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FIRST Lady, Mrs. Sandra Granger on Monday launched yet another Information Communication Technology (ICT) training programme; this time, in the Essequibo Islands-West Demerara Region (Region Three), to provide youths with skills in the areas of information technology, literacy and numeracy, entrepreneurship, sexual reproductive health, STEM subjects, and other soft skills.

The programme, which is being executed through a collaborative effort between the Office of the First Lady, the Ministry of Social Protection and the Board of Industrial Training (BIT), will run for four weeks and caters for 30 participants. Training sessions are conducted at the Leonora Secondary School, West Bank Demerara.

In brief remarks, the First Lady congratulated the participants for making the decision to be a part of the programme and told participants that the workshop does not only focus on ICT, but is also designed to prepare them for the world of work. “You are living in an age of technology and if you want to participate in a meaningful way in the world you are going to inherit, you have to have the knowledge of ICT,” she said.

Mrs. Granger also expressed her gratitude to the Ministry of Social Protection and the BIT for their continued support. “The beauty about this Board of the Industrial Training workshop is that it has a recognised certificate…This is why I want to challenge you to do your best to make yourselves employable… With the skill that you need to get ahead,” she said.

Chief Executive Officer, Mr. Richard Maughn encouraged the participants to embrace the opportunities afforded to them through the smart use of ICT to become productive citizens. “As individuals, you need to be able to make good use of information in this the age of ICT… information technology can empower your lives and it is our intention to make sure that every one of you achieve success,” he said.

Regional Executive Officer, Mr. Denis Jaikaran who also addressed the gathering, took the opportunity to thank the First Lady for her efforts to empower youths and expressed gratitude for having the programme launched in Region Three. He also pledged to award all students with a 90 per cent attendance rate, with prizes on behalf of the regional administration.

In an invited comment, participant, Ms. Tamara Dey said that the training affords her the opportunity of self-improvement and will help her to become an independent young individual “I’m hoping to gain the skill which I currently lack in information technology and I plan to use what I will learn to get employed,” she said.

Mr. Stavon David, another participant, said that he plans to use the workshop experience to enrol in a technical institute to further his education in the field of engineering.

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randolph posted:

 

FIRST Lady, Mrs. Sandra Granger on Monday launched yet another Information Communication Technology (ICT) training programme; this time, in the Essequibo Islands-West Demerara Region (Region Three), to provide youths with skills in the areas of information technology, literacy and numeracy, entrepreneurship, sexual reproductive health, STEM subjects, and other soft skills.

The programme, which is being executed through a collaborative effort between the Office of the First Lady, the Ministry of Social Protection and the Board of Industrial Training (BIT), will run for four weeks and caters for 30 participants. Training sessions are conducted at the Leonora Secondary School, West Bank Demerara.

In brief remarks, the First Lady congratulated the participants for making the decision to be a part of the programme and told participants that the workshop does not only focus on ICT, but is also designed to prepare them for the world of work. “You are living in an age of technology and if you want to participate in a meaningful way in the world you are going to inherit, you have to have the knowledge of ICT,” she said.

Mrs. Granger also expressed her gratitude to the Ministry of Social Protection and the BIT for their continued support. “The beauty about this Board of the Industrial Training workshop is that it has a recognised certificate…This is why I want to challenge you to do your best to make yourselves employable… With the skill that you need to get ahead,” she said.

Chief Executive Officer, Mr. Richard Maughn encouraged the participants to embrace the opportunities afforded to them through the smart use of ICT to become productive citizens. “As individuals, you need to be able to make good use of information in this the age of ICT… information technology can empower your lives and it is our intention to make sure that every one of you achieve success,” he said.

Regional Executive Officer, Mr. Denis Jaikaran who also addressed the gathering, took the opportunity to thank the First Lady for her efforts to empower youths and expressed gratitude for having the programme launched in Region Three. He also pledged to award all students with a 90 per cent attendance rate, with prizes on behalf of the regional administration.

In an invited comment, participant, Ms. Tamara Dey said that the training affords her the opportunity of self-improvement and will help her to become an independent young individual “I’m hoping to gain the skill which I currently lack in information technology and I plan to use what I will learn to get employed,” she said.

Mr. Stavon David, another participant, said that he plans to use the workshop experience to enrol in a technical institute to further his education in the field of engineering.

Does anyone know how this works or what the criteria were? Was there an open application process then selection? I spent a lot of time on WCD and in Essequibo. This is NOT an accurate ethnic representation.

GTAngler
Nehru posted:

The Djangos of the World are the worst ANIMALS on the Planet. Not because they were born brain dead means that they will forever be that DUMB and STUPID!!!

lay off the personal attacks

FM

The Stench of Granger's and his Burnhamite Racism:

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It will get worse after 2020's rigging.

This is quite disgraceful for a land of SIX races where Afros are only 28 Percent.

Shame on the First Lady !!!!!!!!!

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has anybody even bothered to check whether ANY Indo-Guyanese were turned away?

i'll wager the answer is NONE!!

idle 'race' bacoos posting here

btw, there are 20 posing for the photo . . . the workshop was for 30

smfh

FM
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ronan posted:

has anybody even bothered to check whether ANY Indo-Guyanese were turned away?

i'll wager the answer is NONE!!

idle 'race' bacoos posting here

btw, there are 20 posing for the photo . . . the workshop was for 30

smfh

Did you bother to read my earlier post asking what the process and criteria were? On one hand, rural Indo-Guyanese are known to be distrustful of anything coming from a PNC government. It's very possible fewer Indos applied. The fact that there is at least one Indo in that picture means at least one Indo applied. Now if you really wanted to help the youths in an area AND wanted to be fair, would you not have made sure you reached out to all the schools or are you telling me that is an accurate depiction of the ethnic breakdown of youths in that region? Now, on the other hand,you're a racist bigot. Some of us try to be fair here, on both sides. If it was the other way around, you would have been crying like a little girl that there must be some Afro Guyanese in that region. So you can shake whatever the ass you want.

