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The independent forensic expert brought in by the AFC, Dr. Mark Robinson today told the Commission of Inquiry probing the J

uly 18 killing of three protesters at Linden that the men were killed with ammunition dissimilar to those used by the police.

In a report submitted to the Commission on Tuesday the expert said the shotgun shell samples used by the police were of Challenger Number 6 shot and Number 4 shot while the pellets recovered from the bodies were of 00 buckshot.

“All the projectiles from the three deceased are copper-plated lead 00 buckshot pellets. Whilst most buckshot ammunition is commercially manufactured, in the absence of spent cartridge cases and wadding from the scene I am unable to rule out the possibility that home-loaded or modified shotgun cartridges were used.

According to Dr. Robinson, the pellets discharged from the police-issue cartridges are “readily distinguishable” from the copper-plated 00 buckshot retrieved from the bodies.

“I was also provided with a 00 Buck cartridge of the same Challenger brand. I was informed that buckshot ammunition of this type was withdrawn from police issue in 2005. I dismantled the cartridge and found it to contain nine 00 Buck pellets and a plastic wad. The pellets were not copper-plated and were therefore distinguishable from the pellets described above,” his report read.

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There is no vindication of the police here. It is clear Mr Hughes in interest of finding the truth sought an outside expert. It is obvious if conspiracy was afoot they would not conscript such an expert to refute a their own "crime".

 

It does not absolves the police since everyone can reload a cartridge and with none of the spent shells remaining for examination no comparison to the shot guns could be made.

 

It does not absolve anyone much less the police. It is indeed a tall tale that one sells that these people shot and killed three of their own injuring dozens of others and all conspiring to frame the police.

 

Occam's razor insist explanation for phenomena  must of necessity be simple ie the simplest of explanation is the most reasonable. Refilling a cartridge for the principal reason to establish plausible deniability is such a simple explanation. 

 

Quit yammering about the police being vindicated.

FM
Originally Posted by Conscience:

stormborn, snap out of your dream world, and face the facts, the shoots that killed the Linden protesters were not fired by the police...

 My world would be a dream when you folks begin to tell truths. Who ever killed the people were definitely not the people themselves. The ones opposing them with guns were obvious for all to see.

FM

The BIG BAD PISS POOR PARTY scared of the AFC, a small party that stands in the way of corruption, what a bunch of wimps trying to run the show HAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAA!!

 

Ramotaur should have distanced himself from most of the people he's surrounded himself with if he really wanted to do something good for the country, but nahhhhh, he just stayed course.

cain
Last edited by cain
Originally Posted by warrior:

the only people shooting that day was the policeand the only people shooting today is the ppp crime family they shooting a bunch of shit

Were you there? Where are the witnesses to the shooting? Why are they not coming forward? The coi revealed that shots were emanating from within the crowd. You boys killed your own protesters for political gain and now you blame police. 

FM

Bullets that killed Linden trio not used by police – UK ballistics expert confirms

English ballistics expert, Dr Mark Nicholas Robinson

New evidence…

By Lakhram Bhagirat

The ammunition recovered from the July 18 shooting at Linden is different from the regular ones are police issued, English ballistics expert, Dr Mark Nicholas Robinson Wednesday told the commission of inquiry probing the shooting incident.
This revelation has led many to believe that the shots which killed the three people during the protests in Linden were fired by someone else, thereby vindicating the police from any wrongdoing as far as the deaths are concerned. This new explosive evidence would be a slap in the face of the A Partnership for National Unity (APNU) and Alliance For Change (AFC) which presumed that the police fired the fatal shots on the day in question.
“I was provided with a total of three rounds of ammunition, which I was told that two were used and the third has been used since 2005. One was Challenger Number 6; second, a Number 4 – those were small pellets; and the third cartridge contained 00 buck pellets, but those were different than those in question,” he said.

