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Dave posted:

Both PNC and PPP will destroy Shuman in time to come,  he will regret giving up His Canadian Citizen. 

Let’s see. Shuman will lean on his nativism and garner international support based on the rights of the β€œFirst People”.  I doubt Blackman and Coolie will get away with anything that easy.  

Remember, while Coolies ran away from Black tyranny, the Shuman people did rise up. 

Baseman
Labba posted:

Shuman go get 3 seats. Thank you Granja foh trying to rig and Jagdoe for hand pickin Irfaan to continue yuh klepto ways. ANUG getting 5 seats. Minority government next and PPP not gurantee foh win. Hey hey hey...

Labba, you want some Massala to bhunjay the curry ? You out of line bai.

PPP wins a majority

Shuman gets 1 seat, then 2 seats in 2024.

PNC demolished and has to rebuild for 2024.

FM
Django posted:
Billy Ram Balgobin posted:
Labba posted:

Shuman go get 3 seats. Thank you Granja foh trying to rig and Jagdoe for hand pickin Irfaan to continue yuh klepto ways. ANUG getting 5 seats. Minority government next and PPP not gurantee foh win. Hey hey hey...

Just your dreams.

"Dreams" you better go back to the drawing table.

Your mind games on GNI is not going to work to deter the people from removing this regime from power. It's last lap for the PNC.  Time to go!!

Billy Ram Balgobin
kp posted:

Carib cannot write a sentence without his racist RANTS, so when Yuji pointed that out in a different post , it got CLOSED.

 The fact remains that Carib is allowed the free reign of race baiting on a daily basic.

Carib does not attack Django and vice versa.  Carib shares that PNC view of using intra-racists Indians to do their dirty work.  It's seems like the admin. is also a soupee and an intra-racist too. 

Billy Ram Balgobin
Billy Ram Balgobin posted:
Django posted:
Billy Ram Balgobin posted:
Labba posted:

Shuman go get 3 seats. Thank you Granja foh trying to rig and Jagdoe for hand pickin Irfaan to continue yuh klepto ways. ANUG getting 5 seats. Minority government next and PPP not gurantee foh win. Hey hey hey...

Just your dreams.

"Dreams" you better go back to the drawing table.

Your mind games on GNI is not going to work to deter the people from removing this regime from power. It's last lap for the PNC.  Time to go!!

Hey...hey.. keep on dreaming. Define the "people" please.

Django
Billy Ram Balgobin posted:
kp posted:

Carib cannot write a sentence without his racist RANTS, so when Yuji pointed that out in a different post , it got CLOSED.

 The fact remains that Carib is allowed the free reign of race baiting on a daily basic.

Carib does not attack Django and vice versa.

I don't have no fight with Carib, he is free to share his views, most of the time he is on target.

Django
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Django posted:
Billy Ram Balgobin posted:
Django posted:
Billy Ram Balgobin posted:
Labba posted:

Shuman go get 3 seats. Thank you Granja foh trying to rig and Jagdoe for hand pickin Irfaan to continue yuh klepto ways. ANUG getting 5 seats. Minority government next and PPP not gurantee foh win. Hey hey hey...

Just your dreams.

"Dreams" you better go back to the drawing table.

Your mind games on GNI is not going to work to deter the people from removing this regime from power. It's last lap for the PNC.  Time to go!!

Hey...hey.. keep on dreaming. Define the "people" please.

 

Django posted:
Billy Ram Balgobin posted:
Labba posted:

Shuman go get 3 seats. Thank you Granja foh trying to rig and Jagdoe for hand pickin Irfaan to continue yuh klepto ways. ANUG getting 5 seats. Minority government next and PPP not gurantee foh win. Hey hey hey...

Just your dreams.

"Dreams" you better go back to the drawing table.

Your mind games on GNI is not going to work to deter the people from removing this regime from power. It's last lap for the PNC.  Time to go!!

The PNC never won more than 27 seats in a general election. Now thatthe AFC is washed up who hell thinks the PNC can win 34 on its own?  Shuman is an unknown fly by night politician with no history as a fighter for Amerindian political rights. It's highly doubtful that he can win a seat given his lack of political clout.

