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By not paying taxes the Oil Companies are getting a free ride

Dear Editor,

Distinguished Retired Economics and Business Professor Dr. Ganga Ramdas’ of the Oil and Gas Governance Network (OGGN), asserts that Guyana is losing an approximate US$62 million annually due to Exxon not paying taxes, as other companies do. Many newspapers and commentators such as Guyana icon Christopher Ram have lamented this sad state of affairs of Exxon not actually paying taxes but receiving a Tax Certificate from Government that they have paid taxes. In response, Mr. JC Bhagwandin, a Financial & Economic Analyst and Adjunct Instructor at Texila American University, says, “The oil deal was designed to cater for the nature of the industry.” This argument evades the issue of oil companies not paying taxes. Also, this is an unusual oil deal not common in the oil industry anywhere in the world. This deal came about because we have dullards in successive governments in Guyana.

Mr. Bhagwandin does not disagree with Dr. Ramdas’s assertion on the tax loss to Guyana. Rather than providing a sensible refutation of what amount is being lost, the financial analyst appears to have chosen to be an apologist and apparent spokesman for the Oil Companies and Guyana Government unwilling to renegotiate the oil contract. Notice that Exxon never says anything in its defence, that it is always the Government or folks aligned with the Government who make excuses and act as PR spokesmen for the oil companies. By not paying taxes, the Oil Companies are getting a free ride on the backs of other businesses and taxpayers who have to pay taxes as they go. Business taxes pay for much of our infrastructure and government services which are used by the Oil Companies. There is no doubt about that. Mr. Bhagwandin’s angle is similar to the Government’s argument that Guyana will make lots of money in the long run if we will “drill baby drill” and to hell with environmental concerns. What’s a little flaring, don’t bother that the contract is the worst in the world, don’t try to renegotiate, we got it good! That’s what they say.

Tell that to the poor people in our poor country now reeling from devastating floods. Our current flood disasters make the case that we need the oil money to build massive sea defence and infrastructure to avoid being drowned by unusual flooding as we are facing now. Most of our streets in Guyana need paving. The mud roads have been washed away. Every type of infrastructure need modernization and we need expansion of services – water, electricity, Internet services, hospitals, roads, ferries, schools, canals need to be dug and kept maintained on a sustainable basis, etc. Everything needs fixing and modernization, and we need lots of money to do it. We cannot continue to be a rich nation of poor people as President Ali said. Mr. Bhgawandin would do a service to the poor, huddled masses yearning to be rich if he is on the side of the working poor, rather than being a point man for the oil interests and a Government unwilling to renegotiate the oil contact as was promised during the election. That’s a “promise made, promise not kept.” The potential to make money in the future, providing there is no oil spill or other oil related disaster, does not negate Dr. Ramdas’ article that Oil Companies are not paying taxes on the billions of US dollars that they make in Guyana due to an unfair contract. We must change this! We must renegotiate now!

Sincerely,

Dr. Jerry Jailall

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The contexts of Guyana and Suriname oil and gas agreements are not the same

Dear Editor,

Dr. Jerry Jailall, who seems to be a colleague and/or a friend of Dr. Ganga Ramdas, sought to respond to my letter to the press in which I countered Dr. Ramdas’s argument on oil companies and taxes in Guyana. Dr. Jailall hastened to defend his colleague but completely ignored the fundamental context of my counter analysis/argument to Dr. Ramdas’s missive. Dr. Jailall, in so doing, comported himself by labelling me as a spokesperson for the government and oil companies and he attempted to advocate for the poor and working class. As a distinguished professor, I am disappointed that Dr. Jailall opted to omit the usual flair of scholarship which characterizes the work of academics and instead diverted to an emotive – unscholarly opinion piece devoted to his colleague’s defense.

