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Elections rigging, restored democracy and the Constitution


 

DEAR EDITOR,

Ever since President David Granger, at his seventh meeting with Opposition Leader Bharrat Jagdeo to discuss the naming of a Chairman of GECOM, announced that he had chosen Justice Patterson, the PPP has raised fears of electoral rigging. How ironic.
I recall it was the PPP’s Dr. Cheddi Jagan who in 1962 was the first to introduce rigging at the PPP Congress, where he padded the electoral list with one hundred WPO members in order to prevent Hindu intellectual Balwant Singh Rai from becoming Chairman of the PPP.
Dr. Jagan would experience electoral Karma when, due to his obsession with the Soviet Union and world communism, the USA decided that he must not be allowed to take power in Guyana, and the means to do so was by electoral fraud to deny his Marxist Leninist PPP victory at the polls during the era of the Cold War.
Numerous Hindu intellectuals had urged Dr. Jagan to change his ideology, cease supporting the USSR against the USA, and to embrace capitalism and the USA, but he placed the interest of the Soviet Union and Communism above that of his supporters, and so he was locked out of power at the expense of his supporters.
Further, although he would cry rigged elections during the 1970’s and 1980’s, Cheddi Jagan would in 1975 declare support for Burnham’s PNC, call for other parties to join the PNC in a National Front in 1977, call for a National Patriotic Front Gov’t with the PNC in 1978, and in the early 1980’s, entered into power sharing talks with Burnham’s PNC, aimed at creating a one-party socialist dictatorship that would have ended the need for “free and fair elections.”
Unfortunately for Dr. Jagan, his best friend and student Burnham died in 1985 and the PNC’s new leader Desmond Hoyte said enough of the socialist nonsense and ended the power sharing talks between PPP and PNC.
Desmond Hoyte proved to be a transformative leader who put the interest of Guyana above that of party and ethnic loyalties. He went about dismantling the semi-socialist state of the Jagan/Burnham experiment, depoliticizing the civil service and security forces, restoring fully the freedom of the press and the right to protest. He also began the process of free and fair elections.
Dr. Jagan’s communist world order came crashing down in 1990 with the collapse of the Soviet Union, thereby ending the Cold War. With Dr. Jagan and his PPP no longer posing a threat to the USA, the way was clear for PNC leader and President Desmond Hoyte to restore “free and fair elections” in October 1992 that returned Dr. Jagan to power. The one crucial mistake President Hoyte made was not scrapping the 1980 Constitution which was designed for a joint PPP/PNC one-party state.
Dr. Jagan, although he had publicly opposed the constitution in 1980, kept it intact. He never even amended it. The PPP would rule for 23 years with just an occasional tinkering with the Constitution. It never stripped away the unilateral Presidential powers, despite many requests by Hindu intellectuals to do so.
And after meeting seven times with Bharrat Jagdeo to discuss the naming of a GECOM Chairman and President Granger not finding any of Jagdeo’s nominees suitable, the President made his choice in accordance with the powers bestowed on him by the Constitution – the same one under which Jagdeo is claiming immunity from prosecution and court proceedings.


Malcolm Harripaul

 

https://www.kaieteurnewsonline...nd-the-constitution/

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Harripaul writes about "Balwant" Singh Rai. That should be Balram.

Yes, Dr Jagan was inconsistent is attacking the Burnham Constitution when he was Opposition Leader and then not changing a word in it when he became President. Power mesmerizes politicians and, in this regard, Dr Jagan joined the breed. Too bad.

The contentious sections of the constitution cry out for change. Failure to respond accordingly will just maintain the same old dead-end status quo.

FM
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Gilbakka posted:

Harripaul writes about "Balwant" Singh Rai. That should be Balram.

Yes, Dr Jagan was inconsistent is attacking the Burnham Constitution when he was Opposition Leader and then not changing a word in it when he became President. Power mesmerizes politicians and, in this regard, Dr Jagan joined the breed. Too bad.

The contentious sections of the constitution cry out for change. Failure to respond accordingly will just maintain the same old dead-end status quo.

Gilly,

If Cheddie had more time,do you think he would amend the Constitution to be more Democratic ?