Billy Ram Balgobin
Django posted:
Labba posted:

Shuman go get 3 seats. Thank you Granja foh trying to rig and Jagdoe for hand pickin Irfaan to continue yuh klepto ways. ANUG getting 5 seats. Minority government next and PPP not gurantee foh win. Hey hey hey...

Breakdown on Amerindian voters they are around 46,120 [ in 2015]  will be 56,917 [in 2020] stats from 2012 Census.

You are making the assumption that all Amerinds will vote for Shuman. Like dem coolies, not all natives will vote for Shuman. Some will look at him as an opportunist who lived abroad for 28 years and is ready to reap the benefits of the hard working locals.

FM
skeldon_man posted:
Django posted:
Labba posted:

Shuman go get 3 seats. Thank you Granja foh trying to rig and Jagdoe for hand pickin Irfaan to continue yuh klepto ways. ANUG getting 5 seats. Minority government next and PPP not gurantee foh win. Hey hey hey...

Breakdown on Amerindian voters they are around 46,120 [ in 2015]  will be 56,917 [in 2020] stats from 2012 Census.

You are making the assumption that all Amerinds will vote for Shuman. Like dem coolies, not all natives will vote for Shuman. Some will look at him as an opportunist who lived abroad for 28 years and is ready to reap the benefits of the hard working locals.

Not really, just post the figures.

Django
Billy Ram Balgobin posted:
 

Your mind games on GNI is not going to work to deter the people from removing this regime from power. It's last lap for the PNC.  Time to go!!

The PNC never won more than 27 seats in a general election. Now thatthe AFC is washed up who hell thinks the PNC can win 34 on its own?  Shuman is an unknown fly by night politician with no history as a fighter for Amerindian political rights. It's highly doubtful that he can win a seat given his lack of political clout.

AFC washed up !!!  you better think again.

Django
Billy Ram Balgobin posted:
Django posted:
Billy Ram Balgobin posted:
Django posted:
Billy Ram Balgobin posted:
Labba posted:

Shuman go get 3 seats. Thank you Granja foh trying to rig and Jagdoe for hand pickin Irfaan to continue yuh klepto ways. ANUG getting 5 seats. Minority government next and PPP not gurantee foh win. Hey hey hey...

Just your dreams.

"Dreams" you better go back to the drawing table.

Your mind games on GNI is not going to work to deter the people from removing this regime from power. It's last lap for the PNC.  Time to go!!

Hey...hey.. keep on dreaming. Define the "people" please.

 

Django posted:
Billy Ram Balgobin posted:
Labba posted:

Shuman go get 3 seats. Thank you Granja foh trying to rig and Jagdoe for hand pickin Irfaan to continue yuh klepto ways. ANUG getting 5 seats. Minority government next and PPP not gurantee foh win. Hey hey hey...

Just your dreams.

"Dreams" you better go back to the drawing table.

Your mind games on GNI is not going to work to deter the people from removing this regime from power. It's last lap for the PNC.  Time to go!!

The PNC never won more than 27 seats in a general election. Now thatthe AFC is washed up who hell thinks the PNC can win 34 on its own?  Shuman is an unknown fly by night politician with no history as a fighter for Amerindian political rights. It's highly doubtful that he can win a seat given his lack of political clout.

PNC is returning to their usual 27 seats. (This is an overly optimistic number)

Shuman 1

PPP 34 seats

Others - 3

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yuji22 posted:
Demerara_Guy posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:
skeldon_man posted:

Shuman will destroy the PNC. The PNC has been hiring all these old folks and leave the young educated men and women with no hope. Guess what? Granger will forgive all unemployed educated with debts.

He is having secret meetings with the PNC. Not likely to destroy them. Most likely he will take the place of the AFC to form a coalition with them.  And has he really given up his Canadian citizenship???

His organization MUST join and register as a part of APNU for the election.

Contesting as another party in the elections would be an interesting one.

He will probably go solo this election. 

D2 is joining this party. He can be contacted for official Shuman statements. He finally has a party that he can relate to.  

I have no official voice for the party an in no way have ever met with spoken to or met with anyone connected to the party. I just know what he must do and if he continues as he is I will join. 

