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skeldon_man posted:

Welcome back. See you visited two non democratic nations. Any observations from each one of them? Their similarities or differences?

As you mentioned non democratic so both are similar. For the Egyptians I think they are resigned to the fact that this is fate. They cannot assemble, period and they are suffering. The Saudis on the other hand are richer and are accustomed to live under the Monarchy.

Chief
Chief posted:
skeldon_man posted:

Welcome back. See you visited two non democratic nations. Any observations from each one of them? Their similarities or differences?

As you mentioned non democratic so both are similar. For the Egyptians I think they are resigned to the fact that this is fate. They cannot assemble, period and they are suffering. The Saudis on the other hand are richer and are accustomed to live under the Monarchy.

Muslims do not care for democracy in general. It is why democracy gets no support among muslim nations. It gets only lip support.

FM
Stormborn posted:
Chief posted:
skeldon_man posted:

Welcome back. See you visited two non democratic nations. Any observations from each one of them? Their similarities or differences?

As you mentioned non democratic so both are similar. For the Egyptians I think they are resigned to the fact that this is fate. They cannot assemble, period and they are suffering. The Saudis on the other hand are richer and are accustomed to live under the Monarchy.

Muslims do not care for democracy in general. It is why democracy gets no support among muslim nations. It gets only lip support.

I met 2 Saudis guys at a conference in the USA some time ago.  They were very friendly guys so we had "open discussions."  They vehemently supported the positions that women should always wear veils in public and they should not be allowed to drive.  I always thought that only the uneducated would support such positions, but it seems to be rooted in culture.

Welcome back Chief. I would like to visit Egypt someday when it is not as dangerous as today.

FM
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VVP posted:
Stormborn posted:
Chief posted:
skeldon_man posted:

Welcome back. See you visited two non democratic nations. Any observations from each one of them? Their similarities or differences?

As you mentioned non democratic so both are similar. For the Egyptians I think they are resigned to the fact that this is fate. They cannot assemble, period and they are suffering. The Saudis on the other hand are richer and are accustomed to live under the Monarchy.

Muslims do not care for democracy in general. It is why democracy gets no support among muslim nations. It gets only lip support.

I met 2 Saudis guys at a conference in the USA some time ago.  They were very friendly guys so we had "open discussions."  They vehemently supported the positions that women should always wear veils in public and they should not be allowed to drive.  I always thought that only the uneducated would support such positions, but it seems to be rooted in culture.

Welcome back Chief. I would like to visit Egypt someday when it is not as dangerous as today.

Thanks VVP. Egypt is not that dangerous however this is the best time to visit when the tourists are not flocking and the tour guides will do everything to make you comfortable.

The only people that has problem with the Saudis lifestyle are some Americans.

Chief
Chief posted:

D2 whilst I was in front of the most religious site my thoughts ran on you and GNI.

Hope it is with respect to all the bull crap rituals that means nothing and you come to the conclusion hitting your head in the dirt five times a day is not going to make you more pious or right. After all there is no compulsion to religion,

FM
Chief posted:
VVP posted:
Stormborn posted:
Chief posted:
skeldon_man posted:

Welcome back. See you visited two non democratic nations. Any observations from each one of them? Their similarities or differences?

As you mentioned non democratic so both are similar. For the Egyptians I think they are resigned to the fact that this is fate. They cannot assemble, period and they are suffering. The Saudis on the other hand are richer and are accustomed to live under the Monarchy.

Muslims do not care for democracy in general. It is why democracy gets no support among muslim nations. It gets only lip support.

I met 2 Saudis guys at a conference in the USA some time ago.  They were very friendly guys so we had "open discussions."  They vehemently supported the positions that women should always wear veils in public and they should not be allowed to drive.  I always thought that only the uneducated would support such positions, but it seems to be rooted in culture.

Welcome back Chief. I would like to visit Egypt someday when it is not as dangerous as today.

Thanks VVP. Egypt is not that dangerous however this is the best time to visit when the tourists are not flocking and the tour guides will do everything to make you comfortable.

The only people that has problem with the Saudis lifestyle are some Americans.

 They are such honorable and saintly Muslims even though they have women completely anonymized and close to a million workers  living in what are modern slave labor camps.
FM
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Stormborn posted:
Chief posted:

D2 whilst I was in front of the most religious site my thoughts ran on you and GNI.

Hope it is with respect to all the bull crap rituals that means nothing and you come to the conclusion hitting your head in the dirt five times a day is not going to make you more pious or right. After all there is no compulsion to religion,

Stormborn, why do you denigrate Muslims so much?  I have seen some of your comments about Muslims on this board and I am surprised that they come from someone with such intellect.  Not all Muslims are terrorists.  Plus even if you are an atheist you are not supposed to judge anybody's religion.

FM
VVP posted:
Stormborn posted:
Chief posted:

D2 whilst I was in front of the most religious site my thoughts ran on you and GNI.

