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President David Granger

July 14, 2017  Source

–President says minister inherited a broken prison system

NO blame should be attached to Public Security Minister Khemraj Ramjattan for the two Georgetown Prison fires in March 2016 and last Sunday, President David Granger has said.
The President’s statement follows calls by the Opposition People’s Progressive Party’s (PPP) for Ramjattan to step down from his post. But President Granger reminded that the prison system has been plagued with problems for a long time, while noting that the problems are not a quick fix.

“It is quite unfortunate that Mr Ramjattan had to inherit a prison service which is in its present state,” the President told the Guyana Chronicle in an interview on Thursday.
He noted too that even while he was a member of the Disciplined Forces Commission 14 years ago, he was aware of the decrepit state of the infrastructure at all the country’s prison facilities.
Following the March 2016 fire which left 17 prisoners dead, the President and the Minister of Public Security visited the Mazaruni Prisons where an assessment of the infrastructure was done and plans made to have the facility expanded to accommodate more prisoners. “…he was with me last year, we visited Mazaruni and we knew what had to be done. I would not blame him, I think he has a very difficult ministry,” President Granger added.
Asked whether he believes the appointment of a junior minister to the Public Security Ministry would remove some of the pressures off Minister Ramjattan, the head-of-state said, “…the presence of a junior minister may not necessarily relieve him of the burden of the discrepant system.”
Granger made the point that each aspect of the security sector is faced with its own challenges, and as such, he is awaiting a report from his advisor on security on the way forward relative to reform of the force.
In the case of the Guyana Fire Service, the President noted the need for more equipment. “It is a high-expenditure ministry, but I would not attach any blame to him or any neglect of duty on his part. I think he is working very hard in a difficult situation,” Mr Granger asserted.

Meanwhile, on Wednesday, Opposition Leader Bharrat Jagdeo said Ramjattan should consider calls for him to resign following the second Camp Street penitentiary fire and jailbreak. Jagdeo labelled the minister as incompetent and said it would be best if the President asks Ramjattan to resign.
“He has to take responsibility just like in the past when they used to call on PPP ministers, when there was a problem… to resign,” said Jagdeo, who served as President during the 2002 jailbreak and other prison unrests.

However, on Sunday night, during a televised press conference aired on the National Communications Network (NCN), Ramjattan cast aside calls for him to demit office. When asked whether be believes he should step down, given the two fires which occurred just over a year apart, Ramjattan said he is not to be blamed as he did nothing wrong. “If there is a fault on my part; well, the President can do that… I would have resigned if it was a fault on my part,” Ramjattan told reporters.
He said too that because of the need to bailout the ailing sugar industry, large amounts were expended there and stressed that the government does not have the finances to construct a new facility immediately.

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Riff, dat GADAHA dont know his mouth from his Kakahole! He is so dumb and stupid it is no wonder Guyana went from top of the mountain to the bottom of the Latrine in 2 years. He is a special kind if INCOMPETENCE!!

Nehru

Utter nonsense. Yes they inherited a broken criminal justice system but they have had 2 years to BEGIN to fix it.  We don't expect miracles but we expect to see the beginning of some change.

Can Granger itemize how exactly he has begun to fix this and other issues?  According to most G/T is once again "Wild Kingdom" even though its City Council and its national government are both APNU/AFC.

FM

Also Ramjattan needs to do the right thing and demit his position as Minister of Home Affairs as he is as inept in this function as was Rohee.

Interesting that they put military men in all sorts of positions, some not even beginning to have a clue as to what to do, yet a position like this, which screams for the expertise that I presume that a high caliber military man should have, they put Ramjattan.

FM
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caribny posted:

Utter nonsense. Yes they inherited a broken criminal justice system but they have had 2 years to BEGIN to fix it.  We don't expect miracles but we expect to see the beginning of some change.

Can Granger itemize how exactly he has begun to fix this and other issues?  According to most G/T is once again "Wild Kingdom" even though its City Council and its national government are both APNU/AFC.

When are you going to give your PNC boys any blame? Never? Are they accountable for any problems in Guyana? Did the PPP inherit a broken sysytem in 1991? I did not hear them constantly blame your PNC boys.

FM
skeldon_man posted:
caribny posted:

Utter nonsense. Yes they inherited a broken criminal justice system but they have had 2 years to BEGIN to fix it.  We don't expect miracles but we expect to see the beginning of some change.

Can Granger itemize how exactly he has begun to fix this and other issues?  According to most G/T is once again "Wild Kingdom" even though its City Council and its national government are both APNU/AFC.

When are you going to give your PNC boys any blame? Never? Are they accountable for any problems in Guyana? Did the PPP inherit a broken sysytem in 1991? I did not hear them constantly blame your PNC boys.

the man just finished criticizing the Govt.....

FM
RiffRaff posted:
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the man just finished criticizing the Govt.....

Many of the folks come from the Corentyne Coast which has the highest level of illiteracy in coastal Guyana.  I forgive them for their ignorance.

FM
skeldon_man posted:
caribny posted:

Utter nonsense. Yes they inherited a broken criminal justice system but they have had 2 years to BEGIN to fix it.  We don't expect miracles but we expect to see the beginning of some change.

Can Granger itemize how exactly he has begun to fix this and other issues?  According to most G/T is once again "Wild Kingdom" even though its City Council and its national government are both APNU/AFC.

When are you going to give your PNC boys any blame? Never? Are they accountable for any problems in Guyana? Did the PPP inherit a broken sysytem in 1991? I did not hear them constantly blame your PNC boys.

Carib is too nice to you people..this is where I woulda tell you about haul yo rass.The banna made a post against the Granger govt. So what part of it you got problems with?

cain
RiffRaff posted:
skeldon_man posted:
caribny posted:

Utter nonsense. Yes they inherited a broken criminal justice system but they have had 2 years to BEGIN to fix it.  We don't expect miracles but we expect to see the beginning of some change.

Can Granger itemize how exactly he has begun to fix this and other issues?  According to most G/T is once again "Wild Kingdom" even though its City Council and its national government are both APNU/AFC.

