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GuySuCo gains access to new markets in Italy, Canada, USA – Board

Stakeholders in the sugar sector have their fingers crossed for a boost in the industry’s export earnings, with its breakthrough into new markets. These markets include Italy, Canada and the USA.

This is according to the Board Members of the Guyana Sugar Corporation (GuySuCo).
In 2015, the Corporation said that it continued to trade in the markets that it has been historically supplying with bulk raw brown sugar and direct consumption (value added) sugar.
The Board said that these markets remain a strong focus for the entity.
Additionally, the Marketing Department of the state owned company said that it continues to work with the Corporation’s marketing agent Czarnikow Group Limited to seek out new opportunities and markets worldwide.
This effort has led to the Corporation being able to enter into a new market within Europe, namely Italy, by supplying the customer with Demerara specials, packed in one tonne sacks.
This endeavor also enabled the Corporation to penetrate the Canadian marketplace with its direct consumption sugar. Also, the Corporation was able to re-enter the United States of America (USA) market last year with its branded sugar ‘Enmore Crystals’.

GuySuCo, Chairman Dr. Clive Thomas

GuySuCo, Chairman Dr. Clive Thomas

According to Chairman of the Guyana Sugar Corporation (GuySuCo), Dr. Clive Thomas, ‘Enmore Crystals’ is only being done in small quantities for the markets in Canada, USA and Britain.”
The GuySuCo Chairman said that the Board and Management believe that the packaged sugar will do better than “the ordinary sugar sold in the transparent plastic bag.”
He noted that samples are already being taken to the three markets he outlined, among other places where contacts are made.
Dr. Thomas said, “We are trying to penetrate the market with small quantities and build up as time goes. We are basically doing this to see how we can get a higher price for our sugar. And so far, it has been receiving favourable reviews from our international contacts, so we are looking to see how this works out but there are other plans in the pipeline for the diversification of this product and bringing the industry back to good health.”
The Economist noted that signs of good health in the local sugar industry are already being detected.
For years, the Guyana Sugar Corporation (GuySuCo) has been performing poorly.
Several sugar estates were failing to meet weekly and annual production targets, and the management of the State-owned company, among other factors, was blamed for the industry’s poor health.
However, Board Members recently noted that last year was certainly a period of “radical change” for the sugar industry.
Subsequent to the change in Government, and in recognition of the plight the sugar industry was in, the Board said that shareholders of GuySuCo appointed an Interim Management Committee (IMC) in June 2015 and a new Board of Directors thereafter.
The Board and Interim Management were confronted with many challenges, which included a weakened and demoralized management team, a very adversarial Industrial Relations climate, low sugar prices, declining production levels, high operational costs, serious loss making, a huge debt burden and consequently a major liquidity crisis.
The Board said, “It was evident that the sugar industry was in need of major reorganization; that it could no longer be business as usual. The Board and management team proceeded to develop urgently, a series of initiatives to arrest the situation while the elements of a longer term strategy were being contemplated.”
Given the gravity of the situation, the Board members reminded that the Government, in July 2015, appointed a Commission of Inquiry (COI) to look into the sugar industry, and make recommendations for its return to financial and economic viability.
The Commission Report was submitted to the shareholders in October 2015 outlining the Commissioners’ evaluations of the most economical options for the sugar industry to pursue.
The Board noted that the Commission’s main recommendation was that there should be no closure of any estate but that the Corporation should be privatized within three years. It recalled that other sections of the report pointed to diversification away from the reliance on sugar as an option.
Furthermore, the GuySuCo Board said that there were several initiatives identified in 2015 for implementation this year so as to reduce the operating cost, cash deficit, and/or generate funds for the Corporation.
They said that some of these initiatives included the merging of Wales and Uitvlugt Estates, transitioning the Wales cultivation from sugar cane to other crops and aquaculture, completion of the integration of the La Bonne Intention and Enmore Estates into the East Demerara Estate, relocation of the Information Systems and Head Office Departments from Ogle Estate to the former LBI Estate Compound, the sale of non / under – performing assets in particular lands, and the cost recovery of drainage and irrigation now benefiting external parties.
Additionally, the Board said that it was very encouraged by some of the achievements of the Corporation during the second half of the year 2015.
It said that the second crop’s production reflected a significant improvement over previous years.
Members said that there was a greater sense of purpose across the industry. However, the Board noted that the underlying and deep rooted problems remained which would best be addressed through the reorganization process. The GuySuCo Board said that a new strategic direction for the Corporation is currently being developed.

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skeldon_man posted:
Nehru posted:

Great work by Guysuco.

Hope they can get enough sugar cane to supply the factories.

Instead of selling bulk sugar at knock prices they are attempted to find markets for processed sugar.  This is what the PPP should have been doing instead of stealing money from Guysuco, and handing out Guysuco land at knock down prices to their real estate speculator friends.

FM
caribny posted:
skeldon_man posted:
Nehru posted:

Great work by Guysuco.

Hope they can get enough sugar cane to supply the factories.

Instead of selling bulk sugar at knock prices they are attempted to find markets for processed sugar.  This is what the PPP should have been doing instead of stealing money from Guysuco, and handing out Guysuco land at knock down prices to their real estate speculator friends.

Jackass Clive Thomas once again trying to postpone the inevitable, the collapse of the sugar industry. You PNC apologists really believe that pre packaged sugar will save the industry?  The root of the problem lies in the PNC inability to produce sugar at a competitive cost on the world market. These idiots are not trying to coverup inefficiency instead of fixing the root of the problem. 

FM
Drugb posted:
 

Jackass Clive Thomas once again trying to postpone the inevitable, the collapse of the sugar industry. 

Druggie quit being a braying jackass. Even Jagdeo has now admitted that the problems of Guysuco began under the PPP, so its the PPP that should share at least some of the blame.

Now if the PNC shuts down Guysuco all of the Indians will go screaming, crying, and wailing to the United Nations ranting that "blackman in Guyana a starve ahbe". Conveniently omitted to mention the millions of dollars that this same blackman government has pumped into this monstrosity created by Jagdeo.

So they try to increase yields by selling higher margin product.  And you bray. Bet if they shut down Guysuco and tens of thousands of Indians end up walking the streets destitute you will blame blacks.

FM
caribny posted:
skeldon_man posted:
Nehru posted:

Great work by Guysuco.

Hope they can get enough sugar cane to supply the factories.

Instead of selling bulk sugar at knock prices they are attempted to find markets for processed sugar.  This is what the PPP should have been doing instead of stealing money from Guysuco, and handing out Guysuco land at knock down prices to their real estate speculator friends.

Stop talking hot air.  The PPP tried that.  The problem there is not large unmet need and the added value is not that big.  So you make a big investment then struggle to get a foothold in the developed markets dominated by their own down streamers.  You talk like Burnham on his nationalization craze!

FM
caribny posted:
Drugb posted:
 

Jackass Clive Thomas once again trying to postpone the inevitable, the collapse of the sugar industry. 

Druggie quit being a braying jackass. Even Jagdeo has now admitted that the problems of Guysuco began under the PPP, so its the PPP that should share at least some of the blame.

Now if the PNC shuts down Guysuco all of the Indians will go screaming, crying, and wailing to the United Nations ranting that "blackman in Guyana a starve ahbe". Conveniently omitted to mention the millions of dollars that this same blackman government has pumped into this monstrosity created by Jagdeo.

So they try to increase yields by selling higher margin product.  And you bray. Bet if they shut down Guysuco and tens of thousands of Indians end up walking the streets destitute you will blame blacks.

The PNc in charge now, they own Guysuco's problems. No more excuses from this hapless government will be tolerated by the people. 

Granger said he will produce ethanol from the cane, but we have yet to see this come to fruition.   Granger is a coward, he refuse to follow through on his promise to close down Guysuco. 

They are not increasing yields, but merely covering up inefficiencies with value added smokescreen. What you pnc people are not tackling is the fact that the cost of production is not competitive. You folks bury your head in the sand and still refuse to address the core problem.  So far we have not heard any calls for increased mechanization or any ideas on how to make the industry more efficient. 

FM

The Eu is paying Guyana millions to find ways to stop exporting sugar yet these fools are continuing to find ways to be more dependent on sugar. They should be looking at other products for export.

Prashad
Drugb posted:
caribny posted:
Drugb posted:
 

Jackass Clive Thomas once again trying to postpone the inevitable, the collapse of the sugar industry. 

Druggie quit being a braying jackass. Even Jagdeo has now admitted that the problems of Guysuco began under the PPP, so its the PPP that should share at least some of the blame.

Now if the PNC shuts down Guysuco all of the Indians will go screaming, crying, and wailing to the United Nations ranting that "blackman in Guyana a starve ahbe". Conveniently omitted to mention the millions of dollars that this same blackman government has pumped into this monstrosity created by Jagdeo.

So they try to increase yields by selling higher margin product.  And you bray. Bet if they shut down Guysuco and tens of thousands of Indians end up walking the streets destitute you will blame blacks.

The PNc in charge now, they own Guysuco's problems. No more excuses from this hapless government will be tolerated by the people. 

Granger said he will produce ethanol from the cane, but we have yet to see this come to fruition.   Granger is a coward, he refuse to follow through on his promise to close down Guysuco. 

They are not increasing yields, but merely covering up inefficiencies with value added smokescreen. What you pnc people are not tackling is the fact that the cost of production is not competitive. You folks bury your head in the sand and still refuse to address the core problem.  So far we have not heard any calls for increased mechanization or any ideas on how to make the industry more efficient. 

This banna talk for talk sake and don't go beyond scratching the surface.  He is good at building castles out of sand.  There was one a notable AFCites who had all the solutions for Guysuco.  I think Harmon listened and sent him packing.

There are limited avenues for sugar due to supply and changing needs.  Many refineries are in the developed economies and, in many cases, are captive within the value chain of a larger vertical enterprise.  An option in this area is to do a deal with one of these enterprises and have a partnership as a supply source of refined sugar.

Another is to develop the local confectionery and beverage industry with an eye on export.  In any case, without more verticals in the economy, sugar will be doomed to a low-value activity and will always struggle.  The PNC, and their sidekick the AFC, did this in what they scuttled the Amelia power project.  To be viable, verticals need cheap and reliable power.

FM
Prashad posted:

There is a major switch in the world now from sugar to low carb sweetners like the Brazilian Stevia.

Stevia is great. I prefer to use instead of sugar. Don't need spoonfuls.

FM
Drugb posted:
caribny posted:
skeldon_man posted:
Nehru posted:

Great work by Guysuco.

Hope they can get enough sugar cane to supply the factories.

Instead of selling bulk sugar at knock prices they are attempted to find markets for processed sugar.  This is what the PPP should have been doing instead of stealing money from Guysuco, and handing out Guysuco land at knock down prices to their real estate speculator friends.

