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Schenectady ranked most dangerous, poorest city in USA

 
 

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A U.S City where hundreds of Guyanese from across New York were lured into securing cheap homes in the early 2000 is being dubbed the worst city in the nation.

New reports are coming out, showing Schenectady to be the worst city in the United States.

The area which has a large Guyanese population is said to be full of crack cocaine, heroin, and a corrupt police department that was threatened to be shut down a year ago by the FBI.

“The Schenectady Police Department doesn’t serve and protect, it has a long history of racketeering, prostitution encouragement, and sells drugs,” a U.S media report stated.

With a population of 66,041, violent crime in the area is ranked 7th highest in New York while property crime ranks 14th worst in New York.

In Schenectady, you have a 33% daily chance of being a victim of crime.

Rape is especially serious in Schenectady, where heroin usage is rampant.

Union College, a semi-IVY, has students secured in a fenced in campus because the college students are afraid to leave their dorms. They call the people Schenectoids.

This goes to show how poor Schenectady’s reputation is, but worse yet is the home values.

“The median home value in Schenectady is $87,600. Schenectady home values have declined -3.5% over the past year and Zillow predicts they will fall -0.1% within the next year.”

The income levels in Schenectady are atrocious as well. The average person who works (35% of the population) does little better than minimum wage; in fact, the average hourly rate is minimum wage.

Many people in Schenectady are on welfare.

 Inewsguyanagy.com

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I disagree with portion of this report. Many Guyanese who started out in 2000 are doing well. During the past seventeen years, Guyanese made mistakes in their investment strategy that failed them. However, that time has faded. Many new comers from Guyana are attracted to Schenectady because it's affordable. The Schenectady attraction is increasing rapidly because NYC is too expensive for beginners.     

The Mayor in the early days when Guyanese were buying up Schenectady, he got excited and became corrupted. This was a time when Guyanese were cutting each other throat for survival. All of them wanted to be on the good side of the mayor to feel important.        

The youths are the drug users and pushers. Young people are drinking heavily and driving recklessly, causing accident and death to increase.

First, it were the Blacks and Hispanics. Now, the Guyanese themselves are giving Schenectady a bad name. And so the story goes. 

FM
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Guyanese corrupted the Mayor with bribes for choice property! In any event, many guyanese are doing well being the ghetto leeches like the chinese were...suppliers of the basics in their small shops selling low quality crap....

FM
RiffRaff posted:

So which portion of the report you disagree with?

This report is totally strayed from the whole truth about Schenectady. There are many good that Guyanese have done to Schenectady that's missing from the report. Everywhere there Is good and bad, but still people find Schenectady to be home to family, job and leisure, etc., for almost two decades. 

FM
Stormborn posted:

Guyanese corrupted the Mayor with bribes for choice property! In any event, many guyanese are doing well being the ghetto leeches like the chinese were...suppliers of the basics in their small shops selling low quality crap....

What is your source of this information?

FM
Drugb posted:
Stormborn posted:

Guyanese corrupted the Mayor with bribes for choice property! In any event, many guyanese are doing well being the ghetto leeches like the chinese were...suppliers of the basics in their small shops selling low quality crap....

What is your source of this information?

He was hanging out with the bottom of the barrel lot who functioned completely in that relmn. Most are in jail or were indicted or got off by the skin of their teeth

FM
Stormborn posted:
Drugb posted:
Stormborn posted:

Guyanese corrupted the Mayor with bribes for choice property! In any event, many guyanese are doing well being the ghetto leeches like the chinese were...suppliers of the basics in their small shops selling low quality crap....

What is your source of this information?

He was hanging out with the bottom of the barrel lot who functioned completely in that relmn. Most are in jail or were indicted or got off by the skin of their teeth

Apparently you didn't get my question. I repeat, what is your source of the highlighted information. 

FM
Drugb posted:
Stormborn posted:
Drugb posted:
Stormborn posted:

Guyanese corrupted the Mayor with bribes for choice property! In any event, many guyanese are doing well being the ghetto leeches like the chinese were...suppliers of the basics in their small shops selling low quality crap....

What is your source of this information?

He was hanging out with the bottom of the barrel lot who functioned completely in that relmn. Most are in jail or were indicted or got off by the skin of their teeth

Apparently you didn't get my question. I repeat, what is your source of the highlighted information. 

should have added "most likely", to avoid tarnishing his name. He did hang out with a lot of Guyanese crooks who are now in jail or served jail time

FM

I probably visit Schenectady more than anyone else here at GNI. I always visit a place called Niskayuna, NY. Very wealthy and affluent area. 

I sometimes visit the heart of Schenectady and can post my observations.

Crime and Drugs are mainly in African American neighbourhoods and many are on welfare.

Guyanese bought and have invested in areas of Schenectady and have transformed many neighbourhoods. Many Guyanese own multiple homes and have mainly African Americans as tenants.

They (Indo Guyanese) are doing extremely well in Schenectady.

I personally know someone who owns over thirty apartments. African Americans on welfare are a majority of his tenants, (he uses a "section something" term ) to describe their status and how their rent are paid.

The writer of that article needs to have his or her brain examined.

Yuji22

 

FM
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Cobra posted:
RiffRaff posted:

So which portion of the report you disagree with?

This report is totally strayed from the whole truth about Schenectady. There are many good that Guyanese have done to Schenectady that's missing from the report. Everywhere there Is good and bad, but still people find Schenectady to be home to family, job and leisure, etc., for almost two decades. 

Have to agree with Cobra.

This report is flawed.

Chief
yuji22 posted:

I probably visit Schenectady more than anyone else here at GNI. I always visit a place called Niskayuna, NY. Very wealthy and affluent area. 

I sometimes visit the heart of Schenectady and can post my observations.

Crime and Drugs are mainly in African American neighbourhoods and many are on welfare.

Guyanese bought and have invested in areas of Schenectady and have transformed many neighbourhoods. Many Guyanese own multiple homes and have mainly African Americans as tenants.

They (Indo Guyanese) are doing extremely well in Schenectady.

I personally know someone who owns over thirty apartments. African Americans on welfare are a majority of his tenants, (he uses a "section something" term ) to describe their status and how their rent are paid.

The writer of that article needs to have his or her brain examined.

Yuji22

 

Sheer sk.....t  you does talk,you don't know any thing about the ole USA,always demeaning Afros,let me inform you there are depressed areas in White neighborhoods and White outnumbered Afros on welfare.

Suh who are the rest of the tenants of the slum lord ???

Django
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With a population of 66,041, violent crime in the area is ranked 7th highest in New York while property crime ranks 14th worst in New York.

 

They are ranked the 7th highest in NY when it comes to violent crime. Someone please list the other six cities that ranked worst.

Billy Ram Balgobin
Django posted: 

Sheer sk.....t  you does talk,you don't know any thing about the ole USA,always demeaning Afros,let me inform you there are depressed areas in White neighborhoods and White outnumbered Afros on welfare.

Suh who are the rest of the tenants of the slum lord ???

Incorrect, percentage wise Blacks are disproportionately on welfare. 

http://www.statisticbrain.com/welfare-statistics/

Welfare DemographicsPercentTotal Number
Percent of welfare recipients who are white / caucasian16.8 %11,405,000
Percent of welfare recipients who are black39.6 %26,884,000
Percent of welfare recipients who are Hispanic21.2 %14,392,000
Percent of welfare recipients who are Asian or Pacific Islander18 %12,220,000
Percent of welfare recipients who are Other / Mixed4.4 %2,987,000
FM
yuji22 posted:

I personally know someone who owns over thirty apartments. African Americans on welfare are a majority of his tenants, (he uses a "section something" term ) to describe their status and how their rent are paid.

The writer of that article needs to have his or her brain examined.

Yuji22

 

This is section 8 assistance.  CaribJ is well aware of this type of entitlement. In the past there were some concern that he was a recipient which he denied. 

FM

Django probably took a black baigan with roti.

I am in Niskayuna, NY almost every weekend in the summertime. How many times a year does he visit Schenectady ? Django opens his loud mouth and speaks nonsense.

Areas around Mount Forest have the highest crimes and drugs. This area is 99 percent African Americans. You dare not drive around some of these neighbourhoods during the night.

I am not blaming blacks or anyone else, this area has been depressed economically for years. Many cannot find work and are forced on welfare. I am just stating the facts.

Indo Guyanese on the other hand, for whatever reason, are able to find work and are doing quite well in Schenectady. As for that landlord, he took his money and invested, that is how America works.

Django, Stop speaking nonsense and opening your aloud mouth in the mornings and making yourself look like a fool. BTW, please enjoy your black baigan with roti.

Yuji22.

 

FM
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Drugb posted:
yuji22 posted:

I personally know someone who owns over thirty apartments. African Americans on welfare are a majority of his tenants, (he uses a "section something" term ) to describe their status and how their rent are paid.

The writer of that article needs to have his or her brain examined.

Yuji22

 

This is section 8 assistance.  CaribJ is well aware of this type of entitlement. In the past there were some concern that he was a recipient which he denied. 

That explains why he is upset when I speak the truth on what I saw with my own eyes in some neighbourhoods in America.

FM
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Drugb posted:
Django posted: 

Sheer sk.....t  you does talk,you don't know any thing about the ole USA,always demeaning Afros,let me inform you there are depressed areas in White neighborhoods and White outnumbered Afros on welfare.

