 PM

NehruBig Mouth Member

It is called Collective Bargaining.

12/13/183:17 PM

kpHonorary Member

Guysuco could not find money to pay the laid off workers severance. Bonus, another false promise, let's wait and see. I thought them seh Sugar is Dead like the AFC.

12/13/183:23 PM

kpHonorary Member

More sugar estate workers to face breadline – GAWU

December 13, 2018

The Guyana Agricultural and General Workers Union (GAWU) has announced that plans are afoot to terminate the services of dozens of sugar estate workers, adding to the thousands already jobless.
The Union noted that these are workers that were retained following the closures of the Wales, Skeldon, Rose Hall and East Demerara estates to maintain skeleton operations at the factories. These workers were involved mainly in security, drainage and irrigation and power house operations.
It reminded that the Guyana Sugar Corporation (GuySuCo) had indicated that it was always its intention to have the workers terminated and it is now giving effect to its intent.
“GuySuCo has assured GAWU that it has monies to pay these workers their severance payments as it becomes due,” the Union said in a statement on Wednesday.
GAWU described the situation as saddening, saying more workers have had to lose their jobs occasioned by the “short-sighted and wrong haphazard decision” to minimise the sugar industry.
“While workers at Wales Estate, closed nearly two years ago, were being paid, GuySuCo at the same time is in the process of informing workers… that they would be terminated by year-end or sometime early next year,” the Union added.
The National Assembly recently approved $2.4 billion in severance payments for over 4000, Wales, Berbice and East Demerara sugar workers who were thrown on the breadline when Government closed several sugar factories.
Wales ended operations in December 2016 and some 375 workers who refused to take up employment at Uitvlugt, West Coast Demerara, remain without severance payments, putting hundreds of families on the breadline and causing economic crisis in surrounding communities.
The workers had taken to the streets, protesting for their severance to be paid.
Last week, some 238 workers who remained on the breadline received their payments while the remaining 109 workers who took up work at Uitvlugt got their severance on Wednesday.
As part of its plans to bring the heavily indebted and cash-strapped GuySuCo back into profitability and efficiency, Government made 5700 workers redundant in an effort to downsize the sector leaving a mere three estates – Albion, Blairmont and Uitvlugt – in operation.
The Skeldon, Rose Hall and East Demerara (Enmore) estates were closed in December 2017 with no severance payments made to the workers.
However, back in January, Government secured $93 billion from the National Assembly to pay some of the ex-sugar workers from those three estates.
Those dismissed workers whose severance packages are $500,000 or less were paid in full by January 31, 2018, while those entitled more than that amount were only paid 50 per cent, with the remaining half to be paid in the second half of the year.
As such, since July, these workers and their families have been looking forward to the second tranche of the severance money from Government.
The coalition Government has made its position clear that the move to downsize the industry was a necessary one, as the monies used as annual bailouts were too much.
But the Opposition said even if this was the case, the laying off of workers could have been done in stages, to allow for them to prepare for alternative employment.
With valuation works for the closed estates having been completed, the Skeldon, Rose Hall-Canje, East Demerara/Enmore, and Wales Estates were advertised for sale.

12/13/183:27 PM

BasemanSenior Member

I don’t understand the confusion. Output targets were established, they exceeded, so agreed bonus is warranted.

All other issues are separate and apart.

12/13/183:44 PM

Former Member

So is sugar really dead or what? One minute the sloppy boys say it dead, now we hear that they paying bonus. What the rass really happening?

12/13/183:57 PM

Former Member

AFC PNC don’t even know their heads from their feet. That is why Jagdeo is busting their 🏀 Balls.

12/13/185:00 PM

Bibi HaniffaGNI Queen

Drugb posted:
So is sugar really dead or what? One minute the sloppy boys say it dead, now we hear that they paying bonus. What the rass really happening?

All depends on which side of the bed they wake up on.

12/13/189:08 PM

Former Member

Bibi Haniffa posted:
Drugb posted:
So is sugar really dead or what? One minute the sloppy boys say it dead, now we hear that they paying bonus. What the rass really happening?
All depends on which side of the bed they wake up on.

Y'all know the difference between production and profit, right? Workers getting bonuses for production. And what is produced will be sold for a big fat LOSS. Alyuh does talk some real, real shit.