When are you going to give your PNC boys any blame? Never? Are they accountable for any problems in Guyana? Did the PPP inherit a broken sysytem in 1991? I did not hear them constantly blame your PNC boys.

the man just finished criticizing the Govt.....

You failed to see my point. It was about an inherited broken criminal system.

FM
caribny posted:

Also Ramjattan needs to do the right thing and demit his position as Minister of Home Affairs as he is as inept in this function as was Rohee.

Interesting that they put military men in all sorts of positions, some not even beginning to have a clue as to what to do, yet a position like this, which screams for the expertise that I presume that a high caliber military man should have, they put Ramjattan.

One of the few time I agree with you , dont jump for joy and expect a medal. Teach the other GNI brothers to be brave enough to criticize the PRESENT government .I am not here to shower praise, but to identify the faults of all government.

K
skeldon_man posted:
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You failed to see my point. It was about an inherited broken criminal system.

They did inherit a broken system just as they inherited a bankrupt Guysuco. You see you are too terrified that Jagdeo gives you a bytch slap to admit to these facts.

I can criticize Granger for making excuses instead of beginning to fix the problem. I can tell him that the only noises I want from his mouth is him itemizing what he has done.

You cannot admit the warts of the PPP.

FM
kp posted:
. Teach the other GNI brothers to be brave enough to criticize the PRESENT government ...

Except for probably Mars none of us who supported the coalition government lavish praises on them today. In fact we are quite critical of them.

I look forward to the day when you tell Jagdeo to stop screaming about Guysuco in its current state and start to admit that it is where it is because HE destroyed it.  The first day Granger got into office Guysuco bellowed and screamed that it was going to lay off thousands of people and shut down operations unless it got an IMMEDIATE bail out.

FM
caribny posted:
kp posted:
. Teach the other GNI brothers to be brave enough to criticize the PRESENT government ...

Except for probably Mars none of us who supported the coalition government lavish praises on them today. In fact we are quite critical of them.

I look forward to the day when you tell Jagdeo to stop screaming about Guysuco in its current state and start to admit that it is where it is because HE destroyed it.  The first day Granger got into office Guysuco bellowed and screamed that it was going to lay off thousands of people and shut down operations unless it got an IMMEDIATE bail out.

Ever so often your poor bruised ego is reminded of the last time it has been bytch slapped by Mars and you have to make up some bullshit lies to soothe it. Keep my name out of your Anansi stories and get on without involving me. When have you seen me "lavishing praises" on the current government? If you can retrieve what I just wrote about the prison situation or Guysuco, you'll see that my perspective is balanced and objective. My views are based on facts first and not race first like you and that's why you always have to take a dig at me, because I'm not of your skin tone. The problem with you supporting the current government is that it is too Indian for you from day one. It has been tainted by forming alliances with too many non-blacks. You don't fool me in any way. Regardless of what you may say here, I know your kind and you're the most dangerous. It's no coincidence that Ramjattan and Nagamootoo are the ones you're most critical of in the current government.

Mars
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Mars posted:
caribny posted:
 

. The problem with you supporting the current government is that it is too Indian for you from day one. 

Really? And here was I hearing all about how its an "African government intent on punishing Indians". Most recently by "attempting to restrict the importation of Indian wear".

Now I told you that Moses would be side lined and I have been proven correct. I challenge you to prove that Moses has any impact an any aspect of governance in Guyana.  In fact they repeatedly make Ramjattan look like an idiot when his job should have been performed by someone with background to actually be effective.

BTW the notion of you bytch slapping me as a laugh.  You are as silly as Nehru and druggie with their slavish defense of the PPP. Instead you frequently post propaganda items for the coalition government.

FM

And Mars you will note that I almost never mention Moses and Ramjattan, seeing that they are trivial and are of no consequence.

My criticisms are always aimed at Granger and especially at Harmon. When last I checked neither man was an Indian.

In fact I scarcely even refer to the coalition gov't, referring to what it is and that is an APNU regime.

FM
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caribny posted:
skeldon_man posted:
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You failed to see my point. It was about an inherited broken criminal system.

They did inherit a broken system just as they inherited a bankrupt Guysuco. You see you are too terrified that Jagdeo gives you a bytch slap to admit to these facts.

I can criticize Granger for making excuses instead of beginning to fix the problem. I can tell him that the only noises I want from his mouth is him itemizing what he has done.

You cannot admit the warts of the PPP.

Caribj, you are clever for dunces.  I know your style for 15 years and see you thru and thru.

You jump on firing Ramjattan, a very convenient way of stripping out a "coolie" and from the AFC and replace with a "kit and kin" croonie from the PNC!

The inherited a "bankrupt" Guysuco?  Well the PPP inherited a bankrupt nation and this is when Guysuco still enjoyed subsidies!!

Baseman gone till whenever!!

FM
ba$eman posted:
caribny posted:
skeldon_man posted:
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You failed to see my point. It was about an inherited broken criminal system.

They did inherit a broken system just as they inherited a bankrupt Guysuco. You see you are too terrified that Jagdeo gives you a bytch slap to admit to these facts.

I can criticize Granger for making excuses instead of beginning to fix the problem. I can tell him that the only noises I want from his mouth is him itemizing what he has done.

You cannot admit the warts of the PPP.

Caribj, you are clever for dunces.  I know your style for 15 years and see you thru and thru.

You jump on firing Ramjattan, a very convenient way of stripping out a "coolie" and from the AFC and replace with a "kit and kin" croonie from the PNC!

The inherited a "bankrupt" Guysuco?  Well the PPP inherited a bankrupt nation and this is when Guysuco still enjoyed subsidies!!

Baseman gone till whenever!!

You peep made a statement and gone !!!

Django
caribny posted:
Mars posted:
caribny posted:
 

. The problem with you supporting the current government is that it is too Indian for you from day one. 

Really? And here was I hearing all about how its an "African government intent on punishing Indians". Most recently by "attempting to restrict the importation of Indian wear".

Now I told you that Moses would be side lined and I have been proven correct. I challenge you to prove that Moses has any impact an any aspect of governance in Guyana.  In fact they repeatedly make Ramjattan look like an idiot when his job should have been performed by someone with background to actually be effective.