Suh who are the rest of the tenants of the slum lord ???

Incorrect, percentage wise Blacks are disproportionately on welfare. 

http://www.statisticbrain.com/welfare-statistics/

Welfare DemographicsPercentTotal Number
Percent of welfare recipients who are white / caucasian16.8 %11,405,000
Percent of welfare recipients who are black39.6 %26,884,000
Percent of welfare recipients who are Hispanic21.2 %14,392,000
Percent of welfare recipients who are Asian or Pacific Islander18 %12,220,000
Percent of welfare recipients who are Other / Mixed4.4 %2,987,000

With African American Americans being 13 percent of the population, those welfare numbers are extremely high. Carib and D2 will soon show up in defence of those high numbers.

FM
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yuji22 posted:

Django probably took a black baigan with roti.

I am in Niskayuna, NY almost every weekend in the summertime. How many times a year does he visit Schenectady ? Django opens his loud mouth and speaks nonsense.

Areas around Mount Forest have the highest crimes and drugs. This area is 99 percent African Americans. You dare not drive around some of these neighbourhoods during the night.

I am not blaming blacks or anyone else, this area has been depressed economically for years. Many cannot find work and are forced on welfare. I am just stating the facts.

Indo Guyanese on the other hand, for whatever reason, are able to find work and are doing quite well in Schenectady. As for that landlord, he took his money and invested, that is how America works.

Django, Stop speaking nonsense and opening your aloud mouth in the mornings and making yourself look like a fool. BTW, please enjoy your black baigan with roti.

Yuji22.

 

Banna i was there last month,one of my niece live there.

Kerr you rass you don't know how ole USA works,you are picking on Afros.

Darpoke,always afraid we have an area that are depressed,predominantly Afros,i can go through anytime without fear,I lived there when first migrated,staying at my friend house,who still lives there.

Talking about Roti,not a daily intake the last was a month ago,Django trying to stay healthy.

Django
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yuji22 posted:
Drugb posted:
Django posted: 

Sheer sk.....t  you does talk,you don't know any thing about the ole USA,always demeaning Afros,let me inform you there are depressed areas in White neighborhoods and White outnumbered Afros on welfare.

Suh who are the rest of the tenants of the slum lord ???

Incorrect, percentage wise Blacks are disproportionately on welfare. 

http://www.statisticbrain.com/welfare-statistics/

Welfare DemographicsPercentTotal Number
Percent of welfare recipients who are white / caucasian16.8 %11,405,000
Percent of welfare recipients who are black39.6 %26,884,000
Percent of welfare recipients who are Hispanic21.2 %14,392,000
Percent of welfare recipients who are Asian or Pacific Islander18 %12,220,000
Percent of welfare recipients who are Other / Mixed4.4 %2,987,000

With African American Americans being 13 percent of the population, those welfare numbers are extremely high. Carib and D2 will soon show up in defence of those high numbers.

Always pulling from the Net without checking credibility,that is not a Government Website.

Read this article.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...phics_n_6771938.html

Nationally, most of the people who receive benefits from the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program are white. According to 2013 data from the U.S. Department of Agriculture, which administers the program, 40.2 percent of SNAP recipients are white, 25.7 percent are black, 10.3 percent are Hispanic, 2.1 percent are Asian and 1.2 percent are Native American.

Django
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Django posted:
yuji22 posted:
Drugb posted:
Django posted: 

Sheer sk.....t  you does talk,you don't know any thing about the ole USA,always demeaning Afros,let me inform you there are depressed areas in White neighborhoods and White outnumbered Afros on welfare.

Suh who are the rest of the tenants of the slum lord ???

Incorrect, percentage wise Blacks are disproportionately on welfare. 

http://www.statisticbrain.com/welfare-statistics/

Welfare DemographicsPercentTotal Number
Percent of welfare recipients who are white / caucasian16.8 %11,405,000
Percent of welfare recipients who are black39.6 %26,884,000
Percent of welfare recipients who are Hispanic21.2 %14,392,000
Percent of welfare recipients who are Asian or Pacific Islander18 %12,220,000
Percent of welfare recipients who are Other / Mixed4.4 %2,987,000

With African American Americans being 13 percent of the population, those welfare numbers are extremely high. Carib and D2 will soon show up in defence of those high numbers.

Always pulling from the Net without checking credibility,that is not a Government Website.

Read this article.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...phics_n_6771938.html

Nationally, most of the people who receive benefits from the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program are white. According to 2013 data from the U.S. Department of Agriculture, which administers the program, 40.2 percent of SNAP recipients are white, 25.7 percent are black, 10.3 percent are Hispanic, 2.1 percent are Asian and 1.2 percent are Native American.

Snap is only foodstamps, it is not considered welfare. Most elderly will get snap benefits.  The statistics I presented is an excerpt from the department of commerce.

FM
Drugb posted:
Django posted:
yuji22 posted:
Drugb posted:
Django posted: 

Sheer sk.....t  you does talk,you don't know any thing about the ole USA,always demeaning Afros,let me inform you there are depressed areas in White neighborhoods and White outnumbered Afros on welfare.

Suh who are the rest of the tenants of the slum lord ???

Incorrect, percentage wise Blacks are disproportionately on welfare. 

http://www.statisticbrain.com/welfare-statistics/

Welfare DemographicsPercentTotal Number
Percent of welfare recipients who are white / caucasian16.8 %11,405,000
Percent of welfare recipients who are black39.6 %26,884,000
Percent of welfare recipients who are Hispanic21.2 %14,392,000
Percent of welfare recipients who are Asian or Pacific Islander18 %12,220,000
Percent of welfare recipients who are Other / Mixed4.4 %2,987,000

With African American Americans being 13 percent of the population, those welfare numbers are extremely high. Carib and D2 will soon show up in defence of those high numbers.

Always pulling from the Net without checking credibility,that is not a Government Website.

Read this article.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...phics_n_6771938.html

Nationally, most of the people who receive benefits from the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program are white. According to 2013 data from the U.S. Department of Agriculture, which administers the program, 40.2 percent of SNAP recipients are white, 25.7 percent are black, 10.3 percent are Hispanic, 2.1 percent are Asian and 1.2 percent are Native American.

Snap is only foodstamps, it is not considered welfare. Most elderly will get snap benefits.  The statistics I presented is an excerpt from the department of commerce.

SNAP is part of the welfare system. It is considered as public assistance. People with children who apply for SNAP will also get TANF(temporary Assistance to Needy Families) or cash. These allowances are good until the child(ren) reach the age of 18 or there is an improvement in their finances. Some of these folks who are on public assistance and have children over the age of 5 are required to work 20-30 hours per week.

FM

Snap is only foodstamps, it is not considered welfare. Most elderly will get snap benefits.  The statistics I presented is an excerpt from the department of commerce.


 here is info on site

http://www.statisticbrain.com/about/

here is dept of commerce

https://search.commerce.gov/se...filiate=commerce.gov


 

Educate yourself what are US welfare programs,ask Yugi to join you.

http://federalsafetynet.com/welfare-definition.html

Django
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skeldon_man posted:
SNAP is part of the welfare system. It is considered as public assistance. People with children who apply for SNAP will also get TANF(temporary Assistance to Needy Families) or cash. These allowances are good until the child(ren) reach the age of 18 or there is an improvement in their finances. Some of these folks who are on public assistance and have children over the age of 5 are required to work 20-30 hours per week.

SNAP benefits are given to you each month on a plastic card called an EBT(electronic benefits transfer) card, which works like a debit card. ... SNAP is a nutrition program. It is not a welfare cash assistance program (which is called TAFDC). You do not have to be receiving TAFDC to get SNAP — these are separate programs.

http://www.gettingfoodstamps.org/whatissnap.html

 

While the snap program is administered by the welfare dept, it is generally not considered "welfare" in the traditional sense. 

FM
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Drugb posted:
skeldon_man posted:
SNAP is part of the welfare system. It is considered as public assistance. People with children who apply for SNAP will also get TANF(temporary Assistance to Needy Families) or cash. These allowances are good until the child(ren) reach the age of 18 or there is an improvement in their finances. Some of these folks who are on public assistance and have children over the age of 5 are required to work 20-30 hours per week.

SNAP benefits are given to you each month on a plastic card called an EBT(electronic benefits transfer) card, which works like a debit card. ... SNAP is a nutrition program. It is not a welfare cash assistance program (which is called TAFDC). You do not have to be receiving TAFDC to get SNAP — these are separate programs.

http://www.gettingfoodstamps.org/whatissnap.html

 

While the snap program is administered by the welfare dept, it is generally not considered "welfare" in the traditional sense. 

Banna you beating around the bush,

read here

Now do some research from 'real source" and show us the breakdown of recipients of US Welfare System.

Django
Drugb posted:
skeldon_man posted:
SNAP is part of the welfare system. It is considered as public assistance. People with children who apply for SNAP will also get TANF(temporary Assistance to Needy Families) or cash. These allowances are good until the child(ren) reach the age of 18 or there is an improvement in their finances. Some of these folks who are on public assistance and have children over the age of 5 are required to work 20-30 hours per week.

