Expired voters’ list should be revised, no need for “new” list – legal adviser tells GECOM

The Guyana Elections Commission’s (GECOM) Legal Officer, Excellence Dazzell has told the bipartisan seven-member body that the voters’ list that expired last month-end should be revised and the law does not provide for a new voters’ roll to be created, advice that at least one ruling coalition commissioner has condemned as an act of “deceit”.

The opinion, which was seen by Demerara Waves Online News, recommends that the electoral  commission advise the Commissioner of Registration, Keith Lowenfield, who is also the Chief Elections Officer, to set the machinery in place to extend the life of the voters’ list.

“I, therefore, advise that procedures be put in place to ensure the revision of the list, otherwise the commission would be acting in defiance of the law and may prejudice any by-election that may become necessary,” she told the GECOM Chairman, Commissioners and the Chief Elections Officer.

In her opinion, Attorney-at-law Dazzel does not see the need for a new voters’ list. “The use of the word “revise” suggests that the process is not one where a “new’ list is generated but one where the most recent list is updated or amended,” she said.

Her opinion, dated May 13, comes at a time when the Caribbean Court of Justice (CCJ) is preparing to hand down its decision on the validity of the December 21, 2018 no-confidence motion that might necessitate early general elections.

Pro-coalition elections commissioner, Desmond Trotman has since accused Dazzell of deceit, claiming that she had never before informed the Commission that she had drafted a legal opinion. Trotman and his two government-backed commissioner colleagues, Vincent Alexander, Charles Corbin, and GECOM Chairman James Pattterson have agreed that house-to-house registration must be conducted to extract a new voters’ list by November, 2019.

Trotman noted that the Opposition-backed elections commissioner, Bibi Shadick had long called for Dazzell to issue an opinion, but the Commission had never collectively decided that she should have done so.

Dazzell has said based on the law, the list must be updated twice per year by adding persons who are now qualified to be registered to that list and those who are no longer qualified to be taken off that list.

Shadick and fellow pro-Opposition commissioners, Sase Gunraj and  Robeson Benn, as well as their People’s Progressive Party, are opposed to house-to-house registration for a new voters’ list. GECOM’s move to conduct the registration has been challenged by an overseas-based Guyanese, through her lawyers who include Anil Nandlall of the PPP.

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yuji22 posted:
Dave posted:

ADMIN, HOW MANY TIMES THE SAME ARTICLE IS POSTED. 

 

Ronan suffering from fits again. Please admin, assist him. 

Ronan and Iguana reappear, what a coincidence.

ronan posted:

Freedom House oil money politricks by AMBUSH

preserving the FRAUDULENT voters list remains Jagdeo's bottom line . . . always has been

'Charandass' Ver. 2.0

PPP dark arts affiliates doin work . . . Pope London in clover!

What the fck.....

where is the chain 

 Full Moon May 18th

May 18
21:11 UTC

ronan posted:

Freedom House oil money politricks by AMBUSH

preserving the FRAUDULENT voters list remains Jagdeo's bottom line . . . always has been

'Charandass' Ver. 2.0

PPP dark arts affiliates doin work . . . Pope London in clover!

We cannot accept the absurd statistic that the list is some 33 percent in error. If it is it also does not mean it is fraudulent. It simply means it was not kept up as is required by law. We are supposed to have routine purging and continuous registration ( or so I was led to believe). The list can be out of kelter with census data if people emigrated or died. THere is also always some over lap since 16 years old can register. 

A prudent system would use the same list in the house to house registering. The person doing the register would be aided if they went to a home and recited who is supposed to be living there and check the answer. Often it would be the same since Guyanese do not move often even in urban centers. This would quicken the registration process. 

And Charrandas did absolutely nothing wrong if you look at it procedurally. It is what the constitution was interpreted to do until the recent reinterpretation to make the President king. Floor crossing was allowed and NCV did not need prior notification to "establish the legislator intends to vote against the list". That is abject nonsense. If that interpretation is allowed to stay; bye by any vestigial claim we have on democracy and welcome a de facto ethnic based  dictatorship.