Jackass Clive Thomas once again trying to postpone the inevitable, the collapse of the sugar industry. You PNC apologists really believe that pre packaged sugar will save the industry?  The root of the problem lies in the PNC inability to produce sugar at a competitive cost on the world market. These idiots are not trying to coverup inefficiency instead of fixing the root of the problem. 

He has been a traveling lecturer to places like Harvard so why is he a jackass and you the smart one? And why is it being an apologist for saying sugar can be productive?

It has not been the PNC not able to produce sugar in a cost effective way. They have been there only a year and a half and it takes some 18 months for a sugar crop to reach maximum harvestable sucrose content. And it was not the production of cane but the fact the factory was under performing and also in efficient. The old albion plant produced a ton of sugar from 11 tons of cane. It takes 19 tons to do the same with this white elephant not to mention it is not the flawless energy efficient mill it was touted in its development literature.

FM
Danyael posted:
Drugb posted:
caribny posted:
skeldon_man posted:
Nehru posted:

Great work by Guysuco.

Hope they can get enough sugar cane to supply the factories.

Instead of selling bulk sugar at knock prices they are attempted to find markets for processed sugar.  This is what the PPP should have been doing instead of stealing money from Guysuco, and handing out Guysuco land at knock down prices to their real estate speculator friends.

Jackass Clive Thomas once again trying to postpone the inevitable, the collapse of the sugar industry. You PNC apologists really believe that pre packaged sugar will save the industry?  The root of the problem lies in the PNC inability to produce sugar at a competitive cost on the world market. These idiots are not trying to coverup inefficiency instead of fixing the root of the problem. 

He has been a traveling lecturer to places like Harvard so why is he a jackass and you the smart one? And why is it being an apologist for saying sugar can be productive?

It has not been the PNC not able to produce sugar in a cost effective way. They have been there only a year and a half and it takes some 18 months for a sugar crop to reach maximum harvestable sucrose content. And it was not the production of cane but the fact the factory was under performing and also in efficient. The old albion plant produced a ton of sugar from 11 tons of cane. It takes 19 tons to do the same with this white elephant not to mention it is not the flawless energy efficient mill it was touted in its development literature.

Did you ever do a study as to why? I am sure with your expertise you will be able to give us the answer in less than a week. Take a shot at it.

FM
skeldon_man posted:
Danyael posted:
Drugb posted:
caribny posted:
skeldon_man posted:
Nehru posted:

Great work by Guysuco.

Hope they can get enough sugar cane to supply the factories.

Instead of selling bulk sugar at knock prices they are attempted to find markets for processed sugar.  This is what the PPP should have been doing instead of stealing money from Guysuco, and handing out Guysuco land at knock down prices to their real estate speculator friends.

Jackass Clive Thomas once again trying to postpone the inevitable, the collapse of the sugar industry. You PNC apologists really believe that pre packaged sugar will save the industry?  The root of the problem lies in the PNC inability to produce sugar at a competitive cost on the world market. These idiots are not trying to coverup inefficiency instead of fixing the root of the problem. 

He has been a traveling lecturer to places like Harvard so why is he a jackass and you the smart one? And why is it being an apologist for saying sugar can be productive?

It has not been the PNC not able to produce sugar in a cost effective way. They have been there only a year and a half and it takes some 18 months for a sugar crop to reach maximum harvestable sucrose content. And it was not the production of cane but the fact the factory was under performing and also in efficient. The old albion plant produced a ton of sugar from 11 tons of cane. It takes 19 tons to do the same with this white elephant not to mention it is not the flawless energy efficient mill it was touted in its development literature.

Did you ever do a study as to why? I am sure with your expertise you will be able to give us the answer in less than a week. Take a shot at it.

Why ask me if I did a study as if you did one and is so authoritative on the matter. I have seen studies and took the time to read them which is more than you have done. I am sure I know more of the data there from the discussion to date than you do so quit the stupid yapping as if you know exactly what fits the bill. If you do, tell us.

FM
Danyael posted:
skeldon_man posted:
Danyael posted:
Drugb posted:
caribny posted:
skeldon_man posted:
Nehru posted:

Great work by Guysuco.

Hope they can get enough sugar cane to supply the factories.

Instead of selling bulk sugar at knock prices they are attempted to find markets for processed sugar.  This is what the PPP should have been doing instead of stealing money from Guysuco, and handing out Guysuco land at knock down prices to their real estate speculator friends.

Jackass Clive Thomas once again trying to postpone the inevitable, the collapse of the sugar industry. You PNC apologists really believe that pre packaged sugar will save the industry?  The root of the problem lies in the PNC inability to produce sugar at a competitive cost on the world market. These idiots are not trying to coverup inefficiency instead of fixing the root of the problem. 

He has been a traveling lecturer to places like Harvard so why is he a jackass and you the smart one? And why is it being an apologist for saying sugar can be productive?

It has not been the PNC not able to produce sugar in a cost effective way. They have been there only a year and a half and it takes some 18 months for a sugar crop to reach maximum harvestable sucrose content. And it was not the production of cane but the fact the factory was under performing and also in efficient. The old albion plant produced a ton of sugar from 11 tons of cane. It takes 19 tons to do the same with this white elephant not to mention it is not the flawless energy efficient mill it was touted in its development literature.

Did you ever do a study as to why? I am sure with your expertise you will be able to give us the answer in less than a week. Take a shot at it.

Why ask me if I did a study as if you did one and is so authoritative on the matter. I have seen studies and took the time to read them which is more than you have done. I am sure I know more of the data there from the discussion to date than you do so quit the stupid yapping as if you know exactly what fits the bill. If you do, tell us.

Remember, I was born in Skeldon. I know more about sugar production than you. I doubt you ever saw a sugar cane field or cane cutters at their task. I have seen the process from tillage to harvesting to manufacturing.  Breaking News: My family and I worked in the sugar industry. 
I do not criticize sugar; you do. I don't need to do a study. If you know better; put your two lil jills in; if not then zip it.

FM
skeldon_man posted:
Danyael posted:
skeldon_man posted:
Danyael posted:
Drugb posted:
caribny posted:
skeldon_man posted:
Nehru posted:

Great work by Guysuco.

Hope they can get enough sugar cane to supply the factories.

Instead of selling bulk sugar at knock prices they are attempted to find markets for processed sugar.  This is what the PPP should have been doing instead of stealing money from Guysuco, and handing out Guysuco land at knock down prices to their real estate speculator friends.

Jackass Clive Thomas once again trying to postpone the inevitable, the collapse of the sugar industry. You PNC apologists really believe that pre packaged sugar will save the industry?  The root of the problem lies in the PNC inability to produce sugar at a competitive cost on the world market. These idiots are not trying to coverup inefficiency instead of fixing the root of the problem. 

He has been a traveling lecturer to places like Harvard so why is he a jackass and you the smart one? And why is it being an apologist for saying sugar can be productive?

It has not been the PNC not able to produce sugar in a cost effective way. They have been there only a year and a half and it takes some 18 months for a sugar crop to reach maximum harvestable sucrose content. And it was not the production of cane but the fact the factory was under performing and also in efficient. The old albion plant produced a ton of sugar from 11 tons of cane. It takes 19 tons to do the same with this white elephant not to mention it is not the flawless energy efficient mill it was touted in its development literature.

Did you ever do a study as to why? I am sure with your expertise you will be able to give us the answer in less than a week. Take a shot at it.

Why ask me if I did a study as if you did one and is so authoritative on the matter. I have seen studies and took the time to read them which is more than you have done. I am sure I know more of the data there from the discussion to date than you do so quit the stupid yapping as if you know exactly what fits the bill. If you do, tell us.

Remember, I was born in Skeldon. I know more about sugar production than you. I doubt you ever saw a sugar cane field or cane cutters at their task. I have seen the process from tillage to harvesting to manufacturing.  Breaking News: My family and I worked in the sugar industry. 
I do not criticize sugar; you do. I don't need to do a study. If you know better; put your two lil jills in; if not then zip it.

Dude...you could have been conceived and delivered in a cane field and that does not mean a thing. I have also seen the production of cane through many cycles of production growing up but my information is not from there. I also swam in the cane canals and ate a lot of sugar cane but my information did not come from there. It is from the various analysis of the process from those who studied it and spoke of it.

FM
ba$eman posted:
 

Stop talking hot air.  The PPP tried that.  The problem there is not large unmet need and the added value is not that big.  So you make a big investment then struggle to get a foothold in the developed markets dominated by their own down streamers.  You talk like Burnham on his nationalization craze!

Mauritius sells value added sugar and they are rude enough to call it DEMERARA sugar.

Come again with your silly excuse.  There is no future in selling bulk sugar as Guyana is too high cost.

So your solution is to shut down Guysuco because Guyana is no more able to sustain it than they were able to sustain Guymine.  The PPP screwed up Guysuco and now no one wants it, so there will be no buyers, except for those interested in real estate speculation.

FM
ba$eman posted:
 

This banna talk for talk sake and don't go beyond scratching the surface. 

Another is to develop the local confectionery and beverage industry with an eye on export. 

If Guyana cannot create a demand for refined sugar why will they create a demand for candies and juices?  In fact Guyana struggles to market is branded rums, even though they win awards every where.

Guyanese, unlike Jamaicans, don't have a clue about creating a national brand image.  I bet f El Dorado was marketed as a Jamaican rum the demand would be so huge that they wouldn't be able to supply.

So let us deal with that problem. Guyana has no national image, and outside of Guyana, and the islands where Guyanese swarm to like unwanted locusts, no one can even image what a Guyanese is.

You do know that no one in the Eastern Caribbean makes refined sugar.  You do know that CARICOM has negotiated with the cruise lines deals for them to source some of their supplies from within CARICOM.

You have hotel chains like Sandals which can be markets.

No. You prefer bulk sugar sold at one third of the price that it costs to produce it, and the tax payers  be burdened to sustain the jobs of a dying breed of cane cutters. In fact every season brings with it problems in even finding people to cut cane!

FM
kp posted:

Clive Thomas don't know the difference between bamboo from sugar cane. He is talking of "packed" sugar is more marketable, dam-it, sugar is sugar but under PNC sugar has become "BITTER".

I suggest that you cease with your racist rant. Even Jagdeo NOW admits that Guysuco's problems are the fault of the PPP as the problems began then.

Your notion that its only the past 1 1/2 years is based on your own naked racism!

The day after the PPP lost the election Guysuco went to the coalition government wailing that they would have to lay off every one, but the security guards, and management if they don't get a bail out.

APNU could have said to Guysuco "drop dead because none of you all voted for us".  To their credit they didn't do to sugar workers what Jagdeo did to Bauxite workers.

FM
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APNU could have said to Guysuco "drop dead because none of you all voted for us".

 

Only a FILTH HEAD IDIOT would make such a statement so in his case very appropriate!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nehru
yuji22 posted:

This Jackass dinosaur has no idea, he is a clueless as the rest of the idiots in the AFC/PNC Jackass Cart.

