August 12 2019

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The response to Haitians arriving in Caribbean Community (CARICOM) countries has been lamentable at best and contemptible at worst. They have been treated, for the most part, as pariahs, particularly by the ignorant and bigoted.

Sir Ronald Sanders

Recently, in Guyana, the arrival of Haitians has been greeted with a hysteria that was evident in other parts of the region. Many alarmist remarks were made and reported in the media; among them that the Haitians would spread HIV/Aids and the practice of voodoo.Those who so glibly claimed that the Haitians would spread HIV/Aids obviously failed to recognise that the disease is not non-communicable. HIV is spread primarily by unprotected sex (including anal and oral sex), contaminated blood transfusions, hypodermic needles, and from mother to child during pregnancy, delivery, or breastfeeding.
HIV is not spread by air or water, mosquitoes, ticks or other insects, saliva, tears, or sweat that is not mixed with the blood of a person with HIV, shaking hands, sharing toilets, sharing dishes, silverware, or drinking glasses. Therefore, to contract HIV, there must be sexual relations with an infected person.The scaremongers, who make the claim about Haitians spreading HIV/Aids, are either ignorant of how the disease is spread, or simply regarded facts as an obstacle to their objectives.
Regarding the practice of voodoo, despite denigrating it, the purveyors appear to accord it greater powers than their own religions and practices. Yet there is no evidence, except in books of fiction and fanciful stories, that supports the capability of voodoo. Again, those who repeat these avowals are either ignorant of the facts or conveniently discard them in pursuit of their own purposes.
Beyond the science of these matters, the scaremongering about Haitians assumes that those who arrive in Caribbean countries fit into the narrative of disease-infected, devil-worshippers. The reality is that they are no more than persons who are fleeing very difficult economic circumstances in Haiti, in search of opportunities.
Caribbean people from all countries should understand that motivation. At times of economic decline in their own countries, nationals of every Caribbean country, without exception, have sought economic refuge in the United States, Canada, Europe and even nearby Latin American and Caribbean countries.
Guyanese particularly should empathise with prejudices against them, because they suffered them for years in the Caribbean. For close to five decades, until recently when Guyana’s wealth in oil and gas was unearthed, Guyanese were treated as unwelcome scoundrels with the worst possible labels ascribed to them, regardless of gender or race.
In any event, the only member state of CARICOM that should have a serious and legitimate concern about Haitian refugees is The Bahamas, which has been the recipient of boatloads of Haitians, trying to escape conditions in their own country.
Incidentally, this observation about The Bahamas in relation to Haitians should not obscure the fact that, while today it has to manage the Haitian refugee situation very carefully because it places a severe strain on its financial capacity and its economy, it has absorbed Haitians over many years – some of whom founded families that are now leading Bahamians.
Further, although it is a member of the Caribbean Community, The Bahamas, like Montserrat, was granted the right to opt out of certain of the requirements of the CARICOM Treaty, including freedom of movement of people. In this sense, The Bahamas is not a full member of CARICOM, and has no treaty obligation to allow freedom of entry of CARICOM nationals in any category
Therefore, CARICOM countries, other than The Bahamas and Montserrat, but including Guyana, are legally bound to grant CARICOM nationals the right to remain for a period of six months, provided they are not a security risk and they can demonstrate the ability not to become a charge upon the State during their stay. In principle, this right applies to Haitian nationals as well.
However, it should be noted that the governments of two CARICOM countries, Antigua and Barbuda and St Kitts-Nevis, were allowed to reserve their positions because, over the last four decades, they have been the recipients of a disproportionately large number of CARICOM nationals, and would be hard-pressed to accept any more who attempt to stay in the country illegally.
But to be clear, the right given to CARICOM nationals, including Haitians, to enter and remain for six months in another CARICOM country is not an unfettered right as explained earlier. It is also not a right to remain in the country illegally. Therefore, Haitians, like all other CARICOM nationals, who stay beyond the six-month period are liable for deportation.
Regrettably, unscrupulous persons in Haiti and elsewhere have deliberately twisted the rights accorded by the CARICOM Treaty, as adjudicated by the Caribbean Court of Justice (CCJ), to lure Haitians into believing that they can arrive in and remain in CARICOM countries to live and work.
In this connection, Barbados became a target of this illegal operation after its government, in what clearly it thought was fair-mindedness, chose to remove the necessity for Haitians to apply to enter Barbados. After reported incidents of abuse, the government announced that it “was compelled” to reinstitute the requirement for Haitians to have visas.
The Haitian people are vulnerable. They cannot be blamed for their shameless exploitation by bandits. They certainly do not deserve the prejudiced epithets that have been used to describe them by other Caribbean people.
The reality is that small CARICOM countries, already confronted with major economic challenges, cannot afford unchecked Haitian entry as refugees or to seek employment. After all, the unemployed of Haiti is estimated to be larger than the entire populations of all CARICOM countries combined.
It is against that reality that the entry of Haitians should be measured; it should not be judged by branding Haitians with false and unfair characterisations they do not deserve. Anyone who knows Haiti would know that the Haitians are a talented and creative people who struggle and survive despite terrible odds.

(The writer is Ambassador of Antigua and Barbuda to the United States and the Organisation of American States. He is also a Senior Fellow at the Institute of Commonwealth Studies at the University of London and at Massey College in the University of Toronto. The views expressed are entirely his own and do not necessarily reflect the opinions of this newspaper)

Responses and previous commentaries: www.sirronaldsanders.com

 
Original Post

 This fellow said "Therefore, CARICOM countries, other than The Bahamas and Montserrat, but including Guyana, are legally bound to grant CARICOM nationals the right to remain for a period of six months, provided they are not a security risk and they can demonstrate the ability not to become a charge upon the State during their stay. In principle, this right applies to Haitian nationals as well."

They are refugees, Guyana has 40 percent poverty, why and how they will not become a burden on the state? Barbados learnt its lesson from visa free passage. Guyana will soon...

 

Dave posted:

Politicians ( opposition) in Guyana say the Haitians is used for padding the voters list for PNC benefit. I did not see any opposition MP making references to Aids or Vodooo.  

He never mentioned or hinted about the opposition's concerns.

Almost every day in the Bahamas Haitians are forcefully packed on a boat and shipped back to Haiti.

Lets be clear, and avoid the various excuses offered of why we should or should not allow Haitians in. We have lots of lands but the Haitians do not want to go sharecropping. I do not mind putting them in the bush on their own land to open up the region. Haitians want to go to France or to NY. Any sojourn in Guyana is like a migratory bird stopping over to fatten up for the other leg of its travel to new pastures. We cannot accept more poor people. We got enough of our own. The PPP let in enough Cubans and Chinese to already change the character of the place. 

Insulting and demeaning the Haitians is not right.  However, Mr Sanders is off base.  The suspicion of the Haitians is not so much to do with them but mistrust in the intentions of the Coalition.  Would they exploit the desperation of the Haitians to their advantage?

I hope this doan backfire on Granger. That island that has Haiti and Domincan Republic has a history of HIV. Most likely the Haitians will have coitus with Afro-Guyanese, that be the case, the virus could spread. Reduction in the Afro population is a possibiity.   

Zara posted:

It’s foolishness that the Coalition will use Haitians for victory.  The Coalition has broad support among all people.  Under the competent leadership of Cde Granger and Cde Nagamootoo, we are assured fair victory!

Why did Naga lost 3 successive election in his own hometown, Ms Ally something  has to be seriously wrong.. don’t you agree. 

How much Maria’s paying you to peddle lies. 

Stormborn posted:

 This fellow said "Therefore, CARICOM countries, other than The Bahamas and Montserrat, but including Guyana, are legally bound to grant CARICOM nationals the right to remain for a period of six months, provided they are not a security risk and they can demonstrate the ability not to become a charge upon the State during their stay. In principle, this right applies to Haitian nationals as well."

They are refugees, Guyana has 40 percent poverty, why and how they will not become a burden on the state? Barbados learnt its lesson from visa free passage. Guyana will soon...

 

I se you still suffer from Mad Jagdeo disease.  So racist you are that you cannot see Haitians outside of the perspective of being some impoverished refugee.

1.  They are NOT staying in Guyana so are NOT refugees.  In fact Haitians are more highly regarded in French Guyana than are the Guyanese who also illegally attempt to live there!

2.  When they reach their destinations they will WORK.  They don't want handouts.

In fact I suggest that you tell those Central Americans that they can learn a thing or two from Haitians. When Obama blocked Haitians from entry into the USA to get TPS they found work and some eventualy set up businesses in Tijuana and other Mexican cities.  Not lie on the ground and weep like those Central Americans.  As bad as Honduras and Guatemala might be Haiti is WORSE.  Maybe because of this and the fact that they are black Haitians don't aggressively demand that any nation must accept them because they are poor, or their country lawless.  They try to do the best that they can.

If a black Haitian, who doesn't speak Spanish and who is culturally alien in Mexico can figure out how to survive there or in Chile than a Guatemalan can. 