SNAP benefits are given to you each month on a plastic card called an EBT(electronic benefits transfer) card, which works like a debit card. ... SNAP is a nutrition program. It is not a welfare cash assistance program (which is called TAFDC). You do not have to be receiving TAFDC to get SNAP — these are separate programs.

http://www.gettingfoodstamps.org/whatissnap.html

 

While the snap program is administered by the welfare dept, it is generally not considered "welfare" in the traditional sense. 

I worked 5 years for the welfare system. The programs are for low income people.
SNAP is a nutrition program. It is not a welfare cash assistance program. If you do get cash and food stamp, both benefits are loaded to your EBT card and you can only withdraw the cash part of your benefits. The rest of the benefits must be redeemed for food. If you do live below certain income level, you do get these benefits administered by DHS. There are about 8 different programs like SNAP, TANF, AABD...
I know of a Guyanese lady(about 75 years old), never worked a day in her life in US, yet she collects FS and cash, rent, etc. She is considered a welfare recipient.

FM
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Django posted:
Drugb posted:
skeldon_man posted:
SNAP is part of the welfare system. It is considered as public assistance. People with children who apply for SNAP will also get TANF(temporary Assistance to Needy Families) or cash. These allowances are good until the child(ren) reach the age of 18 or there is an improvement in their finances. Some of these folks who are on public assistance and have children over the age of 5 are required to work 20-30 hours per week.

SNAP benefits are given to you each month on a plastic card called an EBT(electronic benefits transfer) card, which works like a debit card. ... SNAP is a nutrition program. It is not a welfare cash assistance program (which is called TAFDC). You do not have to be receiving TAFDC to get SNAP — these are separate programs.

http://www.gettingfoodstamps.org/whatissnap.html

 

While the snap program is administered by the welfare dept, it is generally not considered "welfare" in the traditional sense. 

Banna you beating around the bush,

read here

Now do some research from 'real source" and show us the breakdown of recipients of US Welfare System.

Normally you don't proclaim a person to be on welfare if they just get food stamps. Welfare in the general sense refers to a person out of work, not collecting unemployment and able to work but is unemployed.  You should not paint was a broad brush and proclaim a person on welfare if they just collect food stamps. Just my opinion. Many elderly on SSN benefits who are retired are getting food stamps and supplemental health care assistance. Now if you want to classify these retired folks as being on "welfare" then that it your prerogative. 

FM
Drugb posted:

Normally you don't proclaim a person to be on welfare if they just get food stamps. Welfare in the general sense refers to a person out of work, not collecting unemployment and able to work but is unemployed.  You should not paint was a broad brush and proclaim a person on welfare if they just collect food stamps. Just my opinion. Many elderly on SSN benefits who are retired are getting food stamps and supplemental health care assistance. Now if you want to classify these retired folks as being on "welfare" then that it your prerogative. 

the term was broadly applicable to the national welfare ie a safety net to capture those failing a baseline in specific areas from child care, health care, poverty as distinct from corporate welfare. Corporate welfare is gargantum and it all goes to white folks! The numbers above is self evidently bogus.

 

Why don't you "smart" people edit your post so quotes are not duplicated and the thread becones a mess?

FM
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skeldon_man posted:

I worked 5 years for the welfare system. The programs are for low income people.
SNAP is a nutrition program. It is not a welfare cash assistance program. If you do get cash and food stamp, both benefits are loaded to your EBT card and you can only withdraw the cash part of your benefits. The rest of the benefits must be redeemed for food. If you do live below certain income level, you do get these benefits administered by DHS. There are about 8 different programs like SNAP, TANF, AABD...
I know of a Guyanese lady(about 75 years old), never worked a day in her life in US, yet she collects FS and cash, rent, etc. She is considered a welfare recipient.

Apparently for a person working in the system for 5 years, you are not discerning of the term.

This definition may assist us in a consensus. 

Welfare dependency is the state in which a person or household is reliant on government welfare benefits for their income for a prolonged period of time, and without which they would not be able to meet the expenses of daily living. The United States Department of Health and Human Services defines welfare dependency as the proportion of all individuals in families which receive more than 50 percent of their total annual income from Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF), food stamps, and/or Supplemental Security Income (SSI) benefits.[1] Typically viewed as a social problem, it has been the subject of major welfare reform efforts since the mid-20th century, primarily focused on trying to make recipients self-sufficient through paid work. While the term "welfare dependency" can be used pejoratively, for the purposes of this article it shall be used to indicate a particular situation of persistent poverty.

FM
Chief posted:
Cobra posted:
RiffRaff posted:

So which portion of the report you disagree with?

This report is totally strayed from the whole truth about Schenectady. There are many good that Guyanese have done to Schenectady that's missing from the report. Everywhere there Is good and bad, but still people find Schenectady to be home to family, job and leisure, etc., for almost two decades. 

Have to agree with Cobra.

This report is flawed.

the report was about the city at large and no mention was made of Guyanese. 

That city is in fact a mess with its most enterprising residents fleeing to more lucrative places. I bet that the kids of these Guyanese migrants will do the same as soon as they can.

FM
Drugb posted:
yuji22 posted:

I personally know someone who owns over thirty apartments. African Americans on welfare are a majority of his tenants, (he uses a "section something" term ) to describe their status and how their rent are paid.

The writer of that article needs to have his or her brain examined.

Yuji22

 

This is section 8 assistance.  CaribJ is well aware of this type of entitlement. In the past there were some concern that he was a recipient which he denied. 

Druggie doesn't cease to scream about being a proud member of the Indo KKK.  Some one is black so must be on welfare in the scrambled mind of this drug addict.

Druggie among immigrant groups in NYC I bet you wouldn't guess which have the highest welfare dependence.  Jews.  Which have the lowest.  Black immigrants.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...verty_n_5240355.html

These measure poor and near poor rates in NYC.  Note that Asians have the highest and blacks only higher than it is for whites.

So go haul your crack and opioid addicted brain elsewhere. You can take your Indo KKK buddy Ksaz with you as well.

FM
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caribny posted:

Druggie doesn't cease to scream about being a proud member of the Indo KKK.  Some one is black so must be on welfare in the scrambled mind of this drug addict.

Druggie among immigrant groups in NYC I bet you wouldn't guess which have the highest welfare dependence.  Jews.  Which have the lowest.  Black immigrants.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...verty_n_5240355.html

These measure poor and near poor rates in NYC.  Note that Asians have the highest and blacks only higher than it is for whites.

So go haul your crack and opioid addicted brain elsewhere. You can take your Indo KKK buddy Ksaz with you as well.

Stop throwing a tantrum, don't blame the messenger.  I just report what data is collected. Either way I don't care if blacks are 0% or 50% in poverty. The numbers don't lie. 

FM
Drugb posted:
caribny posted:

Druggie doesn't cease to scream about being a proud member of the Indo KKK.  Some one is black so must be on welfare in the scrambled mind of this drug addict.

Druggie among immigrant groups in NYC I bet you wouldn't guess which have the highest welfare dependence.  Jews.  Which have the lowest.  Black immigrants.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...verty_n_5240355.html

These measure poor and near poor rates in NYC.  Note that Asians have the highest and blacks only higher than it is for whites.

So go haul your crack and opioid addicted brain elsewhere. You can take your Indo KKK buddy Ksaz with you as well.

Stop throwing a tantrum, don't blame the messenger.  I just report what data is collected. Either way I don't care if blacks are 0% or 50% in poverty. The numbers don't lie. 

the numbers say that blacks in NYC aren't the poorest group and to your shock that distinction becomes to Asians.  In addition 95% of Jamaicans are NOT on public assistance.  I use them as a proxy for black immigrants from the English speaking Caribbean.

So you need to cease your racist nonsense that black immigrants are a welfare dependent group.

And you are a messenger for hatred and bigotry.  That is the only message that you bring.

FM
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caribny posted:

the numbers say that blacks in NYC aren't the poorest group and to your shock that distinction becomes to Asians.  In addition 95% of Jamaicans are NOT on public assistance.  I use them as a proxy for black immigrants from the English speaking Caribbean.

So you need to cease your racist nonsense that black immigrants are a welfare dependent group.

And you are a messenger for hatred and bigotry.  That is the only message that you bring.

Asians are a very broad group. Now you lump chinee man with the rest of us.

See below and weep.

CULTURE

Asian Americans Are the Poorest Minority Group in New York City

 

Asian-Americans have the highest poverty rate out of any ethnic group in New York with 27%  living in need of a permanent job, according to the city’s data.

Each day in downtown Flushing in the New York City borough of Queens, thousands of day laborers gather on street corners hoping to find work.

 

 

FM
caribny posted:
Drugb posted:
caribny posted:

Druggie doesn't cease to scream about being a proud member of the Indo KKK.  Some one is black so must be on welfare in the scrambled mind of this drug addict.

Druggie among immigrant groups in NYC I bet you wouldn't guess which have the highest welfare dependence.  Jews.  Which have the lowest.  Black immigrants.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...verty_n_5240355.html

These measure poor and near poor rates in NYC.  Note that Asians have the highest and blacks only higher than it is for whites.

So go haul your crack and opioid addicted brain elsewhere. You can take your Indo KKK buddy Ksaz with you as well.