Thomas-aug-14

It is obvious that you are not educated enough to know this scholar

Vish M
Django posted:
Nehru posted:

He has lost all credibility. He is just another soup drinker now.

Suh duh happen when he joined the current Gov't.

You can say so since the PNC killed his Leader and he knows it BUT MONEY TALKS and BULLSHIT WALKS!!!!

Nehru
Danyael posted:

He has been a traveling lecturer to places like Harvard so why is he a jackass and you the smart one? And why is it being an apologist for saying sugar can be productive?

It has not been the PNC not able to produce sugar in a cost effective way. They have been there only a year and a half and it takes some 18 months for a sugar crop to reach maximum harvestable sucrose content. And it was not the production of cane but the fact the factory was under performing and also in efficient. The old albion plant produced a ton of sugar from 11 tons of cane. It takes 19 tons to do the same with this white elephant not to mention it is not the flawless energy efficient mill it was touted in its development literature.

He is a jackass via his clear incompetent actions as chairman of Guysuco and "presidential advisor". We have yet to see any of his "advice" to the president bear fruit.  What qualified this jackass to be Guysuco Chairman other than a trophy position to compensate for his loyalty to the PNC?  

A Harvard speaker he is not for sure, as there is no documented evidence that this backwater pseudo intellect would ever be invited there. But let us pretend that he did speak at Harvard, then he is in similar incompetent company with Snooki of Jersey shore who also was paid to appear at Harvard. 

The fact remains that Skeldon now belongs to the PNC for 1 1/2 years and they have done zero to rectify its problems.  The inefficiency is not solely attributed to the factory but through all phases of the sugar making process from its cultivation, harvesting, transport, heavy labor intensive maintenance etc. 

You people don't want to do a deep dive into the issues that causes sugar to be unprofitable. Instead you take the superficial path of pointing fingers at a few issues. 

FM
Drugb posted:
Danyael posted:

He has been a traveling lecturer to places like Harvard so why is he a jackass and you the smart one? And why is it being an apologist for saying sugar can be productive?

It has not been the PNC not able to produce sugar in a cost effective way. They have been there only a year and a half and it takes some 18 months for a sugar crop to reach maximum harvestable sucrose content. And it was not the production of cane but the fact the factory was under performing and also in efficient. The old albion plant produced a ton of sugar from 11 tons of cane. It takes 19 tons to do the same with this white elephant not to mention it is not the flawless energy efficient mill it was touted in its development literature.

He is a jackass via his clear incompetent actions as chairman of Guysuco and "presidential advisor". We have yet to see any of his "advice" to the president bear fruit.  What qualified this jackass to be Guysuco Chairman other than a trophy position to compensate for his loyalty to the PNC?  

A Harvard speaker he is not for sure, as there is no documented evidence that this backwater pseudo intellect would ever be invited there. But let us pretend that he did speak at Harvard, then he is in similar incompetent company with Snooki of Jersey shore who also was paid to appear at Harvard. 

The fact remains that Skeldon now belongs to the PNC for 1 1/2 years and they have done zero to rectify its problems.  The inefficiency is not solely attributed to the factory but through all phases of the sugar making process from its cultivation, harvesting, transport, heavy labor intensive maintenance etc. 

You people don't want to do a deep dive into the issues that causes sugar to be unprofitable. Instead you take the superficial path of pointing fingers at a few issues. 

He is the most prodigious writer on our sugar industry. I do not know what specifically you know of that is better than he said that makes you think you are superior. If experience with your bilge is anything instructive it is just your big mouth flapping again.

And yes he has has done many summer lecture tours at Harvard. If you complain on things not changing in one and a half years in the industry where was your insight when the PPP ran it backwards to 1973 production levels. 

FM

There is substantial facts and marginal facts.  What is the size of each market gains?  A few hundred tonnes here and there?

Bean counters that is what Hanoman and Thomas are.  Celebrating peanuts and hiding billion dollar monsters in the closets.  That is not how to turn around the sugar industry.

FM

Quote from Thomas:

 

According to Chairman of the Guyana Sugar Corporation (GuySuCo), Dr. Clive Thomas, ‘Enmore Crystals’ is only being done in small quantities for the markets in Canada, USA and Britain.”
The GuySuCo Chairman said that the Board and Management believe that the packaged sugar will do better than “the ordinary sugar sold in the transparent plastic bag.”
He noted that samples are already being taken to the three markets he outlined, among other places where contacts are made.
Dr. Thomas said, “We are trying to penetrate the market with small quantities and build up as time goes.

FM
caribny posted:
ba$eman posted:
 

This banna talk for talk sake and don't go beyond scratching the surface. 

Another is to develop the local confectionery and beverage industry with an eye on export. 

If Guyana cannot create a demand for refined sugar why will they create a demand for candies and juices?  In fact Guyana struggles to market is branded rums, even though they win awards every where.

Guyanese, unlike Jamaicans, don't have a clue about creating a national brand image.  I bet f El Dorado was marketed as a Jamaican rum the demand would be so huge that they wouldn't be able to supply.

So let us deal with that problem. Guyana has no national image, and outside of Guyana, and the islands where Guyanese swarm to like unwanted locusts, no one can even image what a Guyanese is.

You do know that no one in the Eastern Caribbean makes refined sugar.  You do know that CARICOM has negotiated with the cruise lines deals for them to source some of their supplies from within CARICOM.

You have hotel chains like Sandals which can be markets.

No. You prefer bulk sugar sold at one third of the price that it costs to produce it, and the tax payers  be burdened to sustain the jobs of a dying breed of cane cutters. In fact every season brings with it problems in even finding people to cut cane!

There are point I agree and some I disagree with you.  I agree, Guyana is way behind Jamaica when it comes to developing its brands. Jamaica actually invest in building their brands with reps all over the world.  This is an area the PNC may want to explore.

On the issue of markets for refined sugar vs confectioneries, I don't agree, it's not the same.  However, unless you invest in building the brands, it ain't going to happen.  How come Grace (Jamaican) product are all over the WI stores and even in some Walmart?

On Mauritius being "rude", well someone was asleep at the switch and the brand was registered and taken.  So they are not rude.  Maybe Guyana has to acquire the license and use the name.  Not sure it matters at this point.  Maybe Guyana can brand theirs El Dorado (golden crystals)!

I agree with you Guyana has done a poor job building it's brands.  And this is non-partisan as both the PNC and PPP fell short here!  The problem I think, Guyanese are small thinkers and are excited over little things and hallow victories.

Our energies are focused on who will dominate who and who will benefit at the expense of who.  Nothing about the Guyanese mindset is about Guyana and what's good for Guyana.  It all about the PPP and the PNC constituencies.  It's a zero-sum game, we see it as one up and the other down.  And this clouds every issue and decision and nothing substantive ever happens.  I don't see this changing in our lifetime.  The PNC of today has embraced the tradition.

FM
Drugb posted:
 

The fact remains that Skeldon now belongs to the PNC for 1 1/2 years and they have done zero to rectify its problems.  The inefficiency is not solely attributed to the factory but through all phases of the sugar making process from its cultivation, harvesting, transport, heavy labor intensive maintenance etc. 

 

Oh so you FINALLY admit that APNU/AFC have to fix problems created by the PPP.

This year alone they have sunk almost US$60 million into this failing company all because they don't want Jagdeo to run around Guyana screaming "black man a starve ahbe", even as he sent Lindeners into starvation.

FM

These hardcore Anti-koolie racial haters love to BS but they are not stupid. They may be planning to market the sugar to white guilt. They may be planning to call the sugar "fair trade " and market it in packages with the image and story of the enmore martyrs. And sell these packages at University campuses and other places where white guilt usually hangout.

Prashad
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Prashad posted:

These hardcore Anti-koolie racial haters

So why don't you endorse APNU/AFC treating Guysuco workers as the PPP treated the bauxite workers. Selling the company and not caring one fig as to what happens to the workers as most lose their jobs.

FM
ba$eman posted:
caribny posted:
ba$eman posted:
 

This banna talk for talk sake and don't go beyond scratching the surface. 

Another is to develop the local confectionery and beverage industry with an eye on export. 

If Guyana cannot create a demand for refined sugar why will they create a demand for candies and juices?  In fact Guyana struggles to market is branded rums, even though they win awards every where.

Guyanese, unlike Jamaicans, don't have a clue about creating a national brand image.  I bet f El Dorado was marketed as a Jamaican rum the demand would be so huge that they wouldn't be able to supply.

So let us deal with that problem. Guyana has no national image, and outside of Guyana, and the islands where Guyanese swarm to like unwanted locusts, no one can even image what a Guyanese is.

You do know that no one in the Eastern Caribbean makes refined sugar.  You do know that CARICOM has negotiated with the cruise lines deals for them to source some of their supplies from within CARICOM.

You have hotel chains like Sandals which can be markets.

No. You prefer bulk sugar sold at one third of the price that it costs to produce it, and the tax payers  be burdened to sustain the jobs of a dying breed of cane cutters. In fact every season brings with it problems in even finding people to cut cane!

There are point I agree and some I disagree with you.  I agree, Guyana is way behind Jamaica when it comes to developing its brands. Jamaica actually invest in building their brands with reps all over the world.  This is an area the PNC may want to explore.

On the issue of markets for refined sugar vs confectioneries, I don't agree, it's not the same.  However, unless you invest in building the brands, it ain't going to happen.  How come Grace (Jamaican) product are all over the WI stores and even in some Walmart?

On Mauritius being "rude", well someone was asleep at the switch and the brand was registered and taken.  So they are not rude.  Maybe Guyana has to acquire the license and use the name.  Not sure it matters at this point.  Maybe Guyana can brand theirs El Dorado (golden crystals)!

I agree with you Guyana has done a poor job building it's brands.  And this is non-partisan as both the PNC and PPP fell short here!  The problem I think, Guyanese are small thinkers and are excited over little things and hallow victories.

Our energies are focused on who will dominate who and who will benefit at the expense of who.  Nothing about the Guyanese mindset is about Guyana and what's good for Guyana.  It all about the PPP and the PNC constituencies.  It's a zero-sum game, we see it as one up and the other down.  And this clouds every issue and decision and nothing substantive ever happens.  I don't see this changing in our lifetime.  The PNC of today has embraced the tradition.

Jamaicans are not stupid they know when to play up to the white man and white woman. They know when to pull out and show bob marley white daddy photo. They know when to put up the photo of Queen Elizabeth as their head of state. Let us not fool ourselves. That is the reason why they have those big hotels and grace kennedy products in cans.

Prashad
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caribny posted:
Prashad posted:

These hardcore Anti-koolie racial haters

So why don't you endorse APNU/AFC treating Guysuco workers as the PPP treated the bauxite workers. Selling the company and not caring one fig as to what happens to the workers as most lose their jobs.

Listen Carib you noticed I did not call you a hardcore anti-koolie racist today. So don't get me started.