BTW the notion of you bytch slapping me as a laugh.  You are as silly as Nehru and druggie with their slavish defense of the PPP. Instead you frequently post propaganda items for the coalition government.

Yes, really. The reason why you vehemently objected to your beloved PNC merging with the AFC to contest the elections was because you're a militant black racist who wants power to be held exclusively in the hands of blacks. You could not stand the thought of the PNC forming alliances with Nagamootoo and Ramjattan. That is why you lambasted those men endlessly since the new government took over the reins. Anybody with half a brain could have predicted that Nagamootoo would be powerless in the coalition. The PNC did it before with D'Aguiar, and with Moses, it's just history repeating itself. That is their modus operandi and it's difficult for old dogs to learn new tricks. Since you love to be in the "I told you so" business, you also predicted that the coalition would lose to the PPP. How did that turn out? 

A bumbling cock eyed fool like you talking about being silly? Surely you jest. I can have an intelligent discussion/debate with anyone on this forum on just about any topic because my interests are varied and I see the world from a logical and fact based perspective. The only thing that you can talk about is race and that is coming from a severely biased angle. I still remember seeing some of the vile things you wrote on this forum many years ago and thinking what a racist prick you were. You're probably not so openly racist now because you want to fool people that you have an ounce of objectivity in you but you don't fool me. You will always be racist to the bone.

Mars
Mars posted:

Ever so often your poor bruised ego is reminded of the last time it has been bytch slapped by Mars and you have to make up some bullshit lies to soothe it. Keep my name out of your Anansi stories and get on without involving me. When have you seen me "lavishing praises" on the current government? If you can retrieve what I just wrote about the prison situation or Guysuco, you'll see that my perspective is balanced and objective. My views are based on facts first and not race first like you and that's why you always have to take a dig at me, because I'm not of your skin tone. The problem with you supporting the current government is that it is too Indian for you from day one. It has been tainted by forming alliances with too many non-blacks. You don't fool me in any way. Regardless of what you may say here, I know your kind and you're the most dangerous. It's no coincidence that Ramjattan and Nagamootoo are the ones you're most critical of in the current government.

Don't lie, you got your nose stuck up Granger's ass.  CaribJ manage to pull his nose out but you seem to like the smell of dry shtye of a 72 year old. 

FM
Drugb posted:
Mars posted:

Ever so often your poor bruised ego is reminded of the last time it has been bytch slapped by Mars and you have to make up some bullshit lies to soothe it. Keep my name out of your Anansi stories and get on without involving me. When have you seen me "lavishing praises" on the current government? If you can retrieve what I just wrote about the prison situation or Guysuco, you'll see that my perspective is balanced and objective. My views are based on facts first and not race first like you and that's why you always have to take a dig at me, because I'm not of your skin tone. The problem with you supporting the current government is that it is too Indian for you from day one. It has been tainted by forming alliances with too many non-blacks. You don't fool me in any way. Regardless of what you may say here, I know your kind and you're the most dangerous. It's no coincidence that Ramjattan and Nagamootoo are the ones you're most critical of in the current government.

Don't lie, you got your nose stuck up Granger's ass.  CaribJ manage to pull his nose out but you seem to like the smell of dry shtye of a 72 year old. 

Shut the hell up. You're just like CaribJ. Y'all feelings are hurt for weeks after you take a pummeling from me. Carib will be a PNC racist to the day he dies. PNC is not for me. I held my nose and supported the Coalition Government because the PPP alternative was ten times worse and still people like you are licking Jagdeo's balls. 

The only person I know on this forum who literally swam in a pool of shit is you. Then you ran to the newspapers to broadcast that you just swam in shit. You're a special kind of stupid who must love the smell of shit more than anyone else here.

Mars
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Mars posted:

Shut the hell up. You're just like CaribJ. Y'all feelings are hurt for weeks after you take a pummeling from me. Carib will be a PNC racist to the day he dies. PNC is not for me. I held my nose and supported the Coalition Government because the PPP alternative was ten times worse and still people like you are licking Jagdeo's balls. 

The only person I know on this forum who literally swam in a pool of shit is you. Then you ran to the newspapers to broadcast that you just swam in shit. You're a special kind of stupid who must love the smell of shit more than anyone else here.

You are incapable of hurting anyone's feelings due to your intellectual deficiency, an education not past 5th grade, causes you to mistake silt for shyte. Even Caribj surpass you with his 6th grade education.

The Demerara River is a river in eastern Guyana that rises in the central rainforests of the country and flows to the north for 346 kilometres until it reaches the Atlantic OceanGeorgetown, Guyana's largest seaport and capital, is situated on the east bank of the river's mouth. The Demerara's estuary is narrow and the flowrate is rapid. This scouring action maintains a 5-to-6-metre-deep direct channel to the ocean. The river's deep brown color is primarily the result of the massive quantities of silt carried from upriver by the powerful currents. So powerful are these currents, that the ocean retains the Demerara's brown color for a considerable distance out to sea.

FM
Drugb posted:
Mars posted:

Shut the hell up. You're just like CaribJ. Y'all feelings are hurt for weeks after you take a pummeling from me. Carib will be a PNC racist to the day he dies. PNC is not for me. I held my nose and supported the Coalition Government because the PPP alternative was ten times worse and still people like you are licking Jagdeo's balls. 

The only person I know on this forum who literally swam in a pool of shit is you. Then you ran to the newspapers to broadcast that you just swam in shit. You're a special kind of stupid who must love the smell of shit more than anyone else here.

You are incapable of hurting anyone's feelings due to your intellectual deficiency, an education not past 5th grade, causes you to mistake silt for shyte. Even Caribj surpass you with his 6th grade education.

The Demerara River is a river in eastern Guyana that rises in the central rainforests of the country and flows to the north for 346 kilometres until it reaches the Atlantic OceanGeorgetown, Guyana's largest seaport and capital, is situated on the east bank of the river's mouth. The Demerara's estuary is narrow and the flowrate is rapid. This scouring action maintains a 5-to-6-metre-deep direct channel to the ocean. The river's deep brown color is primarily the result of the massive quantities of silt carried from upriver by the powerful currents. So powerful are these currents, that the ocean retains the Demerara's brown color for a considerable distance out to sea.

