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– Constitutional reform must ensure all are represented in corridors of power – Outgoing US envoy, Bryan Hunt

By Kiana Wilburg
For too long, many Guyanese have felt that their interests are not always represented in the halls of power and US envoy, Bryan Hunt, who shares this view, insists that it much change.

Outgoing Deputy Chief of Mission, Bryan Hunt

Outgoing Deputy Chief of Mission, Bryan Hunt

In an interview with this newspaper, the outgoing Deputy Chief of Mission asserted that development cannot take place if one half of the population feels as though they are not being fairly represented by the government.
“And it is time for Guyanese to ask, ‘how do we get a system where all are represented in the corridors of power? ‘A large portion of this country has felt excluded from the corridors of power and regardless of the party in office, whether it is the PPP or the AFC, the feeling is still there, and it shifts depending who is sitting in the chair. But the fact of the matter is that, I feel there are some structural failings which should be addressed,” Hunt expressed.

The US diplomat said that this can occur through meaningful Constitutional reform. Hunt noted that while there has been much dialogue at the Government level about the need to redefine executive powers, the conversation he said must now stretch to the citizenry.
The outgoing Deputy Chief of Mission believes that the public must have a say where this subject is concerned, and believes that it is a national discussion which needs to occur.

He said, “It needs to be a broad-based discussion by Guyanese about what they think needs changing when it comes to powers of the executive. We strongly believe that they need to have a discussion on what they don’t like; what are other models out there that they may be interested in looking at, and how the Constitution can be improved.”
More importantly, Hunt said it is imperative that any discussion on Constitutional reform be grounded in taking the nation beyond its political and ethnic divides.

The US official said that he is struck continuously by how divided such a small country is. He said that whether one wants to call those lines ethnic or political, they are there, and they are very “stark”.

He emphasized that this is not a suitable situation where you have such stark lines in such a small country. Hunt said that this circumstance is further polluted by a system where one side controls all the levels of powers and the other side is excluded. The outgoing envoy said that this needs to be changed in the interest of the country’s development.

The prorogation of the Tenth Parliament by former President Donald Ramotar was what initially resurrected heated discussions on the need to tame the powers of the Executive. And leading this conversation at the national level was the hierarchy of the Alliance For Change (AFC) and A Partnership for National Unity (APNU).

Members from both sides agreed that during Ramotar’s reign, Guyana experienced an unprecedented abuse of Executive power. They agreed, too, that there is a need to alter the boundless authority afforded to the Head of State.

But even under the “Better life for All” leadership, the AFC maintains that the powers of the Executive need to be reexamined and amended.
AFC Executive Member, Nigel Hughes, had outlined that one of the important things the Constitution speaks to is the distribution of power and how it should be exercised. Referring to Article 51, the Attorney-at-Law said that supreme democratic power should be vested in three organs; the Presidency, Parliament and Cabinet.

Hughes had said, “What you have is the President being a part of the parliament and then when you go to Cabinet, you have him there, where he has supreme executive power. So in effect, he has power over all three organs of the state.

“He dominates them, and this is long before we come to discuss his immunities from suit, which means that in the exercise of his executive power, he is not answerable to the court or anyone; he can only be removed by grave misconduct, ill-health or loss of confidence in him by the House.”

Hughes, a practicing Attorney, said that the current structure of the Constitution gives the President absolute power to govern. He has advocated for this to be addressed with urgency, while opining that power must be distributed evenly.
The other difficulty with the Constitution and the powers vested in the President, Hughes said, is how one becomes President due to the party list system.

“Let’s say you have three political parties in a race. One gets 33 percent of the votes, the other 32 and the last 31 for argument sake. The party with the 33 percent gets to be President with full executive power. In essence you are giving this person or party, which doesn’t represent a plurality, the presidency, and it puts the nation particularly at a disadvantage, because you have people from different cultural backgrounds not being represented when the 32 and 31 percentages are combined.

“If you continue this, then you perpetuate a system where others are excluded and they will have no representation in the executive and the executive is where the decisions are really made, that is where policies are made and carried out.”