 

Prashad
Danyael posted:
 

He is the most prodigious writer on our sugar industry. I do not know what specifically you know of that is better than he said that makes you think you are superior. If experience with your bilge is anything instructive it is just your big mouth flapping again.

And yes he has has done many summer lecture tours at Harvard. If you complain on things not changing in one and a half years in the industry where was your insight when the PPP ran it backwards to 1973 production levels. 

Writer and doer are totally two different animals. You yourself are a case which is a clear example where writing does not translate into competency.  

He has done no such tour, please post documented evidence of this.  

He is but a dummy who was put in charge of an industry of which he has no practical experience. 

FM
Drugb posted:
Danyael posted:
 

He is the most prodigious writer on our sugar industry. I do not know what specifically you know of that is better than he said that makes you think you are superior. If experience with your bilge is anything instructive it is just your big mouth flapping again.

And yes he has has done many summer lecture tours at Harvard. If you complain on things not changing in one and a half years in the industry where was your insight when the PPP ran it backwards to 1973 production levels. 

Writer and doer are totally two different animals. You yourself are a case which is a clear example where writing does not translate into competency.  

He has done no such tour, please post documented evidence of this.  

He is but a dummy who was put in charge of an industry of which he has no practical experience. 

Again you do not know a damn about me but for starters where hands on is concerned I can build a bike from scratch, a boat or repair any engine on electronic component in addition to taking care of your computer networks and programming in any of  a dozen programming language. And yes I can write better than you by a thousand paces and I can also explain things without the constant prejudicial notion I am better because of my genes. Further, I do not have to pretend others are less than me by assuming they are what they are not ie owning dollar stores or working behind the counter of one. The point here is you are a simpleton who argues to the man rather than the issues.

 

This fellow could have been your economic minister or some component of the PPP upper level administrative personnel if the PPP did not put race first. He has the credentials to speak to what he is writing about because most of what is necessary here to understand the industry is not solvable by one being in the muck but by analysis of the system from a synoptic view. It is about one knowing economies of scale, marketing, branding, product diversification and distribution and from what I read  of his writing he has most of that down. A wise man need not know how to do a thing. He must of necessity know how to gather together the people who know how to perform the tasks and create the symbiosis in the process that would result in the efficient execution of the task. He has that down also. 

The only dummy here is a simpleton being critical without  knowing or even able to  articulate  what are the components of the system he criticizes. First learn to write before presuming you can. You have not explained  a damn thing you think is wrong except the usual crap about you being smart to know others are dunces when you cannot even give us an idea of what you attribute are your knowledge of this system that makes you better than the gentleman you criticize.

FM
caribny posted:
Drugb posted:
 

The fact remains that Skeldon now belongs to the PNC for 1 1/2 years and they have done zero to rectify its problems.  The inefficiency is not solely attributed to the factory but through all phases of the sugar making process from its cultivation, harvesting, transport, heavy labor intensive maintenance etc. 

 

Oh so you FINALLY admit that APNU/AFC have to fix problems created by the PPP.

This year alone they have sunk almost US$60 million into this failing company all because they don't want Jagdeo to run around Guyana screaming "black man a starve ahbe", even as he sent Lindeners into starvation.

Listen clown, the PNC is the Govt now.  They inherited and have to deal with that nation's issues.  The PPP took over a bankrupt nation from the PNC and had to deal with that.  They could not complain and shrug on the issues, they had to pick up and run with it.  Whatever problems the PPP left unaddressed pales in comparison to what your PNC left.  Now, if you canot deal with that, run and hide under a rock!!

FM
Danyael posted:
Drugb posted:
Danyael posted:
 

He is the most prodigious writer on our sugar industry. I do not know what specifically you know of that is better than he said that makes you think you are superior. If experience with your bilge is anything instructive it is just your big mouth flapping again.

And yes he has has done many summer lecture tours at Harvard. If you complain on things not changing in one and a half years in the industry where was your insight when the PPP ran it backwards to 1973 production levels. 

Writer and doer are totally two different animals. You yourself are a case which is a clear example where writing does not translate into competency.  

He has done no such tour, please post documented evidence of this.  

He is but a dummy who was put in charge of an industry of which he has no practical experience. 

Again you do not know a damn about me but for starters where hands on is concerned I can build a bike from scratch, a boat or repair any engine on electronic component in addition to taking care of your computer networks and programming in any of  a dozen programming language. And yes I can write better than you by a thousand paces and I can also explain things without the constant prejudicial notion I am better because of my genes. Further, I do not have to pretend others are less than me by assuming they are what they are not ie owning dollar stores or working behind the counter of one. The point here is you are a simpleton who argues to the man rather than the issues.

 

This fellow could have been your economic minister or some component of the PPP upper level administrative personnel if the PPP did not put race first. He has the credentials to speak to what he is writing about because most of what is necessary here to understand the industry is not solvable by one being in the muck but by analysis of the system from a synoptic view. It is about one knowing economies of scale, marketing, branding, product diversification and distribution and from what I read  of his writing he has most of that down. A wise man need not know how to do a thing. He must of necessity know how to gather together the people who know how to perform the tasks and create the symbiosis in the process that would result in the efficient execution of the task. He has that down also. 

The only dummy here is a simpleton being critical without  knowing or even able to  articulate  what are the components of the system he criticizes. First learn to write before presuming you can. You have not explained  a damn thing you think is wrong except the usual crap about you being smart to know others are dunces when you cannot even give us an idea of what you attribute are your knowledge of this system that makes you better than the gentleman you criticize.

You sure about that? Did you get pass Basic or Cobol. Maybe you did Assembler or was it RPG II?

FM
caribny posted:
Drugb posted:
 

The fact remains that Skeldon now belongs to the PNC for 1 1/2 years and they have done zero to rectify its problems.  The inefficiency is not solely attributed to the factory but through all phases of the sugar making process from its cultivation, harvesting, transport, heavy labor intensive maintenance etc. 

 

Oh so you FINALLY admit that APNU/AFC have to fix problems created by the PPP.

This year alone they have sunk almost US$60 million into this failing company all because they don't want Jagdeo to run around Guyana screaming "black man a starve ahbe", even as he sent Lindeners into starvation.

The problem was not created by the PPP. It existed back to the colonial days where an antiquated system was perpetuated through the 28 years of PNC and 24 of PPP and propped up by the EU subsidies. Now that the subsidies are gone, the PNC has to determine the way forward.  This is what they promised when in opposition, now we are waiting for them to deliver.

FM
Danyael posted:
 
 

Again you do not know a damn about me but for starters where hands on is concerned I can build a bike from scratch, a boat or repair any engine on electronic component in addition to taking care of your computer networks and programming in any of  a dozen programming language. And yes I can write better than you by a thousand paces and I can also explain things without the constant prejudicial notion I am better because of my genes. Further, I do not have to pretend others are less than me by assuming they are what they are not ie owning dollar stores or working behind the counter of one. The point here is you are a simpleton who argues to the man rather than the issues.

 

This fellow could have been your economic minister or some component of the PPP upper level administrative personnel if the PPP did not put race first. He has the credentials to speak to what he is writing about because most of what is necessary here to understand the industry is not solvable by one being in the muck but by analysis of the system from a synoptic view. It is about one knowing economies of scale, marketing, branding, product diversification and distribution and from what I read  of his writing he has most of that down. A wise man need not know how to do a thing. He must of necessity know how to gather together the people who know how to perform the tasks and create the symbiosis in the process that would result in the efficient execution of the task. He has that down also. 

The only dummy here is a simpleton being critical without  knowing or even able to  articulate  what are the components of the system he criticizes. First learn to write before presuming you can. You have not explained  a damn thing you think is wrong except the usual crap about you being smart to know others are dunces when you cannot even give us an idea of what you attribute are your knowledge of this system that makes you better than the gentleman you criticize.

You are a talker not a doer. Any idiot with a keyboard can claim to have all the virtues you describe above. But the fact is over the years your writings have clearly shown you to be but a pretender, starting with the "sakiwinki is a bird" to your support for the PNC.

With regards to Clive, the proof is in the pudding, all his theoritical accomplishments in the past did not translate to any tangible physical accomplishments during the past 1 1/2 years.  He turned out to be just another soup drinker leeching off the Guyanese tax payers. 

FM
Drugb posted:
Danyael posted:
 
 

Again you do not know a damn about me but for starters where hands on is concerned I can build a bike from scratch, a boat or repair any engine on electronic component in addition to taking care of your computer networks and programming in any of  a dozen programming language. And yes I can write better than you by a thousand paces and I can also explain things without the constant prejudicial notion I am better because of my genes. Further, I do not have to pretend others are less than me by assuming they are what they are not ie owning dollar stores or working behind the counter of one. The point here is you are a simpleton who argues to the man rather than the issues.

 

This fellow could have been your economic minister or some component of the PPP upper level administrative personnel if the PPP did not put race first. He has the credentials to speak to what he is writing about because most of what is necessary here to understand the industry is not solvable by one being in the muck but by analysis of the system from a synoptic view. It is about one knowing economies of scale, marketing, branding, product diversification and distribution and from what I read  of his writing he has most of that down. A wise man need not know how to do a thing. He must of necessity know how to gather together the people who know how to perform the tasks and create the symbiosis in the process that would result in the efficient execution of the task. He has that down also. 

The only dummy here is a simpleton being critical without  knowing or even able to  articulate  what are the components of the system he criticizes. First learn to write before presuming you can. You have not explained  a damn thing you think is wrong except the usual crap about you being smart to know others are dunces when you cannot even give us an idea of what you attribute are your knowledge of this system that makes you better than the gentleman you criticize.

You are a talker not a doer. Any idiot with a keyboard can claim to have all the virtues you describe above. But the fact is over the years your writings have clearly shown you to be but a pretender, starting with the "sakiwinki is a bird" to your support for the PNC.

With regards to Clive, the proof is in the pudding, all his theoritical accomplishments in the past did not translate to any tangible physical accomplishments during the past 1 1/2 years.  He turned out to be just another soup drinker leeching off the Guyanese tax payers. 

I guess you are a doer by imagining like you imagine what I said and what I do and what I look like when all of it is outside your domain of even your imagination.

No need to talk of what Dr Thomas is or is not because you are still in that make believe world where your stupid bigotry dominates your thinking.

FM
Drugb posted:
Danyael posted:

Again you do not know a damn about me but for starters where hands on is concerned I can build a bike from scratch, a boat or repair any engine on electronic component in addition to taking care of your computer networks and programming in any of  a dozen programming language. And yes I can write better than you by a thousand paces and I can also explain things without the constant prejudicial notion I am better because of my genes. Further, I do not have to pretend others are less than me by assuming they are what they are not ie owning dollar stores or working behind the counter of one. The point here is you are a simpleton who argues to the man rather than the issues.

