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Baseman posted:
ksazma posted:
Baseman posted:

Funny, my 85 year old aunt called me yesterday from Florida.  We chatted about lots, then I asked about elections.  

She was pissed saying Jagdeo insulted their intelligence.  She said why he thinks he can put any donkey and people will still vote PPP.  Seems Jagdeo overplayed!

Cribby is more in tuned with the non-diehard PPP supporters in Guyana.  They are now watching who granger takes as running mate.  They are more open Nagamootoo than Ramjattan. But they open to considering others.

Granger has his pulse on the swing voters.  

Bai, that is the difference between your aunt and other traditional PPP supporters. They will go out of their way to assess the quality of the PPP leadership. PNC supporters don’t lose sleep on stuff like that. They will vote PNC regardless of who or what is the leader.

Well, it also reflects an arrogance towards those who don’t just follow blindly.  

And you believe the PPP can afford to “throw away” that subset who wishes to think about such, even if it means they just stay home!

To get over the top, you don’t need to cater to the base, you need to cater to the swing!

Well, Ayuh try deh with Ayuh model!!

Bai, PPP supporters generally grew up in masjids and mandirs. From a very early age, they were trained to do what is right and shun what is wrong. While not all of them abide by those principles, the vast majority do. It is therefore not surprising that some would hold their leadership to high expectations. That said, those still need to judge the negatives of the PPP against those of the PNC and in doing so would clearly see how much more diabolical the PNC is. That swing should not even exist when comparing the two parties. If you are also thinking about attracting traditional PNC supporters, you are wasting your time because that has already been tried and failed. Last time, those PNC supporters ate up the food and drank up the likka but when election day came around, they still voted for the palm tree.

Ray posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:
Prince posted:

It's a good lesson for Indians who supported the coalition with Granger at the helm. People spoke honorable of Granger even though he ordered the killing of Indian and rigged elections under the order of Burnham. The same thing my elders on GNI knew about Granger is the same thing I know about him. But I never looked stupid and have regrets. I trace everything he did when he became head honcho of Guyana. Let me remind some of you that I care less for PNC, PPP or APNU. However, since politics goes both ways and Guyanese need a better leader, I would say let the best party win fair squarely. 

Unfortunately, Indians haven’t learned a thing.  The PNC that drove them out of Guyana is the same PNC that many of them fought to put back into power.  Indians are malicious people.  They cut their nose and spoil their face.  Some of them are even cussing the same Granger that they help to put in power.  Blacks are much more loyal people. Even if Granger give them dry coconut to eat they still want him as President.

A different conclusion can be drawn from this observation...

The whole observational process is screwed up. Bibi is in the tradition of our racist reality only speaking of the parties in terms of their ethnicity so wrongs and rights are parsed on which race it is about.

This is the stupid sort of crap that has us failing at all levels in the society because at any time whomever is in power they are only working with one half of the people. Imagine that, Guyana has never successfully managed any industry in its entire existence as a nation.

Take that and tell me which side of this ethnic equation can manage oil income.

Stormborn posted:
Ray posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:
Prince posted:

It's a good lesson for Indians who supported the coalition with Granger at the helm. People spoke honorable of Granger even though he ordered the killing of Indian and rigged elections under the order of Burnham. The same thing my elders on GNI knew about Granger is the same thing I know about him. But I never looked stupid and have regrets. I trace everything he did when he became head honcho of Guyana. Let me remind some of you that I care less for PNC, PPP or APNU. However, since politics goes both ways and Guyanese need a better leader, I would say let the best party win fair squarely. 

Unfortunately, Indians haven’t learned a thing.  The PNC that drove them out of Guyana is the same PNC that many of them fought to put back into power.  Indians are malicious people.  They cut their nose and spoil their face.  Some of them are even cussing the same Granger that they help to put in power.  Blacks are much more loyal people. Even if Granger give them dry coconut to eat they still want him as President.

A different conclusion can be drawn from this observation...

The whole observational process is screwed up. Bibi is in the tradition of our racist reality only speaking of the parties in terms of their ethnicity so wrongs and rights are parsed on which race it is about.

This is the stupid sort of crap that has us failing at all levels in the society because at any time whomever is in power they are only working with one half of the people. Imagine that, Guyana has never successfully managed any industry in its entire existence as a nation.

Take that and tell me which side of this ethnic equation can manage oil income.

Dem rass talking from 3,000 miles away with no stake in Guyana.  My family in Guyana are educated and own business and they are split.  As I said, they care most of the crime situation.  Beyond that, PPP PNC they are not oversold on either.  

Baseman posted:
Stormborn posted:
Ray posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:
Prince posted:

It's a good lesson for Indians who supported the coalition with Granger at the helm. People spoke honorable of Granger even though he ordered the killing of Indian and rigged elections under the order of Burnham. The same thing my elders on GNI knew about Granger is the same thing I know about him. But I never looked stupid and have regrets. I trace everything he did when he became head honcho of Guyana. Let me remind some of you that I care less for PNC, PPP or APNU. However, since politics goes both ways and Guyanese need a better leader, I would say let the best party win fair squarely. 

Unfortunately, Indians haven’t learned a thing.  The PNC that drove them out of Guyana is the same PNC that many of them fought to put back into power.  Indians are malicious people.  They cut their nose and spoil their face.  Some of them are even cussing the same Granger that they help to put in power.  Blacks are much more loyal people. Even if Granger give them dry coconut to eat they still want him as President.