“My position on that issue has not changed… My position does not depend on who is the
President; my position depends on the powers, not who is occupying the position of the President. You don’t wait till you have a good candidate to decide whether or not you are going to change the powers of the President. You try to protect yourself in the event that you have a bad candidate. So the fact that you may have a good candidate now is not a basis that you should change your position at all.”

Hughes did not want to state whether this was noted during the discussions of the Committee on Constitutional Reform. He said that he was the convener on the Steering Committee on Constitutional Reform and the report on its finding and recommendations was submitted on April 30, last to Prime Minister, Moses Nagamootoo. Hughes said that he would leave it to the Prime Minister to reveal any content in that regard.

The AFC Executive Member noted that Guyana needs a Constitution that protects the people from the possibility of abuse. He maintained that he saw it as a priority issue during the campaign trail and maintains the same stance now.

Prime Minister Moses Nagamootoo, the First Vice President said, “…I would want to believe that it (amending the powers of the Executive) is not an issue that stands alone.

“We have to see how is it that the Constitution could be reworked and amended or reformed to bring about greater comity between the powers of the Executive and the Legislature, and particularly how you could be able to diffuse some of the powers of the Executive to bring some of those powers within the purview of the Prime Minster.

“That was (one of) the intention(s) of the Cummingsburg Accord. It might not have been a manifesto promise, but I am not the one to decide whether these things are to be done now.”

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Guyana can never change. You cannot undo 200 years of indoctrination of seeing the koolie as an inferior subhuman. The only solution is an independent country for the East Indian people.

Prashad

‘A large portion of this country has felt excluded from the corridors of power and regardless of the party in office, whether it is the PPP or the AFC.

This man is a PNC supporter. No mention of APNU or PNC. Good riddance fat boy. Stop at the nearest McDonalds and scarf down a few more cheese burgers. You might still get to be a virgin for the martyrs when you go to heaven.

 

FM
Bibi Haniffa posted:

Good on you Bryan Hunt for noticing that Guyana is racially divided because your country, the USA, is NOT racially divided.  Tell them deh!!

You know exactly what he means and the fact you pretend the US is like Guyana speaks to the abject depraved self deception being practiced in this respect.

The gentleman speaks the the reality that one half of the population is always locked out of access because of ethnic nepotism because the state is an ethnic prize. Everyone protesting the removal of PPPites from their positions croaks about racism and not about its drivers...horrible ethnic divisions chronic in the society.

FM
Amral posted:

That is old news we are aware of the division 

Indeed old news but the  fact it is means we have not actively taken steps to address what is our Achilles heel in any endeavor to improve lives. Note we are over 50 years as a state and this curse continues to haunt us.  It does because like you most dismiss it and feel all is fine by accepting it as status quo. Racism is a curse we all must try to eradicate

FM

D2 Guyana is screwed now and for a long time to come. Moses was supposed to be the deliverer but what he did was deliver the people to a life just as worse as when Jagdeo and his goons were in power. So who will save them, me, you, someone else. Nope.  talk is cheap. Action speaks louder but there is none

Amral
Amral posted:

D2 Guyana is screwed now and for a long time to come. Moses was supposed to be the deliverer but what he did was deliver the people to a life just as worse as when Jagdeo and his goons were in power. So who will save them, me, you, someone else. Nope.  talk is cheap. Action speaks louder but there is none

AMEN SIR. All the promises about inclusiveness, transparent, being a different kind of Govt, was obsorbed by D2, Caribj and Django just like the wild west days of people buying Snakeoil. 

Nehru
Amral posted:

D2 Guyana is screwed now and for a long time to come. Moses was supposed to be the deliverer but what he did was deliver the people to a life just as worse as when Jagdeo and his goons were in power. So who will save them, me, you, someone else. Nope.  talk is cheap. Action speaks louder but there is none

Life is not worse than in the jagdeo era. There is degradation of the parallel economy and suffocation of the drug trade, all that creates a false sense of development. Those who cry are those of the upper middle class who see their income sources diminish. The Poor are exactly where they were in the PPP era.....40 percent on the margins.