Stormborn posted:
ronan posted:

Freedom House oil money politricks by AMBUSH

preserving the FRAUDULENT voters list remains Jagdeo's bottom line . . . always has been

'Charandass' Ver. 2.0

PPP dark arts affiliates doin work . . . Pope London in clover!

We cannot accept the absurd statistic that the list is some 33 percent in error. If it is it also does not mean it is fraudulent. It simply means it was not kept up as is required by law. We are supposed to have routine purging and continuous registration ( or so I was led to believe). The list can be out of kelter with census data if people emigrated or died. THere is also always some over lap since 16 years old can register. 

A prudent system would use the same list in the house to house registering. The person doing the register would be aided if they went to a home and recited who is supposed to be living there and check the answer. Often it would be the same since Guyanese do not move often even in urban centers. This would quicken the registration process. 

And Charrandas did absolutely nothing wrong if you look at it procedurally. It is what the constitution was interpreted to do until the recent reinterpretation to make the President king. Floor crossing was allowed and NCV did not need prior notification to "establish the legislator intends to vote against the list". That is abject nonsense. If that interpretation is allowed to stay; bye by any vestigial claim we have on democracy and welcome a de facto ethnic based  dictatorship.

i am not here to waste time re-litigating what is blazingly obvious to all sane about the PPP's tenacious, malign plotting and 'investments' (material and otherwise) on this matter except those most alienated for whatever reason(s)

other than a lame appeal to process, the case against house-to-house is laughably weak and, more to the point . . . desperate

why have you chosen not to address the legal malpractice of this (former?) cult member?

ronan posted:
Stormborn posted:
ronan posted:

Freedom House oil money politricks by AMBUSH

preserving the FRAUDULENT voters list remains Jagdeo's bottom line . . . always has been

'Charandass' Ver. 2.0

PPP dark arts affiliates doin work . . . Pope London in clover!

We cannot accept the absurd statistic that the list is some 33 percent in error. If it is it also does not mean it is fraudulent. It simply means it was not kept up as is required by law. We are supposed to have routine purging and continuous registration ( or so I was led to believe). The list can be out of kelter with census data if people emigrated or died. THere is also always some over lap since 16 years old can register. 

A prudent system would use the same list in the house to house registering. The person doing the register would be aided if they went to a home and recited who is supposed to be living there and check the answer. Often it would be the same since Guyanese do not move often even in urban centers. This would quicken the registration process. 

And Charrandas did absolutely nothing wrong if you look at it procedurally. It is what the constitution was interpreted to do until the recent reinterpretation to make the President king. Floor crossing was allowed and NCV did not need prior notification to "establish the legislator intends to vote against the list". That is abject nonsense. If that interpretation is allowed to stay; bye by any vestigial claim we have on democracy and welcome a de facto ethnic based  dictatorship.

i am not here to waste time re-litigating what is blazingly obvious to all sane about the PPP's tenacious, malign plotting and 'investments' (material and otherwise) on this matter except those most alienated for whatever reason(s)

other than a lame appeal to process, the case against house-to-house is laughably weak and, more to the point . . . desperate

why have you chosen not to address the legal malpractice of this (former?) cult member?

I have not seen him doing anything wrong...that is without the full complicity of the entire legislative body. Dual citizens have been in parliament from time immemorial. It is not soapbox to stand on. That dual citizenship is being debated it is a  about clutching straws. The only way to avoid a  successful NCV would be to nit pick  and backtrack on what both parties tacitly agreed to  previously               

Stormborn posted:
ronan posted:
Stormborn posted:
ronan posted:

Freedom House oil money politricks by AMBUSH

preserving the FRAUDULENT voters list remains Jagdeo's bottom line . . . always has been

'Charandass' Ver. 2.0

PPP dark arts affiliates doin work . . . Pope London in clover!

