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Superb acceptance speech by Hillary Clinton.

Well presented with current issues now and the future plus showing the difference with the policies/approach of the Republican candidate.

The conventions are over and by next week the focused work begins.

All the best to Hillary Clinton, her supporters and team as they move on to victory in November 2016.

FM

Hillary Clinton stepped up to the plate big time tonight. She looked and sounded very Presidential.

You got a taste of what she will do to Donald Trump in the next 3 months. No one has belittled the Donald like she did tonight. She was very lawyerly in making her case for continuing to seek economic justice and to go after terrorism to keep America safe.

I had flash backs to Margaret Thatcher, Golda Meir, and Benazir Butto and Indira Ghandi. She was very assured and at times I thought to myself that she sounded more domineering as a President than Barack Obama. She has it.

As Pat Riley would say she has force and she brought it.

For CARIBNY there were 23 million plus pairs of eyeballs that saw every night of the Democratic Convention. In fact the first night this week had more viewership than Donald Trump acceptance speech night. I  know you believe that people made up their mind about Hillary already and not too many people check in to the Convention on TV. But these facts and the social media buzz cannot be ignored.

At thee nd of this campaign Trump will look like a pineata. HE will be one of those little men Hillary quoted Jackie Kennedy. And CARIBNY, the startegy is obviously to go after disaffected GOP voters and there are a lot of them. his will chip away at the white male demographic.

The Democrats had an all star lineup this past week, but the person who tugged at my emotions was Michelle Obama.

Kari

Hillary seem to have had some major face/neck-lift.  Anyway, the balloon show was great, not sure how the balloons look tomorrow!  Maybe as good as Hillary before the surgery?

Hillary has been a disaster as Secretary of Status Quo.  Only Trump will change America's fortunes.  The problem Hillary have, even tonight, she says what you want to hear, not what she really believes. Tonight was dominated by the Sanders and Trump agenda.  Miss Wall Street pet is suddenly Miss Bernie Sanders agenda.  Miss ISIS is a JV squad, suddenly sound like tough as nails Trump!

Hillary is at it again, making crooked promises!!

FM

Ba$e, you sound conflicted and I feel your pain. I know you get it and you keep it real, but you must say the things you say, even as you do it without conviction.

Leave aside the pluses of Hillary for a moment and look at what Donald Trump has to overcome.

  • First the reality of voting. In as much as a majority of people wonder how this race could be this close, as more people tune in and become more informed, the polling strength the Donald has among angry non-College educated whites will weaken.
  • The division in the ranks of the GOP. Note how unenthusiastic the party leaders are about Donald Trump.
  • The lawsuits over the companies and individuals he stiffed.
  • The insults to women (Rosie O'Donald, Megyn Kelly), veterans (John McCain), Blacks, Mexicans, Muslims, handicapped reporters, etc.
  • The insult to the military - "I know more about ISIS than the Generals".
  • Saying he will renege on NATO partners in a Treaty arrangement.
  • Insulting the American spirit with wanting ot buil;d a wall on the southern border and ban people from entering America based on religion.
  • A dangerous relationship with Putin to the point of encouraging Russian hackers to hack someone with Intelligence briefings.

An on and on it goes, Ba$e.

His biggest obstacle will be the spirit of America that Hillary brings, the policy specifics (maternity leave, student loan debt relief, more vocational training, a major infrastructure program, ensure that companies who stash money and jobs overseas do not get fiscal benefits, decisive action on ISIS); Hillary's experience and more. America got to know Hillary this week. You got to know her too Ba$e as someone who got CHIP (healkth insurance for kids), laws for education for disabled children; and exposing Alabama segregation practices. You saw her as a person who is driven by service ever because of her mother who was abandoned as a child.

I know you're chastised Ba$e, and I also know it will take some time to sync your public persona with your private thoughts as you become more informed.

Kari
Kari posted:

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For CARIBNY there were 23 million plus pairs of eyeballs that saw every night of the Democratic Convention..

The people who watch conventions on hot summer nights are the very politically committed.