FM
Baseman posted:
Dave posted:

Both PNC and PPP will destroy Shuman in time to come,  he will regret giving up His Canadian Citizen. 

Let’s see. Shuman will lean on his nativism and garner international support based on the rights of the β€œFirst People”.  I doubt Blackman and Coolie will get away with anything that easy.  

Remember, while Coolies ran away from Black tyranny, the Shuman people did rise up. 

He is set to become a very powerful political actor. I hope he has the inner fortitude to have that much invested in him. He is the key for Amerindians to get their due. He can also be instrumental to see that neither the PPP or the APNU bleed our country dry.

He will also be the target for international groups to try to seduce to pressure the government to favor their initiative. Lots of countries will send in their agents to shower him with privileged if they know he can influence their access. I hope those in his ear are advising him of a future where he will be such a target and help him with the courage to resist and maintain focus.

FM
caribny posted:
Django posted:

Telling you over and over, don't bank on that. PNC have their base just like  PPP.

Will take a few cycles for that to break up.

Indian men have a problem of feeling emasculated and the homoerotic yearnings of the Indo Nazis for black men manifests this. These characters are brave only behind PCs and try desperately to signal some measure of virility, but these same "men" will flee that the minute that a strong black female barks at them.

They see themselves as weaker than black men, and unable to defend themselves and they cleave to Jagdeo who they think did so with his Phantoms.  They see Jagdeo as protecting them from "black man".  Decades after Burnham their self esteem is still shattered by how Burnham tossed around Jagan and make him look impotent.

While blacks also fear the economic dominance of the Indian business elites and their ability to utilize private militias they do not depend on  any individual man as the savior.  There is no "Jagdeo" in the PNC.  Afro Guyanese are extremely individualistic whereas rural Indians are very communal.

So the PNC base is a good deal more independent minded than is the PPP base, and likely to transmit their disgust with the PNC. Corbin found this out in 2006 when many PNC voters stayed home.  The issue that we will find out is the degree to which the PNC base disgust with people like Harmon, Jordan, and even Granger offsets their fear of a return of Jagdeo and the Phantoms.

All of that is undistilled pseudo psychological crap. Change the races and put them in a majoritarian system where they are vertically bifurcated by ethnicity as ours and the competition for power will manifest similarly. Arend  Lijphart study of majoritarian systems illustrate closely how people behave in the constraint of this system. We can correct this in many ways.  Lijphart suggests power sharing but that also has its bugabos. We need a system that will coerce cross cultural ethnic participation. There are many and that is not my aim here.

 

FM
D2 posted:

 Seven thousand gives Shuman the scepter. He shall be kingmaker and kneebraker.

Really?  Even assuming that he gets these votes why will President Jagdeo/Irfaan listen to him, even if he has 48%?  He will not.  Having the largest votes allows him to dominate the executive. 

This party gets nothing unless they coordinate with APNU/AFC and we see how that ended up.

FM
D2 posted:
and  mixed races who so not see themselves supporting either parties.

 

 

The young grass roots will likely not vote as these guys will not win, so will not be able to help them.  The young middle class will drink whatever soup that they believe offers the most.  The young intellectual class isn't large enough to make a difference.  The failure of the AFC will have made the alienated even more alienated than they currently are.

There is no mixed races voting bloc. All sorts of people call themselves mixed and manifest as many behaviors as they have for calling themselves mixed.  A large % of these people have traditionally voted PNC. Others fall into the independent swing vote, some of them supporting AFC, but we don't know where they are now.  Reportedly over 20% (probably a segment of the douglas) supported the PPP as well.

What I have told you and what you refuse to understand is that the so called "African" group aren't the equivalent of the Indians.  They have no interest in a connection to Africa and aren't highly motivated to maintain "African" cultural behaviors. They meander around a "Creole" cultural continuum just as do their peers in other parts of the non Hispanic Caribbean.  Telling them that their ancestors are Susu, Ewe, Akan, Bakongo, etc. will result in a black stare.

Africans cannot even agree as to what they should be called.  Some reject "African", some reject "black", a few older ones still prefer "Negro".   And some will call themselves "mixed" based on some obscure non African grand parent, or even great grand parent.   Someone looking like BeyoncΓ© will be insulted if not been seen as being "black". Another looking like Michelle O will insist that they are "mixed".