Django
Django posted:

Gilly,

If Cheddie had more time,do you think he would amend the Constitution to be more Democratic ?

Gilly is not a psychic. Gilly had read a news report where President Jagan had met with some private sector hombres and Yesu Persaud asked him when he would change the constitution. Dr Jagan said it was not his priority. When pressed further, he asked Yesu a rhetorical question: "Does Jagan look like a dictator to you?" Everybaddy shut dem trap.

You can draw your conclusion, banna.

FM
Gilbakka posted:
Django posted:

Gilly,

If Cheddie had more time,do you think he would amend the Constitution to be more Democratic ?

Gilly is not a psychic. Gilly had read a news report where President Jagan had met with some private sector hombres and Yesu Persaud asked him when he would change the constitution. Dr Jagan said it was not his priority. When pressed further, he asked Yesu a rhetorical question: "Does Jagan look like a dictator to you?" Everybaddy shut dem trap.

You can draw your conclusion, banna.

Thank you Bhai,

for reminding,time for some more Fish oil.

Django
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Django posted:
Gilbakka posted:

Gilly is not a psychic. Gilly had read a news report where President Jagan had met with some private sector hombres and Yesu Persaud asked him when he would change the constitution. Dr Jagan said it was not his priority. When pressed further, he asked Yesu a rhetorical question: "Does Jagan look like a dictator to you?" Everybaddy shut dem trap.

You can draw your conclusion, banna.

Thank you Bhai,

for reminding,time for some more Fish oil.

I help you only because you called me your Choka Bhai. You didn't specify bigan choka, aloo choka, coconut choka or saltfish choka. 

FM
Mars posted:

Elections rigging, restored democracy and the Constitution


 

DEAR EDITOR,

Ever since President David Granger, at his seventh meeting with Opposition Leader Bharrat Jagdeo to discuss the naming of a Chairman of GECOM, announced that he had chosen Justice Patterson, the PPP has raised fears of electoral rigging. How ironic.
I recall it was the PPP’s Dr. Cheddi Jagan who in 1962 was the first to introduce rigging at the PPP Congress, where he padded the electoral list with one hundred WPO members in order to prevent Hindu intellectual Balwant Singh Rai from becoming Chairman of the PPP.
Dr. Jagan would experience electoral Karma when, due to his obsession with the Soviet Union and world communism, the USA decided that he must not be allowed to take power in Guyana, and the means to do so was by electoral fraud to deny his Marxist Leninist PPP victory at the polls during the era of the Cold War.
Numerous Hindu intellectuals had urged Dr. Jagan to change his ideology, cease supporting the USSR against the USA, and to embrace capitalism and the USA, but he placed the interest of the Soviet Union and Communism above that of his supporters, and so he was locked out of power at the expense of his supporters.
Further, although he would cry rigged elections during the 1970’s and 1980’s, Cheddi Jagan would in 1975 declare support for Burnham’s PNC, call for other parties to join the PNC in a National Front in 1977, call for a National Patriotic Front Gov’t with the PNC in 1978, and in the early 1980’s, entered into power sharing talks with Burnham’s PNC, aimed at creating a one-party socialist dictatorship that would have ended the need for “free and fair elections.”
Unfortunately for Dr. Jagan, his best friend and student Burnham died in 1985 and the PNC’s new leader Desmond Hoyte said enough of the socialist nonsense and ended the power sharing talks between PPP and PNC.
Desmond Hoyte proved to be a transformative leader who put the interest of Guyana above that of party and ethnic loyalties. He went about dismantling the semi-socialist state of the Jagan/Burnham experiment, depoliticizing the civil service and security forces, restoring fully the freedom of the press and the right to protest. He also began the process of free and fair elections.
Dr. Jagan’s communist world order came crashing down in 1990 with the collapse of the Soviet Union, thereby ending the Cold War. With Dr. Jagan and his PPP no longer posing a threat to the USA, the way was clear for PNC leader and President Desmond Hoyte to restore “free and fair elections” in October 1992 that returned Dr. Jagan to power. The one crucial mistake President Hoyte made was not scrapping the 1980 Constitution which was designed for a joint PPP/PNC one-party state.
Dr. Jagan, although he had publicly opposed the constitution in 1980, kept it intact. He never even amended it. The PPP would rule for 23 years with just an occasional tinkering with the Constitution. It never stripped away the unilateral Presidential powers, despite many requests by Hindu intellectuals to do so.
And after meeting seven times with Bharrat Jagdeo to discuss the naming of a GECOM Chairman and President Granger not finding any of Jagdeo’s nominees suitable, the President made his choice in accordance with the powers bestowed on him by the Constitution – the same one under which Jagdeo is claiming immunity from prosecution and court proceedings.


