The PPP will continue to think that victory comes from mobilizing the Indian vote.  They will continue to LOSE as the Indo vote shrinks.

So nothing has changed with how the PNC win and lose elections.

Can you post a copy of a ballot paper that showed the PNC as one of the parties on the ballot? If you can't even get that fact right, how can anyone take you serious?

Lots changed.  The PPP was forced by the ABC nations to have free and fair elections, and they too lost. 

I am really surprised at this fella. But, he helping me to understand how East Indians think-even though educated. 

dey always were a stupid bunch of people. 

To my credit, I am not seeking to have anyone, especially you take me seriously.

PPP was stupid to be Anti-US back in the Jagan days which caused them to be tossed from power in the 60's plunging the mainly Indian support base into the abyss.  PPP was even more stupid to maintain this anti-US stance after 1989 and into their rule after 1992.  The clumsiness and ineptness which they handled their relationship with the US is nothing short of political imbecility.  The PPP contributed greatly to their own demise, then and now.  The US will act in it's interest, and that is perfectly within their rights and what we here want.

But through it all, it's clear, it was some "strange happenings" which tossed the PPP out of power this time around, and the US was an actor in the "power-play".

"Strange happenings" like blacks showing up to vote when you and the rest of the PPP were stuck in your Indian this and Indian that mode and screaming that caribj is a racist because he reminds you otherwise.

I told you that the Indo vote, though by far the largest, is no longer a majority, and will shrink further as more of these multi racial Guyanese come of age. I told you how frustrated and angry black people were with Indo fascist rule.  Called me a racist for saying so.

Now you cry in your beer and imagine some CIA plot, rather than showing Guyana what your SoP say. Apparently the SoP are so inaccurate that the PPP are afraid to make it public!

Recently at work some folks were talking about the recent racial problem in Baltimore. This black girl said that it is hard to be a black person in America. She went on to say that they didn't want a black person in the white house but "too bad for them, we are there with our fried chicken and nobody can do anything about it". I told her that many whites must have voted for Obama and she responded that he won because the black people came out and voted for him. She said that she is never voting again because she already got what she wanted which is a black person in the white house.

That is how many black people vote. When Trotman headed the AFC in 2006, many of them supported the AFC but didn't do so when Ramjattan headed party in 2011. Conversely many Indians supported the traditional non-Indian party and yet many here like to label Indians as racists. Even Carib Beer's suggestion that the reason the PPP will not win again is because the Indian population is shrinking. He claims that the PPP runs a racist campaign. If this is why they lost, what explains why blacks supported the AFC in 2006 but not in 2011. Did the AFC action plan changed along with their presidential candidates during those two elections?

No one can dispute the facts but the Guyanese people will have to live with the Rigging/Mistake

really? . . . i guess all dem blackman in the US will go back to eating "fried chicken" and no longer voting now that Obama isn't running

u is wan typical PPP race ideologue whose toxic ideas about Black people is unbudged by long exposure to a civilizing environment

You didn't get that impression as to why blacks supported the AFC in 2006 but not in 2011? I am all ears, why did blacks support the AFC in 2006 but did not do so in 2011?

Yu do yourself no service by quoting some ignorant black female.  In fact Obama stays as far away from blacks as he possible can to avoid alienating non blacks.  He speaks no more on race issues than do white liberals.  He will be hard pressed to prove what blacks gained from his presidency that others didn't also benefit from.

Don't know what your rant is about.  Did I ever deny that blacks vote race in Guyana.  They certainly did in 2015 especially after the PPP launched a scream that "black man baad" and in bottom house meetings ranted about Indos being raped in Gtown in broad daylight if Granger wins.

Now your whining suggests that Indians don't also vote race, and that the PPP didn't campaign with the sole goal of mobilizing the Indian vote.

BTW Indians have NEVER voted for a non Indo.  In 2011 and now the few who didn't vote PPP voted for Nagamootoo.  They did NOT vote for Trotman in 2006. 

So what is your point?

Go find my posts from 2006 when I told them that they will lose the black vote if all their campaigning was in regions 5 and 6.  The AFC as a new party COULD NOT take any vote for granted.  Well they took the black vote for granted and only began to campaign in black areas when it was already too late.