Stop throwing a tantrum, don't blame the messenger.  I just report what data is collected. Either way I don't care if blacks are 0% or 50% in poverty. The numbers don't lie. 

the numbers say that blacks in NYC aren't the poorest group and to your shock that distinction becomes to Asians.  In addition 95% of Jamaicans are NOT on public assistance.  I use them as a proxy for black immigrants from the English speaking Caribbean.

So you need to cease your racist nonsense that black immigrants are a welfare dependent group.

And you are a messenger for hatred and bigotry.  That is the only message that you bring.

Blacks from the west indies came to Europe and NA better educated than most unil H1B begin to operate with indians. In England for example, west indian blacks earn on average better than most white folks. Black Guyanese are not spoken of often but in the US, they are compared to Indians the most with college degrees.

 

BTW american civil rights leaders have a high proportion of individuals from the west indies.

FM
Stormborn posted:
caribny posted:
Drugb posted:
caribny posted:

Druggie doesn't cease to scream about being a proud member of the Indo KKK.  Some one is black so must be on welfare in the scrambled mind of this drug addict.

Druggie among immigrant groups in NYC I bet you wouldn't guess which have the highest welfare dependence.  Jews.  Which have the lowest.  Black immigrants.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...verty_n_5240355.html

These measure poor and near poor rates in NYC.  Note that Asians have the highest and blacks only higher than it is for whites.

So go haul your crack and opioid addicted brain elsewhere. You can take your Indo KKK buddy Ksaz with you as well.

Stop throwing a tantrum, don't blame the messenger.  I just report what data is collected. Either way I don't care if blacks are 0% or 50% in poverty. The numbers don't lie. 

the numbers say that blacks in NYC aren't the poorest group and to your shock that distinction becomes to Asians.  In addition 95% of Jamaicans are NOT on public assistance.  I use them as a proxy for black immigrants from the English speaking Caribbean.

So you need to cease your racist nonsense that black immigrants are a welfare dependent group.

And you are a messenger for hatred and bigotry.  That is the only message that you bring.

Blacks from the west indies came to Europe and NA better educated than most unil H1B begin to operate with indians. In England for example, west indian blacks earn on average better than most white folks. Black Guyanese are not spoken of often but in the US, they are compared to Indians the most with college degrees.

 

BTW american civil rights leaders have a high proportion of individuals from the west indies.

If this is the case then kudos to my fellow Guyanese. I love to see my people make progress.

Billy Ram Balgobin
Billy Ram Balgobin posted:
Chief posted:

Carribean immigrants who also classified themselves as blacks are doing way better than African Americans in NYc.

Al Sharpton would disagree with you.

Why do you think he would.  A common lament of black Americans of his generation is that "these West Indians take all the jobs, and all the houses".  The debate isn't that black immigrants do better. Its about WHY they do better. 

Statistics indicate that black immigrants do better ONLY among those who are less educated.  Black Americans with college degrees do better than black immigrants. Black Americans who didn't finish high school do tremendously worse.  So the problem isn't among black Americans overall. Its among those locked in the poverty syndrome.

FM
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The fact remains that there are no hard statistics to prove or disprove the economic success of Black Guyanese compared to Indo Guyanese in the US.  We can only extrapolate based on perception. I know of sizable populations of Black Guyanese living in the slums of Brooklyn NY, Orange, Irvington, East Orange.  Sizable amounts of Indo Guyanese live in RH(not considered a slum area) and Newark NJ(borderline slum). 

Until a study is done we will not have hard facts to make any meaningful comparison. I suggest that these comparisons are better off being left alone and we should concentrate on how jackasses in govt are ruining Guyana. 

FM
Drugb posted:

The fact remains that there are no hard statistics to prove or disprove the economic success of Black Guyanese compared to Indo Guyanese in the US. .. 

And yet you scream that you are superior.  Why is that?  Is it that you collapse into self loathing unless you can convince yourself that black Guyanese are inferior?

I invite you to compare the data that the NYC has on immigrants. It will show that Guyanese and Jamaicans are on par with each other. And in fact that Jamaicans are slightly MORE likely to be in professional and management positions (both men and women) and many (25% of the men) are in construction which has some of the best blue collar wages.

Unless you can prove that black Guyanese do worse than Jamaicans then we must infer that Indo Guyanese are on par with their Afro counterparts.

FM
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Also druggie Indo Guyanese have been condemned by many Queens whites for creating over crowded conditions.  To them that is a ghetto life, even if the surrounding community isn't.

FM
caribny posted:
Drugb posted:

The fact remains that there are no hard statistics to prove or disprove the economic success of Black Guyanese compared to Indo Guyanese in the US. .. 

And yet you scream that you are superior.  Why is that?  Is it that you collapse into self loathing unless you can convince yourself that black Guyanese are inferior?

I invite you to compare the data that the NYC has on immigrants. It will show that Guyanese and Jamaicans are on par with each other. And in fact that Jamaicans are slightly MORE likely to be in professional and management positions (both men and women) and many (25% of the men) are in construction which has some of the best blue collar wages.

Unless you can prove that black Guyanese do worse than Jamaicans then we must infer that Indo Guyanese are on par with their Afro counterparts.

It is doubtful, first of all, if you look at the Indo's in Guyana and see how their villages always seem to be in better economic shape than Afro, then extrapolate this to the US where you can go to RH and see how Indos are owing their own properties and upkeeping to a high standard. The BlackG we have little information on and they blend in seamlessly with the AfroAmericans and Caribbean. You claim that there is a AfroG Mali somewhere in the US but we are yet to see evidence of this. A tiger normally will not change his stripes. 

FM
caribny posted:

Also druggie Indo Guyanese have been condemned by many Queens whites for creating over crowded conditions.  To them that is a ghetto life, even if the surrounding community isn't.

This is where you argument falls apart. Overcrowded conditions is typical for all immigrants, it is a rite of passage going back to the 18th century. Italians, Jews, Irish etc. It is a means to an end, maybe AfroG can learn something from this. First you live in overcrowded conditions and save money, then one by one you break off and buy homes, helping each other along the way. Once in Guyana, a fellow Trini, brother of Carl Boyce had this discussion with me, him an adult and me a child. He said his observation was that Indos help each other to achieve, pointing to my aunt who as the matriarch of the family gave us all a start in business. He said that Blacks did not follow this pattern, you were on your own as soon as you became an adult. 

FM
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Drugb posted:
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It is doubtful, .. 

The data is there. Go and argue with the NYC Dept of planning that they have forced you to spend endless days weeping and wailing and feeling suicidal that they failed to show that Guyanese are twice as rich as Jamaicans.

Its amazing how much you invest in your need to show that Indians are better?

Why is that?

If a successful Afro Guyanese is shown in GNI you collapse into paroxysms of rage instead of congratulating a fellow Guyanese.

Why is that?

FM
Drugb posted:
caribny posted:

.. Overcrowded conditions is typical for all immigrants, .

Yes earlier waves of immigrants often exploit their fellow ethnics forcing them to live in unsuitable conditions.

FM

It has already been shown that black immigrants outperform American blacks. What you need to show is that Afro Guyanese UNDER perform other black immigrants.

In fact people born in South America who self identify as blacks outperform even other black immigrant groups.  The bulk of these will be Guyanese because Colombian and Ecuadorian immigrants to the USA don't self identify as blacks. Data on Caribbean black immigrants are diluted by those migrating from Haiti, Cuba and the DR who do less well than do those from the English speaking islands, this for obvious reasons.

Druggie as hard as you want to paint Afro Guyanese as ghetto dwellers all you do is reveal your racist nature. Yes you and Ksazma.

The data indicates that there is little difference in how immigrants from assorted English speaking Caribbean nations perform. Jamaicans do NOT under perform Guyanese or Trinidadian even though this is a 95% black group.  So either blacks from Guyana and T&T are losers when compared to Jamaican blacks, or Indo Caribbean migrants to the USA perform around the same as do those of African descent.

Now examine within the machinations of your racist brain why suggesting that Afro Caribbean = Indo Caribbean performance in the USA is something that you find to be so offensive.  It is a neutral statement.

FM
caribny posted:
Drugb posted:
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It is doubtful, .. 

The data is there. Go and argue with the NYC Dept of planning that they have forced you to spend endless days weeping and wailing and feeling suicidal that they failed to show that Guyanese are twice as rich as Jamaicans.

Its amazing how much you invest in your need to show that Indians are better?

Why is that?

If a successful Afro Guyanese is shown in GNI you collapse into paroxysms of rage instead of congratulating a fellow Guyanese.

Why is that?

It is not about investing but what each and every one of us have experienced, many of our Afro Black acquaintances are always begging us for money or experiencing hard times. We must be hanging around the wrong set of Afro Blacks as this seems to be the exception according to you there is a AfroG utopia where AfroGs are at the top of the food chain and IndoGs are beggar man. 

FM
caribny posted:
Drugb posted:
caribny posted:

.. Overcrowded conditions is typical for all immigrants, .

Yes earlier waves of immigrants often exploit their fellow ethnics forcing them to live in unsuitable conditions.

You don't get the point, it is about sharing homes for a common goal. When an Indog comes from Guyana to the US, the first stop is in a family's basement or in one case I saw a family converted their bath room into a temporary bedroom to accommodate one of their own. The poor fellow had to endure stench every time someone took a crap for a few morning the when he could afford it he finally got his own apartment a few years later. This is sacrifice that many of us endure until we can do better. 