As a young professional Guyanese – living in Guyana, who have authored more than 300 articles on economic and finance issues over the last 3-4 years including extensive work covering a variety of thematic areas on the emerging oil and gas sector; these issues should not be treated with emotions. Particularly, these are extremely complex issues (nationally and globally) and are of great national importance, and therefore, professionals of Dr. Jailall’s and Dr. Ramdas’s caliber ought to devote much more energy to address these issues thoroughly and objectively – as professors or experts as they are so regarded, rather than opinion pieces akin to ordinary (top of the surface) commentaries. I will not rehash my full analysis that was published yesterday (June 3, 2021) widely in the local press – but I must correct Dr. Jailall that I am not a spokesman for the Government neither the oil companies – rather I am a mere analyst who thoroughly examines the facts within the context of the realities in which we exist and operate and I do not produce mal-analysis/mediocre analysis divorced from the pragmatic realities of the dynamic global, regional and local business environment.  Also, I have noted another counter argument by Mr. Mike Singh in defense of Dr. Ganga Ramdas and who sought to rubbish the argument I made on the scale of investment. Again, both Mr. Singh and Dr. Jailall have ignored my full analysis and proper context. Mr. Singh further went on to draw comparison to Suriname’s fiscal framework where oil companies are subjected to pay a 6.5% royalty, 36% income tax plus profit share – and again another poor attempt at a comparative analysis without understanding the full contexts of both countries.

Editor, in the interest of space – hereunder mentioned are some key points in response to Dr. Jailall and Mr. Singh: –

i)  Suriname’s fiscal framework for the oil and gas sector cannot be compared to Guyana for the following reasons:

–  Suriname, unlike Guyana, had a fiscal framework in place long before Guyana found oil (in fact, more than half of a century ago). Here is the historic fact about oil exploration in both countries;

–   Oil seeps were known from the 1800s into the 1900s in both countries. Onshore exploration in Suriname discovered oil at a 160m depth in 1968. First oil began in 1982. Currently, these fields are producing around 16,000 barrels per day.

–  Suriname only recently discovered oil offshore and offshore production will commence in 2025.

–  In the case of Guyana, oil was discovered in 2015 by ExxonMobil. There were a number of unsuccessful explorations which began since in the 1950s. Hence, the gap between Suriname and Guyana as oil producing countries is more than 50 years. The reality is such that these are two completely different eras – from half of a century ago to now. Moreover, the global economy is constantly evolving and with climate change and climate change policies, the dynamics of the global oil industry is changing rapidly. So, to compare Guyana and Suriname is like comparing apples and oranges because the context of both countries is not the same with respect to oil and gas.

ii)  It is not a case where this author or the current government is glorifying the current PSA with the oil company. The records would show that this author, over the years when the PSA was made public, criticized the loopholes/weaknesses of the PSA. But at the same time, it is not the worst contract and it’s not a case where it is not a relatively decent contract given the hybrid model of royalty and profit share with the 75% cost recovery. As I have shown in my previous letter, during cost recovery, Guyana’s net take is 14.5% and post recovery Guyana’s net take could be as high as 37%, bearing in mind that recovery can be as short as 3-4 years in the given model.

iii) There are other ways and means to extract more value for Guyana under the current framework – which the government is actively pursuing such as strong local content, emphasis on capacity building, there is also the greater Guyana initiative for example, where Exxon has committed $20 billion to aid Guyana’s sustainable economic development over the next decade. Importantly to note is that the government clarified that all CSR expenditure will not be included in recovery cost.

iv)  I asked the question, which investor today and within the current global economic and industry landscape in oil and gas would want to pay to a host country 2% royalty, 50% profit, plus 25% income tax. The issue that these proponents are ignoring is that they have failed to acknowledge that the oil and gas sector has a different fiscal framework outside of the normal fiscal framework. That is to say, ordinary companies in the other sectors are required to pay corporate taxes of 25 % or 35% but are not required to share 50% profit with the government neither are they subjected to paying royalties. This needs to be acknowledged and put into the correct context – rather than misleading an entire nation with flawed arguments.

v) The proponents also are treating Exxon and oil companies as though they are enemies to Guyana. This is a dangerous and unfair premise. Exxon is not an enemy to Guyana, rather, Exxon is Guyana’s development partner. If it wasn’t for Exxon, then the oil resource would have remained in the ground.

vi) The oil company is not the solution to all of Guyana’s problems.

vii) While the current PSA may not be renegotiated by the government, it can and should be leveraged to negotiate a better PSA for new contracts. In other words, the government now has greater bargaining power when it comes to securing new deals in the sector.

viii) On the point of poverty which Dr. Jailall alluded to – ExxonMobil is not the solution to poverty; education is. To this end, less than 5% of Guyana’s labour force are educated at a tertiary level. Therefore, it’s a grave mistake to think that the oil wealth will solve this; it is rather how the wealth will be utilized. The President has already outlined to the nation that the government will be investing heavily in education. (I will elaborate more on this aspect of the argument in a separate essay). For example, 20,000 scholarships and free education within the next five years or so at the university level.

ix) It should also be acknowledged that the indirect benefits may far outweigh the direct benefits to Guyana – as a result of Exxon’s operations in Guyana and the new emerging oil and gas sector altogether.

