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Nehru posted:

I agree KP BUT what is good for the goose is also good for the gander.

That is why I say ,once you are in Politics there must be FULL disclosure and transparency. A country with less than 700,000 people what is there to hide. Look I know of two people who exploited the system and built/thief huge wealth such large houses over looking the Atlantic Ocean with swimming Pool also owned Palm Court and other businesses in and out of Guyana. with the salary as documented it would take the average person their entire life to get. Their assets out weighed their accumulated life salary. Infran Ali and Mannieram Prashad , two dunces that were tight with Jagdeo, one was boyfriend and the other wes something??? They milked the cow dry.

K
GTAngler posted:

Didn't you just say that you reply when you see ignorant answers yet the first name that came to your head is Bibi even though she hasn't joined this thread? You've just proved that it is something personal. For the record, I don't know who Bibi is or if it's a he or she. Apparently she/he does know me though.

She always proudly says that she visits Jagdeo, obviously she knows a lot, only stands to reason she has the answer, but I will wait for her reply, which she will.

cain
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Django posted:

Lisaveta Ramotar arrested

March 7, 2017 Source

Lisaveta Ramotar has been detained by the Special Organised Crime Unit (SOCU) in connection with the ongoing probe into the Pradoville 2 housing scheme, sources say.

Ramotar, the daughter of former President Donald Ramotar, has been taken to the SOCU office. Sources say arrests of other persons in this probe are imminent.

I SAY...LET THE CHIPS FALL WHERE THEY FALL..THE GUILTY SHALL PAY FOR STEALING FROM THE POOR. I am reminded of this every time I see the mansions in Pradoville

The problem is that those in power who are upholding the law were also engaged in transgressions...remember there were 28 years, not just the Jagdeo/Ramotar years...this in itself is what makes this political...in the eyes of Indians this government is seen as racists and going after Indian leaders.

Guyana needs a comprehensive plan to cast a wider net ...SOCU needs to go back to 1968.

 

V

BREAKING: Luncheon arrested

Former Head of the Presidential Secretariat under the Peoples Progressive Party/ Civic (PPP/C) administration, Dr Roger Luncheon, was moments ago arrested by agents of the Special Organised Crime Unit (SOCU).

INews understands that Luncheon was arrested on the grounds that he allegedly acquired a house lot in Pradoville 2 by fraudulent means.

He was taken away from the Opposition Leader’s Office in the company of his attorney, Anil Nandlall to the SOCU headquarters in Camp Street, Georgetown.

Former President and Leader of the Opposition, Dr Bharrat Jagdeo told media operatives that this is yet another attempt of the APNU/AFC Government to target members of the PPP/C as a method to instill fear in them for speaking out. (Story and photo by Ramona Luthi) 
FM

If they can't show proof that they acquired the properties at Pradoville through legal means ,then they must pay the price, but like Nehru says ,they must also investigate not only along party lines but all politicians on both sides of the aisle .Who will investigate the Daylight Robbery of PNC 50% taking and Moses 23 vehicles.

K

Dr. Jagdeo was escorted to COCU for questioning. He was NOT arrested. This negro is worst than Burnham. He will arrest every coolies from the PPP like Burnham did to Jagan's family and PPP members during this time. Granger's hope is to done away with his opposition for 2020 election, even though they are the biggest thieves in Guyana. 

FM
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Prince posted:

Dr. Jagdeo was escorted to COCU for questioning. He was NOT arrested. This negro is worst than Burnham. He will arrest every coolies from the PPP like Burnham did to Jagan's family and PPP members during this time. Granger's hope is to done away with his opposition for 2020 election, even though they are the biggest thieves in Guyana. 

 

FM
Prashad posted:

Lisaveta is persecuted politically by this anti-koolie racist squad. These racist beasts have no shame. It is all about Africans ruled by their own people.

ohhh shut up! While PPP were in govt what races held positions? Give that some thought. Now, should the law go after.Chinese..Portuguese...Amerinds? If they were involved I say yes...but if it was mostly those of East Indian heritage who profitted from corrupt means who do you think should be charged?

cain

Jagdeo, Luncheon arrested in Pradoville 2 probe

-Robert Persaud to also be charged.

Source

Former President Bharrat Jagdeo and former Head of the Presidential Secretariat, Dr Roger Luncheon were this afternoon arrested in connection with the Pradoville 2 probe.

Earlier, Lisaveta Ramotar had been detained by the Special Organised Crime Unit (SOCU) in connection with the ongoing probe into the Pradoville 2 housing scheme. Ramotar, the daughter of former President Donald Ramotar, has been taken to the SOCU office.

SOCU officials and Police later went to the Office of the Leader of the Opposition, Bharrat Jagdeo. There they arrested Dr Luncheon. He was then taken to the SOCU office. Jagdeo later went to the SOCU office on Camp Road along with Nandlall. He was placed under arrest at the SOCU office.

SOCU sources say charges will be laid against the three plus former Minister of Natural Resources, Robert Persaud among others.

The special investigation of the Sparendaam Housing Project, better known as Pradoville 2, which was part of a larger probe of the financial operations of the Central Housing and Planning Authority (CHPA), was conducted by accounting firm Ram & McRae, which found that awardees grossly underpaid for the lots by a total of nearly $250 million, while the state-owned National Industrial and Commercial Investments Limited (NICIL), National Communications Network (NCN) and Guyana Power and Light Inc (GPL) were never reimbursed for millions spent to execute preparatory works.

“Our examination leads to the conclusion that the project was done outside of the established procedures and that Minister Ally [sic] piloted every aspect of the transaction without recourse to the Authority. While the minister has considerable powers under the Housing Act, his role in the issue of titles was well outside of his functions and powers,” the report, seen by this newspaper, said.

Former President Bharrat Jagdeo (left) at his office on Church Street shortly before he left for the SOCU office where he was placed under arrest.

Former Head of the Presidential Secretariat, Dr Roger Luncheon on his way to the SOCU headquarters. Attorney Anil Nandlall is at right. (Keno George photo)

Django
Prashad posted:

Lisaveta is persecuted politically by this anti-koolie racist squad. These racist beasts have no shame. It is all about Africans ruled by their own people.

ohhh shut up! While PPP were in govt what races held positions? Give that some thought. Now, should the law go after.Chinese..Portuguese...Amerinds? If they were involved I say yes...but if it was mostly those of East Indian heritage who profitted from corrupt means who do you think should be charged?

cain
Prashad posted:

That anti-koolie Jranger worst than Burnham. If the police had arrested Ralph, he brother, Joey and he sister then that police would have had a visit from Burnham ordering their release. Not so with this Jranger.

Why the Guyanese politicians should get preferential treatment?? and not answer for wrong doings.

In the ole USA no mercy they are hauled in.

Django
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Prince posted:

Dr. Jagdeo was escorted to COCU for questioning. He was NOT arrested. This negro is worst than Burnham. He will arrest every coolies from the PPP like Burnham did to Jagan's family and PPP members during this time. Granger's hope is to done away with his opposition for 2020 election, even though they are the biggest thieves in Guyana. 

In Jagdeo own words own words after he was releases  "Yes i was arrested"

Pointblank

They are trying to divert attention away from the controversial parking meter scandal which triggered daily protest against the government.  While they are busily stealing in government they are pretending to be saints by bringing charges of corruption against their political adversaries. The recent $250 million contract to rehabilitate the Kitty Market cost no more than $40 million for materials and labor.  Just think about an additional $200 million added on.  

This move by the PNC will galvanize more opposition to the government.  The PNC is acting carefree thinking that they don't need votes from the AFC or any other group since they will resurrect the Burnham magic to keep themselves in power way beyond 2020.  This will not happen.  People have gotten accustomed to freedom and economic growth and they will demand that the PNC leave government by the ballot. International pressure will be brought on this regime if continues to act in this high-handed fashion.

Billy Ram Balgobin
GTAngler posted:

The damned Brits are the ones ultimately responsible in the first place. Who do you think sowed the seeds of dissent and mistrust b, so they began the etween groups?

The British who were responsible were 19th century planters. In the 1840s there were two strikes by the formers slaves who demanded higher wages and better working conditions.  The first strike was highly successful and the planters had to concede. 

They then decided that their best chance was to have an employment force which they could divide and rule.  They then decided to start the indenture system and to bring in West Indian workers (mainly Bajans).  The second strike failed as the immigrants didn't participate.

The largest group if indentures were Indians. By the 1880 the bulk of the estate workers were Indians, and they too had begun to strike for better wages and working conditions. The planters had by then succeeded in ensuring that the villages established by the former slaves had failed. They flooded them out and over taxed the villagers, and also prevented the villagers from acquiring more lands, and charged them heavily for lands that they rented to them.

So they used the black villagers and Bajan workers as scab to undermine the indentured workers.

I hope you will see how silly you are by claiming that the British of today care one white for what British planters did over 100 years ago.

We can only hope that the forensic and other assistance that the UK and the USA are providing will be put to good use, and not used in a witch hunt.  If it is the latter the APNU AFC gov't will lose in court and look even sillier than they currently are.

FM
Django posted:

Jagdeo, Luncheon arrested in Pradoville 2 probe

-Robert Persaud to also be charged.

Source

Former President Bharrat Jagdeo and former Head of the Presidential Secretariat, Dr Roger Luncheon were this afternoon arrested in connection with the Pradoville 2 probe.

Earlier, Lisaveta Ramotar had been detained by the Special Organised Crime Unit (SOCU) in connection with the ongoing probe into the Pradoville 2 housing scheme. Ramotar, the daughter of former President Donald Ramotar, has been taken to the SOCU office.

SOCU officials and Police later went to the Office of the Leader of the Opposition, Bharrat Jagdeo. There they arrested Dr Luncheon. He was then taken to the SOCU office. Jagdeo later went to the SOCU office on Camp Road along with Nandlall. He was placed under arrest at the SOCU office.

SOCU sources say charges will be laid against the three plus former Minister of Natural Resources, Robert Persaud among others.

The special investigation of the Sparendaam Housing Project, better known as Pradoville 2, which was part of a larger probe of the financial operations of the Central Housing and Planning Authority (CHPA), was conducted by accounting firm Ram & McRae, which found that awardees grossly underpaid for the lots by a total of nearly $250 million, while the state-owned National Industrial and Commercial Investments Limited (NICIL), National Communications Network (NCN) and Guyana Power and Light Inc (GPL) were never reimbursed for millions spent to execute preparatory works.

“Our examination leads to the conclusion that the project was done outside of the established procedures and that Minister Ally [sic] piloted every aspect of the transaction without recourse to the Authority. While the minister has considerable powers under the Housing Act, his role in the issue of titles was well outside of his functions and powers,” the report, seen by this newspaper, said.

Former President Bharrat Jagdeo (left) at his office on Church Street shortly before he left for the SOCU office where he was placed under arrest.

Former Head of the Presidential Secretariat, Dr Roger Luncheon on his way to the SOCU headquarters. Attorney Anil Nandlall is at right. (Keno George photo)

Looks like a mafia godfather heading to court. The man got class.

Prashad
Pointblank posted:
Prince posted:

Dr. Jagdeo was escorted to COCU for questioning. He was NOT arrested. This negro is worst than Burnham. He will arrest every coolies from the PPP like Burnham did to Jagan's family and PPP members during this time. Granger's hope is to done away with his opposition for 2020 election, even though they are the biggest thieves in Guyana. 

In Jagdeo own words own words after he was releases  "Yes i was arrested"

You are excused for not knowing the difference of being in handcuffs and let's take a walk to socu office. This will give your favorite monkey some mileage and exposure for his economic disaster for the past two years. What more you want to teach the uneducated coolies?

FM
Cobra posted:
Pointblank posted:
Prince posted:

Dr. Jagdeo was escorted to COCU for questioning. He was NOT arrested. This negro is worst than Burnham. He will arrest every coolies from the PPP like Burnham did to Jagan's family and PPP members during this time. Granger's hope is to done away with his opposition for 2020 election, even though they are the biggest thieves in Guyana. 

In Jagdeo own words own words after he was releases  "Yes i was arrested"

You are excused for not knowing the difference of being in handcuffs and let's take a walk to socu office. This will give your favorite monkey some mileage and exposure for his economic disaster for the past two years. What more you want to teach the uneducated coolies?

hen asked by reporters after he as released if he wa arrested BJ said "Yes i was arrested"

 dumb As$ tell uyou may not be aware but you dont have to be in handcuffs to be arrested

Pointblank

Jagdeo trying to hide behind Burnham's immunity provisions is a joke.  Presidents should be provided immunity for actions which they honestly believe were in the interest of the country and as such should be defended by the government/AG and not be held personally liable.  

Presidents  should not be able to hide behind actions that enrich themselves or cohorts because that is CORRUPTION. 

FM
VVP posted:
Nehru posted:

VVP, will not happen, the PNC is in your face Bias, intimidation and victimization. Dat is how they roll!!!

This action sets a precedent in Guyana for going after former presidents for allege illegal actions.  i think it is a good thing.

Exactly!  If they get away with it guess what? I say no more other than there will be acussin an aspittin when this govt does the same.

The people will yet again lose.

Well except for the few who follow Prashad to his lil rock in the middle of de ocean.

cain
VishMahabir posted:
VVP posted:

Let the chips fall where they may! However, charge everyone involved not just a selected few. Hopefully, the Sanata deal will be looked into also. Somewhere down the line the Bond deal will be looked into.

so why SOCU cant go back to 1968?

I never said the PNC will prosecute themselves.  They are scamps also.  How did they get the whole plot of land in Sophia for Congress place?  I agree that all thieving should be prosecuted, but someone else will have to prosecute the PNC.  The PPP was weak or maybe they thought they could thief like the PNC and get off with it.  Looks like "you did it too" will not work as a defense. 

FM
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RiffRaff posted:
VishMahabir posted:
VVP posted:

Let the chips fall where they may! However, charge everyone involved not just a selected few. Hopefully, the Sanata deal will be looked into also. Somewhere down the line the Bond deal will be looked into.

so why SOCU cant go back to 1968?

lots ah dem die out...

Investigate Joe Harmon? Let him show SOCU where he hid the $5mil(US). Arrest him and put him in handcuffs.

FM
skeldon_man posted:
RiffRaff posted:
VishMahabir posted:
VVP posted:

Let the chips fall where they may! However, charge everyone involved not just a selected few. Hopefully, the Sanata deal will be looked into also. Somewhere down the line the Bond deal will be looked into.

so why SOCU cant go back to 1968?

lots ah dem die out...

Investigate Joe Harmon? Let him show SOCU where he hid the $5mil(US). Arrest him and put him in handcuffs.

That they should. Also that slimy one that ran out the country with his tail between his legs Brazzy.

cain
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Government of Guyana Statement

Government of Cooperative Republic of Guyana statement on SOCU investigation

The Government of the Cooperative Republic of Guyana has been informed of the ongoing investigations by the Special Organized Crime Unit (SOCU). The Government has been informed that SOCU has conducted interviews with a number of agencies and individuals in relation to the ‘Pradoville 2’ Forensic Audit which was referred to the unit.

SOCU, the Government has been informed, has conducted interviews with the Department of Housing, the Central Housing and Planning Authority, National Industrial and Commercial Investments Limited (NICIL), the Betterhope/Sparendaam Neighbourhood Democratic Council, Guyana Power and Light, Guyana Water Inc, National Communications Network and various other agencies and individuals in an effort to, among other things, determine the market value of the Pradoville 2 complex. Interviews, the government has been informed, are ongoing.

The Government has further been informed that specific individuals were invited to the SOCU Office at Eve Leary for questioning during the course of this week and that some of the individuals complied while some did not. The Government has been specifically informed that in the case of two prominent former government officials – former President Bharrat Jagdeo and former Head of the Presidential Secretariat Dr. Roger Luncheon – they declined to visit the SOCU office for questioning and were arrested, questioned and subsequently released on their own recognizance.

The Government notes SOCU’s meticulous, fair and independent work in investigating this immensely serious matter relating to state assets and looks forward to a thorough and comprehensive investigation and for the law to take its course and justice to be served. The Government notes spurious allegations of political vendetta and harassment and dismisses same as SOCU is operating independently and without any interference or direction.

The Government reaffirms its stated position that the assets of the state belong to the people of Guyana and under no circumstances will it condone or overlook any action which resulted in the improper, illegal or unjust distribution of same.
-ENDS-

FM
VVP posted:
Drugb posted:

This is a dangerous precedence.  From the content of the article there appears to be no arrest warrant provided by any judge. Socu seems to be  endowed with authority that circumvents the court system.

So the police needs an arrest warrant before they could charge anyone?

Before they arrest these prominent citizens. Yes. Charging and arresting are two different things. 

FM

An arrest warrant is acquired in a court of law by presenting a judge with probable cause for arresting the suspect. ... Arrest warrants are most commonly required when a crime is committed out of view of a police officer. If a felony is committed in view of a police officer then an arrest can be made without a warrant.

FM
Drugb posted:
VVP posted:
Drugb posted:

This is a dangerous precedence.  From the content of the article there appears to be no arrest warrant provided by any judge. Socu seems to be  endowed with authority that circumvents the court system.

So the police needs an arrest warrant before they could charge anyone?

Before they arrest these prominent citizens. Yes. Charging and arresting are two different things. 

Their lawyers were there.  They didn't oppose the "arrest."

FM
VVP posted:
Drugb posted:
VVP posted:
Drugb posted:

This is a dangerous precedence.  From the content of the article there appears to be no arrest warrant provided by any judge. Socu seems to be  endowed with authority that circumvents the court system.

So the police needs an arrest warrant before they could charge anyone?

Before they arrest these prominent citizens. Yes. Charging and arresting are two different things. 

Their lawyers were there.  They didn't oppose the "arrest."

Maybe this is just Guyana's laws, that one can be arrested without a warrant. Or maybe they did have a warrant even thought it was not mentioned in the article. 

FM
kp posted:

Watch a difference a day makes. Yesterday was celebration for Ramayya  crossing the floor. Today PPP leaders are being arrested  now how attractive would it be for others on the Fence wanting to join a party headed by criminals. A sad day for Guyanese this is the convenient time for a third major political party. 

Already you became judge and jury. I would be interested to see the evidence and their rational in formulating these charges. Or whether this is just political grandstanding to take the focus away from the failing economy and parking meter scandal. 

FM
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Drugb posted:
kp posted:

Watch a difference a day makes. Yesterday was celebration for Ramayya  crossing the floor. Today PPP leaders are being arrested  now how attractive would it be for others on the Fence wanting to join a party headed by criminals. A sad day for Guyanese this is the convenient time for a third major political party. 

Already you became judge and jury. I would be interested to see the evidence and their rational in formulating these charges. Or whether this is just political grandstanding to take the focus away from the failing economy and parking meter scandal. 

The evidence are the massive structures at Pradoville  that you can see from the International space station .

K
Drugb posted:
kp posted:

Watch a difference a day makes. Yesterday was celebration for Ramayya  crossing the floor. Today PPP leaders are being arrested  now how attractive would it be for others on the Fence wanting to join a party headed by criminals. A sad day for Guyanese this is the convenient time for a third major political party. 

Already you became judge and jury. I would be interested to see the evidence and their rational in formulating these charges. Or whether this is just political grandstanding to take the focus away from the failing economy and parking meter scandal. 

It might be political grandstanding as you said, but the arrest was based on findings of the forensic audit. I don't think anybody will be going to jail on this; most likely they will have to pay the fair value of the property cost.  I think it will be very hard for them to prove that it was deliberate corruption.  If they do, many one fall guy will be jailed.

FM
Drugb posted:

This is a dangerous precedence.  From the content of the article there appears to be no arrest warrant provided by any judge. Socu seems to be  endowed with authority that circumvents the court system.

you ppp ass should be happy the government is cleaning up the ppp party now you guys can start with a clean slate  

FM

Jagdeo shelters under presidential immunity during SOCU interrogation about Pradoville 2

March 7, 2017 Source

Former President, Bharrat Jagdeo on Tuesday said he invoked presidential immunity when he was questioned by investigators of the Special Organised Crime Unit (SOCU) in connection with his acquisition of seaside house lots at Ogle-Sparendaam, East Coast Demerara (PradoVille 2) below market value.

“They asked me several questions relating to the Pradoville transaction and I made a short statement because they asked me questions in my official capacity and I have immunities on those and so I refused to answer those questions,” Jagdeo, who served as President from 1999 to 2011, told reporters shortly after spending less than two hours in custody.

Guyana’s constitutional provision on the immunity of current and former presidents states “The holder of the office of President shall not be personally answerable to any court for the performance of the
function of his or her office or for any act done in the performance of those functions and no proceedings whether criminal or civil, shall be instituted against him or her in his or her personal capacity in respect thereof either during his or her term of office or thereafter.”

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Django

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