 

This fellow could have been your economic minister or some component of the PPP upper level administrative personnel if the PPP did not put race first. He has the credentials to speak to what he is writing about because most of what is necessary here to understand the industry is not solvable by one being in the muck but by analysis of the system from a synoptic view. It is about one knowing economies of scale, marketing, branding, product diversification and distribution and from what I read  of his writing he has most of that down. A wise man need not know how to do a thing. He must of necessity know how to gather together the people who know how to perform the tasks and create the symbiosis in the process that would result in the efficient execution of the task. He has that down also. 

The only dummy here is a simpleton being critical without  knowing or even able to  articulate  what are the components of the system he criticizes. First learn to write before presuming you can. You have not explained  a damn thing you think is wrong except the usual crap about you being smart to know others are dunces when you cannot even give us an idea of what you attribute are your knowledge of this system that makes you better than the gentleman you criticize.

You are a talker not a doer. Any idiot with a keyboard can claim to have all the virtues you describe above. But the fact is over the years your writings have clearly shown you to be but a pretender, starting with the "sakiwinki is a bird" to your support for the PNC.

And that he does well, very well!

FM
Danyael posted
 

I guess you are a doer by imagining like you imagine what I said and what I do and what I look like when all of it is outside your domain of even your imagination.

No need to talk of what Dr Thomas is or is not because you are still in that make believe world where your stupid bigotry dominates your thinking.

Surprise surprise, I expected you  to rebutt by stating the accomplishments made by Clive during his tenure as Chairman and Advisor over the past  1/2 years but I suppose empty vessels makes the most noise.  A big fat zero, wine down and bacchanal is the forte of these pseudo intellecutals that you support.

FM
Drugb posted:
Danyael posted
 

I guess you are a doer by imagining like you imagine what I said and what I do and what I look like when all of it is outside your domain of even your imagination.

No need to talk of what Dr Thomas is or is not because you are still in that make believe world where your stupid bigotry dominates your thinking.

Surprise surprise, I expected you  to rebutt by stating the accomplishments made by Clive during his tenure as Chairman and Advisor over the past  1/2 years but I suppose empty vessels makes the most noise.  A big fat zero, wine down and bacchanal is the forte of these pseudo intellecutals that you support.

I am not wasting my time with the real empty head. I have heard nothing worthy of a criticism that pertains to this matter. To date you have just huffed and puffed nonsense. That would be the thing "do" if one is to be remotely close to "doing" on the site

FM
Danyael posted:
Drugb posted:
Danyael posted
 

I guess you are a doer by imagining like you imagine what I said and what I do and what I look like when all of it is outside your domain of even your imagination.

No need to talk of what Dr Thomas is or is not because you are still in that make believe world where your stupid bigotry dominates your thinking.

Surprise surprise, I expected you  to rebutt by stating the accomplishments made by Clive during his tenure as Chairman and Advisor over the past  1/2 years but I suppose empty vessels makes the most noise.  A big fat zero, wine down and bacchanal is the forte of these pseudo intellecutals that you support.

I am not wasting my time with the real empty head. I have heard nothing worthy of a criticism that pertains to this matter. To date you have just huffed and puffed nonsense. That would be the thing "do" if one is to be remotely close to "doing" on the site

Sure, what a cop out, you can't find a single accomplishment of this idiot Clive so you digress. 

FM
Drugb posted:
Danyael posted:
Drugb posted:
Danyael posted
 

I guess you are a doer by imagining like you imagine what I said and what I do and what I look like when all of it is outside your domain of even your imagination.

No need to talk of what Dr Thomas is or is not because you are still in that make believe world where your stupid bigotry dominates your thinking.

Surprise surprise, I expected you  to rebutt by stating the accomplishments made by Clive during his tenure as Chairman and Advisor over the past  1/2 years but I suppose empty vessels makes the most noise.  A big fat zero, wine down and bacchanal is the forte of these pseudo intellecutals that you support.

I am not wasting my time with the real empty head. I have heard nothing worthy of a criticism that pertains to this matter. To date you have just huffed and puffed nonsense. That would be the thing "do" if one is to be remotely close to "doing" on the site

Sure, what a cop out, you can't find a single accomplishment of this idiot Clive so you digress. 

As I said, I will not play your game. You do not want to address what the man said but insist on denigrating him. He is a professor, has a PhD, wrote a lot and that is enough for most except sniveling whiners like you

FM
Danyael posted:
As I said, I will not play your game. You do not want to address what the man said but insist on denigrating him. He is a professor, has a PhD, wrote a lot and that is enough for most except sniveling whiners like you

There is no game afoot here, a simple request to state his value to Guysuco and the office of the president is asking too much?  I am not interested in his academic accomplishments as it is useless if it does not translate into practical use.  So far we see this idiot no being able to make a difference for the better in Guysuco and the overall sugar industry in Guyana. 

FM
Prashad posted:
 

Jamaicans are not stupid they know when to play up to the white man and white woman. They know when to pull out and show bob marley white daddy photo. They know when to put up the photo of Queen Elizabeth as their head of state. Let us not fool ourselves. That is the reason why they have those big hotels and grace kennedy products in cans.

This from a man who married a half white woman. Guess you couldn't get a full white woman so you settled for a diluted one.

FM
Drugb posted:
 

You are a talker not a doer.

Aside from engaging in personal attacks on people considerably more intelligent and accomplished than you what do you do?  You boast of your family, as you apparently have done nothing of which you can be proud.

FM
caribny posted:
Drugb posted:
 

You are a talker not a doer.

Aside from engaging in personal attacks on people considerably more intelligent and accomplished than you what do you do?  You boast of your family, as you apparently have done nothing of which you can be proud.

You too are a talker and not a doer. Why didn't you heed Granger's call  to invest in Guyana? Instead you fled the scene and left the man high and dry. 

FM
Drugb posted:
 

You too are a talker and not a doer. Why didn't you heed Granger's call  to invest in Guyana? Instead you fled the scene and left the man high and dry. 

Did I ever tell you that I was impressed with Granger? I am not.

You worshipped the ground that Jagdeo walked on, called him Lord and Master, and here you are doing your little coding job, scared stiff that some little kid from Bangalore, or even Lagos, will replace you.

FM
Drugb posted:
 

The problem was not created by the PPP. It existed back to the colonial days where an antiquated system was perpetuated through the 28 years of PNC and 24 of PPP and propped up by the EU subsidies. Now that the subsidies are gone, the PNC has to determine the way forward.  This is what they promised when in opposition, now we are waiting for them to deliver.

Bookers was a highly profitable company when it was nationalized. In fact its Guyana operations generated so much cash that it emerged as a sizeable UK company after decades of minting money from its British Guiana operations.

The EU told Jagdeo to shift to something other than sugar, and even gave him millions to assist sugar workers to move to other activities. Even as Jagdeo screamed that the UK was betraying Guyana by allowing the EU to cut its prices paid by more than 1/3,  Jagdeo spent millions to build a new factory.

Lots of people told Jagdeo that expanding the sugar industry was an error and that he should begin a gradual shift from bulk raw sugar to more value added activities, and/or to other crops.

Jagdeo screamed that he was an expert. When folks told him to get a Australian or Brazilian company to build the factory, given his ill advised insistence that he should, Jagdeo found some fly by night bunch of charlatans from China. Most likely because he and his buddies received bribes, which neither the Brazilians, nor the Australians were going to do.

Guysuco's costs, already high, soared, just as the price tumbled.  Guysuco became a huge drain. It is now the recipient of over US$600 million of bailouts and is also hundreds of millions of dollars in debt.

Even Jagdeo now admits that the PPP bears much of the blame for Guysuco's predicament.  Why did he expand sugar when the EU was cutting prices, and it was obvious that Guyana couldn't complete in the global markets?

FM
Prashad posted:

The Eu is paying Guyana millions to find ways to stop exporting sugar yet these fools are continuing to find ways to be more dependent on sugar. They should be looking at other products for export.

And you say nothing about Jagdeo who screams "black man a starve ahbe" when APNU tries to reduce the size of Guysuco in an attempt to reduce losses.

Jagdeo wants Guysuco to be EXPANDED. He took EU money which was meant to facilitate a transition from raw bulk sugar to build Skeldon, so that he could export more raw sugar. Even as other CARICOM exporters took this as a signal to shut down, or reduce the size of their industries Jagdeo EXPANDED, or tried to expand.  Even as Guyana's production costs were multiples more than its price.

FM
caribny posted:

Bookers was a highly profitable company when it was nationalized. In fact its Guyana operations generated so much cash that it emerged as a sizeable UK company after decades of minting money from its British Guiana operations.

The EU told Jagdeo to shift to something other than sugar, and even gave him millions to assist sugar workers to move to other activities. Even as Jagdeo screamed that the UK was betraying Guyana by allowing the EU to cut its prices paid by more than 1/3,  Jagdeo spent millions to build a new factory.

Lots of people told Jagdeo that expanding the sugar industry was an error and that he should begin a gradual shift from bulk raw sugar to more value added activities, and/or to other crops.

Jagdeo screamed that he was an expert. When folks told him to get a Australian or Brazilian company to build the factory, given his ill advised insistence that he should, Jagdeo found some fly by night bunch of charlatans from China. Most likely because he and his buddies received bribes, which neither the Brazilians, nor the Australians were going to do.

Guysuco's costs, already high, soared, just as the price tumbled.  Guysuco became a huge drain. It is now the recipient of over US$600 million of bailouts and is also hundreds of millions of dollars in debt.

Even Jagdeo now admits that the PPP bears much of the blame for Guysuco's predicament.  Why did he expand sugar when the EU was cutting prices, and it was obvious that Guyana couldn't complete in the global markets?

This is where you PNC types fall short, you are comparing 50 years ago methods to today. Bookers had antiquated methods of producing sugar compared to the modern techniques employed by today's top sugar producers against who Guyana can not compete. 

I am not here to defend Jagdeo as he still had the EU subsidies to mask the inefficiencies.  The problem now belongs to the PNC, take ownership and find a solution instead of excuses about Jagdeo and the PPP. This is why you were elected, do the right thing.

 

FM
ba$eman posted:
 

There are point I agree and some I disagree with you.  I agree, Guyana is way behind Jamaica when it comes to developing its brands. Jamaica actually invest in building their brands with reps all over the world.  This is an area the PNC may want to explore.

On the issue of markets for refined sugar vs confectioneries, I don't agree, it's not the same.  However, unless you invest in building the brands, it ain't going to happen.  How come Grace (Jamaican) product are all over the WI stores and even in some Walmart?

On Mauritius being "rude", well someone was asleep at the switch and the brand was registered and taken.  So they are not rude.  Maybe Guyana has to acquire the license and use the name.  Not sure it matters at this point.  Maybe Guyana can brand theirs El Dorado (golden crystals)!

I agree with you Guyana has done a poor job building it's brands.  And this is non-partisan as both the PNC and PPP fell short here!  The problem I think, Guyanese are small thinkers and are excited over little things and hallow victories.