English ballistics expert, Dr Mark Nicholas Robinson

“… ones recovered were pellets that were coated with a light coating of copper whereas the police ammunition were just lead and I was informed that 00 pellets were never used since 2005,” Dr Robinson added. He said he visited the scene on Saturday last and spoke to witnesses and returned to Police Headquarters, Eve Leary where he conducted tests on the pellets recovered from the remains of the dead and the injured at the Police Ballistics Laboratory.
He noted that during the compilation of his reports he used information contained in the post-mortem reports by Trinidad’s pathologist Professor Hubert Daisley and government’s pathologist Dr Nehaul Singh.
In his report, Dr Robinson stated that the locations of the victims are consistent with shots having been fired along the road towards the Wismar-Mackenzie Bridge and from the road towards the Linmine Secretariat Building. He said that at the Police Headquarters he met with Sergeant Jackson who handed over the recovered pellets. “Each of the items I examined proved to be lead buckshot pellets. These are pellets which would be contained within a shotgun cartridge,” he said.
“…it’s not possible to give a calibre just from the examination of pellets, but I found the most common calibre is 12-gauge, and I’m certainly aware that a number of manufacturers make buckshot cartridges in 12-gauge and I have no reason to suspect that the calibre of gun used could be anything but 12-gauge,” he opined.
He explained that pellets can be measured by their size and weight. He was also shown a photograph of the police holding a gun and was asked to determine the calibre of the weapon.
“You can’t tell the gauge just by looking at the shotgun, but nothing suggests anything but 12-gauge, they are pump-action shotguns, so I have no reason to suspect that they are anything but capable of discharging 12-gauge cartridges,” he responded.

No evidence of ricochet effect
Commander of the Tactical Services Unit (TSU) ranks who were deployed to Linden on July 18, Assistant Superintendent Patrick Todd had testified that he utilised the shotguns to fire into the ground to produce a ricochet effect to scare the protesters.
However, Dr Robinson’s report stated that the pellets recovered from the bodies bore no evidence of having “ricocheted from a road surface”.
“The pellets recovered bore no evidence of being ricocheted from a road surface, because lead shotgun pellets are very soft and if it was to strike a road surface, it would be badly deformed and there would be traces of debris on. I looked for evidence of debris and evidence of it being deformed but I found no such evidence,” he said as he sought to explain.
“Each victim was hit by one, two, or three pellets, now distance determination with shotguns depends on the shot pattern produced. When all the pellets hit the target and the pellets spread out, the farther they are away from the muzzle and if fired into a wall, it would produce a circular pattern,” he said when asked about the pattern and the possibility of someone just being hit by one pellet.

No rifle in crowd
He explained that buckshot cartridges have nine pellets and trying to read the pattern of shots from just one or two pellets would not create an accurate measurement of the exact location of the police when they allegedly fired at the protesters.
He said in the case of Allan Lewis, the reason the entry point of the pellet was lower than the exit is because of the possibility that he was leaning forward or running when he was fired at.
“Buckshot pellets can be a little untidy, meaning that they do not form a perfect circle pattern or within a pattern, they are not perfectly equidistant from each other; so it’s always possible that one of the pellets from the nine may always misplaced and then you might fire a second shot and all of the pellets may be grouped together,” he said.
When asked about the possibility of someone shooting from the river, the expert said that there would have been pellets indented on the bridge and persons would be shot in the limbs. However, upon his investigation, no such indentations were discovered.
He also said that it would be virtually impossible for someone from within the crowd to conceal the weapon and discharge at the protesters because of the size of the gun, which ranges from 18 inches to an approximate 3.5 feet and it also cannot be silenced.
The police are accused of shooting to death three persons on July 18 at the Wismar/Mackenzie Bridge, Linden. Ron Somerset, Allan Lewis and Shemroy Bouyea were shot dead while protesting the hike in electricity tariffs in the mining town. The incident triggered a more-than-month-long protest and the burning of several public buildings, including the One Mile Primary School. As a result, it was agreed by government and the opposition parties, AFC and APNU that a commission of inquiry be established to investigate the incident.
The two parties have been campaigning vigorously for the removal of Home Affairs Minister Clement Rohee, claiming that he was giving instructions to the police at Linden, instead of waiting on findings of the inquiry.
Earlier this week, both parties supported two days of terror under the guise of protest action in Agricola, Greater Georgetown, during which thousands of innocent citizens, including schoolchildren were stranded and some beaten and robbed, while the police attacked despite showing considerable restraint.
The commissioners are former Jamaican Chief Justice Lensley Wolfe, Jamaican Senior Counsel Keith D Knight, retired Guyana Appeal Court Justice Claudette Singh, Trinidad Senior Counsel Dana Seetahal, and former Chancellor of the Judiciary, Cecil Kennard. The commission is chaired by Wolfe.

FM
Originally Posted by Conscience:

stormborn, snap out of your dream world, and face the facts, the shoots that killed the Linden protesters were not fired by the police...


Do you know for a fact that some of the police men were not issued with these types of bullets?