You barely made it to Saints and talking about intellect. Laughable!

Did you see me say anything about the cause of the river's color? Y'all come with all kinds of rigmarole arguments. You're just like CaribJ. Two bumbling fools.

Jackass, the Georgetown sewer system is emptied into the Demerara River without being treated. You were swimming in raw shit and enjoying it.

Mars
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Mars posted:

You barely made it to Saints and talking about intellect. Laughable!

Did you see me say anything about the cause of the river's color? Y'all come with all kinds of rigmarole arguments. You're just like CaribJ. Two bumbling fools.

Jackass, the Georgetown sewer system is emptied into the Demerara River without being treated. You were swimming in raw shit and enjoying it.

Nonsense, it washes out to sea jackass, a river is constantly flowing. In fact the sewer empties at the Kitty foreshore at Vlissengen road. Even though jackass Granger gave you a paycheck, he did not give you enough information to continue fetching pnc slopcna. Using the same logic the entire sea is contaminated and no one should go to the beach. 

FM
Drugb posted:
Mars posted:

You barely made it to Saints and talking about intellect. Laughable!

Did you see me say anything about the cause of the river's color? Y'all come with all kinds of rigmarole arguments. You're just like CaribJ. Two bumbling fools.

Jackass, the Georgetown sewer system is emptied into the Demerara River without being treated. You were swimming in raw shit and enjoying it.

Nonsense, it washes out to sea jackass, a river is constantly flowing. In fact the sewer empties at the Kitty foreshore at Vlissengen road. Even though jackass Granger gave you a paycheck, he did not give you enough information to continue fetching pnc slopcna. Using the same logic the entire sea is contaminated and no one should go to the beach. 

GT sewerage empties in the Demerara River Clown. How about a US$1000 bet? Let's see how much you believe the lies you spread here. Put up or shut up.

Mars
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Mars posted:

GT sewerage empties in the Demerara River Clown. How about a US$1000 bet? Let's see how much you believe the lies you spread here. Put up or shut up.

Reveal true identity  and the bet will be on, else keep hiding like a wuss under Granger's bukta.  

FM
Drugb posted:
Mars posted:

GT sewerage empties in the Demerara River Clown. How about a US$1000 bet? Let's see how much you believe the lies you spread here. Put up or shut up.

Reveal true identity  and the bet will be on, else keep hiding like a wuss under Granger's bukta.  

The Admin knows who I am and I'll pledge my money with him. Finding all kinds of reasons now to back down, so who's the real wuss. What does my identity have to do with the place where GT empties its sewerage? You must have swallowed nuff PNC man from GT shit and smiling for the camera afterwards. Soon you gonna want to meet up with Carib and sniff his BT for more enjoyment.  

Mars
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Mars posted:
Drugb posted:
Mars posted:

GT sewerage empties in the Demerara River Clown. How about a US$1000 bet? Let's see how much you believe the lies you spread here. Put up or shut up.

Reveal true identity  and the bet will be on, else keep hiding like a wuss under Granger's bukta.  

The Admin knows who I am and I'll pledge my money with him. Finding all kinds of reasons now to back down, so who's the real wuss. What does my identity have to do with the place where GT empties its sewerage? You must have swallowed nuff PNC man from GT shit and smiling for the camera afterwards. Soon you gonna want to meet up with Carib and sniff his BT for more enjoyment.  

Who cares about admin, reveal your identity to me and we will bet.  Maybe you afraid that you will have to come out of the closet. 

FM
Drugb posted:
Mars posted:
Drugb posted:
Mars posted:

GT sewerage empties in the Demerara River Clown. How about a US$1000 bet? Let's see how much you believe the lies you spread here. Put up or shut up.

Reveal true identity  and the bet will be on, else keep hiding like a wuss under Granger's bukta.  

The Admin knows who I am and I'll pledge my money with him. Finding all kinds of reasons now to back down, so who's the real wuss. What does my identity have to do with the place where GT empties its sewerage? You must have swallowed nuff PNC man from GT shit and smiling for the camera afterwards. Soon you gonna want to meet up with Carib and sniff his BT for more enjoyment.  

Who cares about admin, reveal your identity to me and we will bet.  Maybe you afraid that you will have to come out of the closet. 

OK PNC shit swallower. My name is Ramjohn Guptiwarie. Bet on.

Mars
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Mars posted:

OK PNC shit swallower. My name is Ramjohn Guptiwarie. Bet on.

My background search revealed that this is a fictitious used by the Granger administration to identify anonymous slop can carriers who are on the payroll. 

FM
Drugb posted:
Mars posted:

OK PNC shit swallower. My name is Ramjohn Guptiwarie. Bet on.

My background search revealed that this is a fictitious used by the Granger administration to identify anonymous slop can carriers who are on the payroll. 

Noted that you ran from the bet with your tail between your legs.

It's a pity you didn't do any research before your swim and found out that the GT sewer system empties into the Demerara River. But then again, you might have found that out and that's why you did it for the enjoyment of swallowing shyte.

You better watch it the PPP don't fire you from your job as Chief Piss Pot Porter for swallowing PNC shyte. 

Mars
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Mars posted:

Noted that you ran from the bet with your tail between your legs.

It's a pity you didn't do any research before your swim and found out that the GT sewer system empties into the Demerara River. But then again, you might have found that out and that's why you did it for the enjoyment of swallowing shyte.

You better watch it the PPP don't fire you from your job as Chief Piss Pot Porter for swallowing PNC shyte. 

There is no running, you jackass did not reveal your identity but you got the other anti man Lilmohan as your mouth piece. Please post your real name so I can verify your identity. Many of you cowards hide behind your keyboard and are cyber heroes. 

FM

Deryck, you are full of shyte. You get angry when your slop cans arrive late with your decadent turdilicious piss & poop. This angst is why you have high BP. When was the last time you saw your GP for your congenital Anosmia? hahahahahahaha

Mitwah

When empty minds can contribute nothing of value to a political discussion, they resort to attacking others.  We need a Forum on GNI called Personal Discussions for the kindergarten children.