12/13/1811:52 PM

Former Member

Iguana posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:
Drugb posted:
So is sugar really dead or what? One minute the sloppy boys say it dead, now we hear that they paying bonus. What the rass really happening?
All depends on which side of the bed they wake up on.
Y'all know the difference between production and profit, right? Workers getting bonuses for production. And what is produced will be sold for a big fat LOSS. Alyuh does talk some real, real shit.

And you believe this is good management practice, to give bonuses when operating at a loss?

12/14/188:52 AM

Former Member

Iguana posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:
Drugb posted:
So is sugar really dead or what? One minute the sloppy boys say it dead, now we hear that they paying bonus. What the rass really happening?
All depends on which side of the bed they wake up on.
Y'all know the difference between production and profit, right? Workers getting bonuses for production. And what is produced will be sold for a big fat LOSS. Alyuh does talk some real, real shit.

You see only sugar being sold at a loss. You do not see the molasses being sold and the profits from rum. I would be SMFH if I was Redux/Ronan, Iguana etc.

12/14/188:59 AM

BasemanSenior Member

Production people are paid for quantitative output and quality. That’s their responsibility to fulfill. The overall profitability is not in their control. The bonuses are valid and earned based on the criteria established for them!

People are held accountable to what the control!

12/14/189:04 AM

BasemanSenior Member

QIguana posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:
Drugb posted:
So is sugar really dead or what? One minute the sloppy boys say it dead, now we hear that they paying bonus. What the rass really happening?
All depends on which side of the bed they wake up on.
Y'all know the difference between production and profit, right? Workers getting bonuses for production. And what is produced will be sold for a big fat LOSS. Alyuh does talk some real, real shit.

Nonsensical comments. The GoG don’t control global prices. They have to keep cost under control and productivity up, but they cannot control prices.

12/14/189:08 AM

Former Member

some people don't seem to be happy at this....why is that?

12/14/189:22 AM

cainTired old hippie

Ray posted:
some people don't seem to be happy at this....why is that?

The party of their choice is not in office so anything done by the GOG will be scorned regardless if good for the country.

12/14/189:35 AM

cainTired old hippie

Drugb posted:
Iguana posted:
Y'all know the difference between production and profit, right? Workers getting bonuses for production. And what is produced will be sold for a big fat LOSS. Alyuh does talk some real, real shit.
And you believe this is good management practice, to give bonuses when operating at a loss?

How about pumping money every year into a dying commodity as done by the previous govt?

12/14/189:38 AM

Former Member

cain posted:
Drugb posted:
Iguana posted:
Y'all know the difference between production and profit, right? Workers getting bonuses for production. And what is produced will be sold for a big fat LOSS. Alyuh does talk some real, real shit.
And you believe this is good management practice, to give bonuses when operating at a loss?
How about pumping money every year into a dying commodity as done by the previous govt?

So maybe the US Govt. should stop subsidizing all the farmers and stop giving tax breaks to small businesses.

12/14/1810:21 AM

Former Member

cain posted:
Ray posted:
some people don't seem to be happy at this....why is that?
The party of their choice is not in office so anything done by the GOG will be scorned regardless if good for the country.

If BJ and PPP are not in power, all hell will break loose; they will make the country ungovernable. Who cares about good of country? tgif

12/14/1810:21 AM

Former Member

Leonora posted:
cain posted:
Ray posted:
some people don't seem to be happy at this....why is that?
The party of their choice is not in office so anything done by the GOG will be scorned regardless if good for the country.
If BJ and PPP are not in power, all hell will break loose; they will make the country ungovernable. Who cares about good of country?

Gyal I beg to differ with you. Experience taught us that it's not the PPP and Jagdeo; it's the PNC and their arsonists' goons. Slow fiah mo fiah.

12/14/1810:24 AM

Former Member

Baseman posted:
QIguana posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:
Drugb posted:
So is sugar really dead or what? One minute the sloppy boys say it dead, now we hear that they paying bonus. What the rass really happening?
All depends on which side of the bed they wake up on.
Y'all know the difference between production and profit, right? Workers getting bonuses for production. And what is produced will be sold for a big fat LOSS. Alyuh does talk some real, real shit.
Nonsensical comments. The GoG don’t control global prices. They have to keep cost under control and productivity up, but they cannot control prices.

Don't let yuh hatred fuh Gwana man because he point out yuh racist tendencies get the best of yuh. Yuh call what I post "nonsensical" den guh on to seh dis in anodda post

Baseman seh:

Production people are paid for quantitative output and quality. That’s their responsibility to fulfill. The overall profitability is not in their control. The bonuses are valid and earned based on the criteria established for them!
People are held accountable to what the control!