Editor, I will devote a separate piece to delve into deeper analysis on the indirect benefits next week. For now, I will stop short to say that we need to stop treating ExxonMobil as though they are the enemy. ExxonMobil is Guyana’s development partner and we all need to support the government and its development partners – and work together as a nation to advance the transformational and sustainable economic development of Guyana, for the benefit and prosperity of all its people.

Sincerely,

J.C Bhagwandin

Financial & Economic Analyst

Adjunct Professor, Texila American University,

Business College

Django

Mr J. Bhagwindin is not entirely wrong. PSAs are for exactly what he said. MNCs are known for hiding profits and it is well known that PSAs are used as a separate regime to make things simple for governments. It may be that the PSA violates the laws and constitution of GY, but that's another matter. JCB should be more cautions with his language, however.

Anyway...there is no way Exxon will pay corporation tax in Guyana. Or they will pay very little. These people have the best lawyers and accountants to hide their profits.

FM
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I dunno, but what he.says about other sectors not being required to.pay 50% of profits is an important reminder!

On the other hand, oil is a non-renewable national resource! Why should any company squeeze it dry of its value for themselves alone, leaving the nation with very little to show for its licensing?

FM

Is Bhagwandin qualified to say Exxon paying fair share taxes?

DEAR EDITOR,

Reference is made to a missive by Prof. Ganga Ramdas (June 2) and response by one Joel Bhagwandin (Jun 3) who signed as a financial expert and Adjunct Professor at Texila. Since when Guyana has Adjunct Professors? There are adjunct lecturers, not professors.
Dr. Ramdas asks a fair question – How much taxes would have been paid by Exxon if not exempted. And he arrives at a proximate number of US $62M, although it could be a lot more because of the vagaries of oil price on the international market. Since we do not have an audit of oil extracted, there is no way to tell whether Guyana is receiving the right amounts of barrels of oil in terms of the quarterly lift of about a million barrels each.
Bhagwandin asserts that because oil drilling is capital intensive, Exxon should not have to pay any tax. Should anyone take J.C. Bhagwandin’s commentary seriously? Here are some facts to consider, As capital extensive as it is, and Exxon invested multiple times in cost in capital equipment in other countries, Exxon paid taxes of between 25 percent and 35 percent in every jurisdiction it operates, as well as duties on imports. Because Guyana is a gravy train, Exxon is shutting down operations all over the globe and focusing on Guyana, its most profitable venture in history. If you don’t have to pay taxes and or duties on imports and no user fees and your staff are exempted from taxation that is the right place a company would want to do business.
Bhagwandin was very disrespectful of Prof. Ramdas, an accomplished academic. Can Bhagwandin be described as an expert in taxation or finance or oil or a lecturer or banker without examining his credentials? If not, he would get an undeserved legitimacy ahead of Ramdas. I Googled his name to find out about his expertise. He describes himself as “Chief Financial Advisor/Analyst providing business & financial consulting in the areas of banking and corporate finance advisory solutions to private corporations and the Public Sector.” He also says that he is “a prolific academic and a part time Lecturer for MBA and BBA programmes in business economics at Texila.” Wow!
There is no information where Bhagwandin was or is a banker and his experience in banking. I look to see if he is a CPA or an accredited accountant. None listed. Bhagwandin does not tell us where he studied and his degrees. He did say he is doing a second MA and a PhD simultaneously through long distance. Congrats? But first, we need to know where he did his BA and MA degrees. I do not know if he did a BA degree at University of Leonora Business School on the West Coast. I was told that he enrolled at Guyana Nation’s University and got an MBA. Is that correct? Was that without meeting the entrance requirement of a BA? Can he please verify? Is Nation’s accredited? By which accrediting agency?
For the benefit of this “prolific academic,” the progression of studies is GCE/CXC, Associates (not given in Guyana), Bachelors, Masters and then PhD. In traditional real academia, BA degree is mandatory for entrance into a MA programme. UG is the only recognised degree-granting institute in Guyana.
Listed in Google are a few papers Bhagwandin wrote presumably for the on-line courses he took. But these papers seem cut and pasted without originality and not offering new ideas. The writing is poor like his response to Dr. Ramdas. Should readers take Bhagwandin’s outpouring seriously? He has consistently sought to debunk the argument that Exxon has ‘cheated’ Guyana of fair royalty and taxes. Bhagwandin’s idea that Exxon should not pay taxes has been circulating since 2016 and has been responded to, debunked by real academics. What Bhagwandin wrote is not a critique of Ramdas. It is called singing for supper. It is propaganda for the oil company. The whole aim is to repeat the Exxon mantra, so people buy into it that Exxon is enriching Guyana.
Exxon is good for Guyana if it pays its fair share in taxes and international norm on royalty and profit sharing of about 22 percent. Bhagwandin engages in mirage mathematics. Where in the contract does it say that 75 percent cost recovery would end after a fixed period or after Exxon recovers the cost of Liza 1? Seventy-five percent upfront cost recovery is likely to remain forever in the extraction of oil because there is no ring fencing – meaning costs for other explorations would continue to be deducted from oil sales. What is tragic for Guyana is someone without serious training from a traditional university setting, and seemingly of below-par academic credentials, is an advisor to the Private Sector Commission and the government (?) in the fields of finance, banking, and the economy. What does that say about the government and the PSC?