Bibi Haniffa
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Drugb posted:
Mars posted:

Noted that you ran from the bet with your tail between your legs.

It's a pity you didn't do any research before your swim and found out that the GT sewer system empties into the Demerara River. But then again, you might have found that out and that's why you did it for the enjoyment of swallowing shyte.

You better watch it the PPP don't fire you from your job as Chief Piss Pot Porter for swallowing PNC shyte. 

There is no running, you jackass did not reveal your identity but you got the other anti man Lilmohan as your mouth piece. Please post your real name so I can verify your identity. Many of you cowards hide behind your keyboard and are cyber heroes. 

There is no way for you to verify my identity by just seeing me post a name Jackass. You should have identified the fecal matter before you jumped in it. Did you verify the identity of any of Granger's logs?

Mars
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ba$eman posted:

Caribj, you are clever for dunces.  I know your style for 15 years and see you thru and thru.

You jump on firing Ramjattan, 

Given that all of you scream that Ramjattan is a "Congolover" and a traitor I can only ponder why you are disturbed by anyone claiming that he is inappropriate for his job.

In fact your hero Jagdeo screams daily that he is incompetent.

Do you think he is doing a good job?

FM
Mars posted:
Drugb posted:
Mars posted:

Noted that you ran from the bet with your tail between your legs.

It's a pity you didn't do any research before your swim and found out that the GT sewer system empties into the Demerara River. But then again, you might have found that out and that's why you did it for the enjoyment of swallowing shyte.

You better watch it the PPP don't fire you from your job as Chief Piss Pot Porter for swallowing PNC shyte. 

There is no running, you jackass did not reveal your identity but you got the other anti man Lilmohan as your mouth piece. Please post your real name so I can verify your identity. Many of you cowards hide behind your keyboard and are cyber heroes. 

There is no way for you to verify my identity by just seeing me post a name Jackass. You should have identified the fecal matter before you jumped in it. Did you verify the identity of any of Granger's logs?

Yes I can, I already know who you are. In fact I met you years ago when you were at a crossroad of choosing to come out or not. 

FM
Mars posted:
 

Yes, really. The reason why you vehemently objected to your beloved PNC merging with the AFC to contest the elections was because you're a militant black racist who wants power to be held exclusively in the hands of blacks.

And can you with true seriousness tell me that APNU hasn't excluded the Indian element of the AFC from any involvement in governance.

It would be hard for any one to argue that APNU hasn't been just as guilty of engaging in ethnic favoritism in who it appoints into high positions as the PPP was.

So what clout does Nagamootoo and Ramjattan have? It appears to me that Trotman and Harmon outfoxed this gentlemen. In fact doing exactly as I predicted that they would do.

Continue to fool yourself that Nagamootoo matters.  The man seems to be glad that he has a job and will enjoy a lucrative pension.  I don't see any evidence that will suggest otherwise.

FM
Mars posted:
. Y'all feelings are hurt for weeks after you take a pummeling from me. 

You pummel like a 6 year old girlie girl. I mean the ones who play with dolls and who want to look pretty.  Not the ones who rough and tumble with boys.

Now as to your assertion that I am a PNC racist. Now weren't you the fool to bed down with a racist party, if indeed you believe them to be such.

FM
Drugb posted:
. The river's deep brown color is primarily the result of the massive quantities of silt carried from upriver by the powerful currents. So powerful are these currents, that the ocean retains the Demerara's brown color for a considerable distance out to sea.

Druggie with due respect to you no one will argue that the Demerara River is clean.  All sorts of filth is dumped into that river and we all know that G/T sewerage systems are on the brink of collapse so some of that enters as well.

The brown muddy color hides a number of sins.

FM
Drugb posted:
 

Nonsense, it washes out to sea jackass, a river is constantly flowing.

The river's directions change depending on when its high tide or low and I doubt that the sewerage from the densely populated parts of G/T are moved all the way to Kitty.

You should have selected the Berbice River as the lower population means a less dense concentration of filth.

FM
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Drugb posted:
Mars posted:
Drugb posted:
Mars posted:

Noted that you ran from the bet with your tail between your legs.

It's a pity you didn't do any research before your swim and found out that the GT sewer system empties into the Demerara River. But then again, you might have found that out and that's why you did it for the enjoyment of swallowing shyte.

You better watch it the PPP don't fire you from your job as Chief Piss Pot Porter for swallowing PNC shyte. 

There is no running, you jackass did not reveal your identity but you got the other anti man Lilmohan as your mouth piece. Please post your real name so I can verify your identity. Many of you cowards hide behind your keyboard and are cyber heroes. 

There is no way for you to verify my identity by just seeing me post a name Jackass. You should have identified the fecal matter before you jumped in it. Did you verify the identity of any of Granger's logs?

Yes I can, I already know who you are. In fact I met you years ago when you were at a crossroad of choosing to come out or not. 

I don't know you personally and you certainly don't know me. I read about your swimming "accomplishment" in a post from D2 a few months ago. If your thing is going around having clandestine meetings with confused gay men then that's what turns you on and I won't judge you for it.

What if someone breaks into my computer and posts on it? Or it could be my wife or my son posting. How would you be able to tell the difference Knucklehead since I never log out of my computer?

Were you able to identify any of the logs you swam in or could you tell if they were PPP or PNC logs?

 

Mars
caribny posted:
ba$eman posted:

Caribj, you are clever for dunces.  I know your style for 15 years and see you thru and thru.

You jump on firing Ramjattan, 

Given that all of you scream that Ramjattan is a "Congolover" and a traitor I can only ponder why you are disturbed by anyone claiming that he is inappropriate for his job.

In fact your hero Jagdeo screams daily that he is incompetent.

Do you think he is doing a good job?

Liar Caribj!  I thought I'd step in address this (one of many) big lies regarding my opinion of people.  I happen to know Ramjattan and have a connection with him.  Just last night, I was at a back yard BBQ in Queens with his nephew, who actually invited me over!  From what he told me, the PNC/AFC are working on a master plan to kick-in in 2019 as part of a power retention strategy for 2020!  He knows my position, but we are still friends!

