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Govt taking steps to privatise GuySuCo

– PPP warns thousands will be on the breadline

The future of the Guyana Sugar Corporation (GuySuCo) is yet to be decided although steps have already been taken by the A Partnership for National Unity/Alliance For Change (APNU/AFC) Government in the direction of privatising the sugar company. This is according to the People’s Progressive Party (PPP) General Secretary Clement Rohee. He disclosed such  while he was addressing media operatives at his Party’s press briefing on Monday about the PPP/Civic’s disapproval  of the recent appointment of Dr Clive Thomas as Chairman of GuySuCo. He stated that Dr. Thomas is quoted as saying “the sugar industry like the rice industry has to be privatised in order for it to function better because it was wrong of the previous administration not to do so.” The PPP/C does not believe that the Sugar Corporation will remain a state entity for much longer under this Administration regardless of the Commission of Inquiry undergoing into GuySuCo. “Steps have already been taken in this direction with the presence in Guyana of Tate & Lyle representatives. Guyana was once privatised and placed in the hands of Tate & Lyle,” Rohee explained. He noted that it was the principals of the same company, Tate & Lyle, which happen to be one of GuySuCo’s main buyers, who recently testified at the ongoing Commission. The PPP General Secretary said that these principals who include Vice President Duncan Tate, Allan Wood and Mac McLachlan had only recently stated that GuySuCo should look at lowering production costs. In fact, Tate & Lyle expressed their continued interest in buying Guyana’s sugar as the company reflected on its long productive association with Guyana. Unfortunately, with recent developments, the sugar market has become very volatile in Europe and the primary consideration presently is the market price. With the removal of the prices which African, Caribbean and Pacific (ACP) countries like Guyana enjoyed, the developing situation dictates that producers have to be more efficient and that demands disciplined management. They noted that the price situation is bound to become even more complex for Guyana when the cap on beet sugar production is deregulated. It was advised that the European Union (EU) will be dominated by beet sugar, and cane sugar will have to compete with beet. Even in countries that are major producers of cane sugar, some factories have been closing. Further, Tate & Lyle had emphasized that the cost of production must be brought down to be competitive.

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Originally Posted by asj:

There has to be some reason why Tate & Lyle is interested in buying and getting this entity to turn around for it to be profitable.

They will ship the sugar to New York for distribution to the rest of the world and the high wine to Canada to manufacture Bacardi rum. Russia is interested in buying our molasses. 

 

R
Originally Posted by baseman:

The sugar industry will benefit from non-political decision making.  It was once private, so why not let it return to private hands.

That is for the Government to decide. if they do, then there would not be enough money to run the country.  Tate & Lyle would not be paying taxes. Once they ship the products out of the country, the money will not be coming back.  They books will show that they are operating at a loss.

R
Originally Posted by Ramakant-P:
Originally Posted by baseman:

The sugar industry will benefit from non-political decision making.  It was once private, so why not let it return to private hands.

That is for the Government to decide. if they do, then there would not be enough money to run the country.  Tate & Lyle would not be paying taxes. Once they ship the products out of the country, the money will not be coming back.  They books will show that they are operating at a loss.

Uncle Rama_can't yuh sounding like commie Cheddi dey .

FM
Originally Posted by TK:
Originally Posted by Ramakant-P:
Originally Posted by baseman:

The sugar industry will benefit from non-political decision making.  It was once private, so why not let it return to private hands.

That is for the Government to decide. if they do, then there would not be enough money to run the country.  Tate & Lyle would not be paying taxes. Once they ship the products out of the country, the money will not be coming back.  They books will show that they are operating at a loss.

Uncle Rama_can't yuh sounding like commie Cheddi dey .

just stating the facts, bhai, just the facts..

R
Originally Posted by asj:

Sometime ago not too long, AFC were recommending Gasohol, wonder what happened to that project. Never hear anything about that for the longest while.

They were also going to recycle cans and garbage. In guess they fooled you..

R
Originally Posted by Ramakant-P:
Originally Posted by baseman:

The sugar industry will benefit from non-political decision making.  It was once private, so why not let it return to private hands.