FM
Originally Posted by albert:

Bullets that killed Linden trio not used by police – UK ballistics expert confirms

English ballistics expert, Dr Mark Nicholas Robinson

New evidence…

By Lakhram Bhagirat

 

No rifle in crowd
 
He also said that it would be virtually impossible for someone from within the crowd to conceal the weapon and discharge at the protesters because of the size of the gun, which ranges from 18 inches to an approximate 3.5 feet and it also cannot be silenced.
 


Note this.  NO RIFLE IN CROWD.

FM
Originally Posted by warrior:

the only people shooting that day was the policeand the only people shooting today is the ppp crime family they shooting a bunch of shit

You getting emotional. Stick to the facts and the facts say that it was not the police. Then who?

FM

the police is the only people that have this kind of bullets,unless the people in linden use slingshots and shoot themselfs,how come the police never claim that the people was shooting at them you fools is trying to twist the man words to fool people but what the man is saying fools is that the police was not using standard bullets but bullets that the police have in store so you ppp crime family can stop shooting shit

FM
Originally Posted by warrior:

the police is the only people that have this kind of bullets,unless the people in linden use slingshots and shoot themselfs,how come the police never claim that the people was shooting at them you fools is trying to twist the man words to fool people but what the man is saying fools is that the police was not using standard bullets but bullets that the police have in store so you ppp crime family can stop shooting shit

No, the AFc/PNC with the help of the pepper sauce man and his contacts in Brazil have access to these types of long guns and bullets. You fools kill the people and try to dawb your shtye in the police arse. ahahahahh

FM

The ballistic expert reveal that the bullets used to shoot and fatally wound the Linden protesters were not issued by the police, the commissioner of police early told the C.O.I that the force had received intelligence that rogue elements were on the bridge, hell bent on making public mischief....the joint opposition can't escape blame

FM

"FORENSIC EXPERT BROUGHT IN BY NIGEL HUGHES TELLS COI BULLETS THAT KILLED LINDENERS WERE NOT THOSE USED BY POLICE!!"

 

 

I read this as, the bullets in question are not bullets issued to the Police but this does not mean it was not the Police who shot the weapon.

 

Furthermore, are Phantoms usually referred to as Police?

cain

the guyana police force will bring this government down with their action,unless this government take a stand against the police and clean it up,which they cannot really do because they depend on the police to hold power so they is between a rock and a hard place,and when they playing politics and trying to hold on to power who do you think suffer the indian people, and guyana in a whole at present it the east bank how if buxton start back then guyana will come to a standstill unless the government ask the police to kill again then the government will still lose,for guyana to move FORWARD this government have to give up a little power

FM
IT'S ALSO NOT A VINDICATION OF THE AFC/APNU CLAIMS OF PEACEFUL PROTESTERS BEING FIRED UPON BY THE POLICE EITHER. YOU'D THINK THAT WITH ALL THE 'EVIDENCE' AND EYE WITNESS STATEMENTS NIGEL COLLECTED WE'D HAVE ALREADY HAD SOME BOMBSHELL REVELATIONS BY NOW.
 
Originally Posted by Stormborn:

There is no vindication of the police here.

FM
Originally Posted by Conscience:

The ballistic expert reveal that the bullets used to shoot and fatally wound the Linden protesters were not issued by the police,


He said that they were not the normal bullets used by the police.  His statements said nothing about whether olice men might have had other types of weapns.

 

What should concern you is that he said that there is no way that the bullets could have been fired from within the crowd.

 

So if they were fired from elsewhere why were the police not able to see from where the shoits came from and go to arrest the shooters?

FM

The revelations of the ballistic test has giving credit to the common thought, that criminal elements with soft spots for the opponents of the state, were at work on the Linden/Mackenzie bridge on the 18th July 2012

FM

Its clear to see, the IQ level of "cain" leaves much to be desired, one pity him....the political gathering he represents sinister schemes were exposed, the incidents at Linden and Agricola it is widely believed were opposition instigated

FM
Originally Posted by Conscience:

Its clear to see, the IQ level of "cain" leaves much to be desired, one pity him....the political gathering he represents sinister schemes were exposed, the incidents at Linden and Agricola it is widely believed were opposition instigated

Speaking of IQ level, what is that shyte you posted that I've highlited, explain.

Do you even know what the initials IQ stand for?

cain

So to answer my question above your post the answers are:

 

1. Speaking of IQ level, what is that shyte you posted that I've highlited, explain.

 

Answer: I don't know

 

2. Do you even know what the initials IQ stand for?

 

Answer: I don't know

cain

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