Yours truly,
Shawn Simmons

Django

Reply to Simmons’ attack on the credibility of Guyanese academic JC Bhagwandin

June 7 ,2021

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Reply to Simmons’ attack on the credibility of Guyanese academic JC Bhagwandin

Hello Mr Simmons!

I read your letter in response to JC’s assertion that Exxon should pay no tax. You did indicate that in other jurisdictions, Exxon had to pay tax. What you must understand is that it was the PNCR that negotiated the PSA and it was they who determined that Exxon should pay no tax. Not JC. Who should be blamed for Exxon not paying tax? So far, so good.

It is, what it is. JC like most people, accepts the reality that the contract could not be re-negotiated because of the “stability” clause, unless both sides agree to re-negotiation. The PNCR spoke on the sanctity of international contracts. I believe that the PPPC shares this perspective too. For reasons known to the PNCR and also to the PPPC, this (re-negotiation)  has not been on their agenda. Perhaps civil society could have lobbied for this!

What is startling about your further commentary is that you began to get personal by chastising JC about his qualifications. I guess that you are not interested in his analytic ability. And to subtly bring President Dr Irfaan Ali’s qualifications (by reference to Leonora)  into the picture is disingenous. Your comments in this regard are derogatory and offensive not only to JC but also to the President, who has demonstrated his craftsmanship and wisdom in leading Guyana.

Why do you have to get personal with analysts?

I don’t know JC personally but he is highly respected by many scholars, including professors. Myself and Prof Ganga Ramdas are personal friends but he would never attack anyone personally but keep focus on the issues. JC has done many excellent analyses on the economic condition of Guyana.

I personally care greatly about the type of contents that people produce rather than what they acquire academically. This is in no way to devalue academic qualifications once these are utilize for the advancement of humanity.

Finally, I was told by a distinguished American professor that this young man JC, has a bright future in his field of operations. I read many of his (JC) articles and I agree with the professor.

Regards.

Dr Tara Singh

Django

What qualification does one need to contribute/discuss/debate issues of national importance?