Suh I repeat - there is a difference between production and profit. Bonuses are based on production and not on profit. From what you seh above, you seem to agree.

That what they produce ultimately results in a loss to the industry is of no relevance to the workers, whose agreement is strictly based on production! Again - you seem to agree (wid all yuh mumbling about what they control etc).

Suh what shit yuh talking about nonsensical? Or is just because black Gwana seh it dat it's nonsense, eh?

12/14/1810:35 AM

Bibi HaniffaGNI Queen

skeldon_man posted:
Leonora posted:
cain posted:
Ray posted:
some people don't seem to be happy at this....why is that?
The party of their choice is not in office so anything done by the GOG will be scorned regardless if good for the country.
If BJ and PPP are not in power, all hell will break loose; they will make the country ungovernable. Who cares about good of country?
Gyal I beg to differ with you. Experience taught us that it's not the PPP and Jagdeo; it's the PNC and their arsonists' goons. Slow fiah mo fiah.

She is right. When the PPP is not in power all hell breaks loose.

12/14/1810:36 AM

Former Member

Bibi Haniffa posted:
skeldon_man posted:
Leonora posted:
cain posted:
Ray posted:
some people don't seem to be happy at this....why is that?
The party of their choice is not in office so anything done by the GOG will be scorned regardless if good for the country.
If BJ and PPP are not in power, all hell will break loose; they will make the country ungovernable. Who cares about good of country?
Gyal I beg to differ with you. Experience taught us that it's not the PPP and Jagdeo; it's the PNC and their arsonists' goons. Slow fiah mo fiah.
She is right. When the PPP is not in power all hell breaks loose.

Glad you see it as the glass half full. I saw it as half empty.

12/14/1810:40 AM

Former Member

Drugb posted:
Iguana posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:
Drugb posted:
So is sugar really dead or what? One minute the sloppy boys say it dead, now we hear that they paying bonus. What the rass really happening?
All depends on which side of the bed they wake up on.
Y'all know the difference between production and profit, right? Workers getting bonuses for production. And what is produced will be sold for a big fat LOSS. Alyuh does talk some real, real shit.
And you believe this is good management practice, to give bonuses when operating at a loss?

Anodda wan wid no sense of how business is run. If not "good management practice" then why did the PPP et al. AGREE contractually to give production bonuses. Why not make it profit sharing bonuses (in which case the sugar workers will get nothing).

Once an agreement is made it must be honored. They promised the workers production bonuses, production was exceeded, so honor the agreement and pay de po people dem.

Should the coalition choose NOT to honor the agreement and pay the workers for their production, you and yuh Indo KKK bunch hay would be jumping and screaming (and rightfully so). But here you are, mumbling all kinda shit about "good management practice" and "operation loss" and all kinda non sequitur bullshit to deny de po people dem money.

Sugar is dead. The industry done in Guyana which cannot match the lower per unit cost of the rest of the world. But this has no bearing on contractual agreements signed with the workers. You and Haniffa gat a problem, tek it up wid de PPP and whoever signed the agreements.

You, like Baseman, haniffa and others operate on agendas. Not reason and sound argument. Black man bad. Indian man good. Coalition bad. PPP good. No thought. Just dogs responding to a dog whistle.

Y'all are a bunch of fked up people, emblematic of Guyana. Alyuh thinking need to dead out.

12/14/1810:49 AM

Former Member

Iguana posted:
Anodda wan wid no sense of how business is run. If not "good management practice" then why did the PPP et al. AGREE contractually to give production bonuses. Why not make it profit sharing bonuses (in which case the sugar workers will get nothing).
Once an agreement is made it must be honored. They promised the workers production bonuses, production was exceeded, so honor the agreement and pay de po people dem.
Should the coalition choose NOT to honor the agreement and pay the workers for their production, you and yuh Indo KKK bunch hay would be jumping and screaming (and rightfully so). But here you are, mumbling all kinda shit about "good management practice" and "operation loss" and all kinda non sequitur bullshit to deny de po people dem money.
Sugar is dead. The industry done in Guyana which cannot match the lower per unit cost of the rest of the world. But this has no bearing on contractual agreements signed with the workers. You and Haniffa gat a problem, tek it up wid de PPP and whoever signed the agreements.
You, like Baseman, haniffa and others operate on agendas. Not reason and sound argument. Black man bad. Indian man good. Coalition bad. PPP good. No thought. Just dogs responding to a dog whistle.
Y'all are a bunch of fked up people, emblematic of Guyana. Alyuh thinking need to dead out.