GTAngler
ronan posted:
GTAngler posted:
ronan posted:

has anybody even bothered to check whether ANY Indo-Guyanese were turned away?

i'll wager the answer is NONE!!

idle 'race' bacoos posting here

btw, there are 20 posing for the photo . . . the workshop was for 30

smfh

Did you bother to read my earlier post asking what the process and criteria were? On one hand, rural Indo-Guyanese are known to be distrustful of anything coming from a PNC government. It's very possible fewer Indos applied. The fact that there is at least one Indo in that picture means at least one Indo applied. Now if you really wanted to help the youths in an area AND wanted to be fair, would you not have made sure you reached out to all the schools or are you telling me that is an accurate depiction of the ethnic breakdown of youths in that region? Now, on the other hand,you're a racist bigot. Some of us try to be fair here, on both sides. If it was the other way around, you would have been crying like a little girl that there must be some Afro Guyanese in that region. So you can shake whatever the ass you want.

indeed, it is NOT representative of the district/region’s population

thanks Captain Obvious

after all y’all anti men jump in and shake alyuh privates screaming “racism” without any reflection of the factors you, days later, now decide to tiptoe around

now yuh trying to bamboozle people bout how you trying “to be fair” . . .

g’wan dahside you bigot scamp

Obviously you've not read much of what I have written here. Either that or you didn't understand. Please ask if you need help. The only anti-man here is you. You're the one obsessed with sticking things up your ass. Keep your racist bilge for scum like yourself.

GTAngler
GTAngler posted:
ronan posted:

has anybody even bothered to check whether ANY Indo-Guyanese were turned away?

i'll wager the answer is NONE!!

idle 'race' bacoos posting here

btw, there are 20 posing for the photo . . . the workshop was for 30

smfh

Did you bother to read my earlier post asking what the process and criteria were? On one hand, rural Indo-Guyanese are known to be distrustful of anything coming from a PNC government. It's very possible fewer Indos applied. The fact that there is at least one Indo in that picture means at least one Indo applied. Now if you really wanted to help the youths in an area AND wanted to be fair, would you not have made sure you reached out to all the schools or are you telling me that is an accurate depiction of the ethnic breakdown of youths in that region? Now, on the other hand,you're a racist bigot. Some of us try to be fair here, on both sides. If it was the other way around, you would have been crying like a little girl that there must be some Afro Guyanese in that region. So you can shake whatever the ass you want.

indeed, it is NOT representative of the district/region’s population

thanks Captain Obvious

after all y’all antimen jump in and shake alyuh privates screaming “racism” without any reflection on the factors you, days later, now decide to tiptoe around

now yuh trying to bamboozle people bout how you trying “to be fair . . .”

g’wan dahside bigot scamp

FM
GTAngler posted:
Some of us try to be fair here, on both sides. 

Yes you do both sides.  The Indian side and the Indian side.  You studiously refuse to comment about the exclusion of blacks during the Jagdeo era.  Suddenly ethnic inclusiveness becomes an issue for you now that there is a real risk of Indian exclusion.

Now suppose I told you that someone has decided that a focus on young blacks is being made because if the PPP wins in 2020 Guyana will once again be a nation where only the worst jobs are reserved for blacks and so they might as well be as equipped to the extent that they can do to protect themselves should this era return.

When you intelligently discuss Indian racism towards blacks as D2 on many occasions tried to get people to do then you can chat about being fair.  As of now your only concern is the potential for Indian exclusion.

Even in 2018 the private sector is mainly Indian owned and is unashamedly biased in its racist treatment of blacks.  You say NOTHING on this!

FM
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It's really sad that you see me as only being pro Indo Guyanese. You fall into the same category as Ronan. The only non racists are people who subscribe to your brand of racism. Just to point something out, no where did I ever use "racist" in any of my responses in that thread. I said it was not ethically representative. It takes one of your bias to interpret that as being racist. Before you speak of the private sector being mainly Indian owned in 2018 why don't you compare the statistics under Burnham. While we all know what Jagdeo and his cronies were all about, it was always that way. So are the Indians supposed to not work hard and invest because it makes you uncomfortable? What is to prevent any Afro Guyanese from doing the same? Maybe do a socio economic study before talking nonsense. 

GTAngler

GTANGLER,bhai there were not much empowerment of Africans during Burnham era,except for the few who did his bidding.Africans also suffered and they resented the despot.

To paint you as racist,i will certainly disagree,you daon belong to the crew on this BB.

Django
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GTANGLER,bhai there were not much empowerment of Africans during Burnham era,except for the few who did his bidding.Africans also suffered and they resented the despot.

Seriously, you have the balls to say the above. which coolie man bugger you that you hate Indians so much. You believe black people will worship you for what you are propagate. 

FM
Dave posted:

GTANGLER,bhai there were not much empowerment of Africans during Burnham era,except for the few who did his bidding.Africans also suffered and they resented the despot.

Seriously, you have the balls to say the above. which coolie man bugger you that you hate Indians so much. You believe black people will worship you for what you are propagate. 

Well it appears you are a dimwit,where in my statement hating of East Indians are mentioned.

Do you dispute what i said ?

Django
Django posted:
Dave posted:

GTANGLER,bhai there were not much empowerment of Africans during Burnham era,except for the few who did his bidding.Africans also suffered and they resented the despot.

Seriously, you have the balls to say the above. which coolie man bugger you that you hate Indians so much. You believe black people will worship you for what you are propagate. 

Well it appears you are a dimwit,where in my statement hating of East Indians are mentioned.

Do you dispute what i said ?

My reference of your hate for Indians coolie man Djanjo reflects your repetitive comments.. not only to this subject.

yes I dispute what you said, and you knew it also but was told Norman Maclean blind side you in the days 

FM
Mr.T posted:

These were participants who took up the offer. It should be clear to anyone that the Indian kids had better offers.

T, the jagdeo bacoos know this

but 'race' is the ONLY avenue to power these vulgar ethnic husslers posing here can contemplate

FM
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Mr.T posted:

These were participants who took up the offer. It should be clear to anyone that the Indian kids had better offers.

On one hand, rural Indo-Guyanese are known to be distrustful of anything coming from a PNC government. It's very possible fewer Indos applied.

I addressed this earlier and I asked what the application/selection process was. It isn't clear to me what better offer the Indian Kids had and from whom. Maybe I missed something. Please elaborate.

GTAngler
GTAngler posted:

It's really sad that you see me as only being pro Indo Guyanese. study before talking nonsense. 

I can only judge you but what you show me.  You are quick to raise Afro racism towards Indians but revert to this behavior when reminded that Indo treatment of blacks is just as appropriate.

At what point do you EVER discuss both sides of the problem? NEVER! And when people do this you call us racists.

FM
GTAngler posted:

. So are the Indians supposed to not work hard and invest because it makes you uncomfortable? . 

Indians are expected to hire the best PERSON available.  Not the best INDIAN person available.

Just as yo0u can scream about ethnic under representation in this instance many can and do comment about under representation in Indian owned companies.

If a white owned company in North America refused to promote anyone but whites into upper echelon jobs they would be racist.  But given your racist bias its OK when Indian owned companies in Guyana do that.

So if the Indian owned private sector can be biased against blacks then why wail if a black dominated public sector show bias against Indians. And don't chat about how Indians pay taxes because I challenge you to tell him about any Indian company that doesn't get some level of support from black customers and/or the gov't (blacks also pay taxes).

Your problem is that your bias is so ingrained in you that you don't even see this.

FM
Mr.T posted:

These were participants who took up the offer. It should be clear to anyone that the Indian kids had better offers.

Maybe yes. Maybe no, but if we want to discuss ethnic representation in Guyana we should NOT merely limit it to the public sector.

Yes it might well be that Indians have more access to the private sector so less need for these programs in order to access opportunities.

It is clear to any who visit Guyana that within the English speaking Caribbean blacks are doing worse than they are in other parts of the Caribbean.  40 years ago this was NOT the case.

FM
caribny posted:
Mr.T posted:

These were participants who took up the offer. It should be clear to anyone that the Indian kids had better offers.

Maybe yes. Maybe no, but if we want to discuss ethnic representation in Guyana we should NOT merely limit it to the public sector.

Yes it might well be that Indians have more access to the private sector so less need for these programs in order to access opportunities.

It is clear to any who visit Guyana that within the English speaking Caribbean blacks are doing worse than they are in other parts of the Caribbean.  40 years ago this was NOT the case.

What’s holding back Blackpeople. 

FM
Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

This is the change many you on this forum fought for.  Stop living in denial. The ugly racism of the Burnham era is staring you in the face again. 

Don’t forget those dejected old PPPites who just wanted to see the back of Jagdeo and threw out the baby 👶 with the bath water.   Now guilt and shame got them, so the are suddenly back on Jagdeo bandwagon. 

As they say, too late shall be the cry of dunces!

Baseman
caribny posted:
Mr.T posted:

These were participants who took up the offer. It should be clear to anyone that the Indian kids had better offers.

Maybe yes. Maybe no, but if we want to discuss ethnic representation in Guyana we should NOT merely limit it to the public sector.

Yes it might well be that Indians have more access to the private sector so less need for these programs in order to access opportunities.

It is clear to any who visit Guyana that within the English speaking Caribbean blacks are doing worse than they are in other parts of the Caribbean.  40 years ago this was NOT the case.

Bull scheizer, racist schwein!

Baseman
Baseman posted:
Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

This is the change many you on this forum fought for.  Stop living in denial. The ugly racism of the Burnham era is staring you in the face again. 

Don’t forget those dejected old PPPites who just wanted to see the back of Jagdeo and threw out the baby 👶 with the bath water.   Now guilt and shame got them, so the are suddenly back on Jagdeo bandwagon. 

As they say, too late shall be the cry of dunces!

Base I thought you didn’t like the man also, so you jump back on the bandwagon also 

FM
Dave posted:
Baseman posted:
Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

This is the change many you on this forum fought for.  Stop living in denial. The ugly racism of the Burnham era is staring you in the face again. 

Don’t forget those dejected old PPPites who just wanted to see the back of Jagdeo and threw out the baby 👶 with the bath water.   Now guilt and shame got them, so the are suddenly back on Jagdeo bandwagon. 

As they say, too late shall be the cry of dunces!

Base I thought you didn’t like the man also, so you jump back on the bandwagon also 

Base like go-cum.

Django
Dave posted:
caribny posted:
Mr.T posted:

These were participants who took up the offer. It should be clear to anyone that the Indian kids had better offers.

Maybe yes. Maybe no, but if we want to discuss ethnic representation in Guyana we should NOT merely limit it to the public sector.

Yes it might well be that Indians have more access to the private sector so less need for these programs in order to access opportunities.

It is clear to any who visit Guyana that within the English speaking Caribbean blacks are doing worse than they are in other parts of the Caribbean.  40 years ago this was NOT the case.

What’s holding back Blackpeople. 

Laziness.

FM
Dave posted:
caribny posted:
Mr.T posted:

These were participants who took up the offer. It should be clear to anyone that the Indian kids had better offers.

Maybe yes. Maybe no, but if we want to discuss ethnic representation in Guyana we should NOT merely limit it to the public sector.

Yes it might well be that Indians have more access to the private sector so less need for these programs in order to access opportunities.

It is clear to any who visit Guyana that within the English speaking Caribbean blacks are doing worse than they are in other parts of the Caribbean.  40 years ago this was NOT the case.

What’s holding back Blackpeople. 

I asked the same question.......don't hold your breath for an answer.

GTAngler
cain posted:

HAHAA Baseman doing things Trumpski style, he agrees..he doesn't agree, he believes..he doesn't believe, he knows..he knows not,  confusing tarass.

Constantly changing so no one can pin him down on anything. 

FM
caribny posted:
GTAngler posted:

. So are the Indians supposed to not work hard and invest because it makes you uncomfortable? . 

Indians are expected to hire the best PERSON available.  Not the best INDIAN person available.

Just as yo0u can scream about ethnic under representation in this instance many can and do comment about under representation in Indian owned companies.

If a white owned company in North America refused to promote anyone but whites into upper echelon jobs they would be racist.  But given your racist bias its OK when Indian owned companies in Guyana do that.

So if the Indian owned private sector can be biased against blacks then why wail if a black dominated public sector show bias against Indians. And don't chat about how Indians pay taxes because I challenge you to tell him about any Indian company that doesn't get some level of support from black customers and/or the gov't (blacks also pay taxes).

Your problem is that your bias is so ingrained in you that you don't even see this.

You really are a clown. You went from Indian people owning business to who they should hire? You have no ambition. YOU see Afro Guyanese as people to be hired and not as the people doing the hiring and you call me racist? As I asked before, what prevents any Afro Guyanese from working and becoming successful. It's useless trying to have an intelligent conversation with you. In your eyes, racial equality is appeasement and entitlement. The only non racists are the ones who try to appease Afro Guyanese even at the expense of alienating their own ethnic group. Well, get this straight. I will NEVER turn my back on Indo Guyanese to please racist pricks like you. NOONE is entitled to anything. Work for what you want and stop hating those who make the sacrifices. As for a white company promoting only whites, if they are more qualified, then by all means do so. I worked for an all white company. I was the only person of color there except for 2 Chinese. I got the job based on my ability. I had an assistant in the office and supervised a crew in the warehouse when I left.

GTAngler
Dave posted:
 

What’s holding back Blackpeople. 

What's holding back Indians?   If they were so well off you wouldn't care whether the existing gov't discriminates against them or not.  The issue is that they aren't uniformly well off which is why there is a highly developed notion that there are current plans to marginalize Indians.

FM
GTAngler posted:
 

You really are a clown. You went from Indian people owning business to who they should hire? You have no ambition. YOU see Afro Guyanese as people to be hired and not as the people doing the hiring and you call me racist? As I asked before, what prevents any Afro Guyanese from working and becoming successful. It's useless trying to have an intelligent conversation with you. In your eyes, racial equality is appeasement and entitlement. The only non racists are the ones who try to appease Afro Guyanese even at the expense of alienating their own ethnic group. Well, get this straight. I will NEVER turn my back on Indo Guyanese to please racist pricks like you. NOONE is entitled to anything. Work for what you want and stop hating those who make the sacrifices. As for a white company promoting only whites, if they are more qualified, then by all means do so. I worked for an all white company. I was the only person of color there except for 2 Chinese. I got the job based on my ability. I had an assistant in the office and supervised a crew in the warehouse when I left.

This is where your racism jumps up and bites your azz.  In NYC 11% of Haitian men and only 7% of Guyanese men are self employed.  The Guyanese self employment levels on par with Jamaicans.  So even if no Afro Guyanese was self employed (hardly the case) this will mean that at least 90% of Indo Guyanese men living in NYC are employees.

So basically you are giving whites carte blanche to fire 90% of Indo Guyanese men in NYC with the admonition that they should start their own businesses and let white owned/dominated entities give preference to other whites.  This without regard to whether they are the better candidate or not.

Interesting that when given the opportunity to discuss the hiring practices of white companies you scream that they should hire on merit, given whites preference only when they are the superior candidate. When it comes to Indians in Guyana no such meritocracy should obtain.  They are justified in NOT hiring blacks EVEN WHEN THE BLACK PERSON IS THE BETTER CANDIDATE.

Continue to show how uninterested you are in a fair and balanced conversation about racism in Guyana.  Loud and hysterical when you perceive blacks excluding Indians.  Loud and hysterical when made to explain the fact that Indian exclude blacks when they are able to.

In most modern societies the vast MAJORITY of people will be employees.  This applies as much to Indo Guyanese as it does to others.  It is a fallacy and a blatant lie, and also unfair to Indians to paint them all as wealthy businessmen.  In North America the vast MAJORITY of Indo Guyanese work for others.

FM
caribny posted:
GTAngler posted:
 

You really are a clown. You went from Indian people owning business to who they should hire? You have no ambition. YOU see Afro Guyanese as people to be hired and not as the people doing the hiring and you call me racist? As I asked before, what prevents any Afro Guyanese from working and becoming successful. It's useless trying to have an intelligent conversation with you. In your eyes, racial equality is appeasement and entitlement. The only non racists are the ones who try to appease Afro Guyanese even at the expense of alienating their own ethnic group. Well, get this straight. I will NEVER turn my back on Indo Guyanese to please racist pricks like you. NOONE is entitled to anything. Work for what you want and stop hating those who make the sacrifices. As for a white company promoting only whites, if they are more qualified, then by all means do so. I worked for an all white company. I was the only person of color there except for 2 Chinese. I got the job based on my ability. I had an assistant in the office and supervised a crew in the warehouse when I left.

This is where your racism jumps up and bites your azz.  In NYC 11% of Haitian men and only 7% of Guyanese men are self employed.  The Guyanese self employment levels on par with Jamaicans.  So even if no Afro Guyanese was self employed (hardly the case) this will mean that at least 90% of Indo Guyanese men living in NYC are employees.

So basically you are giving whites carte blanche to fire 90% of Indo Guyanese men in NYC with the admonition that they should start their own businesses and let white owned/dominated entities give preference to other whites.  This without regard to whether they are the better candidate or not.

Interesting that when given the opportunity to discuss the hiring practices of white companies you scream that they should hire on merit, given whites preference only when they are the superior candidate. When it comes to Indians in Guyana no such meritocracy should obtain.  They are justified in NOT hiring blacks EVEN WHEN THE BLACK PERSON IS THE BETTER CANDIDATE.

Continue to show how uninterested you are in a fair and balanced conversation about racism in Guyana.  Loud and hysterical when you perceive blacks excluding Indians.  Loud and hysterical when made to explain the fact that Indian exclude blacks when they are able to.

In most modern societies the vast MAJORITY of people will be employees.  This applies as much to Indo Guyanese as it does to others.  It is a fallacy and a blatant lie, and also unfair to Indians to paint them all as wealthy businessmen.  In North America the vast MAJORITY of Indo Guyanese work for others.

So we went from you complaining about Indians owning the majority of business in Guyana to Indians should hire more Afros regardless of qualification to I am enabling the Whites because I believe in hiring the best qualified candidate. And this makes me racist? Laughable. Keep blaming the world for your shortcomings. The rest of us will continue to work hard and make our lives a success.

GTAngler
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GTAngler posted:
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So we went from you complaining about Indians owning the majority of business in Guyana to Indians should hire more Afros regardless of qualification to I am enabling the Whites because I believe in hiring the best qualified candidate. And this makes me racist? Laughable. Keep blaming the world for your shortcomings. The rest of us will continue to work hard and make our lives a success.

I did NOT complain that the majority of businesses are owned by Indians. I stated it as a FACT.  Just as it is a FACT that the bulk of the public sector is dominated by blacks.

My contention is if the domination of the private sector by Indians gives Indians an excuse to exclude blacks, because they consider them to be unsuitable for no reason other than being black, then why scream if blacks do the same thing in the public sector. to Indians.  Yes they are then both committing the same sin of using ethnicity and not merit. 

But in your eyes its only wrong when the black person does it.  Then you scream that you are fair and balanced and talk with intelligence on race in Guyana.  I see that you must agree with Trump that white Americans are getting a raw deal because of all of these nonwhites who demand their due based upon a system of merit.

Its seems OK for Indians to exclude but not blacks.  It seems OK for Indians to scream racism when blacks exclude them but when blacks scream racism such behavior is co0nsidered racist. 

That it is perfectly logical in your world for an Indian to only hire Indians, and exclude any consideration of black professionals because the latter clearly must be incompetent and incapable. That to fair minded and balanced people is RACIST and it is a fact that YOU must be a racist if you cannot understand this FACT.

I have no doubt that there is bias going on here. My contention is that this bias as NO WORSE than that which goes on in the private sector.

If you wish to continue to be an anti black racist then continue to justify racism against blacks by the private sector but do NOT wail when blacks in the public sector retaliate.

I also have made note of your RACIST personal attack against me. This reveal lots in your little reptilian head. I am a loser because I am black. That is your thinking.

FM
caribny posted:
GTAngler posted:
.

So we went from you complaining about Indians owning the majority of business in Guyana to Indians should hire more Afros regardless of qualification to I am enabling the Whites because I believe in hiring the best qualified candidate. And this makes me racist? Laughable. Keep blaming the world for your shortcomings. The rest of us will continue to work hard and make our lives a success.

I did NOT complain that the majority of businesses are owned by Indians. I stated it as a FACT.  Just as it is a FACT that the bulk of the public sector is dominated by blacks.

My contention is if the domination of the private sector by Indians gives Indians an excuse to exclude blacks, because they consider them to be unsuitable for no reason other than being black, then why scream if blacks do the same thing in the public sector. to Indians.  Yes they are then both committing the same sin of using ethnicity and not merit. 

But in your eyes its only wrong when the black person does it.  Then you scream that you are fair and balanced and talk with intelligence on race in Guyana.  I see that you must agree with Trump that white Americans are getting a raw deal because of all of these nonwhites who demand their due based upon a system of merit.

Its seems OK for Indians to exclude but not blacks.  It seems OK for Indians to scream racism when blacks exclude them but when blacks scream racism such behavior is co0nsidered racist. 

That it is perfectly logical in your world for an Indian to only hire Indians, and exclude any consideration of black professionals because the latter clearly must be incompetent and incapable. That to fair minded and balanced people is RACIST and it is a fact that YOU must be a racist if you cannot understand this FACT.

I have no doubt that there is bias going on here. My contention is that this bias as NO WORSE than that which goes on in the private sector.

If you wish to continue to be an anti black racist then continue to justify racism against blacks by the private sector but do NOT wail when blacks in the public sector retaliate.

I also have made note of your RACIST personal attack against me. This reveal lots in your little reptilian head. I am a loser because I am black. That is your thinking.

You are a loser because that's who and what you are. It has nothing to do with race. You use race as an excuse for your inadequacies. As I have said before, anyone who stands up for any ethnic group except Afro Guyanese is a racist. It that case, guilty as charged. I have never condoned or supported racism in any sector private or public but at the same time i do not support any sort of entitlement. My parents taught me to work for what I want not sit on my ass and find excuses. So continue with your nonsensical ranting and blaming. I feel sorry for you.

GTAngler
GTAngler posted:

 

anyone who stands up for any ethnic group except Afro Guyanese is a racist. It that case, guilty as charged.

Glad you admit it because you ALWAYS stand up for Indians, NEVER stand up for blacks and then you scream that those who do stand up for blacks are losers and racists.

Now its interesting that you accuse me of using race and yet your comments on this very forum queried the under representation of Indians. And it isn't the first time that you have done so either.

 Isn't that seeing it through the prism of race?  How come you decided that their "Indianness" explain their exclusion.

But carry on. Glad to see that you admit that you are a racist.

FM
GTAngler posted:
 

Does anyone know how this works or what the criteria were? Was there an open application process then selection? I spent a lot of time on WCD and in Essequibo. This is NOT an accurate ethnic representation.

And here he sees it through the prism of race.  Why not accept your own assessment of blacks and admit in this case that the Indians weren't qualified.  No you will not do so, but you definitely will when blacks complain about under representation.