We cannot accept the absurd statistic that the list is some 33 percent in error. If it is it also does not mean it is fraudulent. It simply means it was not kept up as is required by law. We are supposed to have routine purging and continuous registration ( or so I was led to believe). The list can be out of kelter with census data if people emigrated or died. THere is also always some over lap since 16 years old can register. 

A prudent system would use the same list in the house to house registering. The person doing the register would be aided if they went to a home and recited who is supposed to be living there and check the answer. Often it would be the same since Guyanese do not move often even in urban centers. This would quicken the registration process. 

And Charrandas did absolutely nothing wrong if you look at it procedurally. It is what the constitution was interpreted to do until the recent reinterpretation to make the President king. Floor crossing was allowed and NCV did not need prior notification to "establish the legislator intends to vote against the list". That is abject nonsense. If that interpretation is allowed to stay; bye by any vestigial claim we have on democracy and welcome a de facto ethnic based  dictatorship.

i am not here to waste time re-litigating what is blazingly obvious to all sane about the PPP's tenacious, malign plotting and 'investments' (material and otherwise) on this matter except those most alienated for whatever reason(s)

other than a lame appeal to process, the case against house-to-house is laughably weak and, more to the point . . . desperate

why have you chosen not to address the legal malpractice of this (former?) cult member?

I have not seen him doing anything wrong...that is without the full complicity of the entire legislative body. Dual citizens have been in parliament from time immemorial. It is not soapbox to stand on. That dual citizenship is being debated it is a  about clutching straws. The only way to avoid a  successful NCV would be to nit pick  and backtrack on what both parties tacitly agreed to  previously               

the “cult member” referenced is GECOM Counsel Excellence Dazzell

who is female

Stormborn posted:
ronan posted:

Freedom House oil money politricks by AMBUSH

preserving the FRAUDULENT voters list remains Jagdeo's bottom line . . . always has been

'Charandass' Ver. 2.0

PPP dark arts affiliates doin work . . . Pope London in clover!

And Charrandas did absolutely nothing wrong if you look at it procedurally.

It is what the constitution was interpreted to do until the recent reinterpretation to make the President king.

Floor crossing was allowed and NCV did not need prior notification to "establish the legislator intends to vote against the list". That is abject nonsense. If that interpretation is allowed to stay; bye by any vestigial claim we have on democracy and welcome a de facto ethnic based  dictatorship.

Look at the two amendments, there are conflicts. See attachment.

Also read this article

https://www.kaieteurnewsonline...ct-unconstitutional/

Attachments

Django posted:
Stormborn posted:
ronan posted:

Freedom House oil money politricks by AMBUSH

preserving the FRAUDULENT voters list remains Jagdeo's bottom line . . . always has been

'Charandass' Ver. 2.0

PPP dark arts affiliates doin work . . . Pope London in clover!

And Charrandas did absolutely nothing wrong if you look at it procedurally.

It is what the constitution was interpreted to do until the recent reinterpretation to make the President king.

Floor crossing was allowed and NCV did not need prior notification to "establish the legislator intends to vote against the list". That is abject nonsense. If that interpretation is allowed to stay; bye by any vestigial claim we have on democracy and welcome a de facto ethnic based  dictatorship.

Look at the two amendments, there are conflicts. See attachment.

Also read this article

https://www.kaieteurnewsonline...ct-unconstitutional/

DJ, CCJ will make its ruling and despite the outcome, we will have to respect it. 

yuji22 posted:
Django posted:
Stormborn posted:
ronan posted:

Freedom House oil money politricks by AMBUSH

preserving the FRAUDULENT voters list remains Jagdeo's bottom line . . . always has been

'Charandass' Ver. 2.0

PPP dark arts affiliates doin work . . . Pope London in clover!

And Charrandas did absolutely nothing wrong if you look at it procedurally.

