Has Joey Jagan disappeared from the face of the earth ?

Has this loud mouth chap disappeared from the face of the earth or is he afraid of Granger and the PNC ?

This Black Sheep sold out his parents values and principles to the PNC EVIL Dictatorship and has since remained silent.

Paging anyone who has some inside scoop on Jackass Joey.

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Amral posted:

I think he and his sister are disgusted as to the way the PPP is now. And who can blame them 

He focus should be why he had a BIG mouth when the PPP was in Govt, bad talking every policy and functions. Now he is quiet despite the remaking of the WORST Dictatorship on the Planet.

For the new generation that is starting to mature now. Jagan and Burnham are part of Guyana history that is all it is worth.

It's only a matter of time before a new clean party is created to erase all the corruption that is in Guyana now. 

Gilbakka posted:
 

The Civic section is alive but, not being in power, the PPP doesn't employ them. Sam Hinds is the most visible one. I think he is contented with his pension.

Stop your sycophantic nonsense.  At no point was Civic anything other than the PPP's amen chorus.  They never had anymore power than does the AFC now have.

Despite your screams Civic was a Bantustan where Cheddi's black allies were parked.  The fact that there were also Indians is irrelevant. 

Cheddi did NOTHING to dilute the Indian face of the PPP.  He saw blacks as dependent charity cases with nothing to offer in terms of leadership, nor did he recognize their right to have input in the running of Guyana.

Aside from Roger Luncheon who were the PPP blacks with any clout?  Don't say Ashton Chase!  Luncheon was so blinded by his communist ideology that he didn't even think that fighting for the rights of Afro Guyanese and mixed Guyanese when the PPP excluded them was irrelevant. 

When asked about exclusion of non Indians from top decision making positions Luncheon couldn't deny it, and he couldn't explain it either. What was apparent is that even though he was aware of this he did NOTHING to prevent it!

That is until APNU went after PPP blacks only then did Luncheon query as to why the PPP seemed concerned only about PPP Indians.

Demerara_Guy posted:

Civic section has been and is still a part of the of the PPPC group. 

And AFC is part of the coalition. Your point?  At least parts of the AFC can signal their disagreement with certain actions of APNU.

Does Civic even have the level of organization where this is possible?  Civic is as dead as the "R" in the PNC/R.

Keffer posted:
Nehru posted:

Amral, I do not want to disappoint you, but that will NOT happen in 2 decades. Currently, the PNC is putting their total focus on staying in POWER for a very long time by Hook or Crook!!!

Primarily by Crook !

It is sad to state the facts but what is it about Black leaders in Guyana rigging and becoming dictators ?

What drives them to repeating the same actions over and over again ?

Is it in their DNA to rig AND becoming dictators ?

Experts need to examine this phenomenon on Guyana.

 

caribny posted:
Gilbakka posted:
 

The Civic section is alive but, not being in power, the PPP doesn't employ them. Sam Hinds is the most visible one. I think he is contented with his pension.

Stop your sycophantic nonsense.  At no point was Civic anything other than the PPP's amen chorus.  They never had anymore power than does the AFC now have.

Despite your screams Civic was a Bantustan where Cheddi's black allies were parked.  The fact that there were also Indians is irrelevant. 

 

Either you're a liar or you're misrepresenting the purpose of Civic. Many people locally and internationally admired Cheddi Jagan but they openly and covertly expressed disfavor with his 'communist' ideology. To placate them, remove their concerns, and hopefully win more votes, Jagan set up the Civic consisting of representatives of the pro-capitalist business and professional classes, be they Indo, Afro or Portuguese. 

'Bantustan' was furthest from Jagan's mind. Parking 'black allies' is a figment of your racist imagination in your Brooklyn barracoon. And, yes, it's relevant that there were far more Indos than Afros in the Civic.

yuji22 posted:
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It is sad to state the facts but what is it about Black leaders in Guyana rigging and becoming dictators ?

 

 

Jagdeo is way more dictatorial than Granger but the racist that you are you cannot see this.  He consorted with drug dealers who had ties to various Colombian cartels and used them to intimidate those who he didn't like. 

You can chose to forget the invasion of KN by some of these hooligans, who then killed some of their employees and presumably tried to kill the owners and/or editorial staff.  True Burnham tactics but with all of his warts I have yet to see Granger engage in this.