DEAR EDITOR,

I usually ignore politicians who demonstrate absurdity when they speak or write. However, I am hard-pressed to respond to a politician or someone who appears to be a politician within, Mr. Shawn Simmons – whose letter was carried in Kaieteur News on June 5, 2021.
Mr. Simmons, instead of contributing in any meaningful and substantive manner to the debate or the subject matter – he instead sought to question my credentials. Mr. Simmons appeared to have enquired as to who I am and what qualifications I hold and from his description – he visited my LinkedIn profile as well. But if he so did, I am wondering why was he dishonest to state that he did not find which university (ies) I studied with, or maybe it was a case where he did not look thoroughly; or he was being deliberately mischievous – which would not be surprising given who he seems to be.
So, for Mr. Simmon’s information and whatever its worth, I did my first Master’s Degree with Edinburgh Napier University, which is ranked (globally) in the top five percent World University Rankings or in the top 100. It is also among the top 10 universities for graduate employability in the United Kingdom. I studied with the University of Cambridge as well, which has global rankings. In addition, if my credentials were not authentic – I would not have been awarded a US$5,000 tuition waiver sponsored by the Inter-American Development Bank to participate in an Executive Training Course in Macro-financial policymaking in emerging economies with another highly prestigious university in the United States, Columbia University. I am currently doing another Masters in Accounting and Finance through London School of International Business and the University of Chichester, another university of international standing – ranked among the top 30 universities in the United Kingdom (national rankings produced by the Guardian University Guide, 2021).
With respect to my PhD studies, I am doing a PhD in development studies concurrently through published works with Edinburgh Napier University, a route to a PhD available only to employees and alumnus of the university. I should mention, too, that last year I participated in an international academic conference (my first international academic publication) with the West East Institute (WEI) International Academic Conferences on Business, Education, and Social Sciences which is held annually at the Harvard University Faculty Club in Boston. The paper I presented was published in the Journal of WEI Business and Economics (this is an annual international academic conference, which I intend to participate every year going forward and have my work published in the WEI Journal of Business and Economics).
Having said that, Mr. Simmons is out of his depths because one does not need a specific qualification to contribute, comment, discuss or critically analyse any issue of national importance. Further, I am well aware of the profiles of the professors whose writings I have challenged and like I usually tell my students, to be a critical thinker, one has to have a mind of their own and ought to be able to examine critically complex issues. Not because someone is regarded as distinguished and holds five degrees it means what they say is gospel. It doesn’t work like that.
Finally, the fact that Mr. Simmon’s did not address my argument in any meaningful and substantive manner is not an unusual style by Guyanese politicians of a certain political entity. In other words, it is not an unusual practice by some politicians in Guyana that when they do not have anything of substance to say or contribute on an issue – they resort to attacking the person. Look at the quality of the budget (2020 & 2021) debates in the National Assembly, for example.

Yours faithfully,
J.C. Bhagwandin

Django

I love the way Mr Bhagwandin defended himself and his credentials...quite unlike a certain chap while running for the Presidency who's only explanation on his matter when his papers were in question was, 'What time is dinner?"

cain
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Dr. Ramdas is right that Exxon not paying taxes

DEAR EDITOR,

Reference is made to the letter titled, “What qualification does one need to contribute/discuss/debate issues of national importance” by Joel Bhagwandin (June 9).
No formal or credentialed qualification is required to pen or reply to a letter. There are individuals who never went to university but write extremely well; several write in all the media and I don’t wish to identify their names. They don’t pretend to be university educated. They don’t challenge the competence and skill of those more endowed. They self-study and learn from critiques of others more intellectually endowed than them. They seek to master a subject matter with assistance from those more competent in the field. They are humble. They are not arrogant. All of those qualities were missing in the retort and rejoinder of Joel Bhagwandin whose writings are replete with arrogance.
The subject of tax is a technical issue as is the contract with Exxon. I am far from being a specialist in the fields although I have some background in both. Dr. Ganga Ramdas is an economist and a foremost tax specialist. He also has a quantitative background. His doctoral dissertation is on tax; that is his specialisation. His MA also focused on taxation. He worked at the Bank of Guyana and Ministry of Finance and was also appointed to the IMF and World Bank by Dr. Jagan during the early 1990s. Dr. Ramdas is a foremost authority in taxation. It is out of Bhagwandin’s league to question or derogate Dr. Ramdas background and expertise.
All that Dr. Ramdas penned was that if Exxon were to pay corporate tax for 2020, Guyana would be US$62M richer (probably much more if there is an audit of Exxon’s expense) for 2020. And that amount of taxes would allow each of our pensioners to receive US$2,200 per annum with a lot left over. It is noted that Exxon pays corporate tax to the US (home base) from its earnings in Guyana but no tax to Guyana. Is that fair? A new international agreement is being worked out among the G7 countries in which Exxon would have to pay the US a minimum 15 percent tax in its profits earned in Guyana.
I am no writing scholar. But on writing skills, Dr. Ramdas is flawless, almost to the point of perfection. This is not coincidental. He has sound academic training. He completed an undergraduate degree (BA) at a university with sit in classes amongst other students, all of whom learn from one another – a background that is not possible through the on-line medium of instruction.
Like Dr. Ramdas, I too did traditional studies in the US before re-migrating to Guyana. It is the norm in a traditional university setting in the Caribbean to successfully complete between 30 and 40 in class courses that meet between two to six hours a week for 14 weeks to earn a BA degree. Some colleges in America require more. For the MA, a minimum 10 courses, in class, sit in, are required plus a long paper or a thesis and a comprehensive exam. For the doctorate, an additional 10 courses are mandatory plus comprehensive exams and a two-year dissertation. Dr. Ramdas educational qualification is rock solid. In addition, he taught Economics for some three decades. Joel Bhagwandin is not competent to assess Dr. Ramdas’s argument, characterising it as weak, that Exxon is not paying taxes. Bhagwandin did not follow the hard academic training of Dr. Ramdas for earned degrees.
Let us look at Joel Bhagwandin’s educational background. Bhagwandin is yet to reveal where he got his BA degree, a pre-requisite for admission for graduate studies at a traditional university. Is it that he does not have one? He said he did long distance MA at a university in UK. That university admits students based on work experience and life maturity. We don’t know course requirements and examination standards for the MA as in traditional universities. Bhagwandin says he enrolled for the PhD at another college that awards a doctorate based on one’s writings. The number of Guyanese who would qualify for such PhDs would not fit in a book. It is like giving away PhDs. Much credence is not given to those kinds of degrees.
Bhagwandin states that he also attended various other universities like Cambridge, Columbia, etc. He does not say in what capacity. Students of other universities attend other institutions, but they mean virtually nothing. I also attended Harvard, Columbia, Princeton, and Oxford. But I never cite them in my qualifications because they don’t lead to a degree certification from these prestigious institutions.