I have my views on the AFC joining with the PNC.  Ramjattan knows my views ever since I was part of the AFC.  Never once was I disrespectful to him for his choice.  I think they were all naive and threw caution to the wind in seeking to get the PPP out of power. My view, they were playing with a rattle snake (PNC)!

I believe Ramjattan is being undermined by the "pan-Afroist (Caribjist) Klans men of the PNC.  Burnhamites want that position real bad as it's a key position sitting on top of the domestic security apparatus.  You are not that smart Caribj, you hide behind other people's skirts and pretend you are merely regurgitating facts, but you ain't.  You hate Granger because [believe it or not], he was the "moderate" alternative whoever the (Caribjists) Burnhamites wanted!

BTW, I noticed even Mars got you [well] pegged!!  You are as opaque as a jellyfish!

FM
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caribny posted:
Mars posted:
 

Yes, really. The reason why you vehemently objected to your beloved PNC merging with the AFC to contest the elections was because you're a militant black racist who wants power to be held exclusively in the hands of blacks.

And can you with true seriousness tell me that APNU hasn't excluded the Indian element of the AFC from any involvement in governance.

It would be hard for any one to argue that APNU hasn't been just as guilty of engaging in ethnic favoritism in who it appoints into high positions as the PPP was.

So what clout does Nagamootoo and Ramjattan have? It appears to me that Trotman and Harmon outfoxed this gentlemen. In fact doing exactly as I predicted that they would do.

Continue to fool yourself that Nagamootoo matters.  The man seems to be glad that he has a job and will enjoy a lucrative pension.  I don't see any evidence that will suggest otherwise.

Did I ever doubt that the Indian element of the AFC has not been excluded from having any real power in the government? Your prediction that Nagamootoo and Ramjattan would be powerless is akin to Captain Obvious D_G and his many "predictions" that he comes up with on any given day. That's like me predicting that the sun would rise in the east tomorrow. Given that's the way your PNC has operated throughout its entire history, who would think that they would be any different now?

There you go again making up straw men to boost your "argument". You might as well have two ID's and just argue against yourself because this is standard operating procedure for caribny. I have never had the illusion that Nagamootoo matters in the current government. Let's talk about positions that I actually take and stop with your stupid lies. It's boring for me to have to answer you Clowns for something that I've never said.

Mars
caribny posted:
Drugb posted:
. The river's deep brown color is primarily the result of the massive quantities of silt carried from upriver by the powerful currents. So powerful are these currents, that the ocean retains the Demerara's brown color for a considerable distance out to sea.

Druggie with due respect to you no one will argue that the Demerara River is clean.  All sorts of filth is dumped into that river and we all know that G/T sewerage systems are on the brink of collapse so some of that enters as well.

The brown muddy color hides a number of sins.

The hudson is worse, how many communities upstream dump and how vast and fast flowing is the river to counteract any dumping. It is minuscule. You folks are jumping to these conclusion based on your perception rather than any fact.   Many people swim in the demerara without adverse effects. The constant ebb and flow of the vast river negated any stagnation that may occur. When you jackasses come with facts then you may be taken seriously. 

FM
Mars posted:

I don't know you personally and you certainly don't know me. I read about your swimming "accomplishment" in a post from D2 a few months ago. If your thing is going around having clandestine meetings with confused gay men then that's what turns you on and I won't judge you for it.

What if someone breaks into my computer and posts on it? Or it could be my wife or my son posting. How would you be able to tell the difference Knucklehead since I never log out of my computer?

Were you able to identify any of the logs you swam in or could you tell if they were PPP or PNC logs?

 

I never acknowledge that was me. So keep on braying. 

FM
ba$eman posted:

Liar Caribj!  I thought I'd step in address this (one of many) big lies regarding my opinion of people. 

Yes I remember you singing high praised of Ramjattan and Nagamootoo after they entered into the coalition with the PNC.  I don't recall you rushing to defend Nagamootoo by insisting that he was a patriotic Guyanese who was also proud of his ethnic origins when large numbers bashed him and Nagamootoo as traitors.

The fact that you, a known Indo KKK, and Mars share the same view of me doesn't reflect well on him.

 

FM
Mars posted:
 

Did I ever doubt that the Indian element of the AFC has not been excluded from having any real power in the government? Your prediction that Nagamootoo and Ramjattan would be powerless is akin to Captain Obvious 

And when I said this you engaged in your usual hysteria calling me a black militant racist.  That you now claim that it was obvious that this would happen is interesting given your shrill reaction 2 years ago.

Your main function on GNI is posting articles favorable to the Coalition. No issue with that but just don't deny it.

FM
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caribny posted:
Mars posted:
 

Did I ever doubt that the Indian element of the AFC has not been excluded from having any real power in the government? Your prediction that Nagamootoo and Ramjattan would be powerless is akin to Captain Obvious 

And when I said this you engaged in your usual hysteria calling me a black militant racist.  That you now claim that it was obvious that this would happen is interesting given your shrill reaction 2 years ago.

Your main function on GNI is posting articles favorable to the Coalition. No issue with that but just don't deny it.

You are basically arguing with yourself because I never once doubted that The AFC wouldn't have any real power in the Coalition. Let's talk about something that I really did say and then we can have a meaningful discussion. Otherwise it's just caribny lying about things that I've never said.

For the entire month of July, I have posted one article on GNI period and it's a satirical "dem boys seh" article. Granger should really fire me for not producing enough.

 

Mars
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Mars posted:
 

Yo are basically arguing with yourself because I never once doubted that The AFC wouldn't have any real power in the Coalition

 

Continue to delude yourself with your version of what happened in 2015 when I warned you about what Granger, Harmon, and Trotman were planning to do.

We are only in the middle of July. More appropriate will be your posts since early 2016 as it became obvious since that salary increase that those people were frauds.

FM
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Drugb posted:
caribny posted:
Drugb posted:
. The river's deep brown color is primarily the result of the massive quantities of silt carried from upriver by the powerful currents. So powerful are these currents, that the ocean retains the Demerara's brown color for a considerable distance out to sea.

Druggie with due respect to you no one will argue that the Demerara River is clean.  All sorts of filth is dumped into that river and we all know that G/T sewerage systems are on the brink of collapse so some of that enters as well.

The brown muddy color hides a number of sins.

The hudson is worse, how many communities upstream dump and how vast and fast flowing is the river to counteract any dumping. It is minuscule. You folks are jumping to these conclusion based on your perception rather than any fact.   Many people swim in the demerara without adverse effects. The constant ebb and flow of the vast river negated any stagnation that may occur. When you jackasses come with facts then you may be taken seriously. 

The GT sewerage system is emptied untreated into the Demerara River and anyone with a bit of common sense would not swim anywhere near there. Different parts of the river may be cleaner but not Georgetown. But if you choose to swim in the logs of your GT brothers, who am I to discourage you?

Mars
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caribny posted:
Mars posted:
 

Yo are basically arguing with yourself because I never once doubted that The AFC wouldn't have any real power in the Coalition

 

Continue to delude yourself with your version of what happened in 2015 when I warned you about what Granger, Harmon, and Trotman were planning to do.

We are only in the middle of July. More appropriate will be your posts since early 2016 as it became obvious since that salary increase that those people were frauds.

Like I said. You warning us that your PNC would push aside the other factions of the coalition is like warning us that the sun would come up tomorrow. 

Mars
caribny posted:
ba$eman posted:

Liar Caribj!  I thought I'd step in address this (one of many) big lies regarding my opinion of people. 

Yes I remember you singing high praised of Ramjattan and Nagamootoo after they entered into the coalition with the PNC.  I don't recall you rushing to defend Nagamootoo by insisting that he was a patriotic Guyanese who was also proud of his ethnic origins when large numbers bashed him and Nagamootoo as traitors.

The fact that you, a known Indo KKK, and Mars share the same view of me doesn't reflect well on him.

 

Where did I ever praised this alliance?  Another Caribj BIG LIE!!  No, I never rushed to defend anyone in this axis...on that, you are telling the truth!!

You call me a kkk, I was critical of the PPP for not having more public-facing Afro faces.

Caribj, switch to Caribkkk!!!

FM
Mars posted:

The GT sewerage system is emptied untreated into the Demerara River

Clearly a lie. The sewage is pumped into the Atlantic at Vlissengen road, I saw it for myself dummy. 

Meanwhile did you come out of the closet or are you still living a lie?

See below jackass:

Septic tanks will be the modus operandi for sewage disposal for the foreseeable future

 

Dear Editor, An article which appeared in the news media recently, reported on the deliberations of the Wastewater Conference held at Guyana Water Incorporated (GWI) headquarters. At that meeting, Junior Communities Minister Dawn Hastings-Williams stated that future housing scheme development in Guyana will have centrally installed water treatment plants instead of septic tanks for individual premises. The objective for this proposed upgrade as claimed is to address the growing threat of water pollution.

Dr Van West-Charles, GWI’s Managing Director in his presentation to the conference was noncommittal with respect to the introduction of the central treatment of wastewater from homes, as opposed to septic tanks as is presently the widespread practice in Guyana. He correctly noted that many of the installed septic tanks are not performing as intended because of poor design and construction, and stated that his staff were preparing designs for efficiently operated septic tanks and where possible, their replacement with the best water treatment plant option available will be examined. Unfortunately, he failed to recognize that soak-away pits are necessary accessories for the efficient operation of septic tanks and the urgent need for country-wide regulatory oversight for septic tanks system design and their construction.

Water/sewage treatment plants are expensive to construct, operate and maintain, and Guyana does not have the resources to introduce this system for waste disposal from its populated areas, any time soon. Because of the lack of finance, Georgetown does not have a central treatment plant and its wastewater is pumped directly into the Atlantic Ocean. Therefore, well-designed septic tanks with soak-away pits will have to be the modus operandi to treat wastewater/sewage from human activities in Guyana for the foreseeable future. Where applicable, industries generating toxic waste should install in-house treatment facilities in accordance with WHO standards.

It is worth noting that many homes in the United States and elsewhere still rely on septic tank systems for their wastewater treatment. Contrary to GWI Sanitation Manager Joseph’s claims, wastewater sludge generated by any proposed Guyanese treatment facility will be uneconomic for conversion into fertilizer for the agricultural sector and/or to harness its chemical energy to generate electricity for the national grid. New York City pays to dump its wastewater sludge onto landfills and in the Atlantic Ocean as there are no markets available for it as a fertilizer for agricultural crops or to harness its chemical energy to generate electricity.

Ms Hastings-Williams and Dr Van West-Charles no doubt have ambitious ideas to deal with the treatment of wastewater before it becomes a major health issue. However, they have failed to comprehend that contaminated drinking water poses a far greater danger to the health of all Guyanese. Therefore, they should direct their energies and limited government resources at their disposal to provide safe and reliable drinking (potable) water for all the people, as is not the case presently, as much of the water produced is distributed untreated and unfiltered. Yours faithfully, Charles Sohan

FM
Drugb posted:
Mars posted:

The GT sewerage system is emptied untreated into the Demerara River

Clearly a lie. The sewage is pumped into the Atlantic at Vlissengen road, I saw it for myself dummy. 

Meanwhile did you come out of the closet or are you still living a lie?

See below jackass:

Septic tanks will be the modus operandi for sewage disposal for the foreseeable future

 

Dear Editor, An article which appeared in the news media recently, reported on the deliberations of the Wastewater Conference held at Guyana Water Incorporated (GWI) headquarters. At that meeting, Junior Communities Minister Dawn Hastings-Williams stated that future housing scheme development in Guyana will have centrally installed water treatment plants instead of septic tanks for individual premises. The objective for this proposed upgrade as claimed is to address the growing threat of water pollution.

