@Ramakant-P posted:

They should disqualify the vote which turn out to be from dead people or migrants.

They have to provide the evidence and so far the majority of the so call dead is alive. It’s also illegal to obtain someone dead certificate without their consent, we saw a legal notice was send to APNU/ AFC with intent for suing. 

In regards to the migrants, it’s not illegal to return and vote.. I did it. 

It is impossible to vote twice and vote for someone else. How can someone bypass -

1. The folio with your photo.

2. The ink on your finger.

3. 4 GECOM staff.

4. The agent from each political parties stationed in the  polling station.
5. Police ranks.

6. Local and overseas observers. 

Tell me how you can bribe all these people and APNU/ AFC did not express any concern until now... but they claimed the election was FREE and FAIR. 

@Former Member posted:

They have to provide the evidence and so far the majority of the so call dead is alive. It’s also illegal to obtain someone dead certificate without their consent, we saw a legal notice was send to APNU/ AFC with intent for suing. In regards to the migrants, it’s not illegal to return and vote.. I did it.It is impossible to vote twice and vote for someone else. How can someone bypass -

1. The folio with your photo.

2. The ink on your finger.

3. 4 GECOM staff.

4. The agent from each political parties stationed in the  polling station.
5. Police ranks.

6. Local and overseas observers.

Tell me how you can bribe all these people and APNU/ AFC did not express any concern until now... but they claimed the election was FREE and FAIR. 

People can be compromised ,the recount is proving irregularity everyday . It;s not new ,looks it was happening in past elections.

History repeating itself with same old PNC trickery. On Election Day 1973 Gilbakka turned up at Uitvlugt Scots School to vote. He travelled from Georgetown where he was working and renting a room.

An official at the desk named Cheryl Sampson told Gilbakka he voted already. She pointed to a pencil line across Gilbakka's name on the voters list. Gilbakka denied voting already. She said Gilbakka voted overseas. Gilbakka said he was residing in Georgetown and never went overseas. The Presiding Officer, an old gentleman, stood nearby. Gilbakka put his case to the old man who instructed Cheryl Sampson to let Gilbakka vote.

The same Cheryl Sampson lived only a stone's throw from my father's home. She could easily have asked my parents or sisters where I was living. 

Of note, Cheryl Sampson later became a PNC parliamentarian and Head of the PNC women's arm WRSM after Viola Burnham died.

This should be the 4th time I am mentioning in this Forum how the PNC nearly disenfranchised me. They are still entrenched in their old dirty ways. They want to nullify PPP/C votes by alleging that those voters were living overseas on March 2. In reality many folks these days are relocating from their traditional villages to other parts of Guyana. THEIR VOTES MUST BE COUNTED.

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@Former Member posted:

Joke For The Year
According To APNU/AFC List
My Husband Is Dead But He Still
Went And Vote .

So PPP Come
To Verify He Come Out The Grave
Let Take Out His Photo That He
Is Alive . 

Image removed

Dave ,

this guy is my family ,doesn't want International fame ,so i will have to remove his image from the forum. He was mechanic on one of Ramotar brother ship ,there was a serious accident ,where he was burnt badly and survived years ago.

I know he is alive ,we talked earlier in the year.

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PPP threatens Court action if GECOM probes claims of β€œdead voting”

PPP threatens Court action if GECOM probes claims of β€œdead voting”

Source

May 28 2020

PPP Candidate and Attorney Anil Nandlall told reporters outside the Arthur Chung Convention Centre that any move by GECOM to investigate the claims being made during the recount would be illegal and he believes the Court will stop it.

The People’s Progressive Party this evening threatened that the Guyana Elections Commission could face Court action if it makes any move to investigate the claims that votes were cast for persons who are dead and persons who were out of the country at the 2nd March elections.

PPP Candidate and Attorney Anil Nandlall told reporters outside the Arthur Chung Convention Centre that any move by GECOM to investigate the claims being made during the recount would be illegal and he believes the Court will stop it. 

β€œNo, not it will not happen, the Court will stop it. Look, anytime the Commission acts outside of its legal powers, the Court will be there to correct it”, Nandlall said.

