Chief posted:

ksazma posted:

skeldon_man posted:

Chief posted:

 

Today is indeed a sad day on GNI , I have seen all kinds of bigotry but this one takes the cake!

 

It's a sad day because she is a Muslim. If this girl was a Hindu wearing a Sari and she was being criticized for her outfit, you would have been standing in line to do the bashing too.

When has anyone especially a Guyanese bash someone for wearing a sari?

These guys are like glass .

Chief, you as a Muslim would bash her. You only lookout for your kind. You said your wife wears a sari, wonder why? Why not a hijab or burka?

caribny posted:

ksazma posted:

caribny posted:

ksazma posted:

Likewise others have as much right to make laws suitable to them .

Did Saudi and Iranian women tell you that they want to be covered head to toe.  I can cite reasons of hygiene and climate for wearing clothes.  Now what reason, apart from religion, can one enforce people covering themselves from head to toe.

And the question still remains.  Why does some one have to dress like an Arab to consider themselves to be a true Muslim.  Why is the Muslim woman who dresses in a manner more appropriate to Guyana's hot and humid climate made to feel that she is immodest, and even depraved?  Whose cultural standards are being used to determine this?

 

When you all condone the Wahhabi-ization of Islam and then others go hole hog, honor killings and all.  And they use Islam to justify all of this.....why be shocked when others think poorly of Islam which doesn't prevent this?

You just committed yourself to circular reasoning. You are on your own with that one.

Really.  Is it circular reasoning to suggest that Muslim women who dress like Arabs, when they are NOT Arabs, because they feel compelled to do so?  Either because they are harassed if they don't, or have been told that in order to be a "good" Muslim they must?

I think that it is possible to be a good Muslim without being embedded in Arab culture, or if that isn't the case then Islam is in SERIOUS trouble.

And why the straw man of nudity.  You mean one must be covered from head to toe with only the face showing, or one must be nude?  YOU are the one introducing a false equivalency here.

That girl needs to know that she can dress according to Guyanese norms and still be a good Muslim.  I don't know how she manages given the humidity, and the fact that I bet where she lives isn't air conditioned.

This is what happens when you answer a question addressed to someone else. The nudity question was addressed to Stormy since he mentioned people being born naked. Don't know why you think it was a straw man question. The rest of your post is going around in circles where you and I don't have a place of reconciliation since you are addressing what others ask of others while I am addressing a person choosing to do something.

Lastly, the humidity is nonsense since I never heard any Muslim woman in Guyana complain about being affected by humidity. I live in HOT South Florida and the landscape workers here wear complete covering in that HOT sun. They even cover their entire head and face from the heat.  

Congratulations to the young sister Fatima. Hopefully when she gets older she will consider a nice young East Indian Muslim boy as husband material. 

Congratulations to the other youngsters also.

Prashad posted:

Congratulations to the young sister Fatima. Hopefully when she gets older she will consider a nice young East Indian Muslim boy as husband material. 

Congratulations to the other youngsters also.

 

Agreed.

Sister Fatima should marry a Nice Indo Boy and make a very happy family.

She is intelligent enough to figure that out herself. 

ksazma posted:

Stormborn posted:

RiffRaff posted:

btw, I think the bikini clad women fully liberated

I say Allah O Akbar when I see them play

Yea!!!! We were not born with clothes and most native people do not have the taboo of covering up least the man be tempted. They do not suffer countless rapes for it.

Stormy, do you support people walking in public in their birthday suit?

Why would I care? I am Amerindian and we have no hang up. I also lived in Denmark for a year as a young man so I grasp the absurdity of worrying about naked people a long time ago.

Stormborn posted:

ksazma posted:

Stormborn posted:

RiffRaff posted:

btw, I think the bikini clad women fully liberated

I say Allah O Akbar when I see them play

Yea!!!! We were not born with clothes and most native people do not have the taboo of covering up least the man be tempted. They do not suffer countless rapes for it.

Stormy, do you support people walking in public in their birthday suit?

Why would I care? I am Amerindian and we have no hang up. I also lived in Denmark for a year as a young man so I grasp the absurdity of worrying about naked people a long time ago.

Sorry dude but I am proud to say Iman have a "hang up"

I will always remember taking the last of my massage certificate testing. I worked on a..ahem...very healthy German lady and after the session was over and about to step away, the woman...ahem...healthy..I mean..healthy woman just tossed the sheets offfffff...can u say...cain had a "hang up?" See storm, dats my typea hangup.

I walked outside the room to the muffled sounds of laughter coming from the women who had already done their sessions. Ah turned hangup red.

BIG UP to the youth, as Nike says, Just do it, yeah.

Stormborn posted:

ksazma posted:

Stormborn posted:

Yea!!!! We were not born with clothes and most native people do not have the taboo of covering up least the man be tempted. They do not suffer countless rapes for it.