You are so steeped in your Indo centricity that you don't even see this for what it is.

FM
GTAngler posted:
 Now if you really wanted to help the youths in an area AND wanted to be fair, would you not have made sure you reached out to all the schools or are you telling me that is an accurate depiction of the ethnic breakdown of youths in that region? .

Funny this.  You demand all of this outreach to attract Indians but if someone said that the same should be done to attract blacks in instances where there is under representation you scream that they are racist losers who can only see life through race.

You are definitely not using any criteria aside from ethnicity to assess this situation.  How do you know that the outreach wasn't done?

FM
caribny posted:
GTAngler posted:
 Now if you really wanted to help the youths in an area AND wanted to be fair, would you not have made sure you reached out to all the schools or are you telling me that is an accurate depiction of the ethnic breakdown of youths in that region? .

Funny this.  You demand all of this outreach to attract Indians but if someone said that the same should be done to attract blacks in instances where there is under representation you scream that they are racist losers who can only see life through race.

You are definitely not using any criteria aside from ethnicity to assess this situation.  How do you know that the outreach wasn't done?

As usual, you either have trouble understanding written English or just don't understand what you read. I never said whether or not an outreach was done. I asked what the process and criteria were.

GTAngler
GTAngler posted:
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As usual, you either have trouble understanding written English or just don't understand what you read. I never said whether or not an outreach was done. I asked what the process and criteria were.

The process was like that of the private sector in Guyana.  You are concerned only when the ethnic imbalance gives the appearance of Indian exclusion.

And yes I understand you fully well and read your hypocrisy and racial issues in Guyana loudly.  If this group were mainly Indians you would be screaming that the blacks weren't good enough which is why they weren't included.  This is your response when I query the under representation of blacks as managers/professionals in Indo owned corporations in Guyana. 

I was told by someone, who raises millions of dollars of financing OUTSIDE of Guyana, that he cannot do the same within Guyana.  This even though the banks are liquid and unable to find lending opportunities. He is a black man.  You will claim that he is unqualified though white people seem to think differently.

FM
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caribny posted:
GTAngler posted:
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As usual, you either have trouble understanding written English or just don't understand what you read. I never said whether or not an outreach was done. I asked what the process and criteria were.

The process was like that of the private sector in Guyana.  You are concerned only when the ethnic imbalance gives the appearance of Indian exclusion.

And yes I understand you fully well and read your hypocrisy and racial issues in Guyana loudly.  If this group were mainly Indians you would be screaming that the blacks weren't good enough which is why they weren't included.  This is your response when I query the under representation of blacks as managers/professionals in Indo owned corporations in Guyana. 

I was told by someone, who raises millions of dollars of financing OUTSIDE of Guyana, that he cannot do the same within Guyana.  This even though the banks are liquid and unable to find lending opportunities. He is a black man.  You will claim that he is unqualified though white people seem to think differently.

Your issue is the fact that someone pointed out the blatant racism. You kept your racist mouth shut because the bias was to your liking. Has it been the other way around you would have been screaming coolie pick them own. I do NOT believe in any kind of affirmative action. Show me where I said blacks weren't good enough be managers etc. I said nothing is owed to anyone, work for what you want, don't expect anything out of appeasement and the most qualified person should get the job. I understand that affirmative action has served you well so continue with your racist rants and blaming the coolie man for your plight because it's all you are capable of. 

GTAngler

the dancin race bacoos notwithstanding . . . these are the FACTS:

people needed to VOLUNTEER to participate in these workshops

THERE IS NO MONETARY OR OTHER AWARD; only the passion to better oneself

it is telling that REO Jaikarran has to offer "prizes" to participants with good attendance

i asked a question earlier [still unanswered] . . . is there ANY evidence that Indo-Guyanese applicants from the region were turned away?

pick sense from nonsense

FM
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caribny posted:
GTAngler posted:
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As usual, you either have trouble understanding written English or just don't understand what you read. I never said whether or not an outreach was done. I asked what the process and criteria were.

The process was like that of the private sector in Guyana.  You are concerned only when the ethnic imbalance gives the appearance of Indian exclusion.

And yes I understand you fully well and read your hypocrisy and racial issues in Guyana loudly.  If this group were mainly Indians you would be screaming that the blacks weren't good enough which is why they weren't included.  This is your response when I query the under representation of blacks as managers/professionals in Indo owned corporations in Guyana. 

I was told by someone, who raises millions of dollars of financing OUTSIDE of Guyana, that he cannot do the same within Guyana.  This even though the banks are liquid and unable to find lending opportunities. He is a black man.  You will claim that he is unqualified though white people seem to think differently.

Hey hey hey...yuh black bai KKK dem in PNC blamin dem Indo foh Globetrust...dem bais seh dem going foh shut down dem "coolie" banks...hey hey hey...let dem shut dem down na...Congress Place go ge out de money...hey hey hey...

FM
Labba posted:
caribny posted:

black bai KKK dem in PNC blamin dem Indo foh Globetrust...dem bais seh dem going foh shut down dem "coolie" banks...hey hey hey...let dem shut dem down na...Congress Place go ge out de money...hey hey hey...

malicious, racist nonsense from the undercover ecanamist rodent 

which "coolie" banks "dem bais seh"  dem going to shut down?

. . . noting that Globe Trust was not a bank

prancing klowns like you gat bile more than belly

FM
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ronan posted:
Labba posted:
caribny posted:

black bai KKK dem in PNC blamin dem Indo foh Globetrust...dem bais seh dem going foh shut down dem "coolie" banks...hey hey hey...let dem shut dem down na...Congress Place go ge out de money...hey hey hey...

malicious, racist nonsense from the undercover ecanamist rodent 

which "coolie" banks "dem bais seh"  dem going to shut down?

. . . noting that Globe Trust was not a bank

prancing klowns like you gat bile more than belly

Hey hey hey...does is de word in some PNC quarter...hey hey hey...follow close...hey hey hey...