Our energies are focused on who will dominate who and who will benefit at the expense of who.  Nothing about the Guyanese mindset is about Guyana and what's good for Guyana.  It all about the PPP and the PNC constituencies.  It's a zero-sum game, we see it as one up and the other down.  And this clouds every issue and decision and nothing substantive ever happens.  I don't see this changing in our lifetime.  The PNC of today has embraced the tradition.

The PPP was sleeping, only interested in grand theft. Mauritius began to sell Demerara sugar and they did nothing to stop them until it was too late. When Costa Rica began to sell "Jamaican" hot sauce Jamaica jumped on them and made them stop.

 

Jamaica is also a "tribal" society. Battles between the blacks and the browns. Uptown vs. Downtown. JLP vs. PNP.

But here is where they differ. A Jamaican is a JAMAICAN, no matter if they are African, Indian, mixed, Chinese, Syrian, or white.  EVERY Jamaican was involved in their 50th. NO Jamaican would have allowed any to exclude, because they didn't support the governing party.  At the end of the day being JAMAICAN connects Jamaicans, regardless of race, color or creed.

We do NOT have an all embracing sense of being Guyanese. Just look at how Indians boycotted the 50th anniversary this year, merely because it was done within the context of Indian domination.

We have 40% of the population who dream Bollywood, don't feel comfortable being called Guyanese. View Guyana only as a piece of real estate and business opportunities, all supported by political domination and ethnic exclusion. Don't see that they should have anything in common with non Indian Guyanese and scoff at the notion of a national identity.

Then we wonder why we cannot have a brand identity as Jamaicans, Cubans, Mexicans, and Brazilians do.

FM
caribny posted:
Drugb posted:
 

You too are a talker and not a doer. Why didn't you heed Granger's call  to invest in Guyana? Instead you fled the scene and left the man high and dry. 

Did I ever tell you that I was impressed with Granger? I am not.

You worshipped the ground that Jagdeo walked on, called him Lord and Master, and here you are doing your little coding job, scared stiff that some little kid from Bangalore, or even Lagos, will replace you.

I worshipped noone.  Now stop making excuses and speak to what your beloved PNC will do next to fix this issue. 

FM

When I go to Trini parties I see Trinis of ALL races loudly shouting and beaming with pride when they sing "Trini to D bone"!

Guyanese just don't radiate that sense of unity in diversity. Two groups cowering in their separate corners, not really exhibiting much national pride and identity.

FM
Drugb posted:
 

I worshipped noone.  Now stop making excuses and speak to what your beloved PNC will do next to fix this issue. 

Hmmm. I criticize Granger all the time. Care to tell me of your critiques of Jagdeo?

I have a called Granger a mediocrity with no ideas, and was highly critical of his leadership BEFORE their victory and remain so today.

You scream about Jagdeo "saving" Guyana, even as a culture of senseless violence and blatant greed and disregard for human life became entrenched during his regime.  Jadgeo was so low that he took Hammie Green's thugs and made him his.

FM
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caribny posted:
ba$eman posted:
 

There are point I agree and some I disagree with you.  I agree, Guyana is way behind Jamaica when it comes to developing its brands. Jamaica actually invest in building their brands with reps all over the world.  This is an area the PNC may want to explore.

On the issue of markets for refined sugar vs confectioneries, I don't agree, it's not the same.  However, unless you invest in building the brands, it ain't going to happen.  How come Grace (Jamaican) product are all over the WI stores and even in some Walmart?

On Mauritius being "rude", well someone was asleep at the switch and the brand was registered and taken.  So they are not rude.  Maybe Guyana has to acquire the license and use the name.  Not sure it matters at this point.  Maybe Guyana can brand theirs El Dorado (golden crystals)!

I agree with you Guyana has done a poor job building it's brands.  And this is non-partisan as both the PNC and PPP fell short here!  The problem I think, Guyanese are small thinkers and are excited over little things and hallow victories.

Our energies are focused on who will dominate who and who will benefit at the expense of who.  Nothing about the Guyanese mindset is about Guyana and what's good for Guyana.  It all about the PPP and the PNC constituencies.  It's a zero-sum game, we see it as one up and the other down.  And this clouds every issue and decision and nothing substantive ever happens.  I don't see this changing in our lifetime.  The PNC of today has embraced the tradition.

The PPP was sleeping, only interested in grand theft. Mauritius began to sell Demerara sugar and they did nothing to stop them until it was too late. When Costa Rica began to sell "Jamaican" hot sauce Jamaica jumped on them and made them stop.

 

Jamaica is also a "tribal" society. Battles between the blacks and the browns. Uptown vs. Downtown. JLP vs. PNP.

But here is where they differ. A Jamaican is a JAMAICAN, no matter if they are African, Indian, mixed, Chinese, Syrian, or white.  EVERY Jamaican was involved in their 50th. NO Jamaican would have allowed any to exclude, because they didn't support the governing party.  At the end of the day being JAMAICAN connects Jamaicans, regardless of race, color or creed.

We do NOT have an all embracing sense of being Guyanese. Just look at how Indians boycotted the 50th anniversary this year, merely because it was done within the context of Indian domination.

We have 40% of the population who dream Bollywood, don't feel comfortable being called Guyanese. View Guyana only as a piece of real estate and business opportunities, all supported by political domination and ethnic exclusion. Don't see that they should have anything in common with non Indian Guyanese and scoff at the notion of a national identity.

Then we wonder why we cannot have a brand identity as Jamaicans, Cubans, Mexicans, and Brazilians do.

Hey clown, you spout exactly of what I speak.  If I'm not mistaken, a British company holds the copyright to the name and likely license it out.  When the PPP went to international court, it was already long registered.

You are the epitome of the race issue prevalent in Guyana.  For you, it's about PPP vs PNC, Indian vs Black.  You can never embark on any discussion on Guyana as a whole.  For you, it's a zero-sum game!

FM
caribny posted:
Drugb posted:
 

I worshipped noone.  Now stop making excuses and speak to what your beloved PNC will do next to fix this issue. 

Hmmm. I criticize Granger all the time. Care to tell me of your critiques of Jagdeo?

I have a called Granger a mediocrity with no ideas, and was highly critical of his leadership BEFORE their victory and remain so today.

You scream about Jagdeo "saving" Guyana, even as a culture of senseless violence and blatant greed and disregard for human life became entrenched during his regime.  Jadgeo was so low that he took Hammie Green's thugs and made him his.

You criticize Burnham for not making Blacks more dominant over Indians in Guyana.  You are against Granger because he seems unable to extinguish the potent PPP leadership in Guyana.

FM
caribny posted:
Drugb posted:
 

I worshipped noone.  Now stop making excuses and speak to what your beloved PNC will do next to fix this issue. 

Hmmm. I criticize Granger all the time. Care to tell me of your critiques of Jagdeo?

I have a called Granger a mediocrity with no ideas, and was highly critical of his leadership BEFORE their victory and remain so today.

You scream about Jagdeo "saving" Guyana, even as a culture of senseless violence and blatant greed and disregard for human life became entrenched during his regime.  Jadgeo was so low that he took Hammie Green's thugs and made him his.

The last time I checked Jagdeo has not been president for over 4 years. Why would I criticize a man not in power for 4 years? It is the PNC in power, jackass Granger is in the hot seat. What Jagdeo got to do with the incompetent actions of this government? Stop with the excuses and start advising your PNC to "do the right thing" as per Spike Lee. 

FM
ba$eman posted:
 

Hey clown, you spout exactly of what I speak.  If I'm not mistaken, a British company holds the copyright to the name and likely license it out.  When the PPP went to international court, it was already long registered.

You are the epitome of the race issue prevalent in Guyana.  For you, it's about PPP vs PNC, Indian vs Black.  You can never embark on any discussion on Guyana as a whole.  For you, it's a zero-sum game!

You cannot bring yourself to admit that the PPP screwed up because at the end of the day, like most Guyanese Indians, you cannot see yourself as a Guyanese outside of your identity as an Indian.

Indo Jamaicans are JAMAICANS.    You all Guyanese Indians see them as traitors, or confused.

You are also a fine one to scream about people not having an all embracing identity beyond race. At what point do you see Afro Guyanese as just Guyanese?  Look at the derision you constantly heap on "Brooklyn blacks".  You and the rest of your Indo KKK.

Like it or not it is far easier for Afro Guyanese and others to see themselves as being just Guyanese than it is for Indians.  In fact its only when you all meet Indians from India that you all even begin to identify with Guyana.

FM
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Drugb posted:
caribny posted:
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The last time I checked Jagdeo has not been president for over 4 years.

When last I checked Jagdeo was Leader of the Opposition, and quite determined to start a racial civil war with his implication that he will "take back Guyana for US", having already defined the PPP as an Indian party.

The Leader of the Opposition is an important position and part of the system of governance in Guyana.  So why is Jagdeo beyond criticism when he does influence what goes on in Guyana?

Bet you don't see how stupid that is.  In fact your refusal to criticize Jagdeo, who destroyed GuySICKO, is due to the fact that you see him as a hero.  He used Roger Khan, a wanted criminal and you are quite happy with this.

And please cease pretending as if Ramotar wasn't a Jagdeo stooge. Jagdeo bytched slapped Ramotar for losing last year and tossed him out of leadership of the PPP.  What gave him that right?

FM
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caribny posted:

When last I checked Jagdeo was Leader of the Opposition, and quite determined to start a racial civil war with his implication that he will "take back Guyana for US", having already defined the PPP as an Indian party.

The Leader of the Opposition is an important position and part of the system of governance in Guyana.  So why is Jagdeo beyond criticism when he does influence what goes on in Guyana?

Bet you don't see how stupid that is.  In fact your refusal to criticize Jagdeo, who destroyed GuySICKO, is due to the fact that you see him as a hero.  He used Roger Khan, a wanted criminal and you are quite happy with this.

And please cease pretending as if Ramotar wasn't a Jagdeo stooge. Jagdeo bytched slapped Ramotar for losing last year and tossed him out of leadership of the PPP.  What gave him that right?

But it is Granger that running the country. What Jagdeo got to do with any of the incompetency displayed by this govt?  The PPP is practically impotent in parliament as the pnc has the majority, they are just there to collect a paycheck. Is the PnC running the show, they must take accountability. 

Enough of the excuses, hold the idiots you put into power accountable. 

FM
Drugb posted:
 

But it is Granger that running the country. . 

Jagdeo destroyed GuySICKO.  Few of the people at GuySICKO voted for him. Maybe he just needs to refuse GuySICKO's begging bowl next.

The same bowl that they have been pushing since Jagdeo pushed the ill conceived Skeldon and put in a management team of incompetent thieves.

US$500 million poured in by the PPP and hundreds of millions of debt, due to the PPP, and you refuse to blame them!

FM
caribny posted:
ba$eman posted:
 

Hey clown, you spout exactly of what I speak.  If I'm not mistaken, a British company holds the copyright to the name and likely license it out.  When the PPP went to international court, it was already long registered.