Yours truly,
Shawn Simmons

Django

J. C. Bhagwandin responds to Shawn Simmons

DEAR EDITOR,

I am writing in response to Mr. Simmons letter which was published in Kaieteur News on June 11, 2021.
Mr. Simmons failed once more to offer any credible counter arguments on the ISSUES which I challenged Dr. Ramdas and/or point out any weakness in my argument and continued to spew his personal vendetta, a behaviour which I established is typical by a certain political grouping.
However, I will say that the concerns he sought to raise about my credentials revealed that he is highly misinformed. I should point out as well that in my letter responding to Dr. Ramdas, I never attacked the person neither did I veered into his credentials: What I did was to critique his work – and I was careful to use language that is well in order in academia. It is normal for academics to critique the work of other academics in the academia sphere and point out whether the analyses are weak, or omit any important variable and/or context for example. The caveat of my argument was that Dr. Ramdas’ analysis did not take into consideration certain contexts and rather focused on a singular element. For example, the basis of his argument was that ExxonMobil is using Guyana’s public infrastructure for free. This is a completely flawed interpretation because Guyana is benefitting economically from ExxonMobil’s operation and through the fiscal terms of the PSA. Further, there are many other considerations when in negotiation of any deal or any contract. Up to this point, Dr. Ramdas has not responded to my challenge or counter argument on his views. Yet, Mr. Simmons chooses to attack personalities rather than be objective.
Having said that, I do not intend to engage in a personal battle with Mr. Simmons because I think my previous response to him was pellucid. I will, however, address Mr. Simmons and the media house that allowed him space to publish his personal vendetta which is misplaced within the appropriate forum.
To this end, I am currently seeking legal advice and at this point in time, I will urge the media house, Kaieteur News, to offer a public apology to the undersigned. Failure to so do, I will strongly consider legal action.

Yours faithfully,
J. C. Bhagwandin

Editor’s note: Mr. Bhagwandin, the publication of Mr. Simmons’ letter was neither on the basis of malice nor disrespect. The aim was merely to facilitate an exchange between intellectuals. If legal advice suggests otherwise, an unequivocal apology is hereby offered.

Django

Anyway, in general it is obvious that most Guyanese don't know the difference between lecturer and professor...they don't seem to know how one earns a PhD and the purpose of a PhD...

FM
@Former Member posted:

Why don't you ask President Ali?

Pushers and hustlers are all over...why don't you ask some of them in PNC and AFC? No party has a monopoly on dem street korner smart men. Dem balahoo brahmin and like

FM
@Former Member posted:

Anyway, in general it is obvious that most Guyanese don't know the difference between lecturer and professor...they don't seem to know how one earns a PhD and the purpose of a PhD...