The sad thing is that the PNC will be the spring board to economic transformations as new sources of capital not dependent on borrowing (which was all the PPP did for income) comes on line.  Guyana is in for a massive unprecedented transformation and it will not be with the PPP at the helm.

And yes, Racism harms us. It is the reason all of us is in such trepidation that our oil income will be miss-spent. We need more reaching out across the aisle than crowing from the PPP. Unfortunately they are dreaming they will be the ones who will get dibs on the cash by being voting in by 2020. Unfortunately, that wont happen. Truly speaking, I hope it does not happen.

FM
Nehru posted:
Amral posted:

D2 Guyana is screwed now and for a long time to come. Moses was supposed to be the deliverer but what he did was deliver the people to a life just as worse as when Jagdeo and his goons were in power. So who will save them, me, you, someone else. Nope.  talk is cheap. Action speaks louder but there is none

AMEN SIR. All the promises about inclusiveness, transparent, being a different kind of Govt, was obsorbed by D2, Caribj and Django just like the wild west days of people buying Snakeoil. 

Transparency and inclusiveness etc do not get traction because of race. Each side think they know best and do so as they see fit given they have an autocratic hold on office.

If you were self aware and not a crow for the PPP you would know not me nor caribj ever said the APNU will be different. I can point you to posts on the site from me that predicts that the APNU will be caught in the same traps as the PPP because of racism.

Resistance to see beyond your personal ethnic prisms blinds you to advocacy for real changes.

FM
Nehru posted:

You have a right to dream about what you want. Reality is much different than silly dreams.

The reality is racism and ignoramuses like you who do not accept you contribute to its insidiousness. And yes, because of it as our voting paradigm the PPP will not see office again in our life time.

FM
Prince posted:

Danyael, you yapp too much about nothing you can actually change. Granger and Nagamootoo refused to take the right step to solve the racial divide.

If you had a brain you would not focus on granger and nagamootoo as your salvation. You would rely on your own latent prescient abilities and grasp no one there can bring about changes unless goaded by a mass movement for a different way than the racist way. Unfortunately...you may never be able to see that.

FM
Dougla_80 posted:

The PPP will be out of the seat for  2 terms at least, a good time to transform the party into what the AFC should have been perhaps?...Perhaps not!

If they rely on the racist dog whistle to gather the PPP clans they will never again regain office.

FM

Guyana could change but there needs to be constitutional reforms  which gives guarantees and a sense of inclusiveness for everyone.  Unfortunately, this regime lost all creduibility inm short order when they embarked on a program of discrimination and ethnic cleansing.  Nagamootoo's personal hatred for the PPP did not serve this cause well.  We are back toi square one as Granger seems weak! 

FM
Prince posted:

Danyael, you yapp too much about nothing you can actually change. Granger and Nagamootoo refused to take the right step to solve the racial divide.

Stormy thinks that he is god's gift to the intellectual world. He knows very little about Guyana. Remember, he left Guyana when he was still shitting in his pants..never to return. All he knows about Guyana is third hand  hearsay. He selectively filters the good from the bad. Give him a break.

FM
Amral posted:

D2 Guyana is screwed now and for a long time to come. Moses was supposed to be the deliverer but what he did was deliver the people to a life just as worse as when Jagdeo and his goons were in power. So who will save them, me, you, someone else. Nope.  talk is cheap. Action speaks louder but there is none

Ban 'im!!

Bibi Haniffa
skeldon_man posted:
Prince posted:

Danyael, you yapp too much about nothing you can actually change. Granger and Nagamootoo refused to take the right step to solve the racial divide.

Stormy thinks that he is god's gift to the intellectual world. He knows very little about Guyana. Remember, he left Guyana when he was still shitting in his pants..never to return. All he knows about Guyana is third hand  hearsay. He selectively filters the good from the bad. Give him a break.

To the contrary, I think my views are precisely the way you look at racially bifurcated societies. It is shored up by dozens of scholars who studied societies as ours and their predictions of how we will behave and the consequences of our actions are precisely on their mark.

You do not know me so do not pretend to know what I do or do not do.

FM
Bibi Haniffa posted:
Amral posted:

D2 Guyana is screwed now and for a long time to come. Moses was supposed to be the deliverer but what he did was deliver the people to a life just as worse as when Jagdeo and his goons were in power. So who will save them, me, you, someone else. Nope.  talk is cheap. Action speaks louder but there is none

Ban 'im!!

Get your silly anal retentive ass off the thread if you cannot contribute some portion of sense on the topic at hand. Like a bloody ninny you pick on Django for his diction when you are a hack at it and now your contribution here is this stupid unwarranted appeal. Do you think I give a shit if I am banned or not?

FM
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ba$eman posted:

Guyana could change but there needs to be constitutional reforms  which gives guarantees and a sense of inclusiveness for everyone.  Unfortunately, this regime lost all creduibility inm short order when they embarked on a program of discrimination and ethnic cleansing.  Nagamootoo's personal hatred for the PPP did not serve this cause well.  We are back toi square one as Granger seems weak! 

This regime is the only one asking for constitutional reform. The PPP did not think is was a bother. If the PPP were smart considering the awful predicament they find themselves with diminishing indian pool of voters they would plunge head long and jump on the constitutional reform band wagon. They have more to win than lose. Granger, if as you believe weak, speaks even more profoundly of their predicament. It means if one with a gift for oration as Nigel takes the helm they are eternally screwed.

FM

It's a tough ask to hold Granger and Nagamootoo  to account for the division in Guyana after 40+ years of such social and political and racial insecurity , they are cut from the same political past that shaped us, and at least 2 terms from faces that haven't.

Only a year in office and miracles don't happen over night inclusiveness and trust needs to be built on both sides and more importantly in the towns ,villages and diaspora 

FM
Dougla_80 posted:

It's a tough ask to hold Granger and Nagamootoo  to account for the division in Guyana after 40+ years of such social and political and racial insecurity , they are cut from the same political past that shaped us, and at least 2 terms from faces that haven't.

Only a year in office and miracles don't happen over night inclusiveness and trust needs to be built on both sides and more importantly in the towns ,villages and diaspora 

it is only those bigots thinking they can once again ride ethnic nepotism back into office who place the blame on these individuals. It is also clear to everyone who delved in the field of conflict resolution that they alone cannot facilitate any transformation in the society away from its ethnic traps. They society needs the cooperation of all parties and the PPP are not yet ready for that. It is why I hope they do not get into office for another few cycles. It make take that long for them being out of office to see the benefit of constitutional reform, true republican government and the replacement of ethnic nepotism with communal nationalism as the desired summoning creed for our people.

FM
Danyael posted:
Nehru posted:

You have a right to dream about what you want. Reality is much different than silly dreams.

The reality is racism and ignoramuses like you who do not accept you contribute to its insidiousness. And yes, because of it as our voting paradigm the PPP will not see office again in our life time.

Your RACISM is to the sky. So when RACIST like you try to call me racist, I celebrate like I won the Nobel Peace cPrize. You just too DUMB to recognise your RACISM, it is usually how things work. Yuh Batty stuck up your ass but you keep asking what shit smelling.

Nehru
skeldon_man posted:
Prince posted:

Danyael, you yapp too much about nothing you can actually change. Granger and Nagamootoo refused to take the right step to solve the racial divide.

Stormy thinks that he is god's gift to the intellectual world. He knows very little about Guyana. Remember, he left Guyana when he was still shitting in his pants..never to return. All he knows about Guyana is third hand  hearsay. He selectively filters the good from the bad. Give him a break.

He can give you a mouth full of daily garbage. He sees nothing wrong with the incompetent government and the Afro-centrism displayed in a multi-racial society. The Americans notice this racial scorn from Granger and had to say something about it. Granger hatred for Indians from Wikileaks report is playing out in full colors. 