You are the epitome of the race issue prevalent in Guyana.  For you, it's about PPP vs PNC, Indian vs Black.  You can never embark on any discussion on Guyana as a whole.  For you, it's a zero-sum game!

You cannot bring yourself to admit that the PPP screwed up because at the end of the day, like most Guyanese Indians, you cannot see yourself as a Guyanese outside of your identity as an Indian.

Indo Jamaicans are JAMAICANS.    You all Guyanese Indians see them as traitors, or confused.

You are also a fine one to scream about people not having an all embracing identity beyond race. At what point do you see Afro Guyanese as just Guyanese?  Look at the derision you constantly heap on "Brooklyn blacks".  You and the rest of your Indo KKK.

Like it or not it is far easier for Afro Guyanese and others to see themselves as being just Guyanese than it is for Indians.  In fact its only when you all meet Indians from India that you all even begin to identify with Guyana.

Talk for yourself, this may have occurred under the PNC as the brand was filed for a long time.

I don't know who/what gives Caribj the right to say who is or isn't patriotic.  You who abandoned Guyana 30+ years and never went back, was hardly engaged and said you prefer to spend your money in the Islands rather than Guyana.  Give me a break you bloody clown.

Baseman is an Indo-Guyanese, like it or lump it, I am INDIAN-Guyanese, get used it.  You know how we Indians act and what we say, what are you?  Banna, you expose your racism here daily, your disdain for Indians is on full display.  Who the hell appointed you judge, jury and executioner over Guyanese Indians.  Those INDIAN boys/girls in the PPP are infinitely more patriotic that or resident Panther.  Caribj, GO TO HELL you racist prick!!

FM
caribny posted:
Drugb posted:
 

But it is Granger that running the country. . 

Jagdeo destroyed GuySICKO.  Few of the people at GuySICKO voted for him. Maybe he just needs to refuse GuySICKO's begging bowl next.

The same bowl that they have been pushing since Jagdeo pushed the ill conceived Skeldon and put in a management team of incompetent thieves.

US$500 million poured in by the PPP and hundreds of millions of debt, due to the PPP, and you refuse to blame them!

Nonsense, Guysuco was not destroyed, it just did not modernize with the changing technologies. The attempt by the PPP to modernize via skeldon factory was ill advised by the booker tate company. This is a prime example why govt should not be running business.

Now Granger et al came in and said they will fix all problems and the people believed.  Now they put jackass Clive in charge of Guysuco and he failed in the past 1 1/2 years.  His solution to the inefficiency is to cover it up with value added products. This is most idiotic as the root of the problem is not addressed as it is swept under the carpet. 

FM
ba$eman posted:
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Talk for yourself, this may have occurred under the PNC as the brand was filed for a long time.

I don't know who/what gives Caribj the right to say who is or isn't patriotic.  ..

Baseman is an Indo-Guyanese, like it or lump it, I am INDIAN-Guyanese, get used it.  .

Funny that you call me a racist prick and yet none of your multiple identities includes just being GUYANESE, and embracing its multi ethnic and multi cultural identity as being yours. You can only see yourself as an Indian, who happened to be born in Guyana.

The PPP had 23 years to develop a brand image.  We are now way more sophisticated about this than we were in the 70s, now that we should be more marketing savvy. Jamaica took advantage of these new perspectives.

To the PPP if it didn't mean 10% in their pockets, and screams of "ahbe pan tap, black man time done" they weren't interested.

To show how "patriotic" you were look how you criticized the commemoration of 50 years of independence.  You cannot celebrate being a Guyanese unless it comes with ethnic domination by an Indian elite.

Jamaica has tons of problems yet EVERY Jamaican, regardless of race, color, class, or political affiliation, felt proud to celebrate being a JAMAICAN!

FM
Drugb posted:
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Nonsense, Guysuco was not destroyed,.

US$500 million in bailouts done over a 10 year period, not the result of some disaster.  And in addition further hundreds of millions of dollars (US) in debt.

And you think that it wasn't destroyed. If GuySICKO was a private company it would have been bankrupt LONG ago!

FM
Drugb posted:
. His solution to the inefficiency is to cover it up with value added products. This is most idiotic as the root of the problem is not addressed as it is swept under the carpet. 

This statement alone shows what an idiot you are. How do companies succeed. The cut overhead expenses and increase yields.  This means shutting down estates that will never be profitable and switching the product mix to those with higher margins.

The choice is either shut down GuySICKO and let tens of thousands of mainly PPP supporters starve. Or focus on the most profitable estates and to add more value added products to the mix, and so hopefully losses can be reduced.

FM
caribny posted:
ba$eman posted:
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Talk for yourself, this may have occurred under the PNC as the brand was filed for a long time.

I don't know who/what gives Caribj the right to say who is or isn't patriotic.  ..

Baseman is an Indo-Guyanese, like it or lump it, I am INDIAN-Guyanese, get used it.  .

Funny that you call me a racist prick and yet none of your multiple identities includes just being GUYANESE, !

Hear me again, I'm Indo Guyanese, take it or leave it.  That makes me no more or less patriotic than you, you clown.  You openly said you prefer not to spend your money in Guyana but the Islands.

Your definition of patriotic is pure race-based!  Go to hell.  As far as you are concerned, Indo-Guyanese have no place in Guyana.

FM
ba$eman posted:
 

Your definition of patriotic is pure race-based!  Go to hell.  As far as you are concerned, Indo-Guyanese have no place in Guyana.

Indo Guyanese have no place in Guyana. GUYANESE do. Are you a Guyanese, or is your "patriotism" based only on your race? 

Is your patriotism based only an identity with other Indians, or does it encompass Guyanese of other ethnicities?

Do you understand the difference between nationality and ethnicity or do you limit your nationality to your race?

FM
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caribny posted:
Prashad posted:
 

Jamaicans are not stupid they know when to play up to the white man and white woman. They know when to pull out and show bob marley white daddy photo. They know when to put up the photo of Queen Elizabeth as their head of state. Let us not fool ourselves. That is the reason why they have those big hotels and grace kennedy products in cans.

This from a man who married a half white woman. Guess you couldn't get a full white woman so you settled for a diluted one.

Another low blow from the Carib. There must be some misunderstanding here. I am not Sidney Poitier. I just excuse myself from being a guess at the dinner particularly when white meat is on the menu.

 

 

Prashad
Drugb posted:
caribny posted:
Drugb posted:
 

But it is Granger that running the country. . 

Jagdeo destroyed GuySICKO.  Few of the people at GuySICKO voted for him. Maybe he just needs to refuse GuySICKO's begging bowl next.

The same bowl that they have been pushing since Jagdeo pushed the ill conceived Skeldon and put in a management team of incompetent thieves.

US$500 million poured in by the PPP and hundreds of millions of debt, due to the PPP, and you refuse to blame them!

Nonsense, Guysuco was not destroyed, it just did not modernize with the changing technologies. The attempt by the PPP to modernize via skeldon factory was ill advised by the booker tate company. This is a prime example why govt should not be running business.

Now Granger et al came in and said they will fix all problems and the people believed.  Now they put jackass Clive in charge of Guysuco and he failed in the past 1 1/2 years.  His solution to the inefficiency is to cover it up with value added products. This is most idiotic as the root of the problem is not addressed as it is swept under the carpet. 

Guysuco was not destroyed.  In the larger scheme of things, Guyana was a small country and found it difficult to compete with the much larger producers.  Under Bookers, it was part of a larger vertically integrated enterprise, which as a whole, was viable.  Both Jagan and Burnham, in their folly thought they can use the raw supply (tail) to wag the dog, the down-stream industry.  They may have planned on some Soviet support like Cuba received, an EU style subsidy.

Anyway, regardless, Guyana remained a small player dependent on an EU subsidized market.  The industry never was built-out to a self-sustaining critical mass so we have what we have.  Sugar will never become much more than what it is, maybe a little here and there, some refining, etc. It will be around as a political football and employment provider for some segments of the population and earning some foreign currency.

FM
caribny posted:
Drugb posted:
. His solution to the inefficiency is to cover it up with value added products. This is most idiotic as the root of the problem is not addressed as it is swept under the carpet. 

This statement alone shows what an idiot you are. How do companies succeed. The cut overhead expenses and increase yields.  This means shutting down estates that will never be profitable and switching the product mix to those with higher margins.

The choice is either shut down GuySICKO and let tens of thousands of mainly PPP supporters starve. Or focus on the most profitable estates and to add more value added products to the mix, and so hopefully losses can be reduced.

You are the idiot,  how is jackass Clive cutting overhead cost? He abandoned any effort to increase the efficiency of the harvesting and  production process and instead ran directly to packaging and small time specialty. 

The two jackasses, Granger and Clive should shut down the industry if they can't make it competitive. It will be better for the long run. Don't keep making excuses about Indo's being out of work, it is dankey cart low level jobs anyway that leads to nowhere. 

FM
Prashad posted:
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Another low blow from the Carib.

 

You are a man who screams Indian purity, but do exactly the opposite. You all but confirmed that your wife isn't going to follow you into Indesh and transform herself into a traditional Indian wife.

FM
Drugb posted:
 

You are the idiot,  how is jackass Clive cutting overhead cost?

Shutting down a failing estate.

I suggest that you tell Yesu Persaud to stop making premium rums and just sell his 2 year old rot gut to Europe, where they repackage it. 

He wants to increase yield. Clearly you don't know anything about business so you cannot understand this concept.

Do you know why most airlines have business class, and some even charge more for coach seats which are near the doors?

FM
caribny posted:
Drugb posted:
 

You are the idiot,  how is jackass Clive cutting overhead cost?

Shutting down a failing estate.

I suggest that you tell Yesu Persaud to stop making premium rums and just sell his 2 year old rot gut to Europe, where they repackage it. 

He wants to increase yield. Clearly you don't know anything about business so you cannot understand this concept.

Do you know why most airlines have business class, and some even charge more for coach seats which are near the doors?

Many of the other island nations still continue their rum industry dummy even though their govt divest from the sugar industry. This is the kind of que que logic that the PNC follow. Apparently you didn't receive a full paycheck this week, hence your weak rebuttal. 

FM
Drugb posted:
caribny posted:
Drugb posted:
 

You are the idiot,  how is jackass Clive cutting overhead cost?

Shutting down a failing estate.

I suggest that you tell Yesu Persaud to stop making premium rums and just sell his 2 year old rot gut to Europe, where they repackage it. 

He wants to increase yield. Clearly you don't know anything about business so you cannot understand this concept.

Do you know why most airlines have business class, and some even charge more for coach seats which are near the doors?

Many of the other island nations still continue their rum industry dummy even though their govt divest from the sugar industry. This is the kind of que que logic that the PNC follow. Apparently you didn't receive a full paycheck this week, hence your weak rebuttal. 

Can you for once get off your stupid racist platform and address an issue clearly for once? Que Que is like bajans, repetitious, didactic and serious; your ignorance of what they are notwithstanding.

