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June 9 2019

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Dear Editor,

British High Commissioner Mr. Gregory Quinn should be given credit for drawing attention to our unrealized potential as a country. And even though the genesis of our under-development ran deep into our colonial past, our current divisive and adversarial politics cannot escape responsibility for our current woes.
As a child growing up, I have been indoctrinated into a belief that we are potentially a rich country. I still harbour that belief and optimism.
However, after over 150 years of British colonial rule and 53 years of post-colonial rule we are not any closer in terms of realizing that potential. Our riches still remain elusive and underdeveloped. Despite some limited progress, we are still ranked among the poorest country in the western hemisphere.
There is no point in trying to cast blame as to who or which political party is responsible for the current state of our under-development. I doubt we will ever agree. There is that tendency to view reality through the prism of our own political and ethnic lens.


I do believe, however, that there is some merit in following the example of South Africa when the abominable system of apartheid came to an end and democratic rule was finally granted a few decades ago. One of the first action taken by the victorious African National Congress (ANC) under the leadership of the iconic Nelson Mandela was the setting up of a Truth and Reconciliation Commission with a view to healing the nation from the wounds of a dreaded past.
Guyana is crying out for a new governance model based genuine inclusivity and participatory democracy.


The current system of β€˜winner takes it all’ has become dysfunctional from the standpoint of realising our full potential. As the British High Commissioner correctly observed, the country cannot advance in an environment of adversarial politics. Both the Government and the political opposition have to find ways of agreeing on fundamental issues that will positively impact on our development.The solution to our political and economic crisis lies in our own hands. We have to take collective responsibility to change the course of our politics in order to achieve the good life that we all look forward to and deserve. The emergence of oil and gas offers a glimmer of hope that the El Dorado that we are famous for will sooner rather than later become a reality.
I sincerely believe that if only we can rise above the narrow confines of race and prejudice, we can change the tide of poverty that has characterized our existence over the decades.

Hydar Ally

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Bibi Haniffa posted:

Based on the contents of this article, I am going to assume that Hydar is no longer a communist.  I don't believe the South African model will work for Guyana. 

No system from one country will ever be a β€œplug and play” in another. 

As you don’t believe it has anything to offer, could you please elaborate on the critical points of the South African model and why it worked there and why it cannot be applied to the Guyana situation!

Baseman

SOUTH AFRICA-PROMOTION OF NATIONAL UNITY AND RECONCILIATION ACT 34 OF 1995

Any one read the above ? how is it applicable to Guyana ? a country with under three quarter million people, where there are ethnic lines of voting. A country where politicians creates the environment for racial divide.

Reading some comments on FB, East Indians castigating the entire Caribbean as racist, most of the posters lives abroad. These idiots don't realize East Indians are minority in the entire Caricom Countries.

Django
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Django posted:

SOUTH AFRICA-PROMOTION OF NATIONAL UNITY AND RECONCILIATION ACT 34 OF 1995

Any one read the above ? how is it applicable to Guyana ? a country with under three quarter million people, where there are ethnic lines of voting. A country where politicians creates the environment for racial divide.

Reading some comments on FB, East Indians castigating the entire Caribbean as racist, most of the posters lives abroad. These idiots don't realize East Indians are minority in the entire Caricom Countries.

Why do you hate Indians so much?  

Bibi Haniffa
Bibi Haniffa posted:
Django posted:

SOUTH AFRICA-PROMOTION OF NATIONAL UNITY AND RECONCILIATION ACT 34 OF 1995

Any one read the above ? how is it applicable to Guyana ? a country with under three quarter million people, where there are ethnic lines of voting. A country where politicians creates the environment for racial divide.

Reading some comments on FB, East Indians castigating the entire Caribbean as racist, most of the posters lives abroad. These idiots don't realize East Indians are minority in the entire Caricom Countries.

Why do you hate Indians so much?  

Where is the hate ? speaking the facts of the mindsets of some. Did you read the ACT of South Africa ? by the way since when generations of East Indians of Guyana are      'Indians" ? some of you feel belittled to be born in South America.

Django
Django posted:

SOUTH AFRICA-PROMOTION OF NATIONAL UNITY AND RECONCILIATION ACT 34 OF 1995

Any one read the above ? how is it applicable to Guyana ? a country with under three quarter million people, where there are ethnic lines of voting. A country where politicians creates the environment for racial divide.

Reading some comments on FB, East Indians castigating the entire Caribbean as racist, most of the posters lives abroad. These idiots don't realize East Indians are minority in the entire Caricom Countries.

Stop with your schupitness!!

Baseman
Django posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:
Django posted:

SOUTH AFRICA-PROMOTION OF NATIONAL UNITY AND RECONCILIATION ACT 34 OF 1995

Any one read the above ? how is it applicable to Guyana ? a country with under three quarter million people, where there are ethnic lines of voting. A country where politicians creates the environment for racial divide.

Reading some comments on FB, East Indians castigating the entire Caribbean as racist, most of the posters lives abroad. These idiots don't realize East Indians are minority in the entire Caricom Countries.

Why do you hate Indians so much?  

Where is the hate ? speaking the facts of the mindsets of some. Did you read the ACT of South Africa ? by the way since when generations of East Indians of Guyana are      'Indians" ? some of you feel belittled to be born in South America.

It is suspicious that a person supposedly of Indian ancestry seem more concerned about Blacks than of his own race. Are there any redeeming qualities in people of Indian descent? Or is this just self hate. Maybe this is the person you aspire to be:

FM
Django posted:
Drugb posted:

 Are there any redeeming qualities in people of Indian descent?

Excellent question !!  the ones in the Caribbean have to understand how to live among the rest of the population, avoid being condescending, your rights and their are equal.

Apparently you never asked the Indos from India there opinion about blacks in general and why all other races choose to live far away from black neighborhoods.

FM
Drugb posted:
Django posted:
Drugb posted:

 Are there any redeeming qualities in people of Indian descent?

Excellent question !!  the ones in the Caribbean have to understand how to live among the rest of the population, avoid being condescending, your rights and their are equal.

Apparently you never asked the Indos from India there opinion about blacks in general and why all other races choose to live far away from black neighborhoods.

They love Obama.  Their average income in 2012 was $88,000. Ask them how much they love you since they see you as "black".

Mitwah
Bibi Haniffa posted:
Django posted:

SOUTH AFRICA-PROMOTION OF NATIONAL UNITY AND RECONCILIATION ACT 34 OF 1995

Any one read the above ? how is it applicable to Guyana ? a country with under three quarter million people, where there are ethnic lines of voting. A country where politicians creates the environment for racial divide.

Reading some comments on FB, East Indians castigating the entire Caribbean as racist, most of the posters lives abroad. These idiots don't realize East Indians are minority in the entire Caricom Countries.

Why do you hate Indians so much?  

29% of Guyana's population suppressing 71% of the population. What is this called again?

FM
Mitwah posted:
Drugb posted:
Django posted:
Drugb posted:

 Are there any redeeming qualities in people of Indian descent?

Excellent question !!  the ones in the Caribbean have to understand how to live among the rest of the population, avoid being condescending, your rights and their are equal.

Apparently you never asked the Indos from India there opinion about blacks in general and why all other races choose to live far away from black neighborhoods.

They love Obama.  Their average income in 2012 was $88,000. Ask them how much they love you since they see you as "black".

Unlike Guyana, there are a lot of good blacks I have met in America. I appreciate a black American more than I would than one from some parts of Africa or Guyana.

FM
Drugb posted:
Django posted:
Drugb posted:

 Are there any redeeming qualities in people of Indian descent?

Excellent question !!  the ones in the Caribbean have to understand how to live among the rest of the population, avoid being condescending, your rights and their are equal.

Apparently you never asked the Indos from India there opinion about blacks in general and why all other races choose to live far away from black neighborhoods.

Presumptuous to ask an "Indian"  from India such question. East Indians came to Guyana [ formerly British Guiana ] and met other ethnicities, those who chose to stay after their contract was up,realized they have to exist among the other races. History tells what cause the division, "hint " it started when politicians were seeking self government, from then on it continues.

For your information in Guyana their are African villages sandwiched by East Indian villages spread across the coast land of Guyana.

Django
Django posted:
Drugb posted:
Django posted:
Drugb posted:

 Are there any redeeming qualities in people of Indian descent?

Excellent question !!  the ones in the Caribbean have to understand how to live among the rest of the population, avoid being condescending, your rights and their are equal.

Apparently you never asked the Indos from India there opinion about blacks in general and why all other races choose to live far away from black neighborhoods.

Presumptuous to ask an "Indian"  from India such question. East Indians came to Guyana [ formerly British Guiana ] and met other ethnicities, those who chose to stay after their contract was up,realized they have to exist among the other races. History tells what cause the division, "hint " it started when politicians were seeking self government, from then on it continues.

For your information in Guyana their are African villages sandwiched by East Indian villages spread across the coast land of Guyana.

These Indians will spit on you and walk away. They will have no idea what you are asking. I would not tell an India Indian the time of the day. My response would be "Watch rass deh pan me haan, why you want fuh know de time"?

FM
Django posted:

June 9 2019

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Dear Editor,

British High Commissioner Mr. Gregory Quinn should be given credit for drawing attention to our unrealized potential as a country. And even though the genesis of our under-development ran deep into our colonial past, our current divisive and adversarial politics cannot escape responsibility for our current woes.
.........
I sincerely believe that if only we can rise above the narrow confines of race and prejudice, we can change the tide of poverty that has characterized our existence over the decades.

Hydar Ally

Truth and reconciliation was not a part of the system of government. It was a strategy to reconcile the sense of victimization among Africans and  former white officials who committed atrocities in the name of the state against them. 

The system of government in south africa is a form of devolution...each region is self governing. The parliament of the central government is a bicameral and its members are elected from constituency in the local regions. 

It is not a bad model for us but there has to be some shaping to match our special needs. We need some devolution, non territorial federalism, bicameralism and constituencies that encourages non ethnic voting. This can be done via layering the upper houses over two or more local districts with an electoral system that encourages locals to represent themselves as independent or via some party. 

FM
Bibi Haniffa posted:

Based on the contents of this article, I am going to assume that Hydar is no longer a communist.  I don't believe the South African model will work for Guyana. 

If you have an opinion and kept it to yourself you might as well not suggest you have an opinion. Hydar Ali is as communist as a communist can be. His suggestion is clearly not his preferential model of governing.

FM
Baseman posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:

Based on the contents of this article, I am going to assume that Hydar is no longer a communist.  I don't believe the South African model will work for Guyana. 

No system from one country will ever be a β€œplug and play” in another. 

As you don’t believe it has anything to offer, could you please elaborate on the critical points of the South African model and why it worked there and why it cannot be applied to the Guyana situation!

Indeed no system of government can be plug and play. Our problems are unique to us. We need the electoral system and constitution to fit our needs. Our needs are cooperation of the ethnic group without fear of one or the other getting political advantage to oppress the other. We need an electoral system that prevents ethnic sheep and encourage people voting their needs.

FM
Stormborn posted:
Baseman posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:

Based on the contents of this article, I am going to assume that Hydar is no longer a communist.  I don't believe the South African model will work for Guyana. 

No system from one country will ever be a β€œplug and play” in another. 

As you don’t believe it has anything to offer, could you please elaborate on the critical points of the South African model and why it worked there and why it cannot be applied to the Guyana situation!

Indeed no system of government can be plug and play. Our problems are unique to us. We need the electoral system and constitution to fit our needs. Our needs are cooperation of the ethnic group without fear of one or the other getting political advantage to oppress the other. We need an electoral system that prevents ethnic sheep and encourage people voting their needs.

Rwanda took a big stab at it after 1994 and it seems to be working well!

Baseman

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