So who is or isn't "African/black/negro/mixed" cannot be universally determined whereas we all know who is or isn't an Indian and we all know the cultural traits of the Indian, even if not every Indian adheres to these.

FM
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caribny posted:
D2 posted:

 Seven thousand gives Shuman the scepter. He shall be kingmaker and kneebraker.

Really?  Even assuming that he gets these votes why will President Jagdeo/Irfaan listen to him, even if he has 48%?  He will not.  Having the largest votes allows him to dominate the executive. 

This party gets nothing unless they coordinate with APNU/AFC and we see how that ended up.

They do not listen to him then they get the charrandas protocol. The PNC would love to have another try very soon enough. The PPP has to win with an absolute majority and so does the PNC without worrying of being booted out. That is not likely to happen. 

FM
D2 posted:
 

All of that is undistilled pseudo psychological crap. Change the races and put them in a majoritarian system where they are vertically bifurcated by ethnicity as ours and the competition for power will manifest similarly. .

 

When you descend from the clouds you will see that the behaviors of the two major groups, inclusive of that portion which call themselves "mixed" are quite different.

The two groups are not equivalent.  They have different heritages, perceived themselves differently within Guyana, and respond to leadership in a different manner.  One has a very hardened sense in what their ethnicity is and how it manifests.  The other doesn't.  They occupy very different roles in Guyana and this informs their self perceived strengths and weaknesses.

And surely you have noted the massive homoerotic rambling emanating from a particular demographic on GNI.  GNI is but a reflection of Guyana, and especially the Indian segment is well represented here in all its diversity.  The blacks in the main left years ago seeing this as a cesspit of racism.

FM
caribny posted:
D2 posted:
and  mixed races who so not see themselves supporting either parties.

 

 

The young grass roots will likely not vote as these guys will not win, so will not be able to help them.  The young middle class will drink whatever soup that they believe offers the most.  The young intellectual class isn't large enough to make a difference.  The failure of the AFC will have made the alienated even more alienated than they currently are.

There is no mixed races voting bloc. All sorts of people call themselves mixed and manifest as many behaviors as they have for calling themselves mixed.  A large % of these people have traditionally voted PNC. Others fall into the independent swing vote, some of them supporting AFC, but we don't know where they are now.  Reportedly over 20% (probably a segment of the douglas) supported the PPP as well.

What I have told you and what you refuse to understand is that the so called "African" group aren't the equivalent of the Indians.  They have no interest in a connection to Africa and aren't highly motivated to maintain "African" cultural behaviors. They meander around a "Creole" cultural continuum just as do their peers in other parts of the non Hispanic Caribbean.  Telling them that their ancestors are Susu, Ewe, Akan, Bakongo, etc. will result in a black stare.

Africans cannot even agree as to what they should be called.  Some reject "African", some reject "black", a few older ones still prefer "Negro".   And some will call themselves "mixed" based on some obscure non African grand parent, or even great grand parent.   Someone looking like BeyoncΓ© will be insulted if not been seen as being "black". Another looking like Michelle O will insist that they are "mixed".

So who is or isn't "African/black/negro/mixed" cannot be universally determined whereas we all know who is or isn't an Indian and we all know the cultural traits of the Indian, even if not every Indian adheres to these.

You have little faith in the young and that is because both sides have no creative strategy to mobilize them. The millennials are a power house in the us congress simply because of grass root movements and systems like act blue which can help them with funding. 

Africans are people as are Indians and they are driven by identity nebulous or not. African identity does not depend on tribe nor does Indian even if both are of tribal groups. However a commonality through the colonial cauldron binds them.  Most Indians don't give a damn about India other than it is their ancient home world. They are barely a majority Hindus since some 45 percent are of Abrahamic faiths.  Also they are in their second diaspora and one more supranational identity removed and these people influence what goes on at home in many ways also.

The reality is the dominance of ethnic politics persist. 

 

FM

D2 answer this question.  Shuman told the newspapers in Guyana less than a year ago that he was heading back to Canada because of the lack of career opportunities in Guyana that can pay for the money that he spent on his education in Canada.  How come in a matter of months Shuman is now talking about giving up Canadian citizenship and is running the election.  How come this overnight change of heart?  