FM
Labba posted:
ronan posted:
Labba posted:
caribny posted:

black bai KKK dem in PNC blamin dem Indo foh Globetrust...dem bais seh dem going foh shut down dem "coolie" banks...hey hey hey...let dem shut dem down na...Congress Place go ge out de money...hey hey hey...

malicious, racist nonsense from the undercover ecanamist rodent 

which "coolie" banks "dem bais seh"  dem going to shut down?

. . . noting that Globe Trust was not a bank

prancing klowns like you gat bile more than belly

Hey hey hey...does is de word in some PNC quarter...hey hey hey...follow close...hey hey hey...

playing STUPID is not a response

it's an act of cowardice

FM
ronan posted:
Labba posted:
ronan posted:
Labba posted:
caribny posted:

black bai KKK dem in PNC blamin dem Indo foh Globetrust...dem bais seh dem going foh shut down dem "coolie" banks...hey hey hey...let dem shut dem down na...Congress Place go ge out de money...hey hey hey...

malicious, racist nonsense from the undercover ecanamist rodent 

which "coolie" banks "dem bais seh"  dem going to shut down?

. . . noting that Globe Trust was not a bank

prancing klowns like you gat bile more than belly

Hey hey hey...does is de word in some PNC quarter...hey hey hey...follow close...hey hey hey...

playing STUPID is not a response

it's an act of cowardice

Hey hey hey...like yuh doan follow de news like dat guana who puff up he mout. Hey hey hey...

FM
GTAngler posted:
. I do NOT believe in any kind of affirmative action.

Good so if only blacks are selected and no Indians you will not be whining about demographics.   If you don't care when blacks are not selected then why should you care when Indians are ignored?  According to you all is fair in Guyana and there aren't any ethnic biases which are used to favor some and ignore others.

Even your wail about not liking affirmative action is a back hand insult to black Guyanese.  Did I ask for affirmative action within the private sector for professional and management jobs?  In your reptilian brain blacks can only obtain consideration for these jobs if there is a special program.

So you don't need to explicitly state that blacks aren't capable.  The mere fact that you imply that some sort of affirmative action is needed shows your thoughts loud and clear.

Its just amazing how implicit bias can reside in someone's head and they deny it.  Now rejoice with your new IndoKKK friends who seem to rejoice in your comments.

 

 

FM
caribny posted:
GTAngler posted:
. I do NOT believe in any kind of affirmative action.

Good so if only blacks are selected and no Indians you will not be whining about demographics.   If you don't care when blacks are not selected then why should you care when Indians are ignored?  According to you all is fair in Guyana and there aren't any ethnic biases which are used to favor some and ignore others.

Even your wail about not liking affirmative action is a back hand insult to black Guyanese.  Did I ask for affirmative action within the private sector for professional and management jobs?  In your reptilian brain blacks can only obtain consideration for these jobs if there is a special program.

So you don't need to explicitly state that blacks aren't capable.  The mere fact that you imply that some sort of affirmative action is needed shows your thoughts loud and clear.

Its just amazing how implicit bias can reside in someone's head and they deny it.  Now rejoice with your new IndoKKK friends who seem to rejoice in your comments.

 

 

Keep whining and complaining. You first complained that even now in 2018 most of the business were owned by indo Guyanese. When I asked what prevented afro Guyanese from owning business you abandoned that argument and went to indos should hire more blacks. Then you started ranting about Haitains etc. and New York. You babble more than a rocky brook. My point about what started this "discussion" is, you cannot tell me that in an area that is predominantly Indo Guyanese, you found 29 Afro Guyanese all better qualified. That's like going to Linden and selected 29 Indos. Try to use your brain. And yes, had it been the other way around, I would have made the same comment. Try reading more and whining less.

GTAngler
GTAngler posted:
 

Keep whining and complaining. You first complained that even now in 2018 most of the business were owned by indo Guyanese. When I asked what prevented afro Guyanese from owning business you abandoned that argument and went to indos should hire more blacks. Then you started ranting about Haitains etc. and New York. You babble more than a rocky brook. My point about what started this "discussion" is, you cannot tell me that in an area that is predominantly Indo Guyanese, you found 29 Afro Guyanese all better qualified. That's like going to Linden and selected 29 Indos. Try to use your brain. And yes, had it been the other way around, I would have made the same comment. Try reading more and whining less.

Shouldn't a business owner not hire the best person available?

Do you also think that blacks do not merit beinbg considered.

The ethnic ownership of a business is immaterial if their hiring practices are fair.

And please stop making yourself look foolish.  The majority of the non family business in Guyana are in G/T or have substantial G/T operations.

Is G/T an "Indo" area?

FM
caribny posted:
 

Even in 2018 the private sector is mainly Indian owned and is unashamedly biased in its racist treatment of blacks.  You say NOTHING on this!

And where is the complaint that the private sector is mainly Indo?  Any "fair and reasonable" person would see that the complaint is about its racist treatment of blacks.  It is NOT about the ethnic composition of private sector ownership.

I suggest to you that you really have a fair and balanced debate because of now in 2018 the blacks/mixed think that they "own" the public sector, and Indians definitely dominate the private sector.  So each group thinks that they have the power to favor their own and exclude others.

I can assure that neither group can afford to think that they can ignore the ethnic inclusionary practices of their respective groups. We know full well that both groups are guilty. but you wish to focus your attention ONLY when Indians are excluded.

And if an area's ethnic demographics determines whose is hired then at least 60% of the professionals/managers in G/T would be black. So the notion that this explains hiring is silly and easily refuted.

You will note that at no point in this did I suggest that there wasn't the possibility of some level of ethnic exclusion.  My issue is when we only discuss it when it happens in the public sector and then adapt the attitude that Indo KKK attitudes can exist in some corporations without having repercussion on the country at large.

