Now you see when you descend to that every thing else you say can't be taken seriously.

Write when you are less angry or don't write at all, because you make no sense, and are making accusations about people that can be termed LEGALLY libelous. 

You accused me of killing people.  Do you think that such a statement is productive?

BOTTOM line is Kari made a flawed comment which was rejected.  If he doesn't wish to accept what caribj, JB,redux, and Mr T say on this he is welcome.

NOW BOTH of you are busing like a bunch enraged hoes who didn't get paid.  Clearly you all know that you have lost the argument.

Now wouldn't it be better to say that yes you acknowledge, given that realities of Guyana that some black people might interpret this as black people groveling to Indians, but these are the ideas that you have to prevent people from getting the impression.

No.  You prefer to call me a murderer.

According to you every blackman is guilty of killing and stealing ballot boxes. Did you not say an apolgy by the PNC will be an apology for every blackman. Aren't you a blackman? According to you THEN THERE IS BLOOD IN YOUR HANDS.

No it is according to EVERY INDIAN.

Black people are punishing in Guyana.  WHY?  Because of BURNHAM.

So carry your so and so if you think that most GUYANESE will not see this as blacks apologizing to Indians.  Blacks upset by this, and Indian reveling in it, just as they have been reveling in punishing black people because of BURNHAM.  Yes as so many scream "ahbe pan tap, black man time DONE"!

You need to talk to those blacks who have had to go find work in Barbados and St Kitts and Antigua, because people have told them that it isn't Burnham days so they will not get hired/promoted!  BLACK, so they get punished because of the PNC.

Chief let me help you rephrase that.  In the eyes of most Indians most black people are guilty of killing, raping, or condoning the killing and raping of Indians.  So since 1992 they have exacted what they see as revenge.  Not against PNC officials, most of whom are doing perfectly fine.

But against ordinary BLACK people. Oh yes "ahbe pan tap, black man time DONE".  "why you think you will get a job, here.  Burnham time DONE?"

Ask yourself, with all the weaknesses of the PNC, why they get the resounding majority of the black AND MIXED votes?  Do you really think that anybody thinks that the PNC is any less corrupt, or more competent than the PPP rule.  No they are FRUSTRATED with the daily ethnic triumphalism that they must deal with from the 3% of the Indian population who think that the OWN Guyana and who intend to do every thing within their power to ensure that this remains so!

Kari still busing.

Why not raise solid arguments with Gilbakka?.  He does NOT agree with you either, and he is a PPP man who probably does deserve an apology, given that he was in the trenches during the Burnham dictatorship.

No you and chief prefer to engage in buse down with me.  Chief even calling people "stink mouth", and screaming that they have blood on their hands.

Guys, cease as you are really embarrassing yourself.

Now run along and dialogue with Gilbakka, who is Indian, was an active PPP member, and who says that an apology is a waste of time?

CaribJ

 I want to make a few points  to you.

In my heart of heart an apology by the PNC is not an apology of blacks to Indians. Mr Burnham created his own Kingdom with the help of  some very smart and intelligent Indians. Every Guyanese was affected when Burnham stole the the ballots year after year. 

Finally, Iam not saying that the PNC MUST MAKE AN APOLOGY, ALL iAM SAYING IS AN APOLOGY WILL ASSIST THEM TO MOVE FOWARD.

Good night on this topic!!

Chief you might think that the one sided apology isn't about blacks groveling, but many blacks and Indians will think so.

Because of this I suggest that you come up with other ideas about strengthening the PNC and the AFC so that they can become a more effective opposition.  I have already shared several.

Apologies isn't it, and as you can see I wasn't the only one opposed to it.  Even Gilbakka doesn't see the point either.  I note that neither you nor Kari attacked his post on this subject.

Had the PNC apologized 20 years ago, before the PPP has developed its own sordid track record, this might have been appropriate, but that opportunity was lost long ago.  Since the PPP decided to sanction the extra judicial killing of hundreds of blacks, some definitely criminals, but some also innocent people, guilty of only being black.

BOTH have blood on their hands.  BOTH remain race based.  BOTH remain powerful because they retain the support of most of their core racial group.  BOTH enjoy this because of the many hurts that BOTH major racial groups have.

It's not a matter of attacking, what more can be said to Gilbacka that was said in our arguments to you?

Well you did get quite abusive, but I understand in the heat of the moment things can get out of hand.