Prashad

Looks like sakiwinki boy did not do his proper research on Shuman. He killed a eco lodge project that was handed to him from the previous toshao.

 

Entornointeligente.com / Former Toshao of St Cuthbert's Mission, Luke Simon Γ’ ?? "former Toshao Luke Simon says SAYING That I have nothing against Lenox Shuman, a former Toshao of St Cuthbert's Mission, Luke Simon Said the presidential aspirant must first account for His That stewardship in Amerindian reservation and lamented His decision to break up to $ 5M eco lodge HAD His administration built.

Shuman will be launching His Partya ?? "?? Partya Liberal and Justice" on Saturday at an event billed for the Georgetown Club. I HAD Said via the Stabroek News That some of the party's primary Objectives include constitutional reform, Particularly to diminish the powers of the office of the president and to move the governance structure from a proportional representation model to a constituency-based democracy at the national level . "Give the power to the people", and "defines governance versus power-sharing formulated to Provide a better governance structure," I said.

Other Reforms have advanced constitutional proposal include Provisions for post-election coalitions Allowing, Developing and Implementing a strong environmental policy That will be enforceable, and developing an economic model That will not be Solely dependent on oil revenues. The new party Proposes, Shuman Said That oil revenues be used to provide "free" education to all Citizens.

Numerous Allegations resurfaced Already Have About Shuman's tenure in office as the Toshao of St Cuthbert's Mission. He has denied all of them. However, Simon Said When He demitted office, Shuman Took over from him and I handed over a lot of items. "I was a bit surprised to see how I've used up the Things That I handed over ... take for instance, one of the Most Important Projects That I was Involved in was an ecotourism lodge, which (Shuman) Brought down ..." Simon Said I is very concerned about this mostly Because the project would Have Brought in vast revenues to St. Cuthbert's Mission. "It was a bit odd to see how the building and dismantled They Actually, I do not know, sold the rest of the investments for That purpose Because We had bought hammocks, and We had bought gas stoves and cylinders and even bought a speedboat . "

"I'm not bad-talking him, but I'm Worried About What Happened To That eco-lodge, Because It Would Have Brought in revenues to St. Cuthbert's Mission and it would Have enabled the village council [to Become] Involved in other projects and it would Have meant more income for them and we would not have to be asking for money here and there. Even That, other arms like the youth group and farmers and so, would support the Have produced and eco lodge as well, even poultry farmers. I thought it out Carefully When I undertook a project and more Such so, it was a project funded by UNDP in collaboration With IDB. So that's what I'm Worried About, "Simon said.

Also persons are questioning Whether Shuman is a citizen of Canada. Shuman is Reported to Have left Guyana in 1990 for Canada Where I Attended Confederation College of Applied Arts and Technology, graduating with a Business Diploma and a Canadian Commercial Pilot's License in 1999. Over the years, I have returned to Contribute to Periodically the St. Cuthbert's Mission community, located off the Soesdyke-Linden Highway as, According to him, the hood can be traced chief back to His great, great, grandfather. He is married to a Canadian Also, but became a re-some years now migrant. Prior to forming the party, I served as Toshao of St Cuthbert's Mission and vice-chairman of the National Toshaos Council (NTC).

Since I Announced His running as leader for the LJP, re-Have Numerous complaints from residents of St surfaced Cuthbert's Mission and others Who Had Encounters with the former village leader. A visit by St Cuthbert to esta newspaper's Mission in December Heard About missing complaints council items That Were Once in Shuman's possession, coming from the current Toshao; Also Were there reports of bad Relations with members of the village. Residents say Shuman HAD That Ejected a peaceful group of Brazilian Christian worshipers after hosting services They Began in the village, while I attempted to kick out a family of East Indian mix out of the village.