FM

@Amral ..The working and non working  class makeup the majority of Guyana's working age population, not sure how besides giving handouts within a year would have taken of them, local government elections is a move in the right direction one in which the PPP (and PNC haven't forgot) did very well so have the chance to act locally and really uplift there villages.

Corruption will be a challange as both like to wet there beaks but Granger if no one else is making the right noises how this is executed time will tell

FM
Nehru posted:
Danyael posted:
Nehru posted:

You have a right to dream about what you want. Reality is much different than silly dreams.

The reality is racism and ignoramuses like you who do not accept you contribute to its insidiousness. And yes, because of it as our voting paradigm the PPP will not see office again in our life time.

Your RACISM is to the sky. So when RACIST like you try to call me racist, I celebrate like I won the Nobel Peace cPrize. You just too DUMB to recognise your RACISM, it is usually how things work. Yuh Batty stuck up your ass but you keep asking what shit smelling.

I do not doubt I would be deemed a racist to you given you do not focus on what I say but what you think I say. Call me dumb if you like. Smart people know otherwise. They are the ones who rely on your kind of inane imagery.

FM
Prince posted:

Danyael, you yapp too much about nothing you can actually change. Granger and Nagamootoo refused to take the right step to solve the racial divide.

D2 just yapp too much, period!!

FM
Prince posted:
skeldon_man posted:
Prince posted:

Danyael, you yapp too much about nothing you can actually change. Granger and Nagamootoo refused to take the right step to solve the racial divide.

Stormy thinks that he is god's gift to the intellectual world. He knows very little about Guyana. Remember, he left Guyana when he was still shitting in his pants..never to return. All he knows about Guyana is third hand  hearsay. He selectively filters the good from the bad. Give him a break.

He can give you a mouth full of daily garbage. He sees nothing wrong with the incompetent government and the Afro-centrism displayed in a multi-racial society. The Americans notice this racial scorn from Granger and had to say something about it. Granger hatred for Indians from Wikileaks report is playing out in full colors. 

I see lots wrong with the present government but they are not the excuse for every argument. The theme here is racism as a drag on development. Apply you mind to that as you would to your teacher in grade school and maybe...maybe...one can see you coming out a little less than stupid.

FM
Danyael posted:
Prince poste
 

Stormy thinks that he is god's gift to the intellectual world. He knows very little about Guyana. Remember, he left Guyana when he was still shitting in his pants..never to return. All he knows about Guyana is third hand  hearsay. He selectively filters the good from the bad. Give him a break.

He can give you a mouth full of daily garbage. He sees nothing wrong with the incompetent government and the Afro-centrism displayed in a multi-racial society. The Americans notice this racial scorn from Granger and had to say something about it. Granger hatred for Indians from Wikileaks report is playing out in full colors. 

I see lots wrong with the present government but they are not the excuse for every argument. The theme here is racism as a drag on development. Apply you mind to that as you would to your teacher in grade school and maybe...maybe...one can see you coming out a little less than stupid.

So, how is your beloved PNC doing on race relations and on the Economy? 

FM

Undercover operations will make a dent BUT the PNC will never do that. The PNC sees Bribe taking as part of the Civil Servants salaries.  This was the case from since the 70's. I know so I am giving not an opinion but a FACT.

Nehru
Amral posted:

The working class should have been taken care off first

Overseas trips be limited, Corruption taken hold of ASAP

You cannot put cat to watch milk

Lets be for real. There is little the present government can do to drastically transform the working class in the absence of working capital. We are broke. We have no productive capacity. The PPP misrule say sugar and rice crippled.  Our revenue sources is limited to environmental harming artisanal mining, fishing and lumber.

The government is therefore limited to correcting cosmetic problems due to the shutting down of the drug trade and money laundering. Change will come as it did to Miami which was built up from drug trade. But that takes time and redefining the income sources.

I do not know what you mean by cat watching milk. I thought we had 23 years of that so the fat cats are now hiding in the weeds and the feral cats are getting sweet revenge. Unfortunately, the fat cats did not leave much.

FM

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