Imagine that, a ship sinking and the chef still serving dinner. I am not here to reflect back on past PPP incompetence. The question is what is the PNC doing to right the ship or is this all part of the wind down of the industry?

12/14/1812:00 PM

BasemanSenior Member

Iguana posted:
Drugb posted:
Iguana posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:
Drugb posted:
So is sugar really dead or what? One minute the sloppy boys say it dead, now we hear that they paying bonus. What the rass really happening?
All depends on which side of the bed they wake up on.
Y'all know the difference between production and profit, right? Workers getting bonuses for production. And what is produced will be sold for a big fat LOSS. Alyuh does talk some real, real shit.
And you believe this is good management practice, to give bonuses when operating at a loss?
Anodda wan wid no sense of how business is run. If not "good management practice" then why did the PPP et al. AGREE contractually to give production bonuses. Why not make it profit sharing bonuses (in which case the sugar workers will get nothing).
Once an agreement is made it must be honored. They promised the workers production bonuses, production was exceeded, so honor the agreement and pay de po people dem.
Should the coalition choose NOT to honor the agreement and pay the workers for their production, you and yuh Indo KKK bunch hay would be jumping and screaming (and rightfully so). But here you are, mumbling all kinda shit about "good management practice" and "operation loss" and all kinda non sequitur bullshit to deny de po people dem money.
Sugar is dead. The industry done in Guyana which cannot match the lower per unit cost of the rest of the world. But this has no bearing on contractual agreements signed with the workers. You and Haniffa gat a problem, tek it up wid de PPP and whoever signed the agreements.
You, like Baseman, haniffa and others operate on agendas. Not reason and sound argument. Black man bad. Indian man good. Coalition bad. PPP good. No thought. Just dogs responding to a dog whistle.
Y'all are a bunch of fked up people, emblematic of Guyana. Alyuh thinking need to dead out.

Don’t lump me with the rest. I am objective, the bonuses are warranted based on production targets. I’m not being political. Baseman is not being critical of the GoG on this.

12/14/1812:02 PM

BasemanSenior Member

Iguana posted:
Baseman posted:
QIguana posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:
Drugb posted:
So is sugar really dead or what? One minute the sloppy boys say it dead, now we hear that they paying bonus. What the rass really happening?
All depends on which side of the bed they wake up on.
Y'all know the difference between production and profit, right? Workers getting bonuses for production. And what is produced will be sold for a big fat LOSS. Alyuh does talk some real, real shit.
Nonsensical comments. The GoG don’t control global prices. They have to keep cost under control and productivity up, but they cannot control prices.
Don't let yuh hatred fuh Gwana man because he point out yuh racist tendencies get the best of yuh. Yuh call what I post "nonsensical" den guh on to seh dis in anodda post
Baseman seh:
Production people are paid for quantitative output and quality. That’s their responsibility to fulfill. The overall profitability is not in their control. The bonuses are valid and earned based on the criteria established for them!
People are held accountable to what the control!
Suh I repeat - there is a difference between production and profit. Bonuses are based on production and not on profit. From what you seh above, you seem to agree.
That what they produce ultimately results in a loss to the industry is of no relevance to the workers, whose agreement is strictly based on production! Again - you seem to agree (wid all yuh mumbling about what they control etc).
Suh what shit yuh talking about nonsensical? Or is just because black Gwana seh it dat it's nonsense, eh?

I may have misunderstood your comment when you stressed the fat loss. I think we agree on the principle!

12/14/1812:04 PM

cainTired old hippie

Oh rass Base..you and Iggy agreeing on something...I suspect you both gonna exchange Krismus cards soon. Hehe

12/14/1812:34 PM

BasemanSenior Member

Drugb posted:
Iguana posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:
Drugb posted:
So is sugar really dead or what? One minute the sloppy boys say it dead, now we hear that they paying bonus. What the rass really happening?
All depends on which side of the bed they wake up on.
Y'all know the difference between production and profit, right? Workers getting bonuses for production. And what is produced will be sold for a big fat LOSS. Alyuh does talk some real, real shit.
And you believe this is good management practice, to give bonuses when operating at a loss?

It’s good management practice to establish targets based on control. It’s also good management practice to honor those agreed upon targets.

12/14/181:41 PM

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