It is what the constitution was interpreted to do until the recent reinterpretation to make the President king.

Floor crossing was allowed and NCV did not need prior notification to "establish the legislator intends to vote against the list". That is abject nonsense. If that interpretation is allowed to stay; bye by any vestigial claim we have on democracy and welcome a de facto ethnic based  dictatorship.

Look at the two amendments, there are conflicts. See attachment.

Also read this article

https://www.kaieteurnewsonline...ct-unconstitutional/

DJ, CCJ will make its ruling and despite the outcome, we will have to respect it. 

Article 156 of 1980 Constitution.


(1) A member of the National Assembly shall vacate his seat
therein ––
(a) if he resigns it by writing under his hand
addressed to the Speaker or, if the office of
Speaker is vacant or the Speaker is absent from
Guyana, to the Deputy Speaker:
Provided that, if the President certifies that the
member had resigned for the purpose of giving
further service to the public, member, if other-
wise qualified, shall be eligible to be re-elected to
the Assembly in accordance with any provision
made under article 63;


(b) if he is absent from the sittings of the Assembly
for such period, and in such circumstances, as
may be prescribed in the rules of procedure of
the Assembly;(c) if he ceases to be a citizen of Guyana;


(d) subject to the next following paragraph, if any
circumstances arise that, if he were not a
member of the Assembly, would cause him to be
disqualified for election as a member thereof by
virtue of the preceding article or of any law
enacted in pursuance thereof;


(e) in the circumstances and to the extent set out in
article 178 (4);


(f) in the case of a member who has been elected
pursuant to the provisions of article 61 or article
160 (2), whenever Parliament is dissolved;


(g) in the case of a member who has been elected
pursuant to the provisions of paragraph (3) or (4)
of article 60, but subject to the provisions of
subparagraph (h), whenever the body by which
he was elected is dissolved; or


(h) in the case of a member such as is referred to in
subparagraph (g) but who holds office as
Speaker, Deputy Speaker, Minister, Minority
Leader or Parliament Secretary, where the body
by which he was elected as such member is
dissolved at a time when Parliament is not
dissolved, immediately before the holding of any
election under the provisions of paragraph(3) or
(4) of article 60 in consequence of the dissolution
of that body or upon the occurrence of a
dissolution of Parliament, whichever shall occur
first.

(2) (a) If circumstances such as are referred to in
subparagraph (d) of the preceding paragraph
arise in relation to a member of the Assembly by
virtue of the fact that is adjudged to be of
unsound mind, sentenced to death or
imprisonment, or convicted or reported guilty of
an offence and if it is open to the member to
appeal against the decision (either with the leave
of a court or other without such leave), he shall
not vacate his seat until the expiration of a period
of thirty days thereafter:
Provided that the Speaker may, at the request of
the member, from time to time extend that periodfor further periods of thirty days to enable the member to pursue an appeal against the
decision, so, however, that extensions of time
exceeding in the aggregate one hundred and fifty
days shall not be given without the approval of
the Assembly signified by resolution.


(b) If, on the determination of any appeal, such
circumstances continue to exist and no further
appeal is open to the member of the Assembly,
or if, by reason of the expiration of any peri od for
entering an appeal or notice thereof or the refusal
of leave or for any other reason, it ceases to be
open to the member to appeal, he shall forthwith
vacate his seat.


(c) If at any time before the member of the Assembly
vacates his seat such that circumstances as
aforesaid cease to exist, his seat shall not
become vacant by reason of those
circumstances , and he may resume the
performance of his functions as a member of the
Assembly.


Agreed !!

Above is Article 156 of the 1980 Constitution before it was amended, one can see what was done with the amendment.

Django posted:
yuji22 posted:
Django posted:
Stormborn posted:
ronan posted:

Freedom House oil money politricks by AMBUSH

preserving the FRAUDULENT voters list remains Jagdeo's bottom line . . . always has been

'Charandass' Ver. 2.0

PPP dark arts affiliates doin work . . . Pope London in clover!