The USA CANNOT solve all the problems of the world!  And Obama who deported more immigrants than Trump has yet to do, proved this.  It is only in 2015 and 2016 that Obama deported fewer people then Trump did last year!

Btw those kids in cages and foil blankets in freeing buildings began under Obama.  People need to learn to be honest.

 

Btw Barbados wanted to force Guyanese and Jamaicans to get visas.  It was the rest of CARICOM that stated that this would be a bad precedent. 

Jagdeo might convince Rowley, Motley as well as the PMs of Antigua and St Kitts to do that.  The latter to have already got permission from CARICOM to restrict entry of CARICOM citizens if they so chose and it is the legions of Guyanese and Jamaicans who are to blame for this as they overwhelm these tiny islands.

So all those with Mad Jagdeo disease can continue with their anti black bigotry.

Zara posted:

It’s foolishness that the Coalition will use Haitians for victory.  The Coalition has broad support among all people.  Under the competent leadership of Cde Granger and Cde Nagamootoo, we are assured fair victory!

So why don't you tell us how much the Haitians are being paid to stick around Guyana until the elections. It has to be at least US$ 1k/month as they can earn this much if they move to French Guyana.

caribny posted:
Stormborn posted:

 This fellow said "Therefore, CARICOM countries, other than The Bahamas and Montserrat, but including Guyana, are legally bound to grant CARICOM nationals the right to remain for a period of six months, provided they are not a security risk and they can demonstrate the ability not to become a charge upon the State during their stay. In principle, this right applies to Haitian nationals as well."

They are refugees, Guyana has 40 percent poverty, why and how they will not become a burden on the state? Barbados learnt its lesson from visa free passage. Guyana will soon...

 

I se you still suffer from Mad Jagdeo disease.  So racist you are that you cannot see Haitians outside of the perspective of being some impoverished refugee.

1.  They are NOT staying in Guyana so are NOT refugees.  In fact Haitians are more highly regarded in French Guyana than are the Guyanese who also illegally attempt to live there!

2.  When they reach their destinations they will WORK.  They don't want handouts.

In fact I suggest that you tell those Central Americans that they can learn a thing or two from Haitians. When Obama blocked Haitians from entry into the USA to get TPS they found work and some eventualy set up businesses in Tijuana and other Mexican cities.  Not lie on the ground and weep like those Central Americans.  As bad as Honduras and Guatemala might be Haiti is WORSE.  Maybe because of this and the fact that they are black Haitians don't aggressively demand that any nation must accept them because they are poor, or their country lawless.  They try to do the best that they can.

If a black Haitian, who doesn't speak Spanish and who is culturally alien in Mexico can figure out how to survive there or in Chile than a Guatemalan can. 

The USA CANNOT solve all the problems of the world!  And Obama who deported more immigrants than Trump has yet to do, proved this.  It is only in 2015 and 2016 that Obama deported fewer people then Trump did last year!

Btw those kids in cages and foil blankets in freeing buildings began under Obama.  People need to learn to be honest.

 

They are refugees as we are from our home and a term you often use here at your convenience. I do not know why the term offends you to the level you attribute to is implications outside its scope and insist one could only use the word if they are afflicted with some terrible brain disease. Were you symptomatic of the same when you use it with respect to us leaving?

 

Who is saying the US should solve the world's problem. I am saying that in that respect we are crippled and have been so by incompetent politicians for over half a century. We cannot help ourselves and do not have the resources to reach some 40 percent of our people so why offer help with no resources?

 

I do not care to be distracted by other issues. I am speaking of our personal problems.

Stormborn posted:

They are refugees as we are from our home and a term you often use here at your convenience. I do not know why the term offends you to the level you attribute to is implications outside its scope and insist one could only use the word if they are afflicted with some terrible brain disease. Were you symptomatic of the same when you use it with respect to us leaving?

Haitians in Guyana are NOT refugees!

your klownishness is beyond tiresome

in fact, there is no Haitian refugee class resident in Guyana like we have from Venezuela

i wonder which of the six? people (or personalities) using the "stormborn" handle wander off from the phantom month-long? "inlaws" project to start another losing-his-marbles cycle so early this, so far, quiet evening? 

smfh

ronan posted:
Stormborn posted:

They are refugees as we are from our home and a term you often use here at your convenience. I do not know why the term offends you to the level you attribute to is implications outside its scope and insist one could only use the word if they are afflicted with some terrible brain disease. Were you symptomatic of the same when you use it with respect to us leaving?

Haitians in Guyana are NOT refugees!

your klownishness is beyond tiresome

in fact, there is no Haitian refugee class resident in Guyana like we have from Venezuela

i wonder which of the six? people (or personalities) using the "stormborn" handle wander off from the phantom month-long? "inlaws" project to start another losing-his-marbles cycle so early this, so far, quiet evening? 

smfh

I guess you can call them tourists in transit...they are economic refugees fool...same as the venoes. 

Stormborn posted:
ronan posted:
Stormborn posted:

They are refugees as we are from our home and a term you often use here at your convenience. I do not know why the term offends you to the level you attribute to is implications outside its scope and insist one could only use the word if they are afflicted with some terrible brain disease. Were you symptomatic of the same when you use it with respect to us leaving?

Haitians in Guyana are NOT refugees!

your klownishness is beyond tiresome

in fact, there is no Haitian refugee class resident in Guyana like we have from Venezuela

i wonder which of the six? people (or personalities) using the "stormborn" handle wander off from the phantom month-long? "inlaws" project to start another losing-his-marbles cycle so early this, so far, quiet evening? 

smfh

I guess you can call them tourists in transit...they are economic refugees fool...same as the venoes. 

sure sure sure

juss like Bharrat's in-transit Chinese and the even-more-Cubans flying to GT are "refugees" in Guyana nah?

"same as the venoes" . . . riiite?

so banna(s), which exactly of the six characters you inhabit shall i place the DUNCE cap on eh, moron?

oh wait, mussbe the same half wit sixth of the "stormborns" who was swearing on SN that Bharrat Jagdeo's PPP of NEPS tiefman fame is a Marxist-Leninist "Communist" party

my bad

smfh

ronan posted:
Stormborn posted:
ronan posted:
Stormborn posted:

They are refugees as we are from our home and a term you often use here at your convenience. I do not know why the term offends you to the level you attribute to is implications outside its scope and insist one could only use the word if they are afflicted with some terrible brain disease. Were you symptomatic of the same when you use it with respect to us leaving?

Haitians in Guyana are NOT refugees!

your klownishness is beyond tiresome

in fact, there is no Haitian refugee class resident in Guyana like we have from Venezuela

i wonder which of the six? people (or personalities) using the "stormborn" handle wander off from the phantom month-long? "inlaws" project to start another losing-his-marbles cycle so early this, so far, quiet evening? 

smfh

I guess you can call them tourists in transit...they are economic refugees fool...same as the venoes. 

sure sure sure

juss like Bharrat's in-transit Chinese and the even-more-Cubans flying to GT are "refugees" in Guyana nah?

"same as the venoes" . . . riiite?

so banna(s), which exactly of the six characters you inhabit shall i place the DUNCE cap on eh, moron?

oh wait, mussbe the same half wit sixth of the "stormborns" who was swearing on SN that Bharrat Jagdeo's PPP of NEPS tiefman fame is a Marxist-Leninist "Communist" party

my bad

smfh

I presume you feel if you insert as much insults about your smarts as opposed to others you magnify your post sufficiently to make sense. Sorry, no. None of the rest of your digression is worthy of a response. 

Stormborn posted:
ronan posted:
Stormborn posted:
ronan posted:
Stormborn posted:

They are refugees as we are from our home and a term you often use here at your convenience. I do not know why the term offends you to the level you attribute to is implications outside its scope and insist one could only use the word if they are afflicted with some terrible brain disease. Were you symptomatic of the same when you use it with respect to us leaving?

Haitians in Guyana are NOT refugees!

your klownishness is beyond tiresome

in fact, there is no Haitian refugee class resident in Guyana like we have from Venezuela

i wonder which of the six? people (or personalities) using the "stormborn" handle wander off from the phantom month-long? "inlaws" project to start another losing-his-marbles cycle so early this, so far, quiet evening? 

smfh

I guess you can call them tourists in transit...they are economic refugees fool...same as the venoes. 

sure sure sure

juss like Bharrat's in-transit Chinese and the even-more-Cubans flying to GT are "refugees" in Guyana nah?

"same as the venoes" . . . riiite?

so banna(s), which exactly of the six characters you inhabit shall i place the DUNCE cap on eh, moron?

oh wait, mussbe the same half wit sixth of the "stormborns" who was swearing on SN that Bharrat Jagdeo's PPP of NEPS tiefman fame is a Marxist-Leninist "Communist" party

my bad

smfh

None of the rest of your digression is worthy of a response. 

the non-response is most welcome

and rent a dictionary jackass, you seem to not know what "digression" is

besides, your foolishness is repetitive and boring

nobody cares mr six-head

ronan posted:
Stormborn posted:
ronan posted:
Stormborn posted:
ronan posted:
Stormborn posted:

They are refugees as we are from our home and a term you often use here at your convenience. I do not know why the term offends you to the level you attribute to is implications outside its scope and insist one could only use the word if they are afflicted with some terrible brain disease. Were you symptomatic of the same when you use it with respect to us leaving?