Asked what would be the PPP’s position if it is found that ballots were cast for persons who are dead or were out of the country on elections day, Mr. Nandlall said β€œthe PPP has nothing to hide, but the PPP will not participate in an illegal exercise, if GECOM goes down a road that GECOM has no power to travel and wants to perform functions that GECOM has no lawful right or power to perform, then the PPP will not participate in that exercise”.

The APNU+AFC Coalition has been making objections to a number of votes during the recount and has been claiming that votes were cast for persons who died and persons who were out of the country on elections day. The Coalition has promised to provide the Elections Commission with evidence to support its claims, including death certificates and possible travel records.

          GECOM Chair – Justice Claudette Singh

But Mr. Nandlall said such issues would be best dealt with in an election petition and not by the Commission. He said the Commission cannot interfere with a single vote and would have to hear from every person whose vote might be affected and therefore that is why he believes it is an issue for the Court and not GECOM.

The Coalition has argued that as part of the recount of votes, the Elections Commission has set credibility as part of the order and therefore it believes that GECOM must probe the claims if it wants to establish credibility or the lack of credibility.




Looks like the Courts will be involved in the dead voting, the circus continues.

@Django posted:

PPP threatens Court action if GECOM probes claims of β€œdead voting”

PPP threatens Court action if GECOM probes claims of β€œdead voting”

Source

May 28 2020

PPP Candidate and Attorney Anil Nandlall told reporters outside the Arthur Chung Convention Centre that any move by GECOM to investigate the claims being made during the recount would be illegal and he believes the Court will stop it.

The People’s Progressive Party this evening threatened that the Guyana Elections Commission could face Court action if it makes any move to investigate the claims that votes were cast for persons who are dead and persons who were out of the country at the 2nd March elections.

PPP Candidate and Attorney Anil Nandlall told reporters outside the Arthur Chung Convention Centre that any move by GECOM to investigate the claims being made during the recount would be illegal and he believes the Court will stop it. 

β€œNo, not it will not happen, the Court will stop it. Look, anytime the Commission acts outside of its legal powers, the Court will be there to correct it”, Nandlall said.

Asked what would be the PPP’s position if it is found that ballots were cast for persons who are dead or were out of the country on elections day, Mr. Nandlall said β€œthe PPP has nothing to hide, but the PPP will not participate in an illegal exercise, if GECOM goes down a road that GECOM has no power to travel and wants to perform functions that GECOM has no lawful right or power to perform, then the PPP will not participate in that exercise”.

The APNU+AFC Coalition has been making objections to a number of votes during the recount and has been claiming that votes were cast for persons who died and persons who were out of the country on elections day. The Coalition has promised to provide the Elections Commission with evidence to support its claims, including death certificates and possible travel records.

          GECOM Chair – Justice Claudette Singh

But Mr. Nandlall said such issues would be best dealt with in an election petition and not by the Commission. He said the Commission cannot interfere with a single vote and would have to hear from every person whose vote might be affected and therefore that is why he believes it is an issue for the Court and not GECOM.

The Coalition has argued that as part of the recount of votes, the Elections Commission has set credibility as part of the order and therefore it believes that GECOM must probe the claims if it wants to establish credibility or the lack of credibility.




Looks like the Courts will be involved in the dead voting, the circus continues.

The circus parade is teaming APNU/AFC clowns. If y’all win the election why raise the dead? To prove what? 