I know that you and Kari meant well but your idea is 20 years too late.  And indeed after Trotman apologized, and was forced out for doing this, and not being able to obtain black votes beyond the urban middle class either.

Gilbakka's informed and eloquent response [ABOVE] to the ill-conceived, Kari/Chief/Ksazma apology nonsense should be the last word on this topic

but the dankey riding hypocrites soldier on . . . gambling (hoping?) that their intended 'audience' can't tell the difference between the mangy Robb Street critter they're riding and a thoroughbred

ego? shame? clueless? pathological? stupid? all of these? . . . take your pick

Peace out Bro!!

Good afternoon Redux, how was your day?

I am still in my office, some donkeys still have to work.

Asking the PNC for an apology is tantamount to asking them to  plead guilty to rigging elections, discriminating against non-Africans, destroying the economy, and leaving the nation with legacy of racial bitterness. They will not apologize since they never accepted any of the aforementioned charges. Kari can keep trying if he thinks that can help them attract Indians to the PNC. Already, he is being snobbed by the die-hards of the party.  Indians in Burnham and Hoyte governments served one purpose - to mislead the international public into believing that they the PNC was an inclusive party. We know it was nothing more than a facade to cover up the dirt and wrongs they were doing. It came to end in 1992.

Gilbakka made some very good statements for which I would concur.

You so really agree with Gilbakka and his opinion of the CONTEMPORARY PPP?

If so the rats are now beginning to flee the sinking ship, because Gilbakka didn't say anything nice about them.

He mentioned that thousands of Indians supported the PNC dictatorship. This is indisputable fact. 

How many of them still supported the PNC after 1992.  They had to survive and so they ran to drink milk, and soup, just as how some blacks are doing today by pretending that they support the PPP.

Just see how fast Lumumba, and even Kwame run away from the PPP if APNU were to win.

Gilbakka had other things to say about the PPP in its current form, it wasn't positive.  OK if you don't want to discuss it.

Why Indians like TK, Malcolm Harripaul, Kari, and others are now running with the PNC?

Clearly NOT because the PNC has any soup for them.  You forgot that they are so broke that they have to sell off some of their land!

So what is this?

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Gilly, an apology does a statement not make. It's the other things, like outreach and fighting in Parliament for the poor and putting the vast organization of the PNC to work like Hamas does in Gaza, that an apology does maketh.

We've already mentioned the architects of a lot of what Burnham did being Indians and some who wrote the damn constitution.

BTW we do not live with the British. We live with  the PNC - like we do with other parties and people actually in Guyana. The whites are not living there and we don't have to deal with them politically, so contrasting a PNC "Apology" with us not asking for a white apology over the indentureship period is...well.....

hehehehehehe informed and eloquent indeed.....hehehehe....

If they are broke and there is no more soup left in the pot what's the motivation behind their new found love for the PNC?

      hahahahahaha................

hehehehehe.............

Just for the record - I am not a member of, or a supporter of any political party in Guyana. I am a Guyanese-American - an American citizen and proud of it born and raised in Guyana and proud of it. I always try to raise the level of our people - political or otherwise. I ain't tribal or partisan. when we have poor stewardship you have to call it out. You have to analyze ir and look for better ways.

Kari,

How are you doing with getting the "Decent boy Granger' to apologize for the PNC's past?  Are you getting anywhere?

Now compare that to accusing me of being mentally imbalanced.

Isn't it obvious (that you're mentally imbalanced) when you read my response to Gilly and first ask me to engage him and now you admit I responded to him by asking "Now compare that to accusing me of being mentally imbalanced"? The "that" being my response. You trapped yourself.

Actually you didn't say much of importance there.  Its just that your tone was civil when it was abusive from the beginning with me, redux, and stormborn.

Continue to buse like a hoe who didn't get paid.

CaribJ,

Why are you of the mindset that eveyr Indian who is in the PNC AND EVERY BLACK WHO IS IN THE ppp IS THERE FOR THE SOUP?

Man cannot live on bread only you need soup to go with it and some eggs would nice now and then.

All I need to do is look at the Burnham thugs who are now with the PPP.  Do you think that Kit Nascimento, Lumumba, Norman McLean and others are with the PPP because they think that it is good for Guyana?

If APNU wins tomorrow the rats will be scurrying back as fast as they can.

Do not paint everyone with the same brush.

There are blacks who started with the PPP and died as  PPP. There are Indians who belonged to the PNC for the longest while and some are still there. 

Very few of them, and you know this.