Malcolm Harripaul

 

https://www.kaieteurnewsonline...nd-the-constitution/

Mars,

Unless you are Malcolm, we know where you stand on this issue. They say “two wrongs do not make it right”. So, if the attempt here by you and Malcolm is to justify the actions of President Granger on the GECOM issue by invoking the demons of the PPP,  you are way out in left field. 

Besides, if neither of you are constitutional lawyers, then we cannot accept your words that Granger acted constitutionally...the jury is still out on this because the matter is in court. It will be interesting to see how the courts pronounce on this. But Malcolm is blind to the political implications of Granger’s actions.

Judging by the information presented in this letter, this set of PPP activities occurred many decades ago. You telling us to live in the past? The world has changed since Jagan, and, more importantly , the PNC ran on promoting “change” in Guyana...so why don’t we hold them to higher standards and stop this idiotic tendency to play “Tit for Tat”, “he did it, so I can do it like him”. The PNC and Granger must be judged on a set of different criteria...different from the PPP, and you guys need to stop acting like history started in 1992. Guyana history started decades before 1992, and you and Malcolm would like us to forget that history. This makes you a knucklehead.

I have never seen this bana Malcolm writing before (maybe once or so) but I am betting he is working for the PNC or he has some business interest with them. They are expected to tow the line. He is not writing without bias.

I said before that both parties have their demons and an attempt to blame one party for Guyana’s woes is an exercise in futility. You are guilty of this too because you are known on this site for posting information favorable (not critical) of the coalition. That makes you twice a Knucklehead.

If you guys really want to find a solution to Guyana’s problems and end the blame game, both parties have to admit their wrongs and they need to bring in new blood and work with each other, not against each other. Otherwise, one half of the population will always be excluded, or at least perceived themselves to be excluded from political power. 

 

V
VishMahabir posted:
Mars posted:

Elections rigging, restored democracy and the Constitution


 

DEAR EDITOR,

Ever since President David Granger, at his seventh meeting with Opposition Leader Bharrat Jagdeo to discuss the naming of a Chairman of GECOM, announced that he had chosen Justice Patterson, the PPP has raised fears of electoral rigging. How ironic.
I recall it was the PPP’s Dr. Cheddi Jagan who in 1962 was the first to introduce rigging at the PPP Congress, where he padded the electoral list with one hundred WPO members in order to prevent Hindu intellectual Balwant Singh Rai from becoming Chairman of the PPP.
Dr. Jagan would experience electoral Karma when, due to his obsession with the Soviet Union and world communism, the USA decided that he must not be allowed to take power in Guyana, and the means to do so was by electoral fraud to deny his Marxist Leninist PPP victory at the polls during the era of the Cold War.
Numerous Hindu intellectuals had urged Dr. Jagan to change his ideology, cease supporting the USSR against the USA, and to embrace capitalism and the USA, but he placed the interest of the Soviet Union and Communism above that of his supporters, and so he was locked out of power at the expense of his supporters.
Further, although he would cry rigged elections during the 1970’s and 1980’s, Cheddi Jagan would in 1975 declare support for Burnham’s PNC, call for other parties to join the PNC in a National Front in 1977, call for a National Patriotic Front Gov’t with the PNC in 1978, and in the early 1980’s, entered into power sharing talks with Burnham’s PNC, aimed at creating a one-party socialist dictatorship that would have ended the need for “free and fair elections.”
Unfortunately for Dr. Jagan, his best friend and student Burnham died in 1985 and the PNC’s new leader Desmond Hoyte said enough of the socialist nonsense and ended the power sharing talks between PPP and PNC.
Desmond Hoyte proved to be a transformative leader who put the interest of Guyana above that of party and ethnic loyalties. He went about dismantling the semi-socialist state of the Jagan/Burnham experiment, depoliticizing the civil service and security forces, restoring fully the freedom of the press and the right to protest. He also began the process of free and fair elections.
Dr. Jagan’s communist world order came crashing down in 1990 with the collapse of the Soviet Union, thereby ending the Cold War. With Dr. Jagan and his PPP no longer posing a threat to the USA, the way was clear for PNC leader and President Desmond Hoyte to restore “free and fair elections” in October 1992 that returned Dr. Jagan to power. The one crucial mistake President Hoyte made was not scrapping the 1980 Constitution which was designed for a joint PPP/PNC one-party state.
Dr. Jagan, although he had publicly opposed the constitution in 1980, kept it intact. He never even amended it. The PPP would rule for 23 years with just an occasional tinkering with the Constitution. It never stripped away the unilateral Presidential powers, despite many requests by Hindu intellectuals to do so.
And after meeting seven times with Bharrat Jagdeo to discuss the naming of a GECOM Chairman and President Granger not finding any of Jagdeo’s nominees suitable, the President made his choice in accordance with the powers bestowed on him by the Constitution – the same one under which Jagdeo is claiming immunity from prosecution and court proceedings.