Haitians in Guyana are NOT refugees!

your klownishness is beyond tiresome

in fact, there is no Haitian refugee class resident in Guyana like we have from Venezuela

i wonder which of the six? people (or personalities) using the "stormborn" handle wander off from the phantom month-long? "inlaws" project to start another losing-his-marbles cycle so early this, so far, quiet evening? 

smfh

I guess you can call them tourists in transit...they are economic refugees fool...same as the venoes. 

sure sure sure

juss like Bharrat's in-transit Chinese and the even-more-Cubans flying to GT are "refugees" in Guyana nah?

"same as the venoes" . . . riiite?

so banna(s), which exactly of the six characters you inhabit shall i place the DUNCE cap on eh, moron?

oh wait, mussbe the same half wit sixth of the "stormborns" who was swearing on SN that Bharrat Jagdeo's PPP of NEPS tiefman fame is a Marxist-Leninist "Communist" party

my bad

smfh

None of the rest of your digression is worthy of a response. 

the non-response is most welcome

and rent a dictionary jackass, you seem to not know what "digression" is

besides, your foolishness is repetitive and boring

nobody cares mr six-head

And you know the dictionary inside out!...run down as many rabbit holes as quickly as you can and as often as you need to  confuse yourself into believing are saying something profound

Stormborn posted:
ronan posted:
Stormborn posted:
ronan posted:
Stormborn posted:

I guess you can call them tourists in transit...they are economic refugees fool...same as the venoes. 

sure sure sure

juss like Bharrat's in-transit Chinese and the even-more-Cubans flying to GT are "refugees" in Guyana nah?

"same as the venoes" . . . riiite?

so banna(s), which exactly of the six characters you inhabit shall i place the DUNCE cap on eh, moron?

oh wait, mussbe the same half wit sixth of the "stormborns" who was swearing on SN that Bharrat Jagdeo's PPP of NEPS tiefman fame is a Marxist-Leninist "Communist" party

my bad

smfh

None of the rest of your digression is worthy of a response. 

the non-response is most welcome

and rent a dictionary jackass, you seem to not know what "digression" is

besides, your foolishness is repetitive and boring

nobody cares mr six-head

And you know the dictionary inside out!...

that i know it waay better than a FAKER like you is a given

but that's not the point, arite?

ronan posted:
Stormborn posted:
ronan posted:
Stormborn posted:
ronan posted:
Stormborn posted:

I guess you can call them tourists in transit...they are economic refugees fool...same as the venoes. 

sure sure sure

juss like Bharrat's in-transit Chinese and the even-more-Cubans flying to GT are "refugees" in Guyana nah?

"same as the venoes" . . . riiite?

so banna(s), which exactly of the six characters you inhabit shall i place the DUNCE cap on eh, moron?

oh wait, mussbe the same half wit sixth of the "stormborns" who was swearing on SN that Bharrat Jagdeo's PPP of NEPS tiefman fame is a Marxist-Leninist "Communist" party

my bad

smfh

None of the rest of your digression is worthy of a response. 

the non-response is most welcome

and rent a dictionary jackass, you seem to not know what "digression" is

besides, your foolishness is repetitive and boring

nobody cares mr six-head

And you know the dictionary inside out!...

that i know it waay better than a FAKER like you is a given

but that's not the point, arite?

What can I say? you write as well as a cripple is to one with legs functioning fine. I will not distract your from your delusions. It is your healthy mental place. 

Stormborn posted:

you write as well as a cripple is to one with legs functioning fine.

so, which one of the six "stormborns" cussing the other five, insisting he wasn't drunk on the evening's "port" when he gushed that my "cripple" prose was positively poetic?

lol

ronan posted:
Stormborn posted:

you write as well as a cripple is to one with legs functioning fine.

so, which one of the six "stormborns" cussing the other five, insisting he wasn't drunk on the evening's "port" when he gushed that my "cripple" prose was positively poetic?

lol

Concentrate on the text.  Maybe you were right, I failed to see its endemic ugliness earlier.  

Stormborn posted:
ronan posted:
Stormborn posted:

you write as well as a cripple is to one with legs functioning fine.

so, which one of the six "stormborns" cussing the other five, insisting he wasn't drunk on the evening's "port" when he gushed that my "cripple" prose was positively poetic?

lol

Maybe you were right, I failed to see its endemic ugliness earlier.  

which one of your six heads talking here bai?

i am assuming your other personalities busy with your "inlaws" project, taking them away from GNI in the near term, rite?

lol lol

ronan posted:
Stormborn posted:
ronan posted:
Stormborn posted:

you write as well as a cripple is to one with legs functioning fine.

so, which one of the six "stormborns" cussing the other five, insisting he wasn't drunk on the evening's "port" when he gushed that my "cripple" prose was positively poetic?

lol

Maybe you were right, I failed to see its endemic ugliness earlier.  

which one of your six heads talking here bai?

i am assuming your other personalities busy with your "inlaws" project, taking them away from GNI in the near term, rite?

lol lol

You take your pick. 

Stormborn posted:
ronan posted:
Stormborn posted:
ronan posted:
Stormborn posted:

you write as well as a cripple is to one with legs functioning fine.

so, which one of the six "stormborns" cussing the other five, insisting he wasn't drunk on the evening's "port" when he gushed that my "cripple" prose was positively poetic?

lol

Maybe you were right, I failed to see its endemic ugliness earlier.  

which one of your six heads talking here bai?

i am assuming your other personalities busy with your "inlaws" project, taking them away from GNI in the near term, rite?

lol lol

You take your pick. 

har har

Stormborn posted:
 

 

They are refugees as we are from our home and a term you often use here at your convenience. I do not know why the term offends you to the level you attribute to is implications outside its scope and insist one could only use the word if they are afflicted with some terrible brain disease. Were you symptomatic of the same when you use it with respect to us leaving?

 

Who is saying the US should solve the world's problem. I am saying that in that respect we are crippled and have been so by incompetent politicians for over half a century. We cannot help ourselves and do not have the resources to reach some 40 percent of our people so why offer help with no resources?

 

I do not care to be distracted by other issues. I am speaking of our personal problems.

 

Now continue to indulge in your Mad Jagdeo derangement.  Haitians are NOT staying in Guyana!  They are ambitious people and seek out countries BETTER for them than Guyana will be.  So cease your screams of Guyana's poverty and what an unfair burden that the Haitians will provide. 

In fact they provide business opportunities to Guyanese who feed, house and transport them in the few days that they remain in Guyana. NO ONE in Guyana will offer these services free.

You CANNOT even prove that there are clusters of Haitians working on construction sites in G/T and here your screams about what a burden they are to Guyanese. 

You however need to go chat with them Bajans who have been providing free education and healthcare to a bunch of PPP supporters, many lacking any graciousness but instead calling Bajans lazy.  Yes Barbados saved some of them from starvation when they had to flee Jagdeo land in the early 2000s. 

This due to the same poverty that you scream about, which is considerably higher than that of Barbados.  In fact that piece of rock continues to have a nominal GDP HIGHER than that of Guyana even though it can easily fit into the Essequibo River.

Antiguans knew how ungrateful that some of these PPP supporters turn out to be so haven't let too many of them in.

ksazma posted:

The ambition of Haitians screams at one when they look at how developed Haiti is. All those skyscrapers that is reaching the sky. 😀

Based on the state of Guyana using your logic Guyanese must be some seriously unambitious people as well. 

Even as the CXC Math performance improved under APNU from what it was under the PPP Guyana still lags most of the rest of the Caribbean in pass rates in this subject.  Our infant mortality is higher, fewer of our people have full internet access and more of them still have to use latrines than is typical for an English speaking Caribbean nation.  Many of them now offering a standard of living more typical of a poor European nation than a 3rd world one.

You will find most cases only Haiti is worse off.

caribny posted:
Stormborn posted:
 

 

They are refugees as we are from our home and a term you often use here at your convenience. I do not know why the term offends you to the level you attribute to is implications outside its scope and insist one could only use the word if they are afflicted with some terrible brain disease. Were you symptomatic of the same when you use it with respect to us leaving?

 

Who is saying the US should solve the world's problem. I am saying that in that respect we are crippled and have been so by incompetent politicians for over half a century. We cannot help ourselves and do not have the resources to reach some 40 percent of our people so why offer help with no resources?

 

I do not care to be distracted by other issues. I am speaking of our personal problems.

 

Now continue to indulge in your Mad Jagdeo derangement.  Haitians are NOT staying in Guyana!  They are ambitious people and seek out countries BETTER for them than Guyana will be.  So cease your screams of Guyana's poverty and what an unfair burden that the Haitians will provide. 

In fact they provide business opportunities to Guyanese who feed, house and transport them in the few days that they remain in Guyana. NO ONE in Guyana will offer these services free.

You CANNOT even prove that there are clusters of Haitians working on construction sites in G/T and here your screams about what a burden they are to Guyanese. 

You however need to go chat with them Bajans who have been providing free education and healthcare to a bunch of PPP supporters, many lacking any graciousness but instead calling Bajans lazy.  Yes Barbados saved some of them from starvation when they had to flee Jagdeo land in the early 2000s. 

This due to the same poverty that you scream about, which is considerably higher than that of Barbados.  In fact that piece of rock continues to have a nominal GDP HIGHER than that of Guyana even though it can easily fit into the Essequibo River.

Antiguans knew how ungrateful that some of these PPP supporters turn out to be so haven't let too many of them in.

And you continue to be an ass in trying to sell us on the notion that Haitians are not refugees and they are not staying in Guyana. Someone posted a picture here on some unity meeting and everywhere we see people with Haitian flag emblazoned on their T's. Obviously someone is trying to tell us something. I care little if they stay. I just do not want it to be a political move. It is the reason I objected to the Chinese being brought in. You agreed with me then that it may be insidious on behalf of the PPP. I guess that was therapy for my brain disease!

I do not care what the Bajans do. I care about the political realities in my country and if the APNY are doing their usual political necromancy. 

No one can be hungry in Guyana except in the urban landscape. Most of the population just have to go outside to fine a meal in the nearby stream or pond or trench or creek. Our problem is freedom to choose, to live in peace without political patronage and nepotism getting in the way. Most of the People did not have much in terms of cash but minus the political intrusiveness into their lives they would be contented being at home. 

Stormborn posted:
 

And you continue to be an ass in trying to sell us on the notion that Haitians are not refugees and they are not staying in Guyana.

Someone posted a picture here on some unity meeting and everywhere we see people with Haitian flag emblazoned on their T's. Obviously someone is trying to tell us something. 

That was in Brooklyn NY.

Stormborn posted:
 

 

 

And you continue to be an ass in trying to sell us on the notion that Haitians are not refugees and they are not staying in Guyana.

The Unity meeting WAS IN BROOKLYN.  Yes in Brooklyn Guyanese and Haitians live in the SAME neighborhoods and even MARRY each other.  So imagine the embarrassment, as we condemn Trump's bigotry towards immigrants that a Jagdeo supported paper prints WORSE ignorance than that ignoramus tweets.

This is what Mad Jagdeo disease does to people.  You rush out to peddle Jagdeo's trash.  :Listen Jagdeo has moved on as EVEN HE knows that Haitians do NOT remain in Guyana.

FYI one of the women, the slim one is a NY Haitian politician and the other one is a Guyanese.

Please find a cure for that Mad Jagdeo disease!

caribny posted:
Stormborn posted:
 

 

 

And you continue to be an ass in trying to sell us on the notion that Haitians are not refugees and they are not staying in Guyana.

The Unity meeting WAS IN BROOKLYN.  Yes in Brooklyn Guyanese and Haitians live in the SAME neighborhoods and even MARRY each other.  So imagine the embarrassment, as we condemn Trump's bigotry towards immigrants that a Jagdeo supported paper prints WORSE ignorance than that ignoramus tweets.

This is what Mad Jagdeo disease does to people.  You rush out to peddle Jagdeo's trash.  :Listen Jagdeo has moved on as EVEN HE knows that Haitians do NOT remain in Guyana.

FYI one of the women, the slim one is a NY Haitian politician and the other one is a Guyanese.

Please find a cure for that Mad Jagdeo disease!

As I said, you are an ass. I lived in NY and had many Haitians working for me and it is the reason I can understand their creole. Where did I peddle trash? I said, obviously someone is telling us something politically that Haitians are not only welcome they will be accommodated. It was a political message and decidedly so. You need to find a cure for your awful myopia. The PPP and the PNC are not the world. They are the real disease you misdiagnose because you are the infected if you decide to be for one or the other. 

 

 

 

 

 

Stormborn posted:
 

As I said, you are an ass. I lived in NY and had many Haitians working for me and it is the reason I can understand their creole. Where did I peddle trash? I said, obviously someone is telling us something politically that Haitians are not only welcome they will be accommodated. It was a political message and decidedly so. You need to find a cure for your awful myopia. The PPP and the PNC are not the world. They are the real disease you misdiagnose because you are the infected if you decide to be for one or the other. 

 

 

 

 

 

You cited this unity rally as evidence that impoverished Guyana was being overwhelmed by Haitians. You actually thought that this event was in Guyana. Even has Jagdeo and his people spouted vile bigotry about Haitians you condoned it and did NOT condemn it. 

The only political message was the LIE that Jagdeo peddled to rile up Indians. Even as Venezuelan, Cuban, Chinese and Brazilian immigrants are very visible in Guyana and Haitians are NOT. What was his scream?  "Dem Haitians black man coming to Guyana to vote APNU to mek dem win de election".  

In the meantime Guyanese who live in Brooklyn must now apologize to our Haitians neighbors that a major Guyanese politicians and his supporters peddle the same racist bigotry towards Haitians as does Trump.

You can sink within your soul to ask yourself why you condone behavior that Jagdeo peddles when you would never accept this from Trump.  Over 500k Central Americans THIS YEAR ALONE, have swarmed into (or tried to swarm in) the USA pleading for asylum.  NO Haitians has entered Guyana with such a action!

caribny posted:
Stormborn posted:
 

As I said, you are an ass. I lived in NY and had many Haitians working for me and it is the reason I can understand their creole. Where did I peddle trash? I said, obviously someone is telling us something politically that Haitians are not only welcome they will be accommodated. It was a political message and decidedly so. You need to find a cure for your awful myopia. The PPP and the PNC are not the world. They are the real disease you misdiagnose because you are the infected if you decide to be for one or the other. 

 

 

 

 

 

You cited this unity rally as evidence that impoverished Guyana was being overwhelmed by Haitians. You actually thought that this event was in Guyana. Even has Jagdeo and his people spouted vile bigotry about Haitians you condoned it and did NOT condemn it. 

The only political message was the LIE that Jagdeo peddled to rile up Indians. Even as Venezuelan, Cuban, Chinese and Brazilian immigrants are very visible in Guyana and Haitians are NOT. What was his scream?  "Dem Haitians black man coming to Guyana to vote APNU to mek dem win de election".  

In the meantime Guyanese who live in Brooklyn must now apologize to our Haitians neighbors that a major Guyanese politicians and his supporters peddle the same racist bigotry towards Haitians as does Trump.

You can sink within your soul to ask yourself why you condone behavior that Jagdeo peddles when you would never accept this from Trump.  Over 500k Central Americans THIS YEAR ALONE, have swarmed into (or tried to swarm in) the USA pleading for asylum.  NO Haitians has entered Guyana with such a action!

You have an active imagination. I said it was a political message. I care little how many Haitians come in if they can be productive and assist in development. I stated that on threads that should exist here. My comments centers around the reality that the PNC may be using them nefariously to pad the list. That is immigration for political reason and the same reason I objected to the PPP bringing in Chinese and handing them passports.

Jagdeo does not need to rile up Indians. Granger is doing a mighty fine job at that. Jagdeo's input is actually counter productive. It is clear he has selected the wrong person to head the party and his face on every issue makes most sane people want to go into fits of retching. He should stay in the background and shut his mouth. 

Stormborn posted:
 

You have an active imagination. I said it was a political message. I care little how many Haitians come in if they can be productive and assist in development. I stated that on threads that should exist here. My comments centers around the reality that the PNC may be using them nefariously to pad the list. That is immigration for political reason and the same reason I objected to the PPP bringing in Chinese and handing them passports.

Jagdeo does not need to rile up Indians. Granger is doing a mighty fine job at that. Jagdeo's input is actually counter productive. It is clear he has selected the wrong person to head the party and his face on every issue makes most sane people want to go into fits of retching. He should stay in the background and shut his mouth. 

Yes the political message that Roxanne Persaud and Farah Louis was sending was the total embarrassment that a major Guyanese politician was engaged in vitriol against people from a fellow Caribbean island.  Good that Jagdeo established how deeply rooted racism in Guyana is so they now know what he stands for.

It had NOTHING to do with the PNC. Farah Louis in fact will prefer Haitians in Brooklyn instead of Guyana so she can win their votes.  Given that they are the largest black Caribbean voting bloc in Brooklyn, so will Roxanne Persaud.

Just admit that you are now in recovery and are upset about how Jagdeo infested your brain with lies about Haitians planning to live in Guyana.

We don't know when the election is.  Do you think that Haitians will remain in hiding not earning anything just so that APNU can use them to vote?  Are you really that silly?  What reason can you establish for Haitians to endure this. Granger CANNOT give Haitians green cards and that is the only prize I can think of that would lead them to remain in Guyana to vote APNU, maybe in December. 

Can you see Haitians trying to vote in Guyana? No one at the polling stations speak Haitian Creole and I doubt that most of them know sufficient English to manage given this issue.

 

caribny posted:
Stormborn posted:
 

You have an active imagination. I said it was a political message. I care little how many Haitians come in if they can be productive and assist in development. I stated that on threads that should exist here. My comments centers around the reality that the PNC may be using them nefariously to pad the list. That is immigration for political reason and the same reason I objected to the PPP bringing in Chinese and handing them passports.