And Charrandas did absolutely nothing wrong if you look at it procedurally.

It is what the constitution was interpreted to do until the recent reinterpretation to make the President king.

Floor crossing was allowed and NCV did not need prior notification to "establish the legislator intends to vote against the list". That is abject nonsense. If that interpretation is allowed to stay; bye by any vestigial claim we have on democracy and welcome a de facto ethnic based  dictatorship.

Look at the two amendments, there are conflicts. See attachment.

Also read this article

https://www.kaieteurnewsonline...ct-unconstitutional/

DJ, CCJ will make its ruling and despite the outcome, we will have to respect it. 

Article 156 of 1980 Constitution.


(1) A member of the National Assembly shall vacate his seat
therein ––
(a) if he resigns it by writing under his hand
addressed to the Speaker or, if the office of
Speaker is vacant or the Speaker is absent from
Guyana, to the Deputy Speaker:
Provided that, if the President certifies that the
member had resigned for the purpose of giving
further service to the public, member, if other-
wise qualified, shall be eligible to be re-elected to
the Assembly in accordance with any provision
made under article 63;


(b) if he is absent from the sittings of the Assembly
for such period, and in such circumstances, as
may be prescribed in the rules of procedure of
the Assembly;(c) if he ceases to be a citizen of Guyana;


(d) subject to the next following paragraph, if any
circumstances arise that, if he were not a
member of the Assembly, would cause him to be
disqualified for election as a member thereof by
virtue of the preceding article or of any law
enacted in pursuance thereof;


(e) in the circumstances and to the extent set out in
article 178 (4);


(f) in the case of a member who has been elected
pursuant to the provisions of article 61 or article
160 (2), whenever Parliament is dissolved;


(g) in the case of a member who has been elected
pursuant to the provisions of paragraph (3) or (4)
of article 60, but subject to the provisions of
subparagraph (h), whenever the body by which
he was elected is dissolved; or


(h) in the case of a member such as is referred to in
subparagraph (g) but who holds office as
Speaker, Deputy Speaker, Minister, Minority
Leader or Parliament Secretary, where the body
by which he was elected as such member is
dissolved at a time when Parliament is not
dissolved, immediately before the holding of any
election under the provisions of paragraph(3) or
(4) of article 60 in consequence of the dissolution
of that body or upon the occurrence of a
dissolution of Parliament, whichever shall occur
first.

(2) (a) If circumstances such as are referred to in
subparagraph (d) of the preceding paragraph
arise in relation to a member of the Assembly by
virtue of the fact that is adjudged to be of
unsound mind, sentenced to death or
imprisonment, or convicted or reported guilty of
an offence and if it is open to the member to
appeal against the decision (either with the leave
of a court or other without such leave), he shall
not vacate his seat until the expiration of a period
of thirty days thereafter:
Provided that the Speaker may, at the request of
the member, from time to time extend that periodfor further periods of thirty days to enable the member to pursue an appeal against the
decision, so, however, that extensions of time
exceeding in the aggregate one hundred and fifty
days shall not be given without the approval of
the Assembly signified by resolution.


(b) If, on the determination of any appeal, such
circumstances continue to exist and no further
appeal is open to the member of the Assembly,
or if, by reason of the expiration of any peri od for
entering an appeal or notice thereof or the refusal
of leave or for any other reason, it ceases to be
open to the member to appeal, he shall forthwith
vacate his seat.


(c) If at any time before the member of the Assembly
vacates his seat such that circumstances as
aforesaid cease to exist, his seat shall not
become vacant by reason of those
circumstances , and he may resume the
performance of his functions as a member of the
Assembly.


Agreed !!

Above is Article 156 of the 1980 Constitution before it was amended, one can see what was done with the amendment.

Django, i think you will do a better job than Basil Williams. 

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