How did Irfaan Ali "earn" a UWI Ph.D.?  What's the scoop?

T
@Totaram posted:

How did Irfaan Ali "earn" a UWI Ph.D.?  What's the scoop?

I don't know. There are rumors. Like UG and some british schools, UWI has a mature admittance policy. What happened after is prevalent in the rumor mills...What we do know about is the West Boast bachelors. The name of the man who paid to shoot that lady is prominent on the "certificate". The American system requires everyone to take a set of standardized tests for admittance. The problem is there might be late bloomers that can pull off the work in spite of the rabid corruption of youthful years...

FM
@Former Member posted:

I'm just drinking my coffee, reading the news, and enjoying you professors debating. 

Yeah...one prof talking about how he publish...and when I check de thing is an online scam journal .

FM
@Former Member posted:

Yeah...one prof talking about how he publish...and when I check de thing is an online scam journal .

Which professor is duh , bhai ? is it one of the heavy weights ?

Django
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@Former Member posted:

Yeah...one prof talking about how he publish...and when I check de thing is an online scam journal .

@Former Member posted:

I don't know. There are rumors. Like UG and some british schools, UWI has a mature admittance policy. What happened after is prevalent in the rumor mills...What we do know about is the West Boast bachelors. The name of the man who paid to shoot that lady is prominent on the "certificate". The American system requires everyone to take a set of standardized tests for admittance. The problem is there might be late bloomers that can pull off the work in spite of the rabid corruption of youthful years...

It is not about admission, it is about completion of the requirements.  Did Irfaan ever set foot on UWI premises (except for the graduation)?  How many classes he completed at UWI?  Did he do the comprehensive exam?  What was the topic of his dissertation?  Did he defend it?  Who was the chair of his thesis c'tee? Members? External examiner?

T
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@Totaram posted:

It is not about admission, it is about completion of the requirements.  Did Irfaan ever set foot on UWI premises (except for the graduation)?  How many classes he completed at UWI?  Did he do the comprehensive exam?  What was the topic of his dissertation?  Did he defend it?  Who was the chair of his thesis c'tee? Members? External examiner?

Many of the questions you asked are relevant to the American system in which there are fewer loopholes...

FM
@Former Member posted:

Many of the questions you asked are relevant to the American system in which there are fewer loopholes...

Certainly the loopholes at UWI aren't so large that Irfaan passed through them(no pun intended).  There was massive fraud in the matter.  A man named Jacob was likely heavily involved. 

T

These letters in the media sound like the typical "how much GCE yuh gat?" back in the day. Education is great, but consider that the guys who did us in for 55+ years and are doing us in now are some of the most educated folks Guyana ever produced.

Forbes was an Oxford man. Jagan went to QC and Howard/Northwestern in America. Ramphal went to Harvard and has oodles of letters after his name. Granger went to UWI and did other courses in America. Ratman is ahwe Russian trained "economist" . Trotman went to UWI, law school etc.

I don't count fat man because it is my opinion he printed his own, or most of them. He doesn't know one shit and is incompetent as an executive. He belongs in an apron serving soldiers.

With all these untold amount of credentials and universities and certificates, we have built a shithole country over 55 years. Worse. We took a paradise and with all those credentials, turned it into a shithole.

That is the record of these geniuses and their vaunted English, parliamentary protocols etc. It is a show. A shit show. In my wide experience I have met stupid people, but never like the Guyanese ones. The stupid folks are usually apologetic for their stupidity, we Guyanese are ARROGANTLY stupid. We are stupid and nasty about it.

Shithole not going anywhere. No matter how much TK analyzes the GDP. It's a shithole. Flour boy is a "turnaround expert", turns out he might have been a doorman in the US turning around and opening the door.

Fools all. Disgusted much? So am I.

FM

You mek yo eyes an pass Fat man nuh. Banna you better hope you doan need his help in lining you up with a printing company when you need some business cards, certificates, banners, diplomas, party invitations, greeting cards, diplomas....an so on.

cain
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@Former Member posted:

These letters in the media sound like the typical "how much GCE yuh gat?" back in the day. Education is great, but consider that the guys who did us in for 55+ years and are doing us in now are some of the most educated folks Guyana ever produced.