Dr Van West-Charles, GWI’s Managing Director in his presentation to the conference was noncommittal with respect to the introduction of the central treatment of wastewater from homes, as opposed to septic tanks as is presently the widespread practice in Guyana. He correctly noted that many of the installed septic tanks are not performing as intended because of poor design and construction, and stated that his staff were preparing designs for efficiently operated septic tanks and where possible, their replacement with the best water treatment plant option available will be examined. Unfortunately, he failed to recognize that soak-away pits are necessary accessories for the efficient operation of septic tanks and the urgent need for country-wide regulatory oversight for septic tanks system design and their construction.

Water/sewage treatment plants are expensive to construct, operate and maintain, and Guyana does not have the resources to introduce this system for waste disposal from its populated areas, any time soon. Because of the lack of finance, Georgetown does not have a central treatment plant and its wastewater is pumped directly into the Atlantic Ocean. Therefore, well-designed septic tanks with soak-away pits will have to be the modus operandi to treat wastewater/sewage from human activities in Guyana for the foreseeable future. Where applicable, industries generating toxic waste should install in-house treatment facilities in accordance with WHO standards.

It is worth noting that many homes in the United States and elsewhere still rely on septic tank systems for their wastewater treatment. Contrary to GWI Sanitation Manager Joseph’s claims, wastewater sludge generated by any proposed Guyanese treatment facility will be uneconomic for conversion into fertilizer for the agricultural sector and/or to harness its chemical energy to generate electricity for the national grid. New York City pays to dump its wastewater sludge onto landfills and in the Atlantic Ocean as there are no markets available for it as a fertilizer for agricultural crops or to harness its chemical energy to generate electricity.

Ms Hastings-Williams and Dr Van West-Charles no doubt have ambitious ideas to deal with the treatment of wastewater before it becomes a major health issue. However, they have failed to comprehend that contaminated drinking water poses a far greater danger to the health of all Guyanese. Therefore, they should direct their energies and limited government resources at their disposal to provide safe and reliable drinking (potable) water for all the people, as is not the case presently, as much of the water produced is distributed untreated and unfiltered. Yours faithfully, Charles Sohan

That is some fool named Charles Sohan who's writing a letter to the editor and doesn't know what he's talking about and it's not at Vlissengen Road like you're claiming. The GT sewerage system is emptied into the Demerara River at Kingston. Read and weep, directly from GWI's website. I know exactly where it is at Fort Groyne which is at the side of the river. 

http://www.gwiguyana.com/?q=node/40

Sewer System

A brief background of the sewerage system in the Georgetown area

There are two sewerage systems in Georgetown:
1. Central Georgetown and the Tucville Sewerage System.
In the Central Georgetown Sewerage System there are no treatment processes. This system was designed by Howard Humphrey and Sons and was first commissioned in 1929. The system essentially comprises 24 interlinked sewerage basins each having a network of gravity sewers draining into a single pumping station. The 24 pumping stations deliver the “untreated” flows into a common ring force main then they are discharged to the mouth of the Demerara River via short outfall at Fort Groyen, Kingston.

The street sewerage network remains unchanged today since it was first completed in 1929. Some of the yard sewers were changed over the years as buildings were rehabilitated, expanded or whenever foundation work was done for new construction. Additional yard sewers were done with AC pipes in the 1970s and more recently PVC pipes were used when changes were done.

2. The Tucville Sewerage System:
This system was constructed in 1970. It comprises of a collection of gravity sewers, draining into treatment works. The collection system comprises of house connections which are generally 100mm diameter AC pipes or pitch fiber pipes. The sewerage treatment works were designed to effect the physical and biological treatment of domestic waste water by the extended aeration activated sludge process. The treatment works have been out of operation for a number of years and a mechanically driven pump carries the sewerage from the reception chamber to the settling tank. The untreated effluent is drained into the Laing canal.

Mars
Mars posted:

Sewer System

A brief background of the sewerage system in the Georgetown area

There are two sewerage systems in Georgetown:
1. Central Georgetown and the Tucville Sewerage System.
In the Central Georgetown Sewerage System there are no treatment processes. This system was designed by Howard Humphrey and Sons and was first commissioned in 1929. The system essentially comprises 24 interlinked sewerage basins each having a network of gravity sewers draining into a single pumping station. The 24 pumping stations deliver the “untreated” flows into a common ring force main then they are discharged to the mouth of the Demerara River via short outfall at Fort Groyen, Kingston.

 

At least a mile and a half upstream where the fellow swam the Demerara.

In addition the pumps are turned on only when the tide is low, meaning that the river is flowing to the ocean, not the reverse where water is backing up inland. 

What a jackass you turned out to be. 

FM

THIS THREAD HAS DESCENDED INTO SHEER "SHIT" TALK.

Why don't you two love birds start a new Quiz thread, title question:  WHERE DOES GEORGETOWN SHIT FLOW:

a)  Durban Backlands

b)  Lamaha Canal

c)  Demerara River

d)  Atlantic Ocean

Add a counter we see which choice wins.

Baseman's choice........(a)

FM
Drugb posted:
Mars posted:

Sewer System

A brief background of the sewerage system in the Georgetown area

There are two sewerage systems in Georgetown:
1. Central Georgetown and the Tucville Sewerage System.
In the Central Georgetown Sewerage System there are no treatment processes. This system was designed by Howard Humphrey and Sons and was first commissioned in 1929. The system essentially comprises 24 interlinked sewerage basins each having a network of gravity sewers draining into a single pumping station. The 24 pumping stations deliver the “untreated” flows into a common ring force main then they are discharged to the mouth of the Demerara River via short outfall at Fort Groyen, Kingston.

 

At least a mile and a half upstream where the fellow swam the Demerara.

In addition the pumps are turned on only when the tide is low, meaning that the river is flowing to the ocean, not the reverse where water is backing up inland. 

What a jackass you turned out to be. 

The only jackass and liar here is you because you claimed that the sewerage is pumped into the ocean and at Vlissengen Road. You're a country baboo and you know about the back dam so stick to talking about what you know. The pumps at Vlissengen Road pump water to ease flooding. Nothing to do with the sewerage system. When the tide turns, all that shit from GT's 250,000 residents is swirling around and backing up into the Demerara River. Plus all the mess from the Stabroek Market that is dumped into that river. Were you able to tell the difference between the PPP and PNC logs?

Mars

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