The PPP, as it begins to see its tribal advantage vanish, was also beginning to engage in rigging tactics.  The insertion of fake ballots and other attempts to subvert the process was noted.  In addition when the vote turnout in G/T was much higher than the PPP anticipated they sent known PPP thugs around the city trying to antagonize the population/ The plot being to have violence erupt, and this allow them to cancel the election.

But its the Indo KKK racists and other tribalists who are unable to see that the PPP is just as hungry for power at all costs as is the PNC.  And will attempt to rig if they fear an electoral loss. 

Gilbakka posted:
 

 

 

'Bantustan' was furthest from Jagan's mind. Parking 'black allies' is a figment of your racist imagination in your Brooklyn barracoon. And, yes, it's relevant that there were far more Indos than Afros in the Civic.

You can jump and scream as you wish with your new found tribal loyalties but the Civic had no independence from the PPP than did the Bantustans of the apartheid era.

What did Civic do as the PPP descended into the "coolie people party" that even Rohee admitted that it was? 

When Luncheon was exposed as the impotent black stooge who admitted that blacks were under represented and marginalized by the PPP what did Uncle Tom stooges like Sam Hinds do but to wage war against the blacks who openly discussed this?

The only time Sam Hinds opened his mouth was to dump on blacks dropping PPP fecal matter on us. No wonder he was booed every time he showed up around black crowds!

Cheddi was dead by then so any misguided devotion that they had to him was no longer necessary!

Go ahead and insult Afro Guyanese who live in Brooklyn.  Now you are no different from yuji, and druggie who do the same!  I do NOT live in Brooklyn so your screams aren't directed against me!

caribny posted:
Gilbakka posted:
 

 

 

'Bantustan' was furthest from Jagan's mind. Parking 'black allies' is a figment of your racist imagination in your Brooklyn barracoon. And, yes, it's relevant that there were far more Indos than Afros in the Civic.

You can jump and scream as you wish with your new found tribal loyalties but the Civic had no independence from the PPP than did the Bantustans of the apartheid era.

What did Civic do as the PPP descended into the "coolie people party" that even Rohee admitted that it was? 

When Luncheon was exposed as the impotent black stooge who admitted that blacks were under represented and marginalized by the PPP what did Uncle Tom stooges like Sam Hinds do but to wage war against the blacks who openly discussed this?

The only time Sam Hinds opened his mouth was to dump on blacks dropping PPP fecal matter on us. No wonder he was booed every time he showed up around black crowds!

Cheddi was dead by then so any misguided devotion that they had to him was no longer necessary!

Go ahead and insult Afro Guyanese who live in Brooklyn.  Now you are no different from yuji, and druggie who do the same!  I do NOT live in Brooklyn so your screams aren't directed against me!

 My comment was for Carib, not Brooklyn folks. My mistake that you live in Brooklyn.

And yes shortly after Cheddi won in 1992 he embarked on a strategy of demoralizing Afro Guyanese with his infamous "blacks at the bottom" rant.

When his tactics were uncovered he pretended as if he was referring to African Americans. 

Well aside from the fact that he was a FOREIGN head of state who didn't care one fig for black Americans the context where this comment was made was tied to an attempt to convey an image of the "illiterate Afro Guyanese".  This by citing a study which showed functional illiteracy to be statistically the same as it was among Indo Guyanese. Though Cheddi wanted to show a difference of less than one percentage point in favor of Indians to pretend that blacks were considerably more functionally illiterate than Indians.

This and he was exposed by some Afro Guyanese who had a quarterly magazine at the time.

So Gilbakka spare me your "Cheddi is a god" nonsense. Cheddi was  a monster who unleashed his PYO dogs of war in 1964 to destabilize the country because he did NOT want an election under the PR system!  In this he was no better than were Burnham and D'Aguiar who did the same in 1962/3 when they also wanted to destabilize the country in the hope of forcing early elections!

Gilbakka posted:

 

 My comment was for Carib, not Brooklyn folks. My mistake that you live in Brooklyn.

And as you now cultivate Indo KKK tactics you damn Afro Guyanese in Brooklyn when I do NOT live there!

You just exposed your growing racist tendencies as you return to that PPP plantation known as a cesspit for anti black hatred.

Go right ahead and call Brooklyn a barracoon because a large % of the Afro Caribbean live there, even though more than 50% in the NY area do NOT!

caribny posted:

And yes shortly after Cheddi won in 1992 he embarked on a strategy of demoralizing Afro Guyanese with his infamous "blacks at the bottom" rant.

When his tactics were uncovered he pretended as if he was referring to African Americans. 

Well aside from the fact that he was a FOREIGN head of state who didn't care one fig for black Americans the context where this comment was made was tied to an attempt to convey an image of the "illiterate Afro Guyanese".  This by citing a study which showed functional illiteracy to be statistically the same as it was among Indo Guyanese. Though Cheddi wanted to show a difference of less than one percentage point in favor of Indians to pretend that blacks were considerably more functionally illiterate than Indians.

This and he was exposed by some Afro Guyanese who had a quarterly magazine at the time.

So Gilbakka spare me your "Cheddi is a god" nonsense. Cheddi was  a monster who unleashed his PYO dogs of war in 1964 to destabilize the country because he did NOT want an election under the PR system!  In this he was no better than were Burnham and D'Aguiar who did the same in 1962/3 when they also wanted to destabilize the country in the hope of forcing early elections!

I never stated or implied that Cheddi is a god. Your racist mind told you so.

caribny posted:
Gilbakka posted:

 

 My comment was for Carib, not Brooklyn folks. My mistake that you live in Brooklyn.

And as you now cultivate Indo KKK tactics you damn Afro Guyanese in Brooklyn when I do NOT live there!

You just exposed your growing racist tendencies as you return to that PPP plantation known as a cesspit for anti black hatred.

Go right ahead and call Brooklyn a barracoon because a large % of the Afro Caribbean live there, even though more than 50% in the NY area do NOT!

You talk as if the PNC plantation is not a cesspool of anti-Indo hatred.

caribny posted:
Gilbakka posted:

 

 My comment was for Carib, not Brooklyn folks. My mistake that you live in Brooklyn.

And as you now cultivate Indo KKK tactics you damn Afro Guyanese in Brooklyn when I do NOT live there!

You just exposed your growing racist tendencies as you return to that PPP plantation known as a cesspit for anti black hatred.

Go right ahead and call Brooklyn a barracoon because a large % of the Afro Caribbean live there, even though more than 50% in the NY area do NOT!

My barracoon talk is in response to your racist plantation talk. Remember that you started your racist attacks against me.

Gilbakka posted:
caribny posted:
Gilbakka posted:

 

 My comment was for Carib, not Brooklyn folks. My mistake that you live in Brooklyn.

And as you now cultivate Indo KKK tactics you damn Afro Guyanese in Brooklyn when I do NOT live there!

You just exposed your growing racist tendencies as you return to that PPP plantation known as a cesspit for anti black hatred.

Go right ahead and call Brooklyn a barracoon because a large % of the Afro Caribbean live there, even though more than 50% in the NY area do NOT!

My barracoon talk is in response to your racist plantation talk. Remember that you started your racist attacks against me.

Gill, don't waste the time of the day with "blackman go kill abie"  writer, he is GNI poster boy for Racist. You notice ,he only posts towards the end of the day, waiting for racist instructions from Congress Place, he is the PNC press secretary, who comes out to rebut all earlier posts . His Sole purpose is to spread racial HATE.

yuji22 posted:

Has this loud mouth chap disappeared from the face of the earth or is he afraid of Granger and the PNC ?

This Black Sheep sold out his parents values and principles to the PNC EVIL Dictatorship and has since remained silent.

Paging anyone who has some inside scoop on Jackass Joey.

Haven't heard anything about him in a while.  I did see Nadira Jagan in NYC at an event this summer.  Think she is his daughter.

Gilbakka posted:
caribny posted:
Gilbakka posted:
 

The Civic section is alive but, not being in power, the PPP doesn't employ them. Sam Hinds is the most visible one. I think he is contented with his pension.

Stop your sycophantic nonsense.  At no point was Civic anything other than the PPP's amen chorus.  They never had anymore power than does the AFC now have.

Despite your screams Civic was a Bantustan where Cheddi's black allies were parked.  The fact that there were also Indians is irrelevant. 

 

Either you're a liar or you're misrepresenting the purpose of Civic. Many people locally and internationally admired Cheddi Jagan but they openly and covertly expressed disfavor with his 'communist' ideology. To placate them, remove their concerns, and hopefully win more votes, Jagan set up the Civic consisting of representatives of the pro-capitalist business and professional classes, be they Indo, Afro or Portuguese. 

'Bantustan' was furthest from Jagan's mind. Parking 'black allies' is a figment of your racist imagination in your Brooklyn barracoon. And, yes, it's relevant that there were far more Indos than Afros in the Civic.

Bhai, CBJ would do any and everthing to be the HEAD of any movement. So determined, he rather let the PPP split and turn the country into hate.

Siding wth Rodney, then realizing he was going to be displaced. Feeling threatened by the WPA, he quietly distanced himself from Rodney.

Then GUARD was going to make him irrelevant.

He quickly nullified the efforts of Paul Tennessse when he Cheddie was giving critical support to the PNC.

Then he created his own version of the CIVIL SOCIETY, the "Civic" in which he pulled Sam Hinds from GUARD. I doan know what he promised Hinds, maybe to be a useless Prime Minister like Nagamootoo. CBJ certainly belittled the man.

He also killed the vibrancy of GUARD which could have stood up to Janet, Jagdeo and Granger.

I will always maintain, that communist never cared one iota for Guyanese people. He had too much ego disguised as a caring person.  

seignet posted:
Gilbakka posted:
caribny posted:
Gilbakka posted:
 

The Civic section is alive but, not being in power, the PPP doesn't employ them. Sam Hinds is the most visible one. I think he is contented with his pension.

Stop your sycophantic nonsense.  At no point was Civic anything other than the PPP's amen chorus.  They never had anymore power than does the AFC now have.

Despite your screams Civic was a Bantustan where Cheddi's black allies were parked.  The fact that there were also Indians is irrelevant. 

 

Either you're a liar or you're misrepresenting the purpose of Civic. Many people locally and internationally admired Cheddi Jagan but they openly and covertly expressed disfavor with his 'communist' ideology. To placate them, remove their concerns, and hopefully win more votes, Jagan set up the Civic consisting of representatives of the pro-capitalist business and professional classes, be they Indo, Afro or Portuguese. 

'Bantustan' was furthest from Jagan's mind. Parking 'black allies' is a figment of your racist imagination in your Brooklyn barracoon. And, yes, it's relevant that there were far more Indos than Afros in the Civic.

Bhai, CBJ would do any and everthing to be the HEAD of any movement. So determined, he rather let the PPP split and turn the country into hate.

Siding wth Rodney, then realizing he was going to be displaced. Feeling threatened by the WPA, he quietly distanced himself from Rodney.

Then GUARD was going to make him irrelevant.

He quickly nullified the efforts of Paul Tennessse when he Cheddie was giving critical support to the PNC.

Then he created his own version of the CIVIL SOCIETY, the "Civic" in which he pulled Sam Hinds from GUARD. I doan know what he promised Hinds, maybe to be a useless Prime Minister like Nagamootoo. CBJ certainly belittled the man.

He also killed the vibrancy of GUARD which could have stood up to Janet, Jagdeo and Granger.

I will always maintain, that communist never cared one iota for Guyanese people. He had too much ego disguised as a caring person.  

But u know all of dat.

kp posted:
Gilbakka posted:
caribny posted:
Gilbakka posted:

 

 My comment was for Carib, not Brooklyn folks. My mistake that you live in Brooklyn.

And as you now cultivate Indo KKK tactics you damn Afro Guyanese in Brooklyn when I do NOT live there!

You just exposed your growing racist tendencies as you return to that PPP plantation known as a cesspit for anti black hatred.

Go right ahead and call Brooklyn a barracoon because a large % of the Afro Caribbean live there, even though more than 50% in the NY area do NOT!

My barracoon talk is in response to your racist plantation talk. Remember that you started your racist attacks against me.

Gill, don't waste the time of the day with "blackman go kill abie"  writer, he is GNI poster boy for Racist. You notice ,he only posts towards the end of the day, waiting for racist instructions from Congress Place, he is the PNC press secretary, who comes out to rebut all earlier posts . His Sole purpose is to spread racial HATE.

That cannibal is mistaken if he thinks that he can boil me in his racial cauldron. Look at the many racially charged words he pelts my way. When I respond accordingly he is offended.

caribny posted:
Gilbakka posted:
 

The Civic section is alive but, not being in power, the PPP doesn't employ them. Sam Hinds is the most visible one. I think he is contented with his pension.

Stop your sycophantic nonsense.  At no point was Civic anything other than the PPP's amen chorus.  They never had anymore power than does the AFC now have.

Despite your screams Civic was a Bantustan where Cheddi's black allies were parked.  The fact that there were also Indians is irrelevant. 

Cheddi did NOTHING to dilute the Indian face of the PPP.  He saw blacks as dependent charity cases with nothing to offer in terms of leadership, nor did he recognize their right to have input in the running of Guyana.

Aside from Roger Luncheon who were the PPP blacks with any clout?  Don't say Ashton Chase!  Luncheon was so blinded by his communist ideology that he didn't even think that fighting for the rights of Afro Guyanese and mixed Guyanese when the PPP excluded them was irrelevant. 

When asked about exclusion of non Indians from top decision making positions Luncheon couldn't deny it, and he couldn't explain it either. What was apparent is that even though he was aware of this he did NOTHING to prevent it!

That is until APNU went after PPP blacks only then did Luncheon query as to why the PPP seemed concerned only about PPP Indians.

What about Benn? What about Jeffery? Collimore?  But then again, through your ethnic lens, they had no power.  For you, they had no authority, not even over their ministries. you will see them as lacking any power. You state your warped opinions and pose them as facts. You set up paper tigers so you can shoot then down and thereby spew your racist diatribe.

The same argument might hold for amina Ally, ramsaroop, and other Indo Guyanese who are in the leadership of the PNC. Where is the Reform? What happened to jerome Khan and Ming?

Ben Jr was a good Minister but Ben Sr brutal curse out of Dr. Jagan after he left the PPP will not go down good with rural PPP voters.  Jeffery was PNC and is Ralph's sidekick it will not go down well with PPP voters.  My selection is Joey Jagan / Bob Collymore.  A PPP winning team.

caribny posted:
yuji22 posted:
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It is sad to state the facts but what is it about Black leaders in Guyana rigging and becoming dictators ?

 

 

Jagdeo is way more dictatorial than Granger but the racist that you are you cannot see this.  He consorted with drug dealers who had ties to various Colombian cartels and used them to intimidate those who he didn't like. 

You can chose to forget the invasion of KN by some of these hooligans, who then killed some of their employees and presumably tried to kill the owners and/or editorial staff.  True Burnham tactics but with all of his warts I have yet to see Granger engage in this.

The PPP, as it begins to see its tribal advantage vanish, was also beginning to engage in rigging tactics.  The insertion of fake ballots and other attempts to subvert the process was noted.  In addition when the vote turnout in G/T was much higher than the PPP anticipated they sent known PPP thugs around the city trying to antagonize the population/ The plot being to have violence erupt, and this allow them to cancel the election.

But its the Indo KKK racists and other tribalists who are unable to see that the PPP is just as hungry for power at all costs as is the PNC.  And will attempt to rig if they fear an electoral loss. 

Please support with verifiable facts your statements that the ppp inserted fake ballots  and other attempts to  subvert the electoral process. Also facts to prove that the PPP was responsible as you implied for the killing of KN  newspaper. or that Jagdeo had  close association to Colombia  drug cartels. I genuinely want this info.

Your assertion that Jagdeo was more dictatorial than a Granger is debatable. Other than your unproved, unverified claims about drug connection which is not supported with evidence, you have provided not much. 

For  granger, we know that he breached the constitution several time, including the stopping of the  police promotions, cancelling the land lease to farmers, not obeying the ruling of the Chief Justice on the selection of the the Chairman of GECOM.

As as an aside  you might want to employ your brain on how Glen Lall amassed his money and with whom he had associated as he did and consider blowback from his activities. This is what you get from parking yourself abroad and not knowing whatREALLY happens in Guyana.

As far as I remember, it was PNC mob that burned down house and attacked people. It was PNC operatives that intimidated PPP polling agents in GT,  Linden and Bartica, Buxton, which might explain the "massive turnout" in those areas. It was pnc that posted their operatives near polling stations in other areas in an attempt to intimidate voters.

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