That is for the Government to decide. if they do, then there would not be enough money to run the country.  Tate & Lyle would not be paying taxes. Once they ship the products out of the country, the money will not be coming back.  They books will show that they are operating at a loss.

Hey Rama, a country should not be in the business of managing commercial corporation as a basis of funding.  This is a commercial enterprise which was in private hands most of its history.  Nationalization and political decision-making drove it into the ground and allowed it to grow uncompetitive.  Keeping it in this failed model will not change its fortunes, just defer the day of judgement and making any prospects for viability that much harder.  In my opinion, Guysuco should have been privatized a long time ago.

FM
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by Ramakant-P:
Originally Posted by baseman:

The sugar industry will benefit from non-political decision making.  It was once private, so why not let it return to private hands.

That is for the Government to decide. if they do, then there would not be enough money to run the country.  Tate & Lyle would not be paying taxes. Once they ship the products out of the country, the money will not be coming back.  They books will show that they are operating at a loss.

Hey Rama, a country should not be in the business of managing commercial corporation as a basis of funding.  This is a commercial enterprise which was in private hands most of its history.  Nationalization and political decision-making drove it into the ground and allowed it to grow uncompetitive.  Keeping it in this failed model will not change its fortunes, just defer the day of judgement and making any prospects for viability that much harder.  In my opinion, Guysuco should have been privatized a long time ago.

This one will be tricky as they might want to go Hi-tech and that will put 28,000 people out of jobs.

R
Originally Posted by asj:

Sometime ago not too long, AFC were recommending Gasohol, wonder what happened to that project. Never hear anything about that for the longest while.

Gas too cheap bai.  Break even is when oil trading at $80-90 DPB.

FM
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by asj:

Sometime ago not too long, AFC were recommending Gasohol, wonder what happened to that project. Never hear anything about that for the longest while.

Gas too cheap bai.  Break even is when oil trading at $80-90 DPB.

I disagree with that. The task is to build domestic production capacity and take the low oil price as a boon from the gods.

FM
Originally Posted by Ramakant-P:
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by Ramakant-P:
Originally Posted by baseman:

The sugar industry will benefit from non-political decision making.  It was once private, so why not let it return to private hands.

That is for the Government to decide. if they do, then there would not be enough money to run the country.  Tate & Lyle would not be paying taxes. Once they ship the products out of the country, the money will not be coming back.  They books will show that they are operating at a loss.

Hey Rama, a country should not be in the business of managing commercial corporation as a basis of funding.  This is a commercial enterprise which was in private hands most of its history.  Nationalization and political decision-making drove it into the ground and allowed it to grow uncompetitive.  Keeping it in this failed model will not change its fortunes, just defer the day of judgement and making any prospects for viability that much harder.  In my opinion, Guysuco should have been privatized a long time ago.

This one will be tricky as they might want to go Hi-tech and that will put 28,000 people out of jobs.

Backward thnking!!

FM
Originally Posted by TK:
Originally Posted by baseman:
Originally Posted by asj:

Sometime ago not too long, AFC were recommending Gasohol, wonder what happened to that project. Never hear anything about that for the longest while.

Gas too cheap bai.  Break even is when oil trading at $80-90 DPB.

I disagree with that. The task is to build domestic production capacity and take the low oil price as a boon from the gods.

So create artificial economics on artificial economics!  I say use some oil wealth to develop the natural gas industry for local consumption.  Gasohol makes little sense from an economic standpoint.  Use the land for higher value agro purposes.

FM
Originally Posted by Ramakant-P:
Originally Posted by TK:
Originally Posted by Ramakant-P:
Originally Posted by baseman:

The sugar industry will benefit from non-political decision making.  It was once private, so why not let it return to private hands.

That is for the Government to decide. if they do, then there would not be enough money to run the country.  Tate & Lyle would not be paying taxes. Once they ship the products out of the country, the money will not be coming back.  They books will show that they are operating at a loss.

Uncle Rama_can't yuh sounding like commie Cheddi dey .

just stating the facts, bhai, just the facts..

Guysuco is a huge drain on state funds.  Let Guysuco be sold like Guymine was. What ever happens to the employees will be a fact of life.

FM

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