Response To Attorney at Law Glenn Hannoman's Indecent Attack On The Registrar General Of Guyana Re Issuance Of Death Certificates
Dear Counsel:
Your purported legal letter of May 28, 2020, to Mr. Louis Crawford, the Registrar of Guyana, is stunning and embarrassing to the legal fraternity in Guyana and the Commonwealth jurisprudence. Actually, your letter resembles a press statement regurgitated from the words of leader of Opposition, Mr. Bharrat Jagdeo. It is so highly fallacious and barren in the law, that it incompetently labours, but fails, to tender the law which was purportedly breached by the alleged issuance of a death certificate.
Counsel sought to rely on sections 33(1) and 33(5) of the Access to Information Act of 2018. However, this piece of legislation is not applicable to documents such as death, birth, marriage and Police Character certificates (clearance). Also included in this category are passports, post mortem (autopsy) reports and even Certificates of Good Standing issued by the Registrar of the High Court to lawyers. The media in Guyana, and Attorneys, rely on post mortem reports everyday to ascertain the cause of death of citizens. They also acquire death certificates via the process prescribed by law.
Mr. Hanoman you are aware that when a person dies, the body immediately becomes the property of the State until it is handed over to the family for burial. Counsel is also aware that under the Coroners Act, a post mortem must be conducted where a person dies suddenly, violently or accidentally, and that the post mortem examination and report are always open to the public. Consequently, death under the laws of Guyana and the international community, is not a private matter, and NO burial or cause of death can remain a secret under law.
The Evidence Act of Guyana, as counsel would have read numerous times, specifically treats a death certificate as a matter of PUBLIC RECORD. It is not a private document such as a mortgage contract with a Bank, a Bill of Sale for a vehicle or someone's medical records at a hospital or medical practitioner. As stated above, the fact of death is a public matter, and every citizen have the right to know why and how one of their community members died.
This is a matter of law and counsel would have, on numerous occasions, examined or cross examined government pathologists to ascertain the cause of death of persons during criminal trials, which are always conducted in open with the media present in Court. Public Records such as a death certificate is accessible by anyone in accordance with the Laws of Guyana Chapter 44:01, Section 49. As an Attorney-at-Law, you are very well aware that the legal clerk in your office can attend to the Birth and Death Registry at any time, fill out the requite Form, pay the fee, and obtain a Death Certificate for a perfect stranger. Lawyers across Guyana do this on a weekly basis for their clients, who, are usually outside of Guyana.
This is why your attack on the Registrar General is most unprofessional and unbecoming of an Attorney-at-Law. Counsel is aware that the Registrar of Births and Deaths hold a Public Office and performs a public function under law. Counsel is also well trained to know that where the Registrar acts contrary to law, the recourse is by way of Judicial Review and not what appears to be a lawyer's letter deliberately leaked to the media before reaching the Registrar. Did counsel deliberately ignore the very Act which deals with Death Certificates by placing in the public domain the very information he claims is private?
Section 37 of the Registration of Births and Deaths Act provides that upon the registration of the death of a person, the General Register of Deaths will remain open and accessible as a matter of Public Record to all citizens. The Registrar of Births and Deaths performs a similar function to the Registrar of Deeds and the Registrar of Lands. Every Guyanese is aware that the Transport Register and the Land Register, like the General Register of Births and Deaths, are open to any member of the public desirous of examining the content of same and obtaining copies upon the payment of the requisite fee. The Registration of Births and Deaths Act provides no offence where a Death certificate is issued; except where it is fake.
Moreover, no right thinking Guyanese would come to the conclusion that the cause of death of Ms. Ramdass is a genetic problem affecting her family. We all had a close family member who died from some kind of sickness; but that does not mean that the remainder of our family will similarly be affected. If counsel has a problem with this law, he must challenge it in the courts or raise his concerns with the legislature, which enacted the law.
Further, Counsel's reliance on the Access to Information Act (ATIA) to attack the Registrar General because of opposition, politics is nothing more than reckless, appalling and an outright abuse on the office of the Registrar. The ATIA was promulgated, and is applicable, where no existing procedure is available to access public records.This included reasons for the decisions of the National Tender Board in awarding a contract. However, under the Registration of Births and Deaths Act, detailed procedures and Forms are provided for the access to information including a Death Certificate.
On this basis, it is hard to understand why Counsel would dishonesty attempt to forge an ATIA procedures into the Registration of Births and Deaths Act. This must have been an error oh his part, or a deliberate fallacy in reasoning, aimed at inciting fear in the office of the Registrar, under the guise of a purported reckless indifference by that office for the ATIA mandatory procedures that were ignored.
Counsel must be aware that the ATIA speaks of accountability and transparency in decision making by State actors. The Registrar of Births and Deaths is not a decision maker to which transparency and accountability as envisage under the ATIA is applicable. The Registrar of Births and deaths enter, keep and provide records relating to Births and Deaths. A refusal to grant a Birth or Death Certificate is amenable to Judicial Review and not criminal action or breach of law as counsel purports.
The family of the deceased must indeed be in great pain to read and hear the publication of their relative's name in the media; especially the circumstances under which the publication is done. Counsel has now aggravated this suffering with his spurious letter. However, when the Registry issues a document, the staff are performing a public law function. If that document is then used in bad faith or even with criminal intent, counsel is aware that the course of redress is not a legal letter to a public servant, but rather a report to the police or take civil action in the courts against the perpetrator of the bad act.
Finally, as to counsel's three (3) requests, the Registry has no legal authority to disclose the information of an applicant for a death certificate; albeit, the application records remain a matter of public record.Similar, the Act does not envisage or permit the disclosure of copies of the receipts and any other particulars relating to the applicant. Hence, Counsel stop inventing stuff in his attempt to bully the Registrar General. It is "infra dig" the legal profession.
Instead of threatening Public servants with purported lawyer's letter laced with political rhetoric, Counsel would best utilize his words and pen in a letter the the Commissioner of Information for access to the said records, an application which is bound to fail since there is no basis upon which counsel wants the said information.
Moreover, if the political opposition, who's interests Counsel seem to be representing, has nothing to hide, why would they go this far to attempt to intimate and block an investigation by GECOM of allegations of electoral fraud? An innocent party should welcome an investigation to exonerate it from criminal charges, not undermine or suppress it as Counsel is attempting to do, and at which he will fail.
Richard Millington
Attorney at Law
Board Member of the Caribbean Guyana Institute for Democracy (CGID)
Mr. Glen Hannoman's letter is attached
@Gilbakka posted:

