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Case filed by suspended PSC: Hearing of application to remove President as party set for August 16

High Court Judge Gino Persaud will, on August 16, begin hearing arguments in an application filed by Attorney General Anil Nandlall, SC to have President Irfaan Ali removed as a respondent in the case file by the suspended Police Service Commission (PSC).

Chaired by retired Assistant Commissioner of Police Paul Slowe, the PSC last month instituted legal proceedings to have its June 16 suspension by the President declared unconstitutional. Besides President Ali, others listed as respondents in the matter are Prime Minister Mark Phillips, Attorney General Anil Nandlall, Police Commissioner Nigel Hoppie, and secretary to the commission.

During a brief virtual hearing on Wednesday, Nandlall pointed to the importance of a determination of the interlocutory application before the court proceeds to hear the substantive matter. In the application, Nandlall contends that naming the Head of State as a respondent in any matter is unconstitutional and is in breach of the State Liability and Proceedings Act.

The Attorney General argues that pursuant to Article 182 of the Constitution of Guyana, the President has immunity from the judicial process, whether criminal or civil proceedings. He submitted that Article 182 states that, subject to the provisions of Article 180, the holder of the office of President shall not be personally answerable to any Court for the performance of the functions of his or her office, or any act done in the performance of those functions.

Moreover, Nandlall has said the Article outlines that no proceedings, whether criminal or civil, shall be instituted against the Head of State in his/her personal capacity in respect to his/her functions during office.

He added, “Whilst any person holds or performs the functions of the office of President, no criminal proceedings shall be instituted or continued against him or her in respect of anything done or omitted to be done by him or her in his or her private capacity.

“And no civil proceedings shall be instituted or continued in respect of which relief is claimed against him or her for anything done or omitted to be done in his or her private capacity.”

Under Article 89, the President is the Head of State, the supreme executive authority, and Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces of the Republic of Guyana; and, as a consequence, all actions brought against him in his capacity as Head of State should only name the Attorney General, Nandlall argues.

Nandlall relies on Section 10 of the State Liability and Proceedings Act to amplify this point.

Slowe and several members of the PSC are currently facing criminal charges in the Georgetown Magistrates’ Courts. They have been implicated in a $10 million fraud over duties delegated to them for revising the Police Force’s raft of Standing Orders.

It is alleged that the officers collected payments amounting to $10 million, but never provided the Force with a raft of revised Standing Orders.

President Ali has suspended the PSC Chairman and Commissioners Michael Somersall, Claire Jarvis, Vesta Adams, and Clinton Conway – all retired Assistant Commissioners of Police – weeks after the Prime Minister had written to them, asking them to show cause why the fraud charges against them should not result in their removal from the constitutional body.

The Prime Minister, in the letter, had said he was exercising powers vested in him by Article 225 of the Constitution, which mandates that a person shall not be removed from a constitutional office except for inability to discharge the function, or for misbehaviour.

That article further provides that a constitutional office holder can be removed by the President if an appointed tribunal recommends the removal of that person.

The tribunal is to be appointed following the advice of a prescribed authority, in this case the Prime Minister, and is to be constituted in consultation with the Judicial Service Commission (JSC).

The JSC is currently not functioning. The last JSC was appointed by former President Donald Ramotar on September 11, 2014. The tenure of each appointed member is for three years; therefore, the tenure of the last Commission expired on September 12, 2017.

The PSC was suspended pending the establishment of a tribunal. Notwithstanding its suspension, the PSC, through its lawyers, has maintained that it will disregard the President’s “purported suspension” and continue with its mandate in respect to disciplining and promotion of officers of the Guyana Police Force.

The life of the PSC expires at the end of this month.

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Immunities of President

Laws of Guyana -- http://www.oas.org/juridico/sp...guy_constitution.pdf

182. (1) Subject to the provisions of article 180, the holder of the office of President shall not be personally answerable to any court for the performance of the functions of his office or for any act done in the performance of those functions and no proceedings, whether criminal or civil, shall be instituted against him in his personal capacity in respect thereof either during his term of office or thereafter.

    (2) Whilst any person holds or performs the functions of the office of President no criminal proceedings shall be instituted or continued against him in respect of anything done or omitted to be done by him in his private capacity and no civil proceedings shall be instituted or continued in respect of which relief is claimed against him for anything done or omitted to be done in his private capacity.

    (3) Where provision is made by law limiting the time within which proceedings of any description may be brought against any person, the period during which any person holds or performs the functions of the office of President shall not be taken into account in calculating any period of time prescribed by that law for bringing any such proceedings as are mentioned in paragraph (2) against him.

FM
@Former Member posted:

The Attorney General argues that pursuant to Article 182 of the Constitution of Guyana, the President has immunity from the judicial process, whether criminal or civil proceedings. He submitted that Article 182 states that, subject to the provisions of Article 180, the holder of the office of President shall not be personally answerable to any Court for the performance of the functions of his or her office, or any act done in the performance of those functions.

banna - again, stop making out like you know what the law is

highlighting nandlall's reading of the law is not necessarily the law - he's making a case for y'all boy, ali, not to face the court over his behaviour towards the psc. the uitvlugt university graduate is trying to avoid being questioned by psc lawyers - he's running

this is a question of hats and while the law the "installed" ag quoted speaks to, ali's, "personal" and "private" capacities, lawyers for the psc will argue he is being named in his official capacity. the court will decide -  not the "installed" ag and certainly not you

a word of advice, try to stay away from posting on the law and the courts - you don't understand what the HELL is going on

S
@Former Member posted:

The Attorney General argues that pursuant to Article 182 of the Constitution of Guyana, the President has immunity from the judicial process, whether criminal or civil proceedings. He submitted that Article 182 states that, subject to the provisions of Article 180, the holder of the office of President shall not be personally answerable to any Court for the performance of the functions of his or her office, or any act done in the performance of those functions.

@Spugum posted:

banna - again, stop making out like you know what the law is

highlighting nandlall's reading of the law is not necessarily the law - he's making a case for y'all boy, ali, not to face the court over his behaviour towards the psc. the uitvlugt university graduate is trying to avoid being questioned by psc lawyers - he's running

@Former Member posted:

Immunities of President

Laws of Guyana -- http://www.oas.org/juridico/sp...guy_constitution.pdf

182. (1) Subject to the provisions of article 180, the holder of the office of President shall not be personally answerable to any court for the performance of the functions of his office or for any act done in the performance of those functions and no proceedings, whether criminal or civil, shall be instituted against him in his personal capacity in respect thereof either during his term of office or thereafter.

    (2) Whilst any person holds or performs the functions of the office of President no criminal proceedings shall be instituted or continued against him in respect of anything done or omitted to be done by him in his private capacity and no civil proceedings shall be instituted or continued in respect of which relief is claimed against him for anything done or omitted to be done in his private capacity.

    (3) Where provision is made by law limiting the time within which proceedings of any description may be brought against any person, the period during which any person holds or performs the functions of the office of President shall not be taken into account in calculating any period of time prescribed by that law for bringing any such proceedings as are mentioned in paragraph (2) against him.

Immunities of President ---  referring to ALL presidents of Guyana pursuant to the Laws of Guyana.

FM
@Former Member posted:

Immunities of President ---  referring to ALL presidents of Guyana pursuant to the Laws of Guyana.

i explained the arguments to you above, what is the matter with you?

this is not about presidents it's about what capacity he's being named in, "personal", "private", "official". psc lawyers argue he can be named in his official capacity. the court will decide

S
@Mitwah posted:

It seems like the President of Shithole Guyana got more immunity than the President of the USA.

yea bai. allah blessed me richly. allahu akbar

jaggy and his party are communists. he made me president, he running de country, anil doing all the legal work, we is de triumvirate

FM
@Mitwah posted:

It seems like the President of Shithole Guyana got more immunity than the President of the USA.

Yep, Jagdeo does seem to have more immunity than most Presidents. I wonder if that Ali banna has as much immunity.

cain
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@Former Member posted:

Immunities of President

Laws of Guyana -- http://www.oas.org/juridico/sp...guy_constitution.pdf

182. (1) Subject to the provisions of article 180, the holder of the office of President shall not be personally answerable to any court for the performance of the functions of his office or for any act done in the performance of those functions and no proceedings, whether criminal or civil, shall be instituted against him in his personal capacity in respect thereof either during his term of office or thereafter.

Whether the PNCR, PPPC, etc., is in government, Section 182 outlines the procedures for the President of Guyana.

FM
@Mitwah posted:

It seems like the President of Shithole Guyana got more immunity than the President of the USA.

@cain posted:

Yep, Jagdeo does seem to have more immunity than most Presidents.

I wonder if that Ali banna has as much immunity.

Jagdeo, Granger, etc., as past president, have the immunity as outlined in the Constitution and related Laws.

FM

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