If the islands decide to specialize in rum that is their choice given they get no advantage in economies of scale by producing large quantities of sugar. We can. We will have a nascent petro industry and a 10 percent or more ethanol blend as in the US will go a long way to our aims of a green economy. Then there are a long list of other products we can take place on the pipeline.

FM
Danyael posted:
 

Can you for once get off your stupid racist platform and address an issue clearly for once? Que Que is like bajans, repetitious, didactic and serious; your ignorance of what they are notwithstanding.

If the islands decide to specialize in rum that is their choice given they get no advantage in economies of scale by producing large quantities of sugar. We can. We will have a nascent petro industry and a 10 percent or more ethanol blend as in the US will go a long way to our aims of a green economy. Then there are a long list of other products we can take place on the pipeline.

Now I have to solve the sugar issue?   Your Granger is in charge now, let him solve the issues. You folks said you had all the answers while in opposition. Now it looks like you backpeddling on these promises. The mantra now seems to be blame the ppp when you fail.

FM
caribny posted:
Drugb posted:
 

You are the idiot,  how is jackass Clive cutting overhead cost?

Shutting down a failing estate.

I suggest that you tell Yesu Persaud to stop making premium rums and just sell his 2 year old rot gut to Europe, where they repackage it. 

He wants to increase yield. Clearly you don't know anything about business so you cannot understand this concept.

Do you know why most airlines have business class, and some even charge more for coach seats which are near the doors?

You are commenting on issues that you know so little about.

Try to engage the brain before you keystroke.

 

Vish M
Drugb posted:
 

Many of the other island nations still continue their rum industry dummy even though their govt divest from the sugar industry.

Here is the issue that the PNC has. Yes they wish that they could shut down Guysuco, but you know full well that if they do so, you and every Indian will be jumping up and down outside of the UN building screaming Indo genocide. Raving that this is a plan to ensure that Indians die of starvation.

The PPP had the political space to do so, and yet didn't, even as they sold Guymine.

So why don't you tell your Jagdeo that he needs to stop screaming that APNU should expand sugar and keep Wales open?

FM
Vish M posted:
caribny posted:
Drugb posted:
 

You are the idiot,  how is jackass Clive cutting overhead cost?

Shutting down a failing estate.

I suggest that you tell Yesu Persaud to stop making premium rums and just sell his 2 year old rot gut to Europe, where they repackage it. 

He wants to increase yield. Clearly you don't know anything about business so you cannot understand this concept.

Do you know why most airlines have business class, and some even charge more for coach seats which are near the doors?

You are commenting on issues that you know so little about.

Try to engage the brain before you keystroke.

 

In fact were you so intelligent you would have a solution. But you would rather taxpayers being forced to endlessly bail out GuySICKO with US$ 90 million year in and year out.

Now how sustainable is this?  Is it fair to Guyanese who don't work in sugar, and whose jobs depend on how well, or how poorly their employers are doing? With no expectation that their jobs will be endlessly subsidized!

So here is my solution. Give GuySICKO 12 months to begin serious negotiations with a buyer, or shut down this sick animal!

FM
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Vish M posted:

Privatization is a viable option 

It is no longer on the table. That 12 months is only to show that the government has good faith.

Given the realities of sugar and the fact that Guyana's production costs are more than double world prices, it has an intractable trade union, and the fact that GuySICKO is tremendously indebted, who in their right mind will buy GuySICKO. The most they will buy will be the lands, with DDL probably buying enough cane land, and factories to guarantee a supply of molasses for their rum operations.

When Guysuco was in better shape it could have been privatized, but of any one thinks that a private owner will not do to sugar workers what the private owners of bauxite did to bauxite workers they merely fool themselves. Sugar in Demerara is finished.

FM
caribny posted:
Drugb posted:
 

Many of the other island nations still continue their rum industry dummy even though their govt divest from the sugar industry.

Here is the issue that the PNC has. Yes they wish that they could shut down Guysuco, but you know full well that if they do so, you and every Indian will be jumping up and down outside of the UN building screaming Indo genocide. Raving that this is a plan to ensure that Indians die of starvation.

The PPP had the political space to do so, and yet didn't, even as they sold Guymine.

So why don't you tell your Jagdeo that he needs to stop screaming that APNU should expand sugar and keep Wales open?

I am personally giving you permission to shut down the sugar industry on behalf of all Indians. The Indians will feel pain for a while but they will pick themselves up and move on to bigger and better things. Like welfare is to Blacks, cane cutting to Indians is a crutch.

FM
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Drugb posted:
 

I am personally giving you permission to shut down the sugar industry on behalf of all Indians. The Indians will feel pain for a while but they will pick themselves up and move on to bigger and better things. Like welfare is to Blacks, cane cutting to Indians is a crutch.

So chat with Jagdeo, and tell him that if Granger shuts down Guysuco he will promise not to scream Indo Holocaust and scream that Granger is Hitler. 

I can see him already in Richmond Hill with Baseman, yuji and the rest of the Indo KKK in full battle screams.

FM
caribny posted:
Drugb posted:
 

I am personally giving you permission to shut down the sugar industry on behalf of all Indians. The Indians will feel pain for a while but they will pick themselves up and move on to bigger and better things. Like welfare is to Blacks, cane cutting to Indians is a crutch.

So chat with Jagdeo, and tell him that if Granger shuts down Guysuco he will promise not to scream Indo Holocaust and scream that Granger is Hitler. 

I can see him already in Richmond Hill with Baseman, yuji and the rest of the Indo KKK in full battle screams.

Jagdeo is irrelevant, he and the PPP can do nothing to stop the PNC from shutting down the sugar industry. The PNC has the majority in parliament but they lack the will the pull the trigger. 

FM
Vish M posted:

Privatization is a viable option 

They will have to pay someone to buy that industry.  Exactly what would the value proposition be?  The GoG will have to provide significant subsidies to make it viable.  Truth is, the GoG is stuck with Guysuco.  Guysuco is not a victim of either the PPP or PNC, but  victim of the politics of the PPP and PNC collectively.

FM
caribny posted:
Drugb posted:
 

I am personally giving you permission to shut down the sugar industry on behalf of all Indians. The Indians will feel pain for a while but they will pick themselves up and move on to bigger and better things. Like welfare is to Blacks, cane cutting to Indians is a crutch.

So chat with Jagdeo, and tell him that if Granger shuts down Guysuco he will promise not to scream Indo Holocaust and scream that Granger is Hitler. 

I can see him already in Richmond Hill with Baseman, yuji and the rest of the Indo KKK in full battle screams.

Actually, no.  The sugar industry is a national issue, not PPP or PNC.  The blame sits with all yet with no one in particular.

FM
ba$eman posted:
Vish M posted:

Privatization is a viable option 

They will have to pay someone to buy that industry.  Exactly what would the value proposition be?  The GoG will have to provide significant subsidies to make it viable.  Truth is, the GoG is stuck with Guysuco.  Guysuco is not a victim of either the PPP or PNC, but  victim of the politics of the PPP and PNC collectively.

What political action took down Sugar? Who failed to file the requisite papers to retain EU subsidy and who accepted that crap of a mill without a guarantee of usability and why did they let a group who never built a plant build one when another firm that built plants as their business was let go?

FM
Drugb posted:
 

Jagdeo is irrelevant, he and the PPP can do nothing to stop the PNC from shutting down the sugar industry. The PNC has the majority in parliament but they lack the will the pull the trigger. 

They want to shut down Wales and Indians are running screaming "Burnham".  Imagine if they shut down all the sugar estates. 1964 again?

FM
Danyael posted:
ba$eman posted:
Vish M posted:

Privatization is a viable option 

They will have to pay someone to buy that industry.  Exactly what would the value proposition be?  The GoG will have to provide significant subsidies to make it viable.  Truth is, the GoG is stuck with Guysuco.  Guysuco is not a victim of either the PPP or PNC, but  victim of the politics of the PPP and PNC collectively.

What political action took down Sugar? Who failed to file the requisite papers to retain EU subsidy and who accepted that crap of a mill without a guarantee of usability and why did they let a group who never built a plant build one when another firm that built plants as their business was let go?

The fact that baseman doesn't blame the PNC exclusively is progress. Soon he will admit that this was all of Jagdeo's fault.

FM
caribny posted:
Drugb posted:
 

Jagdeo is irrelevant, he and the PPP can do nothing to stop the PNC from shutting down the sugar industry. The PNC has the majority in parliament but they lack the will the pull the trigger. 

They want to shut down Wales and Indians are running screaming "Burnham".  Imagine if they shut down all the sugar estates. 1964 again?

Why should this bother a party with the majority of seats in parliament with the power to take the correct action? Are these idiots in office more concerned with the screams of the opposition or rather what is good for the nation? If they lack the will to make the hard decisions to govern then they should get out of the way and let other do the governing. 

FM
Danyael posted:
ba$eman posted:
Vish M posted:

Privatization is a viable option 

They will have to pay someone to buy that industry.  Exactly what would the value proposition be?  The GoG will have to provide significant subsidies to make it viable.  Truth is, the GoG is stuck with Guysuco.  Guysuco is not a victim of either the PPP or PNC, but  victim of the politics of the PPP and PNC collectively.

What political action took down Sugar? Who failed to file the requisite papers to retain EU subsidy and who accepted that crap of a mill without a guarantee of usability and why did they let a group who never built a plant build one when another firm that built plants as their business was let go?

There was no perpetuity for EU subsidies. In fact the subsidy was a crutch, intended to perpetuate the inefficient production of sugar and hence the ultimate demise of the industry. Why didn't the rest of the Caribbean file the requisite papers to retain EU subsidies? Why did they chose to exit the industry? Liar de liar strikes again. 

FM
caribny posted:
Danyael posted:
ba$eman posted:
Vish M posted:

Privatization is a viable option 

They will have to pay someone to buy that industry.  Exactly what would the value proposition be?  The GoG will have to provide significant subsidies to make it viable.  Truth is, the GoG is stuck with Guysuco.  Guysuco is not a victim of either the PPP or PNC, but  victim of the politics of the PPP and PNC collectively.

What political action took down Sugar? Who failed to file the requisite papers to retain EU subsidy and who accepted that crap of a mill without a guarantee of usability and why did they let a group who never built a plant build one when another firm that built plants as their business was let go?

The fact that baseman doesn't blame the PNC exclusively is progress. Soon he will admit that this was all of Jagdeo's fault.

No, it was not.  The end of the EU subsidies were a major blow.  Truth of the matter, back in the 70's when sugar was king and prices were good, the PNC never invested to expand and add critical mass.  The PNC instead squandered the money on national "wants", not needs.

The PNC lived lavishly, spent heavily on the military and other non-productive activities.  They deprived the sugar workers of their rights and pay resulting in the 1977 big strike which crippled the industry.  That window was lost to ramp-up sugar and prices began to come down. As the economy began it's downward spiral, it was virtually impossible to now dedicate the dwindling reserves to invest in sugar.

Now, who the cap fit..........

FM

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