In November another 100 million will show up to vote.  These people, many very tangential to the political process, will decide who wins.  At least those in about 10 states.

It will amaze you how uninterested, and ignorant of politics many of them are.

Don't get excited until the debates.  By then even those who get bored by politics understand that getting a vague sense of what is going on might be a good idea.

FM
ba$eman posted:

..  Only Trump will change America's fortunes.  .

You keep on saying this and yet you cannot tell us why.

Any way Hillary said that if The Donald wants to America great he should start making things in America.

Don't you agree?   So tell us why The Donald prefers to buy his supplies from Mexico, China and India instead of from NC or OH?

FM
Kari posted:

Ba$e, you sound conflicted and I feel your pain. I know you get it and you keep it real, but you must say the things you say, even as you do it without conviction.

Leave aside the pluses of Hillary for a moment and look at what Donald Trump has to overcome.

  • First the reality of voting. In as much as a majority of people wonder how this race could be this close, as more people tune in and become more informed, the polling strength the Donald has among angry non-College educated whites will weaken.
  • The division in the ranks of the GOP. Note how unenthusiastic the party leaders are about Donald Trump.
  • The lawsuits over the companies and individuals he stiffed.
  • The insults to women (Rosie O'Donald, Megyn Kelly), veterans (John McCain), Blacks, Mexicans, Muslims, handicapped reporters, etc.
  • The insult to the military - "I know more about ISIS than the Generals".
  • Saying he will renege on NATO partners in a Treaty arrangement.
  • Insulting the American spirit with wanting ot buil;d a wall on the southern border and ban people from entering America based on religion.
  • A dangerous relationship with Putin to the point of encouraging Russian hackers to hack someone with Intelligence briefings.

An on and on it goes, Ba$e.

His biggest obstacle will be the spirit of America that Hillary brings, the policy specifics (maternity leave, student loan debt relief, more vocational training, a major infrastructure program, ensure that companies who stash money and jobs overseas do not get fiscal benefits, decisive action on ISIS); Hillary's experience and more. America got to know Hillary this week. You got to know her too Ba$e as someone who got CHIP (healkth insurance for kids), laws for education for disabled children; and exposing Alabama segregation practices. You saw her as a person who is driven by service ever because of her mother who was abandoned as a child.

I know you're chastised Ba$e, and I also know it will take some time to sync your public persona with your private thoughts as you become more informed.

Kari while all your points are valid, this is a divided country, and given that you are Guyanese you should know what that means.

Those who insist in voting GOP will rationalize their decision by saying that Hillary is dishonest.  If you try to get them to deal with The Donald, they then scream that Obama is the worst president ever.  They will refuse to discuss the disaster that The Donald will commit. 

They may even secretly hope that the Dems actually turn out to rescue the USA from their lunacy (voting for Trump). 

The election will be 47-53% with a Hillary victory (ignoring the Greens and the Libertarians).  Only a slightly higher margin than usual, even though Trump is a SNL skit, by no means serious.

FM

CARIBNY, this is why your initial inkling in any issue of the day gets lost in follow-ups. I'll elucidate.

  • When you talk about demographics in Guyana the PPP's performance show a reality different from your prognostications. The same with US Presidential elections. Just revisit your trepidation about Obama's re-election bid.
  • When you talk about the scourge of Terrorism from people who misuse Islam and are from Arab Muslim countries, you go off on a bend about Muslims being the problem, having a problem and the only ones who can solve that problem (like Trump is the only one who can fix America's problems).
  • Then there is the equal-opportunity bashing of both the PPP and PNC and Indians and Blacks. But then you jump on an Indo-bashing that belies your original premise.

 

You will throw up your arms from now until after the vote about how Trump with a few swings here and there can become President. you will say it is to make the Democratic voters not complacent and assume a Hillary victory, but he real truth is looking at stats without the reality component.

It is clear to me that the battle for the votes of Independents or the casual Dem or GOP voter is what has always been. the white male non-college educated demographic strength must be seen in this context. You then add the female non-college educated demographic into that mix, whereas theirs is a different dynamic as seen from exit polling over the last few elections.