Jagdeo does not need to rile up Indians. Granger is doing a mighty fine job at that. Jagdeo's input is actually counter productive. It is clear he has selected the wrong person to head the party and his face on every issue makes most sane people want to go into fits of retching. He should stay in the background and shut his mouth. 

Yes the political message that Roxanne Persaud and Farah Louis was sending was the total embarrassment that a major Guyanese politician was engaged in vitriol against people from a fellow Caribbean island.  Good that Jagdeo established how deeply rooted racism in Guyana is so they now know what he stands for.

It had NOTHING to do with the PNC. Farah Louis in fact will prefer Haitians in Brooklyn instead of Guyana so she can win their votes.  Given that they are the largest black Caribbean voting bloc in Brooklyn, so will Roxanne Persaud.

Just admit that you are now in recovery and are upset about how Jagdeo infested your brain with lies about Haitians planning to live in Guyana.

We don't know when the election is.  Do you think that Haitians will remain in hiding not earning anything just so that APNU can use them to vote?  Are you really that silly?  What reason can you establish for Haitians to endure this. Granger CANNOT give Haitians green cards and that is the only prize I can think of that would lead them to remain in Guyana to vote APNU, maybe in December. 

Can you see Haitians trying to vote in Guyana? No one at the polling stations speak Haitian Creole and I doubt that most of them know sufficient English to manage given this issue.

 

Jagdeo could not infect my brain. He is in yours hence you are in love with referencing Him. I  dont. Trump want to send home some 200k of them so I doubt they see any great allure of risking a 5 thousand miles walk to be met with possible years in detention if Trump is re elected. I am sure Guyana is a better place than Haiti so it is not beyond the pale that some would care to remain. French Guyana does not wan't them either because the are using it to enter the EU and France never cared much for black people.

caribny posted:
Stormborn posted:
 

You have an active imagination. I said it was a political message. I care little how many Haitians come in if they can be productive and assist in development. I stated that on threads that should exist here. My comments centers around the reality that the PNC may be using them nefariously to pad the list. That is immigration for political reason and the same reason I objected to the PPP bringing in Chinese and handing them passports.

Jagdeo does not need to rile up Indians. Granger is doing a mighty fine job at that. Jagdeo's input is actually counter productive. It is clear he has selected the wrong person to head the party and his face on every issue makes most sane people want to go into fits of retching. He should stay in the background and shut his mouth. 

Yes the political message that Roxanne Persaud and Farah Louis was sending was the total embarrassment that a major Guyanese politician was engaged in vitriol against people from a fellow Caribbean island.  Good that Jagdeo established how deeply rooted racism in Guyana is so they now know what he stands for.

It had NOTHING to do with the PNC. Farah Louis in fact will prefer Haitians in Brooklyn instead of Guyana so she can win their votes.  Given that they are the largest black Caribbean voting bloc in Brooklyn, so will Roxanne Persaud.

Just admit that you are now in recovery and are upset about how Jagdeo infested your brain with lies about Haitians planning to live in Guyana.

We don't know when the election is.  Do you think that Haitians will remain in hiding not earning anything just so that APNU can use them to vote?  Are you really that silly?  What reason can you establish for Haitians to endure this. Granger CANNOT give Haitians green cards and that is the only prize I can think of that would lead them to remain in Guyana to vote APNU, maybe in December. 

Can you see Haitians trying to vote in Guyana? No one at the polling stations speak Haitian Creole and I doubt that most of them know sufficient English to manage given this issue.

 

You knows nothing about the welfare of Haitians in Guyana, so STFU. They are currently working for $3000. Cash per day, under cutting your kind ( Negro) , and putting them out of work... a few of your kind Negro  ( smartee ) who is providing housing for them is getting $1000. Per head by driving them to the job site. 

This is how it woking...

The big man ( boss ) usually pays $5000 per head for the locals l. He now pays $4000 per head . to one of your kind, who in turn pays the Haitians $3000. 

Figure out what’s going on and STFU. 

Dave posted:
caribny posted:
Stormborn posted:
 

You have an active imagination. I said it was a political message. I care little how many Haitians come in if they can be productive and assist in development. I stated that on threads that should exist here. My comments centers around the reality that the PNC may be using them nefariously to pad the list. That is immigration for political reason and the same reason I objected to the PPP bringing in Chinese and handing them passports.

Jagdeo does not need to rile up Indians. Granger is doing a mighty fine job at that. Jagdeo's input is actually counter productive. It is clear he has selected the wrong person to head the party and his face on every issue makes most sane people want to go into fits of retching. He should stay in the background and shut his mouth. 

Yes the political message that Roxanne Persaud and Farah Louis was sending was the total embarrassment that a major Guyanese politician was engaged in vitriol against people from a fellow Caribbean island.  Good that Jagdeo established how deeply rooted racism in Guyana is so they now know what he stands for.

It had NOTHING to do with the PNC. Farah Louis in fact will prefer Haitians in Brooklyn instead of Guyana so she can win their votes.  Given that they are the largest black Caribbean voting bloc in Brooklyn, so will Roxanne Persaud.

Just admit that you are now in recovery and are upset about how Jagdeo infested your brain with lies about Haitians planning to live in Guyana.

We don't know when the election is.  Do you think that Haitians will remain in hiding not earning anything just so that APNU can use them to vote?  Are you really that silly?  What reason can you establish for Haitians to endure this. Granger CANNOT give Haitians green cards and that is the only prize I can think of that would lead them to remain in Guyana to vote APNU, maybe in December. 

Can you see Haitians trying to vote in Guyana? No one at the polling stations speak Haitian Creole and I doubt that most of them know sufficient English to manage given this issue.

 

You knows nothing about the welfare of Haitians in Guyana, so STFU. They are currently working for $3000. Cash per day, under cutting your kind ( Negro) , and putting them out of work... a few of your kind Negro  ( smartee ) who is providing housing for them is getting $1000. Per head by driving them to the job site. 

This is how it woking...

The big man ( boss ) usually pays $5000 per head for the locals l. He now pays $4000 per head . to one of your kind, who in turn pays the Haitians $3000. 

Figure out what’s going on and STFU. 

Good synopsis.  Cribby, Ronan and Django think coolie people stupid!!

Stormborn posted:
 

Jagdeo could not infect my brain. He is in yours hence you are in love with referencing Him. I  dont. Trump want to send home some 200k of them so I doubt they see any great allure of risking a 5 thousand miles walk to be met with possible years in detention if Trump is re elected. I am sure Guyana is a better place than Haiti so it is not beyond the pale that some would care to remain. French Guyana does not wan't them either because the are using it to enter the EU and France never cared much for black people.

Here you are jumping up and down about Haitians.  Where do they live in Guyana? Where do they work?  You do NOT have an answer because the truth is that they neither live nor work in Guyana.  they back track THROUGH Guyana just as Guyanese have been engaged in illegal entry into EVERY English speaking country in the Americas, plus Venezuela, Suriname, Brazil and French Guyana.

So why Haitians when MORE Cubans, Venezuelans, Chinese and Brazilians work the streets of GT. Why Haitians.  THEY ARE BLACK!

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...ics_of_French_Guiana

You really need to stop anointing yourself as the Lord of all knowledge.  Two Brooklyn politicians stood together to condemn Jagdeo.  You screamed that this was proof of a Haitian invasion. 

Now you wail that FG doesn't want Haitians.  Well it turns out that just under 10% of that French territory (which is majority BLACK by the way) is BORN in Haiti.  We can then add the many born in that territory with Haitian parents which some estimate brings the Haitian/Haitian descent population up to 20% of the total.

Mr. Mad Jagdeo disease why will Haitians hide in Guyana when they can go to FG where the speak the SAME languages.  In fact Haitians in FG ae better off than the Guyanese who live there as the latter do NOT speak French and the French have to tolerance for those who do NOT.

You have no proof that Haitians in FG have the slightest interest in migrating to France.  the can earn the same wages in FG that they can earn in France, and FG is way culturally compatible.

Continue to dwell with your Mad Jagdeo disease screaming "Dem Haitian black man a come to tek away de country from we!".  You make Trump proud.  

caribny posted:

And in case you didn't notice. 2% of FGs population is from GUYANA.

So Guyanese back track to FG as well as do Haitians!  Tell you fellow diseased buddy that, so he can stop screaming about Haitians!

The sick insisting they are sane while a contagion is what is seen. I know Guyanese go legally and illegally to FG. I went legally there many times to visit Family. However, they are all leapfrogging to the EU. They are already in the zone so if they have legal residents they can simply hop on a plane. FG is not a happy place. If you been there you would know most Haitians and Brazilians live is abject poverty grouped among themselves. All of this shit to tell us that Haitians are not remaining in GY. You do not know, I do not know. The possibility is there. It is far better than Haiti.

Stormborn posted:
caribny posted:

And in case you didn't notice. 2% of FGs population is from GUYANA.

So Guyanese back track to FG as well as do Haitians!  Tell you fellow diseased buddy that, so he can stop screaming about Haitians!