FM
Drugb posted:

It is not about investing but what each and every one of us have experienced, many of our Afro Black acquaintances are always begging us for money or experiencing hard times. We must be hanging around the wrong set of Afro Blacks as this seems to be the exception according to you there is a AfroG utopia where AfroGs are at the top of the food chain and IndoGs are beggar man. 

This is a lot of conflation, mixing of apples & oranges, etc., for dishonest polemic convenience.

Are these Afro-Guyanese or African Americans who calling you massa and kissing your uneducated ring?

Please be clear/consistent so we all can follow

 

FM
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Homme posted:
Drugb posted:

It is not about investing but what each and every one of us have experienced, many of our Afro Black acquaintances are always begging us for money or experiencing hard times. We must be hanging around the wrong set of Afro Blacks as this seems to be the exception according to you there is a AfroG utopia where AfroGs are at the top of the food chain and IndoGs are beggar man. 

This is a lot of conflation, mixing of apples & oranges, etc., for dishonest polemic convenience.

Are these Afro-Guyanese or African Americans who calling you massa and kissing your uneducated ring?

Please be clear/consistent so we all can follow

 

Homme, if you were a reasonable man you would concede my point. Drive through East Orange or Orange NJ and see how AfroG have to dodge bullets to survive, I feel sorry for them, not sure why they choose to live in these bad areas. Meanwhile whenever political parties comes for donation we see Afros dodging Granger et al, holding on tight tight to their purse strings while the PPP enjoy the opulence of donations from the IndoG communities. 

FM
Drugb posted:
Homme posted:
Drugb posted:

It is not about investing but what each and every one of us have experienced, many of our Afro Black acquaintances are always begging us for money or experiencing hard times. We must be hanging around the wrong set of Afro Blacks as this seems to be the exception according to you there is a AfroG utopia where AfroGs are at the top of the food chain and IndoGs are beggar man. 

This is a lot of conflation, mixing of apples & oranges, etc., for dishonest polemic convenience.

Are these Afro-Guyanese or African Americans who calling you massa and kissing your uneducated ring?

Please be clear/consistent so we all can follow

 

Homme, if you were a reasonable man you would concede my point. Drive through East Orange or Orange NJ and see how AfroG have to dodge bullets to survive, I feel sorry for them, not sure why they choose to live in these bad areas. Meanwhile whenever political parties comes for donation we see Afros dodging Granger et al, holding on tight tight to their purse strings while the PPP enjoy the opulence of donations from the IndoG communities

Afro-Guyanese "dodge bullets to survive" in these communities??! You are surely not interested in sane conversation.

Not sure what relevant point you are making in the latter part (see highlighted) of your race screed.

But more to the point, why are you dodging my original question?

FM
Drugb posted:

The fact remains that there are no hard statistics to prove or disprove the economic success of Black Guyanese compared to Indo Guyanese in the US.  We can only extrapolate based on perception. I know of sizable populations of Black Guyanese living in the slums of Brooklyn NY, Orange, Irvington, East Orange.  Sizable amounts of Indo Guyanese live in RH(not considered a slum area) and Newark NJ(borderline slum). 

Until a study is done we will not have hard facts to make any meaningful comparison. I suggest that these comparisons are better off being left alone and we should concentrate on how jackasses in govt are ruining Guyana. 

And yet you persist in racist stereotyping, roping in statistics of African American poverty to embroider your "perception."

Do you really know what "extrapolate" means?

It's clear that your argumentation is not ready for prime time.

Stick to the rumshop

FM
Homme posted:
Drugb posted:

The fact remains that there are no hard statistics to prove or disprove the economic success of Black Guyanese compared to Indo Guyanese in the US.  We can only extrapolate based on perception. I know of sizable populations of Black Guyanese living in the slums of Brooklyn NY, Orange, Irvington, East Orange.  Sizable amounts of Indo Guyanese live in RH(not considered a slum area) and Newark NJ(borderline slum). 

Until a study is done we will not have hard facts to make any meaningful comparison. I suggest that these comparisons are better off being left alone and we should concentrate on how jackasses in govt are ruining Guyana. 

And yet you persist in racist stereotyping, roping in statistics of African American poverty to embroider your "perception."

Do you really know what "extrapolate" means?

It's clear that your argumentation is not ready for prime time.

Stick to the rumshop

Whattax !!!

That fella should take a break and recuperate,

licks t@rass.

Django
Homme posted:

And yet you persist in racist stereotyping, roping in statistics of African American poverty to embroider your "perception."

Do you really know what "extrapolate" means?

It's clear that your argumentation is not ready for prime time.

Stick to the rumshop

Are you serious? You really believe AfroG are doing just as well or even better than Indos?  You must be playing stupide as any sensible person will concede that the probability that Afrog's are doing worse is the US based on a perusal of their communities in Brooklyn, East Orange, Orange and Irvington where they are mostly apartment dwellers living among the most dangerous criminals in the US. 

I see slow boy is now your fan. 

FM
Drugb posted:
Homme posted:

And yet you persist in racist stereotyping, roping in statistics of African American poverty to embroider your "perception."

Do you really know what "extrapolate" means?

It's clear that your argumentation is not ready for prime time.

Stick to the rumshop

Are you serious? You really believe AfroG are doing just as well or even better than Indos?  You must be playing stupide as any sensible person will concede that the probability that Afrog's are doing worse is the US based on a perusal of their communities in Brooklyn, East Orange, Orange and Irvington where they are mostly apartment dwellers living among the most dangerous criminals in the US. 

Stop embarrassing yourself sir, you are way too ignorant to even approach understanding what i "believe"

And as i peel you like I would a stink, rotten onion, closing your eyes and chanting confused nonsense over and over to take the focus off what I actually write will not make the obloquy disappear

Now run along and do what you do best.

Sit, dig and smell with your low-achieving peers yuji, nehru, skeldon-man and the rest in that 'special' feces laden corner of the GNI sandlot.

FM
Homme posted:
Stop embarrassing yourself sir, you are way too ignorant to even approach understanding what i "believe" And as i peel you like I would a stink, rotten onion, closing your eyes and chanting confused nonsense over and over to take the focus off what I actually write will not make the obloquy disappear Now run along and do what you do best.  Sit, dig and smell with your low-achieving peers yuji, nehru, skeldon-man and the rest in that 'special' feces laden corner of the GNI sandlot.

You may bury your head in the sand and pretend that the US has been a utopia for AfroGs but the evidence and perception does not support this position. 

FM
Drugb posted:
Homme posted:
Stop embarrassing yourself sir, you are way too ignorant to even approach understanding what i "believe." And as i peel you like I would a stink, rotten onion, closing your eyes and chanting confused nonsense over and over to take the focus off what I actually write will not make the obloquy disappear. Now run along and do what you do best.  Sit, dig and smell with your low-achieving peers yuji, nehru, skeldon-man and the rest in that 'special' feces laden corner of the GNI sandlot.

You may bury your head in the sand and pretend that the US has been a utopia for AfroGs but the evidence and perception does not support this position. 

This desperation tic of yours to create 'special' facts out of your personal bowel effluent is fascinating to watch

How does it taste?

now run along like i said

FM
Drugb posted:
, many of our Afro Black acquaintances are always begging us for money or experiencing hard times. We must be hanging

Druggie you are a racist jackass so clearly only those blacks with no self respect will hang around you.

The fact that all the blacks who you know beg you says more about you than anything else.

FM
Drugb posted:
caribny posted:
Drugb posted:
caribny posted:

.. Overcrowded conditions is typical for all immigrants, .

Yes earlier waves of immigrants often exploit their fellow ethnics forcing them to live in unsuitable conditions.

You don't get the point, it is about sharing homes for a common goal. When an

good, then let people fester in filth and unhealthy conditions.  Overcrowding is a health hazard.

FM
Homme posted:

This desperation tic of yours to create 'special' facts out of your personal bowel effluent is fascinating to watch

How does it taste?

now run along like i said

Your writing style reminds me of a previous poster, "knee pad burkey" from some 10 years back. Maybe you reincarnated. 

Your bathroom reference seem to indicate the extent of your vocabulary. 

FM
Drugb posted:
 

 

Homme, if you were a reasonable man you would concede my point.

It is a fact that your ego (and that of Ksazma) rest on finding indigent blacks.

http://www.city-data.com/pover...ange-New-Jersey.html

Most people who live in East Orange aren't poor.  Care tell why you only know the poor ones?

FM
Drugb posted:
Homme posted:

This desperation tic of yours to create 'special' facts out of your personal bowel effluent is fascinating to watch

How does it taste?

now run along like i said

Your writing style reminds me of a previous poster, "knee pad burkey" from some 10 years back. Maybe you reincarnated. 

Your bathroom reference seem to indicate the extent of your vocabulary. 

deal with my facts, no one is following your red herrings

FM
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Drugb posted:
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You may bury your head in the sand and pretend that the US has been a utopia for AfroGs but the evidence and perception does not support this position. 

And yet you have failed to provide data to prove that most Afro Guyanese living in the USA are failures and you even admitted your inability to do this.

So you go find all of the poor ones and then scream "voila!".

In fact data suggests that 75% of the people in East Orange aren't poor.  This being true both of the native and the foreign born.