Hope it is with respect to all the bull crap rituals that means nothing and you come to the conclusion hitting your head in the dirt five times a day is not going to make you more pious or right. After all there is no compulsion to religion,

Stormborn, why do you denigrate Muslims so much?  I have seen some of your comments about Muslims on this board and I am surprised that they come from someone with such intellect.  Not all Muslims are terrorists.  Plus even if you are an atheist you are not supposed to judge anybody's religion.

I am not denigrating them. He said there is no compulsion to religion I am just reminding him that consequently there is no compulsion to the ritual, especially one as silly as this.  

I never said all Muslims are terrorists. 

I am an atheist as he is a Muslim because we have both judged and concluded on a position. I am hoping of course his decision is rational.

 

FM
Stormborn posted:
Chief posted:

D2 whilst I was in front of the most religious site my thoughts ran on you and GNI.

Hope it is with respect to all the bull crap rituals that means nothing and you come to the conclusion hitting your head in the dirt five times a day is not going to make you more pious or right. After all there is no compulsion to religion,

I am happy that you remember that.

What made me think about you is when I once again witnessed the  thousands who are are performing the ritual of going around the holy Kaaba and they are all reciting the very same thing that God is the Greatest.  

Honestly you and the others who are saying that I slam need to be revamped came to my mind, what fools!

The good thing though is I remember the fools in the holiest of places and did offer a prayer for all of you.

Chief
Chief posted:
Stormborn posted:
Chief posted:

D2 whilst I was in front of the most religious site my thoughts ran on you and GNI.

Hope it is with respect to all the bull crap rituals that means nothing and you come to the conclusion hitting your head in the dirt five times a day is not going to make you more pious or right. After all there is no compulsion to religion,

I am happy that you remember that.

What made me think about you is when I once again witnessed the  thousands who are are performing the ritual of going around the holy Kaaba and they are all reciting the very same thing that God is the Greatest.  

Honestly you and the others who are saying that I slam need to be revamped came to my mind, what fools!

The good thing though is I remember the fools in the holiest of places and did offer a prayer for all of you.

Well that is why it will remain the incubator of diseased minds. If you cannot look introspectively and ask, why there are so many misinterpretations of the faith ( I am assuming it is) producing such bestial cult followings as Al Queda, Boko Haram, Al Shabab, ISIS and a whole alphabet soup of other groups claiming the faith you are just going to produce more bastard children of the religion. Lacking a reformation where one can, on some basis, know an act is disavowed by the faith, there will always be abhorent interpretations of it being preached as gospel. You and your buddies running around a building in your long tail "T's" is not going to change that. You just have thousands running around with few grounded to any thing of substance.

FM
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Chief posted:
VVP posted:

I met 2 Saudis guys at a conference in the USA some time ago.  They were very friendly guys so we had "open discussions."  They vehemently supported the positions that women should always wear veils in public and they should not be allowed to drive.  I always thought that only the uneducated would support such positions, but it seems to be rooted in culture.

Welcome back Chief. I would like to visit Egypt someday when it is not as dangerous as today.

..... Egypt is not that dangerous ...

The only people that has problem with the Saudis lifestyle are some Americans.

What's your "danger" benchmark, Iraq, Afgan, Chicago or PNC Guyana?  Then you might be correct!

Banna, your head stuck in those Wahab rear-end or the Sahara desert.  Saudi Wahab lifestyle in the scourge of the earth today.  I was even in Jordan and they despise Saudis, prefer they stay in their wahab kingdom!!

FM
Stormborn posted:
Chief posted:
Stormborn posted:
Chief posted:

D2 whilst I was in front of the most religious site my thoughts ran on you and GNI.

Hope it is with respect to all the bull crap rituals that means nothing and you come to the conclusion hitting your head in the dirt five times a day is not going to make you more pious or right. After all there is no compulsion to religion,

I am happy that you remember that.

What made me think about you is when I once again witnessed the  thousands who are are performing the ritual of going around the holy Kaaba and they are all reciting the very same thing that God is the Greatest.  

Honestly you and the others who are saying that I slam need to be revamped came to my mind, what fools!

The good thing though is I remember the fools in the holiest of places and did offer a prayer for all of you.

Well that is why it will remain the incubator of diseased minds. If you cannot look introspectively and ask, why there are so many misinterpretations of the faith ( I am assuming it is) producing such bestial cult followings as Al Queda, Boko Haram, Al Shabab, ISIS and a whole alphabet soup of other groups claiming the faith you are just going to produce more bastard children of the religion. Lacking a reformation where one can, on some basis, know an act is disavowed by the faith, there will always be abhorent interpretations of it being preached as gospel. You and your buddies running around a building in your long tail "T's" is not going to change that. You just have thousands running around with few grounded to any thing of substance.

The Alphabet soup was incubated in the West to undermine  the unity of 1.5 billion followers of the faith. After the fall of of communism , Islam became the target of the super powers.

Can you imagine if that 1.5 billion people unite and do not kill each other what a force that will be. Of course the world will not stand by idly and allow that.

When I stood there and look at the the thousands of worshipers , people of different color, ethnicity and social status, all doing the same thing praising  the one God, Bro you came to mind with your reform nonsense.

 

  

Chief

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