The sick insisting they are sane while a contagion is what is seen. I know Guyanese go legally and illegally to FG. I went legally there many times to visit Family. However, they are all leapfrogging to the EU. They are already in the zone so if they have legal residents they can simply hop on a plane. FG is not a happy place. If you been there you would know most Haitians and Brazilians live is abject poverty grouped among themselves. All of this shit to tell us that Haitians are not remaining in GY. You do not know, I do not know. The possibility is there. It is far better than Haiti.

Correct, neither Cribby or you live there so you don’t know.  Dave lives there and he gave a synopses if the economics involved which seems plausible. PNC minister says foreigners crowding out locals with lower wages.  This lends credibility to what Dave said.  

Cribby and Ronan peddling lies!

Stormborn posted:
caribny posted:
Stormborn posted:

 I said, obviously someone is telling us something politically that Haitians are not only welcome they will be accommodated. It was a political message and decidedly so.

You cited this unity rally as evidence that impoverished Guyana was being overwhelmed by Haitians. You actually thought that this event was in Guyana. Even has Jagdeo and his people spouted vile bigotry about Haitians you condoned it and did NOT condemn it.

You have an active imagination. I said it was a political message.

one of the six 'stormborns' get ketch flinging up he "Haiti" skirt stupidly and people start point out that he ain't wearing no panty

watch him shuffling and sand dancin to the wings trying to fool people he hopes weren't paying attention

lol

ronan posted:
Stormborn posted:
caribny posted:
Stormborn posted:

 I said, obviously someone is telling us something politically that Haitians are not only welcome they will be accommodated. It was a political message and decidedly so.

You cited this unity rally as evidence that impoverished Guyana was being overwhelmed by Haitians. You actually thought that this event was in Guyana. Even has Jagdeo and his people spouted vile bigotry about Haitians you condoned it and did NOT condemn it.

You have an active imagination. I said it was a political message.

one of the six 'stormborns' get ketch flinging up he "Haiti" skirt stupidly and people start point out that he ain't wearing no panty

watch him shuffling and sand dancin to the wings trying to fool people he hopes weren't paying attention

lol

Dude, you are the unusual kind of stupid. Do you think these inane homophobic verbal gyrations convey any vital information? To the contrary. They say you are into useless gaslighting attempts to delegitimize ample suspicions that the PNC are up to their old tricks

Stormborn posted:
ronan posted:
Stormborn posted:
caribny posted:
Stormborn posted:

 I said, obviously someone is telling us something politically that Haitians are not only welcome they will be accommodated. It was a political message and decidedly so.

You cited this unity rally as evidence that impoverished Guyana was being overwhelmed by Haitians. You actually thought that this event was in Guyana. Even has Jagdeo and his people spouted vile bigotry about Haitians you condoned it and did NOT condemn it.

You have an active imagination. I said it was a political message.

one of the six 'stormborns' get ketch flinging up he "Haiti" skirt stupidly and people start point out that he ain't wearing no panty

watch him shuffling and sand dancin to the wings trying to fool people he hopes weren't paying attention

lol

inane homophobic verbal gyrations

ummmm . . . much much more pain, shaming and deserved ridicule in your future banna

dance and squeal some more señor six-head, dance

ronan posted:
Stormborn posted:
ronan posted:
Stormborn posted:
caribny posted:
Stormborn posted:

 I said, obviously someone is telling us something politically that Haitians are not only welcome they will be accommodated. It was a political message and decidedly so.

You cited this unity rally as evidence that impoverished Guyana was being overwhelmed by Haitians. You actually thought that this event was in Guyana. Even has Jagdeo and his people spouted vile bigotry about Haitians you condoned it and did NOT condemn it.

You have an active imagination. I said it was a political message.

one of the six 'stormborns' get ketch flinging up he "Haiti" skirt stupidly and people start point out that he ain't wearing no panty

watch him shuffling and sand dancin to the wings trying to fool people he hopes weren't paying attention

lol

inane homophobic verbal gyrations

ummmm . . . much much more pain, shaming and deserved ridicule in your future banna

dance and squeal some more señor six-head, dance

Actually, you are dancing a gig. Nothing new just your blunted  attempt at jibes that  you yourself do not understand. Do you think you are arguing with a woman with your panty reference? But that is self evident. It simply falls out like rain that you have little regards for them. You think they are weak hence you cast every man you have a disagreement with in female garb on the hope it gives your hallowed out arguments some traction. Pitiful....now dance.

Stormborn posted:
ronan posted:
Stormborn posted:
ronan posted:
Stormborn posted:
caribny posted:
Stormborn posted:

 I said, obviously someone is telling us something politically that Haitians are not only welcome they will be accommodated. It was a political message and decidedly so.

You cited this unity rally as evidence that impoverished Guyana was being overwhelmed by Haitians. You actually thought that this event was in Guyana. Even has Jagdeo and his people spouted vile bigotry about Haitians you condoned it and did NOT condemn it.

You have an active imagination. I said it was a political message.

one of the six 'stormborns' get ketch flinging up he "Haiti" skirt stupidly and people start point out that he ain't wearing no panty

watch him shuffling and sand dancin to the wings trying to fool people he hopes weren't paying attention

lol

inane homophobic verbal gyrations

ummmm . . . much much more pain, shaming and deserved ridicule in your future banna

dance and squeal some more señor six-head, dance

Do you think you are arguing with a woman with your panty reference?

fuss you runnin like a rass to “homophobic” for shelter

now you settle on this

mek up yuh mind banna . . . or, more to the point, get the six Stormborn heads together and wuk out a half decent ‘Ronan’ strategy

or perhaps one of the six is a gurl . . . hmmm ?

lol

ronan posted:
fuss you runnin like a rass to “homophobic” for shelter

now you settle on this

mek up yuh mind banna . . . or, more to the point, get the six Stormborn heads together and wuk out a half decent ‘Ronan’ strategy

or perhaps one of the six is a gurl . . . hmmm ?

lol

Shelter? You should seek it given you are among the few here who uses women as metaphor for weakness, speaks of people shaking their "batties" etc. I am just reminding you that it is offensive since you do not seem to have the grounding to grasp that fact. 

My six heads? Well there again you presume to run farther than you can walk. You only parrot what I say. But then again six heads are better than one.  Plus it makes dunces like you feel less intimidated and not feel you bad given you have an excuse that you are ganged up upon,. 

Stormborn posted:
ronan posted:
fuss you runnin like a rass to “homophobic” for shelter

now you settle on this

mek up yuh mind banna . . . or, more to the point, get the six Stormborn heads together and wuk out a half decent ‘Ronan’ strategy

or perhaps one of the six is a gurl . . . hmmm ?

lol

Shelter? You should seek it given you are among the few here who uses women as metaphor for weakness, speaks of people shaking their "batties" etc. I am just reminding you that it is offensive since you do not seem to have the grounding to grasp that fact. 

My six heads? Well there again you presume to run farther than you can walk. You only parrot what I say. But then again six heads are better than one.  Plus it makes dunces like you feel less intimidated and not feel you bad given you have an excuse that you are ganged up upon,. 

yess . . . i do draw a brite line between man and homan behavior

and we all know which side all “six” of your idle, FAKE personas happen to squat pan

now hustle go beg lil approbation from your abuser drugb you insecure little punk

ronan posted:
Stormborn posted:
ronan posted:
fuss you runnin like a rass to “homophobic” for shelter

now you settle on this

mek up yuh mind banna . . . or, more to the point, get the six Stormborn heads together and wuk out a half decent ‘Ronan’ strategy

or perhaps one of the six is a gurl . . . hmmm ?

lol

Shelter? You should seek it given you are among the few here who uses women as metaphor for weakness, speaks of people shaking their "batties" etc. I am just reminding you that it is offensive since you do not seem to have the grounding to grasp that fact. 

My six heads? Well there again you presume to run farther than you can walk. You only parrot what I say. But then again six heads are better than one.  Plus it makes dunces like you feel less intimidated and not feel you bad given you have an excuse that you are ganged up upon,. 

yess . . . i do draw a brite line between man and homan behavior

and we all know which side all “six” of your idle, FAKE personas happen to squat pan

now hustle go beg lil approbation from your abuser drugb you insecure little punk

Well, stupid old people usually do  as you do; presume that women are indelicate and given to shallow thinking. 

And, whatever the number of persona I  assumed it would hardly be unlikely "they" would think of you as any other than a pretentious gasbag.

Any insecurities being revealed here comes from you who cannot but offer to extol your own magnificence with each post. Alas; we all know what is said about self praise... no not that quote that would come to your simple mind but this,  "falsehood often lurks upon the tongue of him, who, by self-praise, seeks to enhance his value in the eyes of others".

Stormborn posted:
ronan posted:
Stormborn posted:
ronan posted:
fuss you runnin like a rass to “homophobic” for shelter

now you settle on this

mek up yuh mind banna . . . or, more to the point, get the six Stormborn heads together and wuk out a half decent ‘Ronan’ strategy

or perhaps one of the six is a gurl . . . hmmm ?

lol

Shelter? You should seek it given you are among the few here who uses women as metaphor for weakness, speaks of people shaking their "batties" etc. I am just reminding you that it is offensive since you do not seem to have the grounding to grasp that fact. 