Stormy, do you support people walking in public in their birthday suit?

Why would I care? I am Amerindian and we have no hang up. I also lived in Denmark for a year as a young man so I grasp the absurdity of worrying about naked people a long time ago.

Thank you sir. You don't care about public nor do I care. But we live in a society which does and they have laws against it which comes with penalties for violating them. Now I am on your side regarding the punishment and force of but I don't stand in the way of anyone who freely chooses to dress a particular way even if you think that they are doing it because of a silly religious belief. Because I can be considered a germaphobe, I don't eat and drink outside my house without some degree of concern, I would not be opened to the communion drink for instance. However, I will not tell those people that it is a silly religious practice.

ksazma posted:

 I don't stand in the way of anyone who freely chooses to dress a particular way even if you think that they are doing it because of a silly religious belief.

So you are calling Islam silly?  Because these people are told that they must become Arabs to be true Muslims.   So we have Arab tribal customs embedded in Islam, and then justified by Islam.  Honor killings being an example.

caribny posted:

ksazma posted:

 I don't stand in the way of anyone who freely chooses to dress a particular way even if you think that they are doing it because of a silly religious belief.

So you are calling Islam silly?  Because these people are told that they must become Arabs to be true Muslims.   So we have Arab tribal customs embedded in Islam, and then justified by Islam.  Honor killings being an example.

You do have a very strange way of processing information. I never called Islam silly. Like Trump, you do need a reboot as you are all over the place forgetting how to reconnect thoughts expressed on this topic over the past few days. Arab customs are not embedded in Islam nor do Islam justify them. Honor killing is not an Islamic tenet. Do yourself a favor and read the Qur'an and the ahadiths that support it. Female children were buried alive in Arabia prior to Muhammad and he stopped it during his lifetime. The Qur'an has a passage about this where it says rhetorically that on the day of judgement those female children buried alive would ask their parents "what was the crime I committed to have that punishment"? Know some background before you opine. Islam in the 7th century raised the status of women which they did not have before even though the world already had Christianity for some 600 years. Women in Islam had the right to own their own property not enjoyed before. But it appears that you prefer to mix everything into one pot although you are not willing to bunch the words and actions of the BLM people with the rest of America's backs. Strangely though you seem inclined to use Elijah Mohammed and Louis Farah Khan's words and actions as examples of all of Islam and Muslim beliefs. Truthfully, I don't care to have any further discourses with you about Islam and Muslim beliefs since you don't see to have a genuine approach to them. Have a nice day.

ksazma posted:

caribny posted:

ksazma posted:

 I don't stand in the way of anyone who freely chooses to dress a particular way even if you think that they are doing it because of a silly religious belief.

So you are calling Islam silly?  Because these people are told that they must become Arabs to be true Muslims.   So we have Arab tribal customs embedded in Islam, and then justified by Islam.  Honor killings being an example.

You do have a very strange way of processing information. I never called Islam silly. Like Trump, you do need a reboot as you are all over the place forgetting how to reconnect thoughts expressed on this topic over the past few days. Arab customs are not embedded in Islam nor do Islam justify them. Honor killing is not an Islamic tenet. Do yourself a favor and read the Qur'an and the ahadiths that support it. Female children were buried alive in Arabia prior to Muhammad and he stopped it during his lifetime. The Qur'an has a passage about this where it says rhetorically that on the day of judgement those female children buried alive would ask their parents "what was the crime I committed to have that punishment"? Know some background before you opine. Islam in the 7th century raised the status of women which they did not have before even though the world already had Christianity for some 600 years. Women in Islam had the right to own their own property not enjoyed before. But it appears that you prefer to mix everything into one pot although you are not willing to bunch the words and actions of the BLM people with the rest of America's backs. Strangely though you seem inclined to use Elijah Mohammed and Louis Farah Khan's words and actions as examples of all of Islam and Muslim beliefs. Truthfully, I don't care to have any further discourses with you about Islam and Muslim beliefs since you don't see to have a genuine approach to them. Have a nice day.

You need to understand this.  I am NOT a member of the BLM.  They can do as they wish. 

YOU are a Muslim, so when another Muslim has a "silly belief" and then acts on that "silly belief" to destroy the image of Islam then it begins to affect YOU as a Muslim.

I really couldn't care less about some ancient history.  I care about 2016. It is a fact that the religion which has done the most damage to the progress of women is Islam.

Why are Guyanese Muslim men not made to feel that they should wear the robes and head attire of Arabs, but many Muslim women feel that to be true Muslims they must?

Seems like double standards to me.

I have no interest in reading the Koran.  Given the behavior of many Muslim clerics, and of Muslim nations like Iran and Saudi Arabia. who justify their savagery based on the Koran I see no reason why I should.  How is the Koran stopping them from using the Koran to breed hatred and violence?