FM
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caribny posted:
caribny posted:
 

Even in 2018 the private sector is mainly Indian owned and is unashamedly biased in its racist treatment of blacks.  You say NOTHING on this!

And where is the complaint that the private sector is mainly Indo?  Any "fair and reasonable" person would see that the complaint is about its racist treatment of blacks.  It is NOT about the ethnic composition of private sector ownership.

I suggest to you that you really have a fair and balanced debate because of now in 2018 the blacks/mixed think that they "own" the public sector, and Indians definitely dominate the private sector.  So each group thinks that they have the power to favor their own and exclude others.

And if an area's ethnic demographics determines whose is hired then at least 60% of the professionals/managers in G/T would be black. So the notion that this explains hiring is silly and easily refuted.

Are you senile, pretentiously ignorant or just plain stupid? I never said demographics should dictate who gets hired or placed in managerial positions. Not believing in affirmative action means in its proper non biased sense, the best man gets the job or position. Now, I said,  that particular group, from that area, is not an accurate representation ethnically. Prove to me that the selection was fair and I'll admit I was wrong. 

GTAngler
caribny posted:
caribny posted:
 

Even in 2018 the private sector is mainly Indian owned and is unashamedly biased in its racist treatment of blacks.  You say NOTHING on this!

And where is the complaint that the private sector is mainly Indo?  Any "fair and reasonable" person would see that the complaint is about its racist treatment of blacks.  It is NOT about the ethnic composition of private sector ownership.

I suggest to you that you really have a fair and balanced debate because of now in 2018 the blacks/mixed think that they "own" the public sector, and Indians definitely dominate the private sector.  So each group thinks that they have the power to favor their own and exclude others.

I can assure that neither group can afford to think that they can ignore the ethnic inclusionary practices of their respective groups. We know full well that both groups are guilty. but you wish to focus your attention ONLY when Indians are excluded.

And if an area's ethnic demographics determines whose is hired then at least 60% of the professionals/managers in G/T would be black. So the notion that this explains hiring is silly and easily refuted.

You will note that at no point in this did I suggest that there wasn't the possibility of some level of ethnic exclusion.  My issue is when we only discuss it when it happens in the public sector and then adapt the attitude that Indo KKK attitudes can exist in some corporations without having repercussion on the country at large.

Nice back treading.....

GTAngler
GTAngler posted:
" is, you cannot tell me that in an area that is predominantly Indo Guyanese, you found 29 Afro Guyanese all better qualified. That's like going to Linden and selected 29 Indos.

I think that you are senile.  Just wrote it a few minutes ago.  Its fine if dementia is your issue.

Most private sector management/professional jobs are in G/T which is NOT an Indian area, so I don't know why you cite this argument without thinking that you look silly.

FM
GTAngler posted:
caribny posted:
caribny posted:
 

Even in 2018 the private sector is mainly Indian owned and is unashamedly biased in its racist treatment of blacks.  You say NOTHING on this!

And where is the complaint that the private sector is mainly Indo?  Any "fair and reasonable" person would see that the complaint is about its racist treatment of blacks.  It is NOT about the ethnic composition of private sector ownership.

I suggest to you that you really have a fair and balanced debate because of now in 2018 the blacks/mixed think that they "own" the public sector, and Indians definitely dominate the private sector.  So each group thinks that they have the power to favor their own and exclude others.

I can assure that neither group can afford to think that they can ignore the ethnic inclusionary practices of their respective groups. We know full well that both groups are guilty. but you wish to focus your attention ONLY when Indians are excluded.

And if an area's ethnic demographics determines whose is hired then at least 60% of the professionals/managers in G/T would be black. So the notion that this explains hiring is silly and easily refuted.

You will note that at no point in this did I suggest that there wasn't the possibility of some level of ethnic exclusion.  My issue is when we only discuss it when it happens in the public sector and then adapt the attitude that Indo KKK attitudes can exist in some corporations without having repercussion on the country at large.

Nice back treading.....

I cited my original quote.  YOU are trying to HIDE Indo racism by MISREPRESENTING it.

Go try that trick with low caliber people like Nehru.

It is a FACT that in Guyana the private sector in 2018 is now Indo dominated. 

It is a FACT that a majority black public sector now controlled by a majority black party is now black dominated.

What is NOT acceptable is that such dominance is used to exclude anyone. Either by the Indo dominated private sector or the Afro dominated public sector.

Now resume your implied screams that Indians can exclude blacks but shouldn't be excluded by blacks.  I have not seen any where from you that exclusion is wrong regardless of who is responsible for this and the practices of BOTH the public and private sectors ought to have been examined.

FM
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caribny posted:
GTAngler posted:
" is, you cannot tell me that in an area that is predominantly Indo Guyanese, you found 29 Afro Guyanese all better qualified. That's like going to Linden and selected 29 Indos.

I think that you are senile.  Just wrote it a few minutes ago.  Its fine if dementia is your issue.

Most private sector management/professional jobs are in G/T which is NOT an Indian area, so I don't know why you cite this argument without thinking that you look silly.

Because you moron we are not speaking about GT. I was not aware of anything you wrote when I made my post.

GTAngler
GTAngler posted:
 

Because you moron we are not speaking about GT. I was not aware of anything you wrote when I made my post.

We are speaking about GT because we are speaking about ethnic bias in Guyana.  Ethnic bias is not limited to this region.  Nor is it limited to the public sector.  And the private sector can no more be allowed to perpetuate ethnic bias than can the public sector.

YOU want to limit the discussion to ethnic bias by the public sector because YOU do not wish to discuss ethnic bias in the private sector. 

There are businesses in GT where similar bias exists and where job applicants were told during the PPP era "Is not Burnham time now" while the employer stroke his hand through his hair, conveying exactly what he meant.

So when you are ready to discuss employer based ethnic bias in the private sector then you can discuss similar bias in the public sector.  If you do not wish to discuss private sector bias then you are NOT qualified to discuss that which exists in the public sector.

FM
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