FM
Drugb posted:
 

You may bury your head in the sand and pretend that the US has been a utopia for AfroGs but the evidence and perception does not support this position. 

Given that there is no evidence that black Guyanese do worse than Indian Guyanese as immigrants to the USA then you can no more argue that its a hell hole for black immigrants if it isn't also for Indo Guyanese.

All you have proven to date is that your fragile ego cannot bare the sight of successful black Guyanese so you go through homeless shelters trying to find the failures.

FM
caribny posted:

Druggie you are a racist jackass so clearly only those blacks with no self respect will hang around you.

The fact that all the blacks who you know beg you says more about you than anything else.

These are harsh words intent to belittle, just because I gave my personal experience. Granted that my experience may be the exception but this does not mean I am incorrect. I invite you to meet me in NJ so we can tour the 3 aforementioned cities so we can together do a walkabout and impromptu interviews to get to the bottom of this issue.  I suspect you will find an excuse to decline my offer because you already know the answer. 

FM
Drugb posted:
 

Are you serious? You really believe AfroG are doing just as well or even better than Indos? . 

It is your own racist nature that leads you to conclude that when in fact you have yet to find data to support this.

If it is so evident that Afro Caribbean immigrants are failures then it should be easy for you to demonstrate that Jamaicans (95% black) considerably underperform Guyanese (60% Indian).

Here are the facts. A large % of Afro Caribbean households consist of single female heads of households, and there is LESS overcrowding meaning that there are fewer income earning adults within each household.  This because the kids tend to leave.  Extended family members are less likely to reside in a given household.

This should suggest that with fewer income earning adults in each household then Guyanese should way out earn Jamaicans, given that in each home there are more income earning adults.  The evidence is that there is no significant difference.  This will suggest that in fact the average adult in a Guyanese household is earning LESS than is the case in the average Jamaican household.

I mean for a group where many households consist of only one adult income earner compared to another group where at least 3 income earning adults live suggests that Indo Guyanese aren't out performing Afro Caribbean people.

But I await your data to show that Jamaicans only earn 60% of what Guyanese households earn.  Or alternatively for you to show that Afro Guyanese households only earn 60% of black Jamaican households.

You are welcomed to continue to roll through homeless shelters to find Guyanese blacks who call you massa and beg from you! It is to be understood by the mental breakdowns that you have every time a successful Guyanese black is highlighted that your self esteem doesn't depend on what you have done, or who you are.  It depends on the notion that at the very least you are better than blacks.

 

FM
caribny posted:
Drugb posted:
 

 

Homme, if you were a reasonable man you would concede my point.

It is a fact that your ego (and that of Ksazma) rest on finding indigent blacks.

http://www.city-data.com/pover...ange-New-Jersey.html

Most people who live in East Orange aren't poor.  Care tell why you only know the poor ones?

Poor is a relative term, the town in general considered slummy at least by the upward mobile.  East Orange, Orange and Irvington are 80,70 and 80 % blacks, white will not buy properties there. The crime rates are also high in these towns and schools horrible.  These are transitional towns for many who will move on to other more affluent towns once they have achieved upward mobility.  The same can be said for IndoG's living in RH, Bronx and Newark. But what is important is that while the IndoG will save his pennies and invest in homes, the AfroGs will continue to be apartment dwellers for decades. 

FM
caribny posted:

It is a fact that your ego (and that of Ksazma) rest on finding indigent blacks.

http://www.city-data.com/pover...ange-New-Jersey.html

Most people who live in East Orange aren't poor.  Care tell why you only know the poor ones?

Who said anything about being poor? The question is comparing IndoG vs AfroG, who has done better? Look at your own life to answer this question, do you own a home? Are you receiving govt assistance, section 8 to be specific? Meanwhile an Indo will sub with his family to buy a property and slowly but surely each Indo in the family will eventually own a home. Even the Indos in the slop can crew can confirm that this is how we as a group roll. 

FM

Data to support the different composition of Guyanese and Jamaican households in NYC.  It can be assumed that the differences in composition are reflective of the fact that a majority of Guyanese households are Indo Guyanese (usually estimated at 60%).

 

35% of Jamaicans live in households with married couples, 27% with female heads and 32% non family (usually single people).  For Guyanese the numbers are 48%, 27% and 19%.  This shows that the average Jamaican lives in a household with fewer adults with a high % being single. or living with unrelated adults who therefore aren't part of their household.

Jamaicans are slightly more educated with fewer than 21% having less than high school education and 21% having college or more. Guyanese were at 26% and 16% respectively.  Both countries suffer extreme brain drain.

Jamaicans between 17-24 had a high school drop out rate of around 7% between 2007-2011.  For Guyanese it was around 12%.

13% of Jamaican households were poor vs. 16% of Guyanese households. Median household income in 2011 for Jamaicans was $49k and for Guyanese at $51k.  Note the fact that 65% of Jamaicans live in households with likely just one adult income earner being present, whereas 53% for Guyanese.  This means that Guyanese had more income earners per household but yet these households only generated $2k more.

Druggie this data comes from the NYC Dept. of Planning and it indicates that there is little statistical difference in the socio economic status of Jamaican vs. Guyanese households.

I know that this puts you on suicide watch, but hey what the heck!

FM
caribny posted:

You are welcomed to continue to roll through homeless shelters to find Guyanese blacks who call you massa and beg from you! It is to be understood by the mental breakdowns that you have every time a successful Guyanese black is highlighted that your self esteem doesn't depend on what you have done, or who you are.  It depends on the notion that at the very least you are better than blacks.

 

In fact I already indicated that no such data exists so all we can do is extrapolate based on what we know historically about AfroGs as well as informal observations. For instance my reference to personal experience where my AfroG associates would beg for a raise or always crying financial issues.  In addition general observations about encounters in run down cities as I have previously mentioned. 

FM
Drugb posted:
 

Who said anything about being poor? The question is comparing IndoG vs AfroG, who has done better?

You don't know my life but I can tell from yours that you have done poorly because you have this incessant need to prove that you are better than I am.

I showed data which indicates that the median status of Guyanese and Jamaicans fall within the same statistical range.

You are free to show that Afro Guyanese do so much worse than do Jamaicans that this offsets any advantage that Indo Guyanese have.

Given that you don't live in an Indo Guyanese neighborhood why do you assume that most Afro Guyanese do?

FM
Drugb posted:
caribny posted:

You are welcomed to continue to roll through homeless shelters to find Guyanese blacks who call you massa and beg from you! It is to be understood by the mental breakdowns that you have every time a successful Guyanese black is highlighted that your self esteem doesn't depend on what you have done, or who you are.  It depends on the notion that at the very least you are better than blacks.

 

In fact I already indicated that no such data exists

So then you will have to conclude that while you would like to think that Afro Caribbean people are failures you cannot prove that.

So why not be honest and state that because you perceive yourself to be a loser that you need to think that black immigrants are doing even worse?

FM
Drugb posted:
. For instance my reference to personal experience where my AfroG associates would beg for a raise or always crying financial issues.  

We have already established the fact that the only Afro Guyanese who tolerate your pathetic presence are the poor ones, so this is where your impression comes from.

I bet you don't know any Afro Guyanese who own professional service companies.  No you don't as any who do something other than security guard work intimidate you.

Let us look at how you and I argue our case. I go to third party data based on US census figures. So I am not limiting myself to those who I encounter, but to a large sampling of the populations as reflected in US census data.

You roam through certain neighborhoods where your impoverished disciples live, conclude that every one who lives there must be Afro Guyanese and also conclude that this represents how most Afro Guyanese live.

Most will see that there is a clear difference in our intellect and educational backgrounds. 

You are simple, stupid and uneducated so you don't even know where to find this data or how to analyze this.  You are also too dumb to understand that the social networks that you are in might not reflect how a given population lives.

FM
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caribny posted:
Drugb posted:
caribny posted:

You are welcomed to continue to roll through homeless shelters to find Guyanese blacks who call you massa and beg from you! It is to be understood by the mental breakdowns that you have every time a successful Guyanese black is highlighted that your self esteem doesn't depend on what you have done, or who you are.  It depends on the notion that at the very least you are better than blacks.

 

In fact I already indicated that no such data exists

So then you will have to conclude that while you would like to think that Afro Caribbean people are failures you cannot prove that.

So why not be honest and state that because you perceive yourself to be a loser that you need to think that black immigrants are doing even worse?

I never said anyone were failures. Just that a tiger will not lose his stripe.  Growing up in Guyana and visiting over the years have reinforced these stereotypes that Afros will sport out his money and neglect his house. We see this same methodology being applied by the Granger govt.  The other day I met a white mechanic with a shop in a Black area, and he said nonchalantly "A black will spend money on beautifying his car but live in a dump and starve the next day". 

FM
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Drugb posted:
 

I never said anyone were failures.

What does Granger have to do with what Afro Guyanese immigrants in the USA do?  Especially as, aside from a few soup lickers, most either don't give a damn about politics in Guyana, or have a dim view of him.

I am still awaiting statistical data to bolster your point.  Given that you cannot find this I suggest that you descend into a mental breakdown.  This at your inability to prove that you are superior to blacks.

FM
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caribny posted:
Drugb posted:
 

I never said anyone were failures.