 

So Cribman, you now see why people call you racist and ignore the good points you make here?

Kari
Kari posted:

CARIBNY, this is why your initial inkling in any issue of the day gets lost in follow-ups. I'll elucidate.

  • When you talk about demographics in Guyana the PPP's performance show a reality different from your prognostications. The same with US Presidential elections. Just revisit your trepidation about Obama's re-election bid.
  • When you talk about the scourge of Terrorism from people who misuse Islam and are from Arab Muslim countries, you go off on a bend about Muslims being the problem, having a problem and the only ones who can solve that problem (like Trump is the only one who can fix America's problems).
  • Then there is the equal-opportunity bashing of both the PPP and PNC and Indians and Blacks. But then you jump on an Indo-bashing that belies your original premise.

 

You will throw up your arms from now until after the vote about how Trump with a few swings here and there can become President. you will say it is to make the Democratic voters not complacent and assume a Hillary victory, but he real truth is looking at stats without the reality component.

It is clear to me that the battle for the votes of Independents or the casual Dem or GOP voter is what has always been. the white male non-college educated demographic strength must be seen in this context. You then add the female non-college educated demographic into that mix, whereas theirs is a different dynamic as seen from exit polling over the last few elections.

 

So Cribman, you now see why people call you racist and ignore the good points you make here?

Kari all the polls showed that Brexit wouldn't happen, and its main defenders Farage and Johnson (Trump is a combination of the two) would lose as they are clowns.

Here we are. Brexit because the British white working class are in as bad a mood as those of the USA are.  And the hate the elites of London as much as those here hate the DC/NYC/Boston/LA crowd.

So turn out is important. because here is what happened. Londoners and young voters turned out in LOWER numbers, so even though possibly more English people favored remain, that wasn't reflected in the votes.

1.  Obama won the last election because the GOP got in their own way. Trying to re-instate Jim Crow voting laws in the South. Telling women that  the body can deal with rape.  Romney among his country club buddies boasting about lazy people.   But as of a few months before Valerie was running around black areas begging them to come out to vote.  And sending Michelle, who she knows black women worship.  Remember Obama got only 50% of the vote, so it was a close call when you bring it to the state level.

2. Demographics in Guyana are highly predictive. Are you joining that silly band wagon of the coalition where they pretend as if they have solved the racial voting patterns of Guyana? Since they won any discussion of race is treason!

I don't think that there was any shock about where the PPP and APNU won. The only shock was the heavy turn out in PNC areas, and the degree to which the PPP terrified the rural Indian vote, so took back most who defected to Nagamootoo in 2011.

3. I "Indo bash" because the majority here "Afro bash", or remain silent when Afro bashing is going on. I show way more balance on this than even you do.  Only when inexcusable Indo racism shows up you (to your credit) begin to discuss it.  In fact the month when I was banned GNI descended into a full fledged anti black hate site as I wasn't around to push back.  Stormborn refused to post, leaving poor Django and a few others to beat back the brown bai KKK.

 

Kari Hillary isn't in bed celebrating her excellent convention. Bleary eyed and tired she went straight to those very states where Trump might make inroads. PA one might ask, given that its been a while since the GOP won there!  Yes PA, because she knows that its a 2% margin of victory, and so if there is a 10% shift of the white working class she loses that state, OH, and IA, and maybe even MI, though that's less likely given the popularity of the auto bailout.

Hillary knows that she needs to drum into the heads of white working class people what a con man Trump is.  She fully understands that for many of them 12 years of no white man at the top undermines their self esteem, given their eroded socio economic status, so she needs to tell them that, even though they may hate her, Trump is jus BAD NEWS.

So yes slight movement in swing states is a concern. NOT every one analyzes politics the way that you do. For many its a gut thought, as they guzzle down beers, moan about their wife and all the collection agencies calling them, since their pay dropped by 50% when they lose that union factory job.

FM

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