Malcolm Harripaul

 

https://www.kaieteurnewsonline...nd-the-constitution/

Mars,

Unless you are Malcolm, we know where you stand on this issue. They say “two wrongs do not make it right”. So, if the attempt here by you and Malcolm is to justify the actions of President Granger on the GECOM issue by invoking the demons of the PPP,  you are way out in left field. 

Besides, if neither of you are constitutional lawyers, then we cannot accept your words that Granger acted constitutionally...the jury is still out on this because the matter is in court. It will be interesting to see how the courts pronounce on this. But Malcolm is blind to the political implications of Granger’s actions.

Judging by the information presented in this letter, this set of PPP activities occurred many decades ago. You telling us to live in the past? The world has changed since Jagan, and, more importantly , the PNC ran on promoting “change” in Guyana...so why don’t we hold them to higher standards and stop this idiotic tendency to play “Tit for Tat”, “he did it, so I can do it like him”. The PNC and Granger must be judged on a set of different criteria...different from the PPP, and you guys need to stop acting like history started in 1992. Guyana history started decades before 1992, and you and Malcolm would like us to forget that history. This makes you a knucklehead.

I have never seen this bana Malcolm writing before (maybe once or so) but I am betting he is working for the PNC or he has some business interest with them. They are expected to tow the line. He is not writing without bias.

I said before that both parties have their demons and an attempt to blame one party for Guyana’s woes is an exercise in futility. You are guilty of this too because you are known on this site for posting information favorable (not critical) of the coalition. That makes you twice a Knucklehead.

If you guys really want to find a solution to Guyana’s problems and end the blame game, both parties have to admit their wrongs and they need to bring in new blood and work with each other, not against each other. Otherwise, one half of the population will always be excluded, or at least perceived themselves to be excluded from political power. 

 

Knucklehead, I posted an article for discussion. Did you see me say anything else beyond that? Unless I'm now Malcolm Harripaul, how am I responsible for what he's writing in the newspapers?

Mars

Vish, I admire your resolve. This article WAS DISCUSSED HERE BEFORE. Malcolm is the greatest OPPORTUNIST, ass kisser and Batty washer. Jagan kicked him to the curb and since then he has been nothing but FILTH!!!