A different conclusion can be drawn from this observation...

The whole observational process is screwed up. Bibi is in the tradition of our racist reality only speaking of the parties in terms of their ethnicity so wrongs and rights are parsed on which race it is about.

This is the stupid sort of crap that has us failing at all levels in the society because at any time whomever is in power they are only working with one half of the people. Imagine that, Guyana has never successfully managed any industry in its entire existence as a nation.

Take that and tell me which side of this ethnic equation can manage oil income.

Dem rass talking from 3,000 miles away with no stake in Guyana.  My family in Guyana are educated and own business and they are split.  As I said, they care most of the crime situation.  Beyond that, PPP PNC they are not oversold on either.  

Did you let em know you does back both parties depending on the weather?

cain posted:
Baseman posted:
Stormborn posted:
Ray posted:
Bibi Haniffa posted:

Unfortunately, Indians haven’t learned a thing.  The PNC that drove them out of Guyana is the same PNC that many of them fought to put back into power.  Indians are malicious people.  They cut their nose and spoil their face.  Some of them are even cussing the same Granger that they help to put in power.  Blacks are much more loyal people. Even if Granger give them dry coconut to eat they still want him as President.

A different conclusion can be drawn from this observation...

The whole observational process is screwed up. Bibi is in the tradition of our racist reality only speaking of the parties in terms of their ethnicity so wrongs and rights are parsed on which race it is about.

This is the stupid sort of crap that has us failing at all levels in the society because at any time whomever is in power they are only working with one half of the people. Imagine that, Guyana has never successfully managed any industry in its entire existence as a nation.

Take that and tell me which side of this ethnic equation can manage oil income.

Dem rass talking from 3,000 miles away with no stake in Guyana.  My family in Guyana are educated and own business and they are split.  As I said, they care most of the crime situation.  Beyond that, PPP PNC they are not oversold on either.  

Did you let em know you does back both parties depending on the weather?

So you join that band because a clap lash pon yuh racist anti-Indian rass.  

I agree or don’t agree based on the  issue. You, on the other hand, agree with the PNC as long as what they do is detrimental to the PPP and their constituency.

ANUG needs to ask Jagdeo why he ask Granger to submit candidates as part of the consultative process blessed by the CCJ

but of course such common-sense reflections have no place in the offerings of those all-in with the frenzied push to re-impose 'governance' by the uber-larcenous, murdering, narco-trafficating-friendly PPP on the Guyanese people through fraud!

reading the criminally-inclined-oligarchs mouthpiece Stabroek News' reporting on this matter, one gets the desired? impression that this was a 'Granger-imposed' conditionality for GECOM negotiations

but no worrires Klan bannas, i am not predicting a return to the Raja go-go days of Columbian white powder . . . no need

we have OIL now! . . . Obiang Nguema, Guyana style, here we come

smfh

The CCJ only suggested that the two sides get together and discuss the candidate because they noted that in 2017, Granger never detailed why he objected to each of the 18 candidates nominated by the Opposition Leader. It was not a directive by the CCJ as was the directive that elections has to be held within 90 days from June 18, 2019 and should have really been held no later than March 22, 2019 had there not been a pause due to ongoing court proceedings.

Jagdeo did not ask Granger to provide any names. Harmon said that Granger wants to provide names from which he can pick from. From the beginning, the opposition insisted that the 6 names that eventually reaches Granger's desk will be the sole responsibility and right of the Opposition Leader. Looks like that 10 days or so long intense indoctrination at Congress Place has really fortified you to spread their propaganda. Unfortunately, because the PNC is grossly incompetent, so are your arguments.

ksazma posted:

The CCJ only suggested that the two sides get together and discuss the candidate because they noted that in 2017, Granger never detailed why he objected to each of the 18 candidates nominated by the Opposition Leader. It was not a directive by the CCJ as was the directive that elections has to be held within 90 days from June 18, 2019 and should have really been held no later than March 22, 2019 had there not been a pause due to ongoing court proceedings.

Jagdeo did not ask Granger to provide any names. Harmon said that Granger wants to provide names from which he can pick from. From the beginning, the opposition insisted that the 6 names that eventually reaches Granger's desk will be the sole responsibility and right of the Opposition Leader. Looks like that 10 days or so long intense indoctrination at Congress Place has really fortified you to spread their propaganda. Unfortunately, because the PNC is grossly incompetent, so are your arguments.

https://www.stabroeknews.com/2...-for-gecom-chairman/

"Although maintaining that the submission of the nominees for the chairmanship of the Guyana Elections Commission (GECOM) remains solely his remit, Opposition Leader Bharrat Jagdeo yesterday signalled that he was open to President David Granger “suggesting” names for his consideration during their impending talks on the subject.

Jagdeo’s position, described as a measure intended “to find consensus,” was communicated in a response by People’s Progressive Party member Gail Teixeira to a letter from Director General of the Ministry of the Presidency Joseph Harmon, who sought to determine whether it was agreed that both parties would be identifying nominees."

Although I am intent to act like you don't exist, I will make an exception here to demonstrate your wickedness. You picked an article but cut it off where you thought you can harvest your deception.  Everything in Jagdeo's response to Granger's stupid demand to also nominate the sale people that he will pick from was to accommodate Granger quest for relevancy and not Jagdeo inviting Granger to also suggest names. But wicked people will remain wicked people. Just like yuh PNC. Now gwan suh.