What does Granger have to do with what Afro Guyanese immigrants in the USA do?  Especially as, aside from a few soup lickers, most either don't give a damn about politics in Guyana, or have a dim view of him.

I am still awaiting statistical data to bolster your point.  Given that you cannot find this I suggest that you descend into a mental breakdown.  This at your inability to prove that you are superior to blacks.

I am superior to no one, maybe except djangy.  Granger embodies the attitude of many AfroGs in wealth accumulation, spend on sport and let tomorrow take care of it self.  

BTW, I am still waiting for you to accept my invitation to Jersey to put this discussion to bed for once and for all. If it is train fare that is preventing you accepting, then let me know and I can fund this. 

FM
Drugb posted:
caribny posted:
Drugb posted:
 

I never said anyone were failures.

What does Granger have to do with what Afro Guyanese immigrants in the USA do?  Especially as, aside from a few soup lickers, most either don't give a damn about politics in Guyana, or have a dim view of him.

I am still awaiting statistical data to bolster your point.  Given that you cannot find this I suggest that you descend into a mental breakdown.  This at your inability to prove that you are superior to blacks.

I am superior to no one, maybe except djangy.  Granger embodies the attitude of many AfroGs in wealth accumulation, spend on sport and let tomorrow take care of it self.  

BTW, I am still waiting for you to accept my invitation to Jersey to put this discussion to bed for once and for all. If it is train fare that is preventing you accepting, then let me know and I can fund this. 

he ain gon come. 

S
seignet posted:
Drugb posted:
caribny posted:
Drugb posted:
 

I never said anyone were failures.

What does Granger have to do with what Afro Guyanese immigrants in the USA do?  Especially as, aside from a few soup lickers, most either don't give a damn about politics in Guyana, or have a dim view of him.

I am still awaiting statistical data to bolster your point.  Given that you cannot find this I suggest that you descend into a mental breakdown.  This at your inability to prove that you are superior to blacks.

I am superior to no one, maybe except djangy.  Granger embodies the attitude of many AfroGs in wealth accumulation, spend on sport and let tomorrow take care of it self.  

BTW, I am still waiting for you to accept my invitation to Jersey to put this discussion to bed for once and for all. If it is train fare that is preventing you accepting, then let me know and I can fund this. 

he ain gon come. 

I just asking this man to go tour east orange, orange and irvington and hunt down them AfroGs living there so we can see the conditions they live under. But the man hiding like a rass. 

FM
Drugb posted:
seignet posted:
Drugb posted:
caribny posted:
Drugb posted:
 

I never said anyone were failures.

What does Granger have to do with what Afro Guyanese immigrants in the USA do?  Especially as, aside from a few soup lickers, most either don't give a damn about politics in Guyana, or have a dim view of him.

I am still awaiting statistical data to bolster your point.  Given that you cannot find this I suggest that you descend into a mental breakdown.  This at your inability to prove that you are superior to blacks.

I am superior to no one, maybe except djangy.  Granger embodies the attitude of many AfroGs in wealth accumulation, spend on sport and let tomorrow take care of it self.  

BTW, I am still waiting for you to accept my invitation to Jersey to put this discussion to bed for once and for all. If it is train fare that is preventing you accepting, then let me know and I can fund this. 

he ain gon come. 

I just asking this man to go tour east orange, orange and irvington and hunt down them AfroGs living there so we can see the conditions they live under. But the man hiding like a rass. 

Quote from what I read:

"For East Orange, we found that the violent crime rate is one of the highest in the nation, across communities of all sizes (both large and small). Violent offenses tracked included rape, murder and non-negligent manslaughter, armed robbery, and aggravated assault, including assault with a deadly weapon."

Django should go an visit after all, his train ride has been prepaid.

Paging carib, he should also visit and report if the above information is true or not.

FM
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yuji22 posted:
Drugb posted:
seignet posted:
Drugb posted:
caribny posted:
Drugb posted:
 

I never said anyone were failures.

What does Granger have to do with what Afro Guyanese immigrants in the USA do?  Especially as, aside from a few soup lickers, most either don't give a damn about politics in Guyana, or have a dim view of him.

I am still awaiting statistical data to bolster your point.  Given that you cannot find this I suggest that you descend into a mental breakdown.  This at your inability to prove that you are superior to blacks.

I am superior to no one, maybe except djangy.  Granger embodies the attitude of many AfroGs in wealth accumulation, spend on sport and let tomorrow take care of it self.  

BTW, I am still waiting for you to accept my invitation to Jersey to put this discussion to bed for once and for all. If it is train fare that is preventing you accepting, then let me know and I can fund this. 

he ain gon come. 

I just asking this man to go tour east orange, orange and irvington and hunt down them AfroGs living there so we can see the conditions they live under. But the man hiding like a rass. 

Quote from what I read:

"For East Orange, we found that the violent crime rate is one of the highest in the nation, across communities of all sizes (both large and small). Violent offenses tracked included rape, murder and non-negligent manslaughter, armed robbery, and aggravated assault, including assault with a deadly weapon."

Django should go an visit after all, his train ride has been prepaid.

Paging carib, he should also visit and report if the above information is true or not.

Drugb,you are correct "maybe"

Yugi,

how the Fu...k,i came in to this conversation,you and Druggie go and play jam loloo,both of you have some feminine traits.

Django
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yuji22 posted:

Eh Eh, you vex up when you are faced with facts. Take the prepaid train trip and see for yourself. It is costing you nothing and you will learn something.

What fu..ing facts, i was not having any conversation regarding Orange.

Go and jam lolllo with drugb.

Django
yuji22 posted:

Look story here, you are being offered a FREE train ticket to see your brothers and your are refusing to go ? 

Did i ask for any fu...g ticket,I can afford my own.

I have had enough with alyuh two,GFY.

Django

Too much anger is not good at your age. It can raise your blood pressure. I have never seen someone not wanting to visit their brothers with a free ticket.

Ok Man, then give the ticket to Carib.

FM
yuji22 posted:

Too much anger is not good at your age. It can raise your blood pressure. I have never seen someone not wanting to visit their brothers with a free ticket.

Ok Man, then give the ticket to Carib.

Don't worry about me,I am gud,

don't rope Django in your racist conversation,

stick to your Indo-Centrism.

Django
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Drugb posted:
 

BTW, I am still waiting for you to accept my invitation to Jersey 

Bashing you daily on GNI when I have time is one thing. 

Actually wasting time to go see you in NJ is a whole other thing.

Druggie there are numerous shelters in Newark if you wish to find blacks who will call you massa. 

FM
Drugb posted:
 

I just asking this man to go tour east orange, orange and irvington and hunt down them AfroGs living there so we can see the conditions they live under. But the man hiding like a rass. 

Already went on a tour of Irvington when the mayor of that town inviting me and some real estate developers to see what is going on.  Took us on a tour of the good parts, the bad parts and other more middling areas. He said that immigrants tend to live in the better parts.

Don't need to go with Druggie, who will tremble with fear if they mayor asked him his name as the only blacks who he can meet face to face without trembling are homeless men.

FM
Django posted:
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Go and jam lolllo with drugb.

the last lolo that druggie wants is one attached to an Indian. The man only deals with black baigan, which is why he visits homeless shelters hunting for black men.

FM
caribny posted:

Don't need to go with Druggie, who will tremble with fear if they mayor asked him his name as the only blacks who he can meet face to face without trembling are homeless men.

lol

FM
caribny posted:
Django posted:
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Go and jam lolllo with drugb.

the last lolo that druggie wants is one attached to an Indian. The man only deals with black baigan, which is why he visits homeless shelters hunting for black men.

LOL

had this feeling something aint right,why would a man talk about black baigan.

Django
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Homme posted:
caribny posted:

Don't need to go with Druggie, who will tremble with fear if they mayor asked him his name as the only blacks who he can meet face to face without trembling are homeless men.

lol

This is quite obvious.  How many black Guyanese run around begging. I have lived in NYC for 35 years and have never seen an Afro Guyanese pan handler.

Druggie must be really wrong if he can locate these Afro Guyanese vagrants..

FM
caribny posted:
Drugb posted:
 

I just asking this man to go tour east orange, orange and irvington and hunt down them AfroGs living there so we can see the conditions they live under. But the man hiding like a rass. 

Already went on a tour of Irvington when the mayor of that town inviting me and some real estate developers to see what is going on.  Took us on a tour of the good parts, the bad parts and other more middling areas. He said that immigrants tend to live in the better parts.

Don't need to go with Druggie, who will tremble with fear if they mayor asked him his name as the only blacks who he can meet face to face without trembling are homeless men.

You must be some important man for the mayor to invite you on a tour. Or maybe he was looking for a pacu to buss he back. 

There are no really good parts in Irvington. The place is an armpit. If you consider parts good then your standards must be  really low. 

FM
caribny posted:
Homme posted:
caribny posted:

Don't need to go with Druggie, who will tremble with fear if they mayor asked him his name as the only blacks who he can meet face to face without trembling are homeless men.

lol

This is quite obvious.  How many black Guyanese run around begging. I have lived in NYC for 35 years and have never seen an Afro Guyanese pan handler.

Druggie must be really wrong if he can locate these Afro Guyanese vagrants..

In fact once I mentioned that I was in Brooklyn and noticed a Afro Guyanese homeless man who I gave $10, I thought it was you for a moment until you denied it.  That aside, I am not saying that AfroGs are homeless or vagrants. All I can observe is that they tend to do worse off than IndoG economically. Of course there are no statistics to back up this claim which is based on perception. But we all know that the likely hood of AfroGs being more successful is low due to what we know of their habits. Sport today and not worry about tomorrow, Granger is leading the charge on this characteristic in Guyana.

FM
Drugb posted:
caribny posted:
Drugb posted:
 

 

Homme, if you were a reasonable man you would concede my point.

It is a fact that your ego (and that of Ksazma) rest on finding indigent blacks.

http://www.city-data.com/pover...ange-New-Jersey.html

Most people who live in East Orange aren't poor.  Care tell why you only know the poor ones?

Poor is a relative term, the town in general considered slummy at least by the upward mobile.  East Orange, Orange and Irvington are 80,70 and 80 % blacks, white will not buy properties there. The crime rates are also high in these towns and schools horrible.  These are transitional towns for many who will move on to other more affluent towns once they have achieved upward mobility.  The same can be said for IndoG's living in RH, Bronx and Newark. But what is important is that while the IndoG will save his pennies and invest in homes, the AfroGs will continue to be apartment dwellers for decades. 

When one speak of "poor" it is from an economic point of view and a precise measure you ignorant oaf!

FM
Stormborn posted:
Drugb posted:
caribny posted:
Drugb posted:
 

 

Homme, if you were a reasonable man you would concede my point.

It is a fact that your ego (and that of Ksazma) rest on finding indigent blacks.

http://www.city-data.com/pover...ange-New-Jersey.html

Most people who live in East Orange aren't poor.  Care tell why you only know the poor ones?

Poor is a relative term, the town in general considered slummy at least by the upward mobile.  East Orange, Orange and Irvington are 80,70 and 80 % blacks, white will not buy properties there. The crime rates are also high in these towns and schools horrible.  These are transitional towns for many who will move on to other more affluent towns once they have achieved upward mobility.  The same can be said for IndoG's living in RH, Bronx and Newark. But what is important is that while the IndoG will save his pennies and invest in homes, the AfroGs will continue to be apartment dwellers for decades. 

When one speak of "poor" it is from an economic point of view and a precise measure you ignorant oaf!

If you agree with caribj so much then go live in one of these towns. They fall in the category of armpits of NJ.

FM
Drugb posted:
Stormborn posted:
Drugb posted:
caribny posted:
Drugb posted:
 

 

Homme, if you were a reasonable man you would concede my point.

It is a fact that your ego (and that of Ksazma) rest on finding indigent blacks.

http://www.city-data.com/pover...ange-New-Jersey.html

Most people who live in East Orange aren't poor.  Care tell why you only know the poor ones?

Poor is a relative term, the town in general considered slummy at least by the upward mobile.  East Orange, Orange and Irvington are 80,70 and 80 % blacks, white will not buy properties there. The crime rates are also high in these towns and schools horrible.  These are transitional towns for many who will move on to other more affluent towns once they have achieved upward mobility.  The same can be said for IndoG's living in RH, Bronx and Newark. But what is important is that while the IndoG will save his pennies and invest in homes, the AfroGs will continue to be apartment dwellers for decades. 

When one speak of "poor" it is from an economic point of view and a precise measure you ignorant oaf!

If you agree with caribj so much then go live in one of these towns. They fall in the category of armpits of

You came from the armpit of the western world...the consistently second from the bottom of the western world...so quit the crap of labeling others lesser than you  in any measure of poor. These poor people can turn on their TV eat a morning Cereal, flush their toilet, drive a car so compare that to where you came from. Note we are not yet at 3.5K mean income and most of the population lives on half of that. The mean income of poor here is 25K for a family of four. 

FM
Stormborn posted:
You came from the armpit of the western world...the consistently second from the bottom of the western world...so quit the crap of labeling others lesser than you  in any measure of poor. These poor people can turn on their TV eat a morning Cereal, flush their toilet, drive a car so compare that to where you came from. Note we are not yet at 3.5K mean income and most of the population lives on half of that. The mean income of poor here is 25K for a family of four. 

You seem to completely missed the point of the discussion between Caribj and I, who is doing better economically in the US, AfroG or IndoG.

A dollar store clerk may have difficulty discerning. 

FM
Drugb posted:
Stormborn posted:
You came from the armpit of the western world...the consistently second from the bottom of the western world...so quit the crap of labeling others lesser than you  in any measure of poor. These poor people can turn on their TV eat a morning Cereal, flush their toilet, drive a car so compare that to where you came from. Note we are not yet at 3.5K mean income and most of the population lives on half of that. The mean income of poor here is 25K for a family of four. 

You seem to completely missed the point of the discussion between Caribj and I, who is doing better economically in the US, AfroG or IndoG.

A dollar store clerk may have difficulty discerning. 

As I said, nothing is wrong with a dollar store if you can get one. You would not be living in that dingy house on Pierson if you owned one.

FM
Drugb posted:
 

You must be some important man for the mayor to invite you on a tour.

He didn't invite you because he knows that you would make yourself look like an idiot.  You would stammer and have nothing useful to say and you don't know any one who could be useful.

That you only know the bad parts of Irvington just makes my point that your lack of confidence means that you can only expose yourself to impoverished blacks.

FM
Drugb posted:
 

In fact once I mentioned that I was in Brooklyn and noticed a Afro Guyanese homeless man who I gave $10, 

Yes you walked for miles around Flatbush and felt so elated when you finally found a black Guyanese vagrant that you gave him $10 when most likely he only asked you are a $1.

I am still waiting for 3rd party verification that black Guyanese are losers.  The evidence presented is that they aren't.

Sorry you and Ksazma who both have the hots for impoverished blacks cannot present your experiences as verifiable evidence.

FM
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Drugb posted:
 

You seem to completely missed the point of the discussion between Caribj and I, who is doing better economically in the US, AfroG or IndoG.

A dollar store clerk may have difficulty discerning. 

He has not.  You in fact have.  You have this craving to show that Indos are doing better, but yet cannot show evidence of it.  You even admit that this evidence doesn't exist.

So why don't you just give up.  Your endless ranting on this topic shows that you are a black hating racist. But druggie we already know this so you don't need to belabor the point.

FM
caribny posted:

He didn't invite you because he knows that you would make yourself look like an idiot.  You would stammer and have nothing useful to say and you don't know any one who could be useful.

That you only know the bad parts of Irvington just makes my point that your lack of confidence means that you can only expose yourself to impoverished blacks.

No he didn't invite me because he knows that I know the difference between a slum and a good neighborhood. You on the other hand, accustomed to slummy environment would think Irvington was the burbs. 

The fact is that Irvington has no "good" areas as you bray like a jackass. It is a small town ( less than 3sq miles), no buffer zone for a "good" area. 1.7 miles in each direction is not enough to have pockets of safe areas. 

They are # 5 in the worst place to live in NJ as per movoto

Surprisingly East Orange another armpit is not on the list.

We’ve seen the safest, and now, let’s take a look at the 10 most dangerous places in New Jersey:

1. City of Asbury Park
2. City of Atlantic City
3. City of Newark
4. City of Bridgeton
5. Township of Irvington
6. City of Woodbury
7. City of Trenton
8. City of Orange
9. City of Paterson
10. Borough of Lindenwold

Back in 2000 the gangs there even shot up the mayor's home

Last year, Mayor Bost's home in the East Ward was sprayed by gunfire. Although at first she said the attack was in retaliation for her get-tough stance on crime, investigators say it is now believed to be the result of random gunplay between rival drug dealers.

FM
caribny posted:

Yes you walked for miles around Flatbush and felt so elated when you finally found a black Guyanese vagrant that you gave him $10 when most likely he only asked you are a $1.

I am still waiting for 3rd party verification that black Guyanese are losers.  The evidence presented is that they aren't.

Sorry you and Ksazma who both have the hots for impoverished blacks cannot present your experiences as verifiable evidence.

We are not saying that AfroG are losers, we can't judge them based on what we know about you, that is prejudiced. 

We need to deal with the hard facts, lacking which, we should create our own study, hence I invite you to NJ to do the needful.

FM
Drugb posted:
caribny posted:

He didn't invite you because he knows that you would make yourself look like an idiot.  You would stammer and have nothing useful to say and you don't know any one who could be useful.

That you only know the bad parts of Irvington just makes my point that your lack of confidence means that you can only expose yourself to impoverished blacks.

No he didn't invite me because he knows that I know the difference between a slum and a good neighborhood. 

hmmm. Ample development in many impoverished areas these days, even Newark.

Druggie you are the idiot.  Don't chat about what you don't know.  THAT is why you weren't invited.  If you weren't stammering as you found yourself among blacks and others much more intelligent than you then you would have blurted out some ignorance.  

If people are moving all the way to Pennsylvania to find affordable housing you think that any suburban area within easy reach of NYC is off limits?  What a jackass you are!

FM
Drugb posted:

We need to deal with the hard facts.

And what are these hard facts that form your basis for screaming that Afro Guyanese immigrants are doing worse than Indo Guyanese immigrants?

You don't have any.

Listen Druggie I think that you have spent a long time revealing what a racist idiot that you are as you scream how inferior blacks are.  Have some respect for yourself and stop it!

FM

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