Nehru
Mars posted:
VishMahabir posted:
Mars posted:

Elections rigging, restored democracy and the Constitution


 

DEAR EDITOR,

Ever since President David Granger, at his seventh meeting with Opposition Leader Bharrat Jagdeo to discuss the naming of a Chairman of GECOM, announced that he had chosen Justice Patterson, the PPP has raised fears of electoral rigging. How ironic.
I recall it was the PPP’s Dr. Cheddi Jagan who in 1962 was the first to introduce rigging at the PPP Congress, where he padded the electoral list with one hundred WPO members in order to prevent Hindu intellectual Balwant Singh Rai from becoming Chairman of the PPP.
Dr. Jagan would experience electoral Karma when, due to his obsession with the Soviet Union and world communism, the USA decided that he must not be allowed to take power in Guyana, and the means to do so was by electoral fraud to deny his Marxist Leninist PPP victory at the polls during the era of the Cold War.
Numerous Hindu intellectuals had urged Dr. Jagan to change his ideology, cease supporting the USSR against the USA, and to embrace capitalism and the USA, but he placed the interest of the Soviet Union and Communism above that of his supporters, and so he was locked out of power at the expense of his supporters.
Further, although he would cry rigged elections during the 1970’s and 1980’s, Cheddi Jagan would in 1975 declare support for Burnham’s PNC, call for other parties to join the PNC in a National Front in 1977, call for a National Patriotic Front Gov’t with the PNC in 1978, and in the early 1980’s, entered into power sharing talks with Burnham’s PNC, aimed at creating a one-party socialist dictatorship that would have ended the need for “free and fair elections.”
Unfortunately for Dr. Jagan, his best friend and student Burnham died in 1985 and the PNC’s new leader Desmond Hoyte said enough of the socialist nonsense and ended the power sharing talks between PPP and PNC.
Desmond Hoyte proved to be a transformative leader who put the interest of Guyana above that of party and ethnic loyalties. He went about dismantling the semi-socialist state of the Jagan/Burnham experiment, depoliticizing the civil service and security forces, restoring fully the freedom of the press and the right to protest. He also began the process of free and fair elections.
Dr. Jagan’s communist world order came crashing down in 1990 with the collapse of the Soviet Union, thereby ending the Cold War. With Dr. Jagan and his PPP no longer posing a threat to the USA, the way was clear for PNC leader and President Desmond Hoyte to restore “free and fair elections” in October 1992 that returned Dr. Jagan to power. The one crucial mistake President Hoyte made was not scrapping the 1980 Constitution which was designed for a joint PPP/PNC one-party state.
Dr. Jagan, although he had publicly opposed the constitution in 1980, kept it intact. He never even amended it. The PPP would rule for 23 years with just an occasional tinkering with the Constitution. It never stripped away the unilateral Presidential powers, despite many requests by Hindu intellectuals to do so.
And after meeting seven times with Bharrat Jagdeo to discuss the naming of a GECOM Chairman and President Granger not finding any of Jagdeo’s nominees suitable, the President made his choice in accordance with the powers bestowed on him by the Constitution – the same one under which Jagdeo is claiming immunity from prosecution and court proceedings.


Malcolm Harripaul

 

https://www.kaieteurnewsonline...nd-the-constitution/

Mars,

Unless you are Malcolm, we know where you stand on this issue. They say “two wrongs do not make it right”. So, if the attempt here by you and Malcolm is to justify the actions of President Granger on the GECOM issue by invoking the demons of the PPP,  you are way out in left field. 

Besides, if neither of you are constitutional lawyers, then we cannot accept your words that Granger acted constitutionally...the jury is still out on this because the matter is in court. It will be interesting to see how the courts pronounce on this. But Malcolm is blind to the political implications of Granger’s actions.

Judging by the information presented in this letter, this set of PPP activities occurred many decades ago. You telling us to live in the past? The world has changed since Jagan, and, more importantly , the PNC ran on promoting “change” in Guyana...so why don’t we hold them to higher standards and stop this idiotic tendency to play “Tit for Tat”, “he did it, so I can do it like him”. The PNC and Granger must be judged on a set of different criteria...different from the PPP, and you guys need to stop acting like history started in 1992. Guyana history started decades before 1992, and you and Malcolm would like us to forget that history. This makes you a knucklehead.

I have never seen this bana Malcolm writing before (maybe once or so) but I am betting he is working for the PNC or he has some business interest with them. They are expected to tow the line. He is not writing without bias.

