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Guyanese In New York: From A Small Country Came Immigrants With Big Dreams

on: , BY JON CRONIN, http://queenstribune.com/guyan...nts-with-big-dreams/

n the late 1960’s, after Guyana gained independence from Great Britain, citizens began seeking lives and careers in other countries with more stable economic and political climates that Guyana had at the time.

Photo By Bruce Adler. Liberty Avenue, the heart of “Little Guyana.”

Photo By Bruce Adler. Liberty Avenue, the heart of “Little Guyana.”

The Guyanese Diaspora led many to the West Side of Manhattan in the late 1960’s and early 1970’s when rent was cheaper, then later to South Queens.

In the 50 years since, Richmond Hill and Ozone Park have earned the title “Little Guyana.”

Aftab Karimullah, a Guyanese immigrant and Ozone Park resident said 50 years ago, the initial immigrants were the pioneers of their community and then slowly their families and more immigrants came.

Karimullah immigrated to South Queens in 1984.

“There were only a few Guyanese stores on Liberty Avenue then,” he said, adding, “That was the essential ingredient to why [immigrants] gravitate to a certain area.”

He noted that Sybil’s Restaurant, a cultural touchstone for many in the Guyanese community came in the early 1990s and was then on Hillside Avenue.  “I think that is when the the momentum got going,” said Karimullah.

“Then Liberty Avenue and Lefferts Boulevard became a central gravity for that community,” Karimullah said.

As the stores and restaurants representing parts of their culture came into the community, so did spiritual centers representing the religious diversity of Guyana. “The Mandirs and the Mosques became a necessity in that community,” he said, which is representative of Guyana’s African, Indian and Caribbean influences.

Photo Courtesy Guyana Folk Festival. The Guyana Folk Festival in Beooklyn.

Photo Courtesy Guyana Folk Festival. The Guyana Folk Festival in Brooklyn.

Today, the Guyanese represent the second largest immigrant population in Queens and the third largest in New York City.

A number of notable New Yorkers trace their roots back to Guyana, including the first black woman elected to Congress, former U.S. Rep. Shirley Chisholm, who represented Brooklyn from 1968 until 1983. More recently, former Borough President Helen Marshall, State Sen. Roxanne Persaud (D-Brooklyn) and Assemblywoman Alicia Hyndman (D-Springfield Gardens), all with Guyanese roots have all served in political office.

Queens County Supreme Court Justice Pam Jackson-Brown also hails from Guyana. She was raised and educated there, immigrating to the United States in 1973.

Det. Randolph Holder, an NYPD officer who was shot and killed in the line of duty last Autumn in East Harlem was a Guyanese immigrant and grew up for a time in Far Rockaway.

Civic leader Richard David, who immigrated to the U.S. when he was 10, noted the country’s religious diversity; his mother is Muslim, his grandparents are Hindu, and his father is Christian. “That’s not uncommon in Guyana,” he said.

Today, Hindu culture has become part of the great melting pot that is the world’s borough.  Every spring thousands flock to Richmond Hill to be part to the Phaghwah Parade, a celebration of the Hindu holiday Holi, which commemorates color coming back into the world after a dreary winter with the throwing of colorful abir powder.  “It has become a signature event,” said Karimullah.

Part of the genesis of the Guyanese culture in Queens is the inclusion of cricket, “It’s like a religion back home,” noted Karimullah. He said today in Queens there plenty of  leagues that use either a hardball or softball. “It’s kind of like a picnic event for the family,” he added.

David noted that many of the adult children that attended these picnics either did not grow up in or have never been to Guyana, but, “It’s kinda like Christmas or Thanksgiving,” relatives may not want to spend that day with family, “but you have to,” said David.

Other cultural family events are the Guyanese village days, possibly hundreds a year, where relatives and former residents of the small villages of Guyana meet with old neighbors and friends in Flushing Meadow Park, picnic, barbecue, play cricket and enjoy each other’s company.

Part of these park events is a kind of charitable outreach for the villages of their native country to raise funds for churches, schools and orphanages.

Karimullah pointed out as the community here grew economically they were able to send money home.
David and Karimullah noted that Guyanese-owned businesses are thriving in Richmond Hill and that the growth of these restaurants, bakeries and catering halls added to cultural cohesion.

David’s parents were in the U.S. without their three sons for eight years before they were able to afford to send for their children.  He said in 1995 he came over with his 11 year-old brother and his 16 year-old brother had to wait another year before immigrating.

One of the reasons the Guyanese fled to the U.S. is for its political stability, yet as Karimullah mentioned, “Guyanese individuals who ran for office [here] were largely unsuccessful.”

CB 9 Chairperson Raj Rampershad is the first community board chairperson of Guyanese descent in New York City. The second was elected this year in the Bronx.

Rampershad said his father, Cliff, left Guyana in 1969 at 18, just after graduating high school and marrying his girlfriend, Veda. He came to Manhattan with $40 in cash, a $150 Travelers’ check and a short list of friends he could stay with. He found work and enough money to send for his young wife a year later.

He worked low paying jobs for many years before working for a private busing company called Liberty Lines and then joining the Air Force in 1978.

Veda and Cliff Rampershad opened a meat and grocery store with a partner on Liberty Avenue in 1991 and were able to make a living until their retirement last year.

“I owe it to them. They created something from nothing. It’s the American dream,” Rampershad said.

David also noted that as a 10 year-old, he was excited to leave Guyana, mainly because he avoided taking a major exam that determined whether or not he could enter high school.

He also recalled that the government openly discriminated against Guyanese of Indian descent in the early 1990’s.

David credits Guyanese immigrants with recreating parts of South Queens.

“If you look at Southeast Queens they bought real estate that was dilapidated and transformed it,” said David and added, “Richmond Hill and Liberty Avenue are thriving because of their contributions.”

He also pointed out that this immigrant community has thrived despite no government aid. He said of  all their festivals and street fairs, none have been funded by the government nor has the city given them a community center.

David stated that the Indo-Carribbean Alliance is given $5,000 a year by City Councilman Eric Ulrich (R-Ozone Park).

“But that’s a drop in the bucket,” he said and added, “It’s very discouraging.”

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Interesting that the article is almost 100% about INDO Guyanese, yet they freely use the "Guyanese" label. 

At least 40% of Guyanese in NYC are of African descent, and the vast majority don't give two hoots about what is happening on Liberty Ave.

Next time say INDO Guyanese, if that is what is being referred to.

 

And yes I expect the screaming that caribny is a racist for pointing this fact out.

FM
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CARIBNY, the writer Jon stated clearly that he was writing about the "Richmond Hill" community that includes Richmond Hill, Ozone Park, South Ozone Park and Jamaica/Hillside. While there is larger Afro-Guyanese population in South-East Queens (St Albans, Rockaways, Rochdale, Rosedale, etc.), it was acknowledged that there is a handful of Afro Guyanese in the Richmond hill area area just described. My friend Pam Jackman-Brown lives in the Rochdale area.

 

I'm not sure what your post is about, but just read the area for what it was intended and leave out the suggested racial overtones, as in "the vast majority don't give two hoots about what is happening on Liberty Ave".

Kari

"A number of notable New Yorkers trace their roots back to Guyana, including the first black woman elected to Congress, former U.S. Rep. Shirley Chisholm, who represented Brooklyn from 1968 until 1983. More recently, former Borough President Helen Marshall, State Sen. Roxanne Persaud (D-Brooklyn) and Assemblywoman Alicia Hyndman (D-Springfield Gardens), all with Guyanese roots have all served in political office.

Queens County Supreme Court Justice Pam Jackson-Brown also hails from Guyana. She was raised and educated there, immigrating to the United States in 1973.

Det. Randolph Holder, an NYPD officer who was shot and killed in the line of duty last Autumn in East Harlem was a Guyanese immigrant and grew up for a time in Far Rockaway."


 

Nehru

Where are The Indo Names,there got to be some in high offices.

 

Django
Last edited by Django
Kari posted:

CARIBNY, the writer Jon stated clearly that he was writing about the "Richmond Hill" community that includes Richmond Hill, Ozone Park, South Ozone Park and Jamaica/Hillside. While there is larger Afro-Guyanese population in South-East Queens (St Albans, Rockaways, Rochdale, Rosedale, etc.), it was acknowledged that there is a handful of Afro Guyanese in the Richmond hill area area just described. My friend Pam Jackman-Brown lives in the Rochdale area.

 

I'm not sure what your post is about, but just read the area for what it was intended and leave out the suggested racial overtones, as in "the vast majority don't give two hoots about what is happening onAnd  Liberty Ave".

I don't care about the contents.  I do care that using the term "Guyanese", when the focus is on Indo Guyanese, is inaccurate, and an insult to us who aren't Indians.

Suppose he only wrote of Afro Guyanese, mentioned a few Indians, and then said that this was about Guyanese, rather then a subset of the community.  Oh yes, I already hear all the squeals, and wails equating Indians with the travails of Palestinians.

FM
Kari posted:

 

I'm not sure what your post is about, but just read the area for what it was intended and leave out the suggested racial overtones, as in "the vast majority don't give two hoots about what is happening on Liberty Ave".

How many Indo Guyanese care about the Guyana Folk Festival Family Day, when thousands of Guyanese show up to celebrate Guyanese culture, INCLUSIVE of INDO Guyanese culture, and one can count the numbers of Indians, who aren't performers, on ones hands and feet.

Interesting that the fact that Indo Guyanese don't give two hoots about that wouldn't be soon as racial.

FACT.  Most black Guyanese know that RH exists, and have no more interest in what happens there than do most Indians have in what goes on in the Afro Caribbean communities throughout NYC.

Now if you want to scream that the non interest in RH is racist, I can write a whole book on the non interest in Guyanese Indians of the Afro Caribbean community!

FM
caribny posted:
Kari posted:

 

I'm not sure what your post is about, but just read the area for what it was intended and leave out the suggested racial overtones, as in "the vast majority don't give two hoots about what is happening on Liberty Ave".

How many Indo Guyanese care about the Guyana Folk Festival Family Day, when thousands of Guyanese show up to celebrate Guyanese culture, INCLUSIVE of INDO Guyanese culture, and one can count the numbers of Indians, who aren't performers, on ones hands and feet.

Interesting that the fact that Indo Guyanese don't give two hoots about that wouldn't be soon as racial.

FACT.  Most black Guyanese know that RH exists, and have no more interest in what happens there than do most Indians have in what goes on in the Afro Caribbean communities throughout NYC.

Now if you want to scream that the non interest in RH is racist, I can write a whole book on the non interest in Guyanese Indians of the Afro Caribbean community!

You seems to have a monopoly on the word "Guyanese", next time we will ask you permission.

K
kp posted:
caribny posted:
Kari posted:

 

I'm not sure what your post is about, but just read the area for what it was intended and leave out the suggested racial overtones, as in "the vast majority don't give two hoots about what is happening on Liberty Ave".

How many Indo Guyanese care about the Guyana Folk Festival Family Day, when thousands of Guyanese show up to celebrate Guyanese culture, INCLUSIVE of INDO Guyanese culture, and one can count the numbers of Indians, who aren't performers, on ones hands and feet.

Interesting that the fact that Indo Guyanese don't give two hoots about that wouldn't be soon as racial.

FACT.  Most black Guyanese know that RH exists, and have no more interest in what happens there than do most Indians have in what goes on in the Afro Caribbean communities throughout NYC.

Now if you want to scream that the non interest in RH is racist, I can write a whole book on the non interest in Guyanese Indians of the Afro Caribbean community!

You seems to have a monopoly on the word "Guyanese", next time we will ask you permission.

Funny things this.  I am the one who deplores the term "Guyanese" to be used, when only a subset of the Guyanese population is involved.

OK next time I will encourage some one to write ONLY about Guyanese blacks, ignore the presence of Indians, and then claim that this was about Guyanese, and not a subset of it.

I know you will then squeal.

FM
Dougla_80 posted:

Nice article ...Guyanese is just Guyanese..Especially in the diaspora..It's nice to have a  lil Guyana in NYC ..all should be proud 

Of course Guyanese is just Guyanese when the article focuses only in INDO Guyanese, throwing in a few non Indian names, but mentioning NOTHING about the diversity.

I have no problem if this was described as an article about Indo Guyanese, because that is what it is.

To EXCLUDE Afro Guyanese and call it Guyanese, is an INSULT!

But then we see folks who want to tell us that the lives of the 35 blacks who were murdered on the Son Chapman don't matter, so why the shock.

FM

This morning score of people were seen picking up cigaretts Butts to smoke, begging for a bobb or two to get something to eat while passengers at Cheddi Airport begging for Exit Tax to return to NA.

Nehru

@CARIBNY I hear your comments ...But looking at it from a wider context...The kids born there identify with Guyanese both Indo and Afro..And don't view or see it  necessarily in the same racial constructs as some us did or do 

They'll read that and feel good 

Unfortunately Afro Guyanese can tend to be lumped in with the other English Caribbean islands so the identity, though different as we know to the untrained eye (so to speak) Indo Guyanese (just Guyanese to me btw) do have a community that readily sees itself as just that ...Not quite Caribbean as most identify with it ...Not quite Indian as most identify with ....Just somewhere in around it in between and unique 

Don't think the article meant any harm 

FM
Dougla_80 posted:

@CARIBNY I hear your comments ...But looking at it from a wider context...The kids born there identify with Guyanese both Indo and Afro..And don't view or see it  necessarily in the same racial constructs as some us did or do 

They'll read that and feel good 

Unfortunately Afro Guyanese can tend to be lumped in with the other English Caribbean islands so the identity, though different as we know to the untrained eye (so to speak) Indo Guyanese (just Guyanese to me btw) do have a community that readily sees itself as just that ...Not quite Caribbean as most identify with it ...Not quite Indian as most identify with ....Just somewhere in around it in between and unique 

Don't think the article meant any harm 

The article was about Indo Guyanese, and ought to have been presented as such.  To write about Indo Guyanese is legitimate as it is a well defined population, but to represent this as the full extent of what being Guyanese  in NYC is all about is an insult.

Liberty Avenue is not some central point which all Guyanese in NYC relate to. Its specific to Indo Guyanese.

One cannot write about Guyanese unless we reflect the full diversity of what Guyanese is all about.  Which includes the differences between the Afro and Indo Guyanese communities in NYC. 

And yes that is inclusive of the fact that Afro Guyanese have strong ties to other Afro Caribbean people, whereas Indo Guyanese are rejected by South Asians.

I bet if the focus was on Guyanese living in Canarsie and only the Afro Guyanese population was mentioned all the usual sorts would be here screaming about the Indian Holocaust.

FM
caribny posted:

Interesting that the article is almost 100% about INDO Guyanese, yet they freely use the "Guyanese" label. 

At least 40% of Guyanese in NYC are of African descent, and the vast majority don't give two hoots about what is happening on Liberty Ave.

Next time say INDO Guyanese, if that is what is being referred to.

 

And yes I expect the screaming that caribny is a racist for pointing this fact out.

You said it not we.

You need help or that cookie thingy will cause you to run mad.

Chief
Chief posted:
caribny posted:

Interesting that the article is almost 100% about INDO Guyanese, yet they freely use the "Guyanese" label. 

At least 40% of Guyanese in NYC are of African descent, and the vast majority don't give two hoots about what is happening on Liberty Ave.

Next time say INDO Guyanese, if that is what is being referred to.

 

And yes I expect the screaming that caribny is a racist for pointing this fact out.

You said it not we.

You need help or that cookie thingy will cause you to run mad.

OK the next time some one describes Guyanese culture purely in terms of its African component, I expect you to agree. When one describes the Guyanese religious practices only in terms of Christianity I expect you to agree.

Because you want me to agree to description of Guyanese as an Indo monolith, so you shouldn't have a problem with Guyanese being defined as a 100% Christian Creole culture.

FM
caribny posted:
Kari posted:

 

I'm not sure what your post is about, but just read the area for what it was intended and leave out the suggested racial overtones, as in "the vast majority don't give two hoots about what is happening on Liberty Ave".

How many Indo Guyanese care about the Guyana Folk Festival Family Day, when thousands of Guyanese show up to celebrate Guyanese culture, INCLUSIVE of INDO Guyanese culture, and one can count the numbers of Indians, who aren't performers, on ones hands and feet.

Interesting that the fact that Indo Guyanese don't give two hoots about that wouldn't be soon as racial.

FACT.  Most black Guyanese know that RH exists, and have no more interest in what happens there than do most Indians have in what goes on in the Afro Caribbean communities throughout NYC.

Now if you want to scream that the non interest in RH is racist, I can write a whole book on the non interest in Guyanese Indians of the Afro Caribbean community!

Are you so sure that they don't go to coolie wedding houses and coolie man party uninvited to eat free seven curry and other goodies? Somebody who seem to know you told me that you would both go there for freeness. Don't lie now Bai.

FM
Nehru posted:

Only a bloody DUNCE will describe Guyana s 100% Christian but in a free society even a dunce can speak.

But if its described as Muslim and Hindu that's OK.  Because that is what we see here.

FM

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