My six heads? Well there again you presume to run farther than you can walk. You only parrot what I say. But then again six heads are better than one.  Plus it makes dunces like you feel less intimidated and not feel you bad given you have an excuse that you are ganged up upon,. 

yess . . . i do draw a brite line between man and homan behavior

and we all know which side all “six” of your idle, FAKE personas happen to squat pan

now hustle go beg lil approbation from your abuser drugb you insecure little punk

And, whatever the number of persona I  assumed it would hardly be unlikely "they" would think of you as any other than a pretentious gasbag.

oh my

suh, is which wan of your six insecure personas betray the rest in rhapsodizing about the “poetic” in my posts while he/she was drunk, eh?

har har

ronan posted:
Stormborn posted:
ronan posted:
Stormborn posted:
ronan posted:
fuss you runnin like a rass to “homophobic” for shelter

now you settle on this

mek up yuh mind banna . . . or, more to the point, get the six Stormborn heads together and wuk out a half decent ‘Ronan’ strategy

or perhaps one of the six is a gurl . . . hmmm ?

lol

Shelter? You should seek it given you are among the few here who uses women as metaphor for weakness, speaks of people shaking their "batties" etc. I am just reminding you that it is offensive since you do not seem to have the grounding to grasp that fact. 

My six heads? Well there again you presume to run farther than you can walk. You only parrot what I say. But then again six heads are better than one.  Plus it makes dunces like you feel less intimidated and not feel you bad given you have an excuse that you are ganged up upon,. 

yess . . . i do draw a brite line between man and homan behavior

and we all know which side all “six” of your idle, FAKE personas happen to squat pan

now hustle go beg lil approbation from your abuser drugb you insecure little punk

And, whatever the number of persona I  assumed it would hardly be unlikely "they" would think of you as any other than a pretentious gasbag.

oh my

suh, is which wan of your six insecure personas betray the rest in rhapsodizing about the “poetic” in my posts while he/she was drunk, eh?

har har

Whatever the explanation it was clearly a hasty conclusion. To say anything being presented by you of late is poetic would suggest a crippled aesthetic understanding of the craft. 

Stormborn posted:
ronan posted:
Stormborn posted:
ronan posted:
Stormborn posted:
ronan posted:
fuss you runnin like a rass to “homophobic” for shelter

now you settle on this

mek up yuh mind banna . . . or, more to the point, get the six Stormborn heads together and wuk out a half decent ‘Ronan’ strategy

or perhaps one of the six is a gurl . . . hmmm ?

lol

Shelter? You should seek it given you are among the few here who uses women as metaphor for weakness, speaks of people shaking their "batties" etc. I am just reminding you that it is offensive since you do not seem to have the grounding to grasp that fact. 

My six heads? Well there again you presume to run farther than you can walk. You only parrot what I say. But then again six heads are better than one.  Plus it makes dunces like you feel less intimidated and not feel you bad given you have an excuse that you are ganged up upon,. 

yess . . . i do draw a brite line between man and homan behavior

and we all know which side all “six” of your idle, FAKE personas happen to squat pan

now hustle go beg lil approbation from your abuser drugb you insecure little punk

And, whatever the number of persona I  assumed it would hardly be unlikely "they" would think of you as any other than a pretentious gasbag.

oh my

suh, is which wan of your six insecure personas betray the rest in rhapsodizing about the “poetic” in my posts while he/she was drunk, eh?

har har

. . . it was clearly a hasty conclusion. To say anything being presented by you of late is poetic would suggest a crippled aesthetic understanding of the craft. 

now now . . . there there . . . don’t be so hard on yourselves

lol lol!!

ronan posted:
 

. . . it was clearly a hasty conclusion. To say anything being presented by you of late is poetic would suggest a crippled aesthetic understanding of the craft. 

now now . . . there there . . . don’t be so hard on yourselves

lol lol!!

to the contrary! I am not hard on my self. I pity the fact how a little accolade feeds your parasitic need for adulation! 

Stormborn posted:
ronan posted:
 

. . . it was clearly a hasty conclusion. To say anything being presented by you of late is poetic would suggest a crippled aesthetic understanding of the craft. 

now now . . . there there . . . don’t be so hard on yourselves

lol lol!!

to the contrary! I am not hard on my self. I pity the fact how a little accolade feeds your parasitic need for adulation! 

are you so clueless, DUMB and jackasserish that you cannot see how confused and pitiful you come across with your all-ova-de-place struggling on this ‘issue’?

you are a strange character in need of serious intervention

i’m actually beginning to feel sorry for you

what a dope

ronan posted:
Stormborn posted:
ronan posted:
 

. . . it was clearly a hasty conclusion. To say anything being presented by you of late is poetic would suggest a crippled aesthetic understanding of the craft. 

now now . . . there there . . . don’t be so hard on yourselves

lol lol!!

to the contrary! I am not hard on my self. I pity the fact how a little accolade feeds your parasitic need for adulation! 

are you so clueless, DUMB and jackasserish that you cannot see how confused and pitiful you come across with your all-ova-de-place struggling on this ‘issue’?

you are a strange character in need of serious intervention

i’m actually beginning to feel sorry for you

what a dope

Clueless about what; the peculiarity  that you are an intellectual cripple using your own peculiar phrases in abusive tirades all the while extolling your brain size? No, that is obvious. Whatever, emotion you may insist is evocative of what you think of me is unfortunately your own pretentiousness bubbling to the top!

Stormborn posted:
ronan posted:
Stormborn posted:
ronan posted:
 

. . . it was clearly a hasty conclusion. To say anything being presented by you of late is poetic would suggest a crippled aesthetic understanding of the craft. 

now now . . . there there . . . don’t be so hard on yourselves

lol lol!!

to the contrary! I am not hard on my self. I pity the fact how a little accolade feeds your parasitic need for adulation! 

are you so clueless, DUMB and jackasserish that you cannot see how confused and pitiful you come across with your all-ova-de-place struggling on this ‘issue’?

you are a strange character in need of serious intervention

i’m actually beginning to feel sorry for you

what a dope

Clueless about what; the peculiarity  that you are an intellectual cripple using your own peculiar phrases in abusive tirades all the while extolling your brain size? No, that is obvious. Whatever, emotion you may insist is evocative of what you think of me is unfortunately your own pretentiousness bubbling to the top!

down buss a blood vessel banna,

is you open yuh mouth, unassisted i may add, and made a compelling jackass of all six of your heads

is that “poetic” enuf?

lol

ksazma posted:
Stormborn posted:
ronan posted:
 

. . . it was clearly a hasty conclusion. To say anything being presented by you of late is poetic would suggest a crippled aesthetic understanding of the craft. 

now now . . . there there . . . don’t be so hard on yourselves

lol lol!!

to the contrary! I am not hard on my self. I pity the fact how a little accolade feeds your parasitic need for adulation! 

The fool is like a battered spouse always needing to bring up some long obsolete compliment "but you said you will always love me" 

the  “battered spouse” persona is a gift to the six-head ‘Stormborn’ from Ronan

yes yes, we all know that y’all lame brains have acute problems with the ‘creativity’ ting

but you have neither the education nor the smarts to make a legit go of ‘copying’ me

it’s a fool’s errand . . . kapeesh?

aritey den

Your low self esteem is truly tearing you apart. Only a matter of time before you completely run mad. The signs are already showing and growing stronger with each passing day. No one sees Stormborn constantly pleading with anyone for acceptance like you do harping on some long passed compliment perhaps given at the time as a form of charity. Now you stupidly hold on to it as if it is the very oxygen you need to continue living. You are truly a very pathetic person. Get some professional help before you pose a danger to others.

ksazma posted:

Your low self esteem is truly tearing you apart. Only a matter of time before you completely run mad. The signs are already showing and growing stronger with each passing day. No one sees Stormborn constantly pleading with anyone for acceptance like you do harping on some long passed compliment perhaps given at the time as a form of charity. Now you stupidly hold on to it as if it is the very oxygen you need to continue living. You are truly a very pathetic person. Get some professional help before you pose a danger to others.

thus bleats the wannabe klansman of "Blacks are the scourge of the world" manifesto 'fame' picking up fire rage for po six head

interpreting and reinterpreting stormborn like the man is wan beaten-down invalid empty of ideas for 'explaining' away his idiocy and jackassishness

ain't it interesting that the coward sheet n hood klown posting as "Ksazma" want bad bad to pelt insult my way but friken jumbie lash from me bad bad suh he dare not mention my name and is reduced to lowering his eyes and talking to he navel

it's good that y'all afraid

uh huh

Nah. I chose to speak indirectly to you because I see no value in you. It is how I register my utmost contempt for the oxygen you are wasting on this planet. Speaking directly to you will make you feel you are worth something and that would be totally contrary to my assessment. I don't cower to black bullies especially ones I have already decided are worthless. Do you ever feel missed when you are not around? If you do, then you are even more delusional than being established.

ksazma posted:

Nah. I chose to speak indirectly to you because I see no value in you. It is how I register my utmost contempt for the oxygen you are wasting on this planet. Speaking directly to you will make you feel you are worth something and that would be totally contrary to my assessment. I don't cower to black bullies especially ones I have already decided are worthless. Do you ever feel missed when you are not around? If you do, then you are even more delusional than being established.