Forbes was an Oxford man. Jagan went to QC and Howard/Northwestern in America. Ramphal went to Harvard and has oodles of letters after his name. Granger went to UWI and did other courses in America. Ratman is ahwe Russian trained "economist" . Trotman went to UWI, law school etc.

I don't count fat man because it is my opinion he printed his own, or most of them. He doesn't know one shit and is incompetent as an executive. He belongs in an apron serving soldiers.

With all these untold amount of credentials and universities and certificates, we have built a shithole country over 55 years. Worse. We took a paradise and with all those credentials, turned it into a shithole.

That is the record of these geniuses and their vaunted English, parliamentary protocols etc. It is a show. A shit show. In my wide experience I have met stupid people, but never like the Guyanese ones. The stupid folks are usually apologetic for their stupidity, we Guyanese are ARROGANTLY stupid. We are stupid and nasty about it.

Shithole not going anywhere. No matter how much TK analyzes the GDP. It's a shithole. Flour boy is a "turnaround expert", turns out he might have been a doorman in the US turning around and opening the door.

Fools all. Disgusted much? So am I.

I feel the problem in Guyana and to some extent various Caribbean countries is the objective of getting an education. All my classmates wanted to study to be dacta or lawya. Why? They said outright this is what Cheddie and Burnham did and it is a sure path to status. My friends who didn't pursue one of these areas defaulted into accounting because that's where the wuk is (nothing wrong with dat!). So, fields that train problem solvers: public health, engineering, economics, chemistry, biology, epidemiology, etc, are after thought. The areas that are important for shaping the soul are seen as black people areas: the arts, music, humanities, philosophy, film making and others. No one wants to study astronomy for the sake of learning the mysteries of the universe. Of course, there are a few Indians who excel in these fields as well.

Our lawyers deliberately write laws to obfuscate in order to get another contract. Our lawyers help to increase the cost of doing business. They write constitutions and laws to worsen ethnic strife and conflict...not to solve them.

I never found a young Guyanese amongst my contemporaries who wanted to acquire an education for solving problems and knowing just for its own merit. It was always about going into politics. Achieving status over the other person. Becoming a smart man. My friends wanted to study law because that's how one becomes a talk man and do well in politics.

Then we now have the Bhagwandinian curse all over Guyana these days. They are skipping a sound academic foundation at UG and going straight into online master's from some shady Australian or UK for-profit "university". These master's are usually 18 months. Imagine just paying to get the masters without even getting CXC or UG. You can NEVER catch up and cover all the content knowledge of four years in 18 months in an online programme. The next stage is to get the online dactarate degree after the shady masta degree. Why? Because everyone wants a part of dacta politics. You don't need the content knowledge that comes from a serious doctorate. All one needs is a piece of papah that allows Doc X, Doc Y,...

But one cannot build a nation with hustlers and pushers alone. These folks are not intrinsically dunce. They just want the fastest path to status. There are of course Guyanese taking the long and narrow path. They are just fewer. Huckstering, pushing, sycophant-ing, cunning and conning, and being party member and follow de LIST and Leader can get one status fast. But don't expect them to solve the big problems...

FM

One more trick about the UK for-profit "universities" is they choose a name very close to one of the famous tradition schools. Oxford and Oxford Brooks, Edinburgh Napier University vs the world famous Uni of Edinburgh, etc . Just tek the broad and wide path...regular folks won't know

FM

@Former Member I agree with much of what you say. As I've said on many occasions here, we are hopelessly corrupt as a people, which gives rise to the desire for expediency to status that you point out. It's all about money to these people, not about serving the nation and their people.

Guyanese Indians have a peculiar way of viewing professions. If you're not a canecutter, "businessman" (even a crooked one), doctor, lawyer or engineer then you're "lazy black man". No room in their universe for teachers, civil servants, nurses, police or army personnel. That is all "black man wuk" to be spat upon at will.

Yet it was the same black midwives that traveled thru hell and high water to deliver their backsides into this world in some obscure rural area. It is the black teachers that taught and challenged them so they can make something of themselves.

Yet day after day I read the posts of these nasty, bigoted Indians who can't put 2 words together insulting Afro Guyanese and treating us as though we were some sub species when we were the ones teaching them while they were barefoot. SMFH.

FM

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