History repeating itself with same old PNC trickery. On Election Day 1973 Gilbakka turned up at Uitvlugt Scots School to vote. He travelled from Georgetown where he was working and renting a room.

An official at the desk named Cheryl Sampson told Gilbakka he voted already. She pointed to a pencil line across Gilbakka's name on the voters list. Gilbakka denied voting already. She said Gilbakka voted overseas. Gilbakka said he was residing in Georgetown and never went overseas. The Presiding Officer, an old gentleman, stood nearby. Gilbakka put his case to the old man who instructed Cheryl Sampson to let Gilbakka vote.

The same Cheryl Sampson lived only a stone's throw from my father's home. She could easily have asked my parents or sisters where I was living. 

Of note, Cheryl Sampson later became a PNC parliamentarian and Head of the PNC women's arm WRSM after Viola Burnham died.

This should be the 4th time I am mentioning in this Forum how the PNC nearly disenfranchised me. They are still entrenched in their old dirty ways. They want to nullify PPP/C votes by alleging that those voters were living overseas on March 2. In reality many folks these days are relocating from their traditional villages to other parts of Guyana. THEIR VOTES MUST BE COUNTED.

I accompanied my father to the poll on that day and witnessed the official telling my father that he had already voted by proxy.  My father then inquired about my grandfather who had died the previous year and when it was checked, my dead grandfather also voted.

I also remember us talking to a family friend at the polling station who lost his life that night while transporting ballot boxes in his employers vehicle.

There was a wonderful article that was posted here a few years ago by Sunil describing the incident.

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@Django posted:

Dave ,

this guy is my family ,doesn't want International fame ,so i will have to remove his image from the forum. He was mechanic on one of Ramotar brother ship ,there was a serious accident ,where he was burnt badly and survived years ago.

I know he is alive ,we talked earlier in the year.

Look story hay.... PNC killing yo family bhai, this is more than eye pass..BTW, his wife posted the image on social media. 

It's GECOM's responsibilty to bury the dead.  

It was also the Coalition Government's responsibility  to delete the names of the migrants from the Electoral Lists.

In the world of computers it is so damn easy to cross check the names of people who registered twice or thrice.

When the political parties demonstrated such degree of backwardness, what will you think of their followers?

@Ramakant-P posted:

It's GECOM's responsibilty to bury the dead.  

It was also the Coalition Government's responsibility  to delete the names of the migrants from the Electoral Lists.

In the world of computers it is so damn easy to cross check the names of people who registered twice or thrice.

When the political parties demonstrated such degree of backwardness, what will you think of their followers?

No GECOM responsibility to cleanse the voters list ,there should be handshake with Register of Birth and Deaths.

The law regarding Guyanese Immigrants who became Citizens of other countries right to vote in Guyana elections should be revisited.

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