WATAX. 

Yuh nah worth much and yuh know it too. Like how yuh cried like a lil p ussy that you are leaving because no one is taking you seriously. For whatever you are lacking in your life, you are still here even though you still know, you must know that no one give a shit for anything that you post here. All you get is every poster's ridicule. Yet you still hang around. Evidence that your alternative is not even as good as the constant ridicule you get here.

ksazma posted:

Yuh nah worth much and yuh know it too. Like how yuh cried like a lil p ussy that you are leaving because no one is taking you seriously. For whatever you are lacking in your life, you are still here even though you still know, you must know that no one give a shit for anything that you post here. All you get is every poster's ridicule. Yet you still hang around. Evidence that your alternative is not even as good as the constant ridicule you get here.

heh heh heh . . . look how you non-respond to my every post

i must be the most IMPORTANT non-important person in your world

but one thing, you smart enough to bow yuh head and lower yuh eyes

is a good thing

lol

You begging desperately fuh lil recognition but yuh guh only get enough to facilitate the necessary ridicule of yuh sorry existence. Whah yuh nah guh get is any sense of comfort since yuh nah worth it. Not before yuh cried like a lil pu ssy about leaving because no one is taking you seriously nor after that inglorious display of desperation.

Damn, yuh still crawling begging fuh someone tuh tell yuh yuh gat some worth. Your level of desperation is grossly beyond reason. Like I say, your alternative has to be much more depressing than the ridicule you get from everyone here. Otherwise, how can you explain why you insist on taking the constant whipping you get.

This is how y'all people behave.

ksazma posted:

Like I say, your alternative has to be much more depressing than the ridicule you get from everyone here. Otherwise, how can you explain why you insist on taking the constant whipping you get.

ow, yuh still trying to imitate me and escape from the rhetorical trap you set for yuhself nuh?

heh heh heh

you should consider it a service that i have helped expand your lil bai vocabulary

now, lower yuh head, look down, and do what comes naturally

lol

Stormborn posted:
caribny posted:

And in case you didn't notice. 2% of FGs population is from GUYANA.

So Guyanese back track to FG as well as do Haitians!  Tell you fellow diseased buddy that, so he can stop screaming about Haitians!

The sick insisting they are sane while a contagion is what is seen. I know Guyanese go legally and illegally to FG. I went legally there many times to visit Family. However, they are all leapfrogging to the EU. They are already in the zone so if they have legal residents they can simply hop on a plane. FG is not a happy place. If you been there you would know most Haitians and Brazilians live is abject poverty grouped among themselves. All of this shit to tell us that Haitians are not remaining in GY. You do not know, I do not know. The possibility is there. It is far better than Haiti.

And yet you are still to tell us where the Haitians who remain in Guyana lived.

Btw Brazil announced that almost 7k Haitians entered that nation from Guyana, so you can run and scream about how they are anti PPP for allowing this.  Now you and Jagdeo look quite foolish.

Guyanese are 2% of FGs population so you can scream how bad it is.  Likely that they departed for that place when the PPP was in power, so it doesn't reflect well on PPP rule.

Dave posted:
 

 

You knows nothing about the welfare of Haitians in Guyana, so STFU. They are currently working for $3000. Cash per day, under cutting your kind ( Negro) , and putting them out of work... a few of your kind Negro  ( smartee ) who is providing housing for them is getting $1000. Per head by driving them to the job site. 

This is how it woking...

The big man ( boss ) usually pays $5000 per head for the locals l. He now pays $4000 per head . to one of your kind, who in turn pays the Haitians $3000. 

Figure out what’s going on and STFU. 

Really.  And so how come you and the rest of your Indo KKK frauds don't have a picture of Haitians on a worksite?  The best that you all could do was to post a bogus picture of them walking to Brazil.

 

Baseman posted:
 

 

 

Good synopsis.  Cribby, Ronan and Django think coolie people stupid!!

We don't "think" you all are.  We KNOW you all are because it has been established several months ago that Guyana is a way station on back tracking routes by BOTH Haitians and Cubans.

What we also do know is how your anti black hatred causes you to focus only on Haitians and not mention that Cubans do the SAME thing.

caribny posted:
Stormborn posted:
caribny posted:

And in case you didn't notice. 2% of FGs population is from GUYANA.

So Guyanese back track to FG as well as do Haitians!  Tell you fellow diseased buddy that, so he can stop screaming about Haitians!

The sick insisting they are sane while a contagion is what is seen. I know Guyanese go legally and illegally to FG. I went legally there many times to visit Family. However, they are all leapfrogging to the EU. They are already in the zone so if they have legal residents they can simply hop on a plane. FG is not a happy place. If you been there you would know most Haitians and Brazilians live is abject poverty grouped among themselves. All of this shit to tell us that Haitians are not remaining in GY. You do not know, I do not know. The possibility is there. It is far better than Haiti.

And yet you are still to tell us where the Haitians who remain in Guyana lived.

Btw Brazil announced that almost 7k Haitians entered that nation from Guyana, so you can run and scream about how they are anti PPP for allowing this.  Now you and Jagdeo look quite foolish.

Guyanese are 2% of FGs population so you can scream how bad it is.  Likely that they departed for that place when the PPP was in power, so it doesn't reflect well on PPP rule.

Why am I obliged to say where they are? I am saying there is wide spread concurrence on the discrepancy in entry and exit. Felix could satisfy this by asking the Brazilians for a list and sent the entry and exit lest to some of our news houses to satisfy the public need to know. 

Brazil has not announced anything. You are repeating what Felix said. He is the only source of that information. If they can lie about simple things as Virgin Air why not about the big things as the number of Haitians leaving? I do not know where they are. I am simply saying we need to be vigilant for PNC fraud. After all, they are masters of the craft.

Stormborn posted:

Why am I obliged to say where they are? I am saying there is wide spread concurrence on the discrepancy in entry and exit. Felix could satisfy this by asking the Brazilians for a list and sent the entry and exit lest to some of our news houses to satisfy the public need to know. 

Brazil has not announced anything. You are repeating what Felix said. He is the only source of that information. If they can lie about simple things as Virgin Air why not about the big things as the number of Haitians leaving? I do not know where they are. I am simply saying we need to be vigilant for PNC fraud. After all, they are masters of the craft.

the slow, painful climb-down in full effect

uh huh

ronan posted:
Stormborn posted:

Why am I obliged to say where they are? I am saying there is wide spread concurrence on the discrepancy in entry and exit. Felix could satisfy this by asking the Brazilians for a list and sent the entry and exit lest to some of our news houses to satisfy the public need to know. 

Brazil has not announced anything. You are repeating what Felix said. He is the only source of that information. If they can lie about simple things as Virgin Air why not about the big things as the number of Haitians leaving? I do not know where they are. I am simply saying we need to be vigilant for PNC fraud. After all, they are masters of the craft.

the slow, painful climb-down in full effect

uh huh

No, being a dim wit, the data is only now seeping across for you

Stormborn posted:
ronan posted:
Stormborn posted:

Why am I obliged to say where they are? I am saying there is wide spread concurrence on the discrepancy in entry and exit. Felix could satisfy this by asking the Brazilians for a list and sent the entry and exit lest to some of our news houses to satisfy the public need to know. 

Brazil has not announced anything. You are repeating what Felix said. He is the only source of that information. If they can lie about simple things as Virgin Air why not about the big things as the number of Haitians leaving? I do not know where they are. I am simply saying we need to be vigilant for PNC fraud. After all, they are masters of the craft.

the slow, painful climb-down in full effect

uh huh

No, being a dim wit, the data is only now seeping across for you

take your time . . . no rush

ronan posted:
Stormborn posted:
ronan posted:
Stormborn posted:

Why am I obliged to say where they are? I am saying there is wide spread concurrence on the discrepancy in entry and exit. Felix could satisfy this by asking the Brazilians for a list and sent the entry and exit lest to some of our news houses to satisfy the public need to know. 

Brazil has not announced anything. You are repeating what Felix said. He is the only source of that information. If they can lie about simple things as Virgin Air why not about the big things as the number of Haitians leaving? I do not know where they are. I am simply saying we need to be vigilant for PNC fraud. After all, they are masters of the craft.

the slow, painful climb-down in full effect

uh huh

No, being a dim wit, the data is only now seeping across for you

take your time . . . no rush

Fast or slow; with you is the same outcome...like Nehru. All posts have the same tenor and tone. They are even interchangeable!

Ohhhh skont...Nehru Rerun tarasss. Is why you people still carrying on with bs? We all know the main parties all have their ...ahem..deplorables, regardless which is in govt, the people are the ones being screwed.

The public need to demand every fricken one of the deplorables be accountable for their actions, PPP and APNU both. 

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