Others are still awaiting word on the end of an investigation into Launched Shuman and his molestation of a minor Alleged in the community. Meanwhile, other complaints against him REMAIN still unanswered. These include Those from persons: such as Priest-in-Charge of the St. Cuthbert's Mission Anglican Church, Bernard restriction of Amsterdam and his service to the village. Recounting a letter of complaint I wrote to the Indigenous Peoples' Affairs Minister, Sydney Allicock, Which did not sit well With Shuman and angered him while They Were at the village's Nomination Day, Priest Amsterdam Stated: "I've Then Told me in a harsh , uncouth and in a loud tone, 'GET OUT oF THIS MEETING, LEAVE THE VILLAGE,' you're not a member of this community

FM
Prashad posted:

D2 answer this question.  Shuman told the newspapers in Guyana less than a year ago that he was heading back to Canada because of the lack of career opportunities in Guyana that can pay for the money that he spent on his education in Canada.  How come in a matter of months Shuman is now talking about giving up Canadian citizenship and is running the election.  How come this overnight change of heart?  

how come your old behind is asking that question and you have not touched native soil in a while? He can do what the hell he likes. All of us are here because we are in pursuit of a different life. He told you why he is giving up a comfortable life and returning to his country. I believe him. You can do like drugb who lie about his black wife, cuss black people and now claim he is a cripple and do your best to smear him. To each his own. 

FM
cain posted:

That is one confusing article

PNC propaganda against him. Imagine, the PPP is also afraid of him so their supporters are using PNC manufactured lies against him. They forget he stood with Charrandas and my be the only reason the PPP sees power again. The ABC nations will stand for him against divisive ongoing ethnic political stalemate. Neither the PPP or the PNC has the necessary ingredient to get our country going on all cylinders. He is  the bridge they need since he can control the excesses of either. That is what the AFC was supposed to do but its leaders let their hatred for the PPP drive them into the arms of the PNC. 

FM
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caribny posted:
D2 posted:
 

All of that is undistilled pseudo psychological crap. Change the races and put them in a majoritarian system where they are vertically bifurcated by ethnicity as ours and the competition for power will manifest similarly. .

 

When you descend from the clouds you will see that the behaviors of the two major groups, inclusive of that portion which call themselves "mixed" are quite different.

The two groups are not equivalent.  They have different heritages, perceived themselves differently within Guyana, and respond to leadership in a different manner.  One has a very hardened sense in what their ethnicity is and how it manifests.  The other doesn't.  They occupy very different roles in Guyana and this informs their self perceived strengths and weaknesses.

And surely you have noted the massive homoerotic rambling emanating from a particular demographic on GNI.  GNI is but a reflection of Guyana, and especially the Indian segment is well represented here in all its diversity.  The blacks in the main left years ago seeing this as a cesspit of racism.

I do not give a damn about the major groups if they will support race based party to the ends of the earth. They are the knuckle heads who are led by the nose.  I care about the few on the fringe who are disgusted like I am. It so happens they make up a considerable number capable of constraining the actions of those who would harm themselves and the society. It appears on all front that once in power, Africans in Guyana participate in similar obscene racist  nonsense as Indians. Amerindians have always borne the burnt. Now it is a growing chorus of the young

FM
D2 posted:

I do not give a damn about the major groups if they will support race based party to the ends of the earth. They are the knuckle heads who are led by the nose.  I care about the few on the fringe who are disgusted like I am. It so happens they make up a considerable number capable of constraining the actions of those who would harm themselves and the society. It appears on all front that once in power, Africans in Guyana participate in similar obscene racist nonsense as Indians. Amerindians have always borne the burnt. Now it is a growing chorus of the young

it so happens that Shuman's party is also a race-based party

with ALL the potential for corrupt (and racist) behavior just like the two major parties

it so also happens that good people welcome it as a potential power broker

sane people are not holding their breath

FM

Kaieteur news needs to run a background check on Shuman in Canada to see if there are any issues there. Something just does not feel right. A man claims that he is going back to Canada because of a lack of career opportunities then less than a year he is talking about giving up Canadian citizenship. Something just don't feel right with this story.

Prashad
yuji22 posted:

Shuman will be tested at the upcoming election campaign. 

In the meanwhile, PNC is calling for war !

Let's see how his own people treat him. I am sure there is division among the tribes.

The man is renouncing his Canadian citizenship. Does this mean he is also losing his Canadian permanent status? His wife will still retain hers.

FM
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