I said before that both parties have their demons and an attempt to blame one party for Guyana’s woes is an exercise in futility. You are guilty of this too because you are known on this site for posting information favorable (not critical) of the coalition. That makes you twice a Knucklehead.

If you guys really want to find a solution to Guyana’s problems and end the blame game, both parties have to admit their wrongs and they need to bring in new blood and work with each other, not against each other. Otherwise, one half of the population will always be excluded, or at least perceived themselves to be excluded from political power. 

 

Knucklehead, I posted an article for discussion. Did you see me say anything else beyond that? Unless I'm now Malcolm Harripaul, how am I responsible for what he's writing in the newspapers?

Mars Bana,

why you using my word? I am the only one allowed to use that word, you Knucklehead. 

And incidentally, why you only posting articles favorable to the coalition for discussion...? Your slip is showing. 

V
VishMahabir posted:
Mars posted:

Knucklehead, I posted an article for discussion. Did you see me say anything else beyond that? Unless I'm now Malcolm Harripaul, how am I responsible for what he's writing in the newspapers?

Mars Bana,

why you using my word? I am the only one allowed to use that word, you Knucklehead. 

And incidentally, why you only posting articles favorable to the coalition for discussion...? Your slip is showing. 

Awrite Numpty.

Mars
Nehru posted:

Vish, I admire your resolve. This article WAS DISCUSSED HERE BEFORE. Malcolm is the greatest OPPORTUNIST, ass kisser and Batty washer. Jagan kicked him to the curb and since then he has been nothing but FILTH!!!

De article has the date Nov 8, 2017. Is Mars fudging the date?

V
VishMahabir posted:
Nehru posted:

Vish, I admire your resolve. This article WAS DISCUSSED HERE BEFORE. Malcolm is the greatest OPPORTUNIST, ass kisser and Batty washer. Jagan kicked him to the curb and since then he has been nothing but FILTH!!!

De article has the date Nov 8, 2017. Is Mars fudging the date?

Follow the link I provided to the article, Numpty.  

Mars
VishMahabir posted:
Nehru posted:

Vish, I admire your resolve. This article WAS DISCUSSED HERE BEFORE. Malcolm is the greatest OPPORTUNIST, ass kisser and Batty washer. Jagan kicked him to the curb and since then he has been nothing but FILTH!!!

De article has the date Nov 8, 2017. Is Mars fudging the date?

Could be my mistake and it is a very similar Article.

Nehru
Mars posted:
VishMahabir posted:
Nehru posted:

Vish, I admire your resolve. This article WAS DISCUSSED HERE BEFORE. Malcolm is the greatest OPPORTUNIST, ass kisser and Batty washer. Jagan kicked him to the curb and since then he has been nothing but FILTH!!!

De article has the date Nov 8, 2017. Is Mars fudging the date?

Follow the link I provided to the article, Numpty.  

OK.

V

With Dr. Jagan and his PPP no longer posing a threat to the USA, the way was clear for PNC leader and President Desmond Hoyte to restore "free and fair elections" in October 1992 that returned Dr. Jagan to power. The one crucial mistake President Hoyte made was not scrapping the 1980 Constitution which was designed for a joint PPP/PNC one-party state.

How gracious of Hoyte. Just before he begins threatening the PPP government with "slo fiah, mo fiah".

Harripaul must be an incarnation of Trump. 

FM
Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

Experts on Guyana's politics would disagree with this article as nothing but pure BS.

Malcom still hoping  to get a job as press officer? I thought he was a member of the PPP, an associate of Dr. Jagan until he was fired from his job. Later, he joined the PNC. Maybe, I am late in getting the news, Maybe he did get the job.

Z
ksazma posted:

.

How gracious of Hoyte. Just before he begins threatening the PPP government with "slo fiah, mo fiah".

Harripaul must be an incarnation of Trump. 

Of course the Indo KKK fraud that you are will conveniently forget that "slo fiah" came after the PPP refused to dialogue with the opposition.  Parliament was a rubber stamp.

Ask yourself why Hoyte never went that route when Jagan was alive. He gave the PPP a chance and then discovered that the only way to bring the PPP to the table was through threatening violence.

FM
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