Even Gerhard agreed with me, when the election results showed that I was right.  He admitted that their gamble of focusing all their energies in Berbice cost them in Demerara.

i am interested in your statements invidiously stereotyping black people as a race [see bold] . . . please address, thanks

i have zero interest in giving u a pass by addressing inapposite red herring 'questions'

I don't know where you see me whining or ranting bai.

About my point, why did many blacks supported the AFC in 2006 but not in 2011?

I adequately used the black voting pattern for the AFC in 2006 and 2011 to support that statement. Can you explain why that example is inappropriate?

When a party doesn't attempt to woo a block that block doesn't support it.  The AFC did no campaigning in Region 4, until the last minute, because Ramjattan was so determined to avoid humiliation as he suffered in 2006 when virtually all of the AFC votes came out of New Amsterdam.

Now do a search of me in 2006, warning the AFC that they would lose the black vote if they ignored it.  Yes I got called a racist and then was proven RIGHT.  You see some folks think that the only vote in Guyana which should be wooed is the Indian vote, then when they don't get the black vote they have all sorts of things to say.

i'll let u marinate lil in that . . . thanx!

Because recounting the vote wastes time and money and Guyanese all ready had wasted enough of this, given the inefficiencies of vote counting in Guyana.

If the PPP has proof that their SoP are correct and those presented by GECOM are wrong, then they need to make this public.  EVERY ONE connected to this election has said that it was free and fair, so the onus is on the PPP to prove that it wasn't.

Somehow this response seem to be all over the place.

Why is it all over the place?  The AFC DID NOT CAMPAIGN TO BLACKS IN 2011 so did NOT get their vote.  Now what is so shocking about that? 

The AFC were NOT entitled to get that vote and should have wooed that block if they wanted support from it.

So the AFC made a mistake in 2011?

In 2011, I chatted with an AFC Afro supporter/campaigner who said he was upset at some of his Afro friends.  They were refusing to vote AFC then but did so in 2006.  When he pressed them, they kept dodging and saying Ramjattan was a PPP.  He reminded them he was a "former" PPP, a deflector just like Trotman was with the PNC.  After pressing them for some time, one eventually broke and said, he ain't never voting for no c00lie.  Press Caribj, he tap-dance around referring back to Afos voting the Burnham/Jagan PPP in the 50s.

Mouth open, story jump out they say.  You can safely multiply that 200,000 times all over Guyana,

He always danced around that issue believing somehow by turning away your eyes, the issue don't exist.  I know someone close to his family for many years and they said his mother returned to Germany after her husband died as she was experiencing unbearable racism as an older White woman in Guyana.

That is EXACTLY what Gerhard said right here on GNI.  They got some black votes in 2006.  Ramjattan assumed that he could take those votes for granted, so ran off and established residence in regions 5 and 6. He didn't bother with Regions 4 and 10.

By the time they remembered G/town the voters had forgotten all about them and no one was showing up to their meetings.

Basemen let me refresh you.  When I pointed out that AFC was neglecting the black vote, YOU accused me of being a PPP soup drinker trying to cause mischief for the AFC.

You then cite some AFC stooge and thinks that blacks should flock to the AFC because of AFC magic, even as the AFC IGNORED THEM.  Well why didn't Indians flock to the AFC in 2006?

Now tell us why Moses didn't get the Indian vote in 2015 when tens of thousands who had stopped voting, came out to vote AGAINST him.  Now he is left with being unable to prove that he has a support base.

Not sure what you saying, but if not for Nagamootoo pull, PPP would have formed the Govt.

hmmm.  Nagamootoo helped the PPP increase its votes by 30k from its PPP strongholds, and increase its margins over APNU AFC by around 14k.  That is the excess of PPP votes over APNU AFC votes INCREASED by an additional 14,000 in Essequibo, West Dem and Berbice.  This means that Moses made NO inroads into this bloc and in fact LOST GROUND.

Moses didn't bring in much, and this is reflected by how even the AFC is treating him.  How many of the AFC cabinet members owe special allegiance to Moses?

"why didn't Indians flock to the AFC in 2006?"That's a no brainer, the same reason blacks didn't flock the AFC in 2011...

Except that Indians were targeted in 2006 as were blacks.

In 2011 only Region 5 and 6 were targeted.  AFC arrogantly thought that they had Region 4 under control.

Really don't know why folks think that they can get votes from people f they don't attempt to woo them.  The AFC didn't bother with the black vote, until it was too late and I had exchanges with Gerhard right here on GNI on this very subject.  I warned them that by ignoring the black vote they would lose it, and lose it they did.

Caribj, the strategic thinker you are, it's pretty obvious, your sudden talk from the next side of your mouth about Nagamootoo's role in the Opposition victory is a "stage setter" with an eye on 2020.  When the [PNC] decide to go it alone (GDF in background) and, toss off the AFC and actually "win", (your style), you will point back to 2015 saying "I told you Nagamootoo had no impact" on the "PNC/AFC" support.

You have your rant about the GDF so don't bring me into it.  The GDF will serve which ever party is in power.

FACT.  Moses generated more votes for the PPP than he did for APNU AFC.  he is now walking in with a diminished position.  All I need to do is to look and see who the AFC cabinet members are.   I assume that all will also be MPs, so there are only 4 additional slots available to the AFC.  It will be interesting to see it any will be Moses loyalists.

As to the future of the AFC and of Moses' faction with it who knows.  What I do know is that the PPP has as much to worry about the emerging mixed vote as the APNU has to worry about the Indian vote.  Also understand that the PPPs 18k interior votes mightn't be there next time. 

Amerindians have no reason to be loyal to the PPP if the APNU AFC treat them reasonably.  Garrido Lowe and Allicock (I think that Norton is also visibly Amerindian, even if just partly) might carry more juice with them.  So the PPP cannot count on them.

Back out the Amerindian vote and I don't think that in 2020 the PPP will enjoy much of an advantage, unless APNU AFC messes up big time.

dude, why are you so bitter and divisive?

what are u trying to do with your sullenness, your vitriol against Indians in the AFC?

are u now in the business of bifurcating Guyana once again and giving the PPP criminals a leg up on the way back to power?

smfh

PPP fires back at Diplomats over elections credibility; urges them not to intrude

May 24, 2015 3:02 pm Category: latest news A+ / A-

GECOM and representatives from the ABC countries during the meeting

[www.inewsguyana.com] –

 

The People’s Progressive Party (PPP) has responded to a statement attributed to members of the diplomatic corps over the results of the recently concluded 2015 General and Regional Elections in Guyana.

While the PPP over the past weeks has maintained that the elections were rigged, the ABC countries (ABC) through their local envoys have restated their position that the 2015 national polls were free and credible.

In a recent statement, US Charge D Affaires Bryan Hunt said “in the final analysis, international observer missions found the polling, counting, verification, and tabulation processes to be free, fair, and credible. The final results of the election accurately reflected the votes cast by the Guyanese people.  All political parties should respect the outcome of the democratic process”

But the PPP in a statement on Sunday, May 24 said it “finds this statement unhelpful and at cross-purposes with all the declarations and demands made by the Party ever since Gecom declared the final results of the May 11th 2015 General and Regional elections.”

According to the main Opposition Party, it is neither interested nor desirous of being on a collision course with the US or any other diplomatic mission resident in Guyana, stating there should not be any intrusion by the diplomats in this matter.

“The PPP is urging an end to the persistent diplomatic intrusions into the highly sensitive and emotive matter pertaining to the results of the just concluded general and regional elections which will eventually find its way to the Court in the search for a just and satisfactory ruling .”                        

The Party affirmed that the members and supporters of the PPP/C who voted with confidence and optimism for another PPP/C victory at the polls demand that their votes be respected, safeguarded and re-counted.

“They remain convinced that they were cheated at the polls. The Party maintains that the Foreign Observers while having done their level best at simply observing the voting process at the polling places to ensure that voting was free and fair failed, due to their limited mandate, to play any part whatsoever in the tabulation and verification of the votes cast in favour of each contesting party,” the press release pointed out.

The PPP said that the absence of the observers at the tabulation was a major flaw in the observation undertaking by the international observers. It is not usual to see such flaws dismissed as not having any significant impact on the results of the elections.

“The PPP rejects this notion as an international bad practice. The PPP and the ABC countries represented through their diplomatic representatives in Guyana have enjoyed friendly and cordial relations over the years,” the release stated.

Just to point out that I am not a supporter of the PPP/C: was one of their harshest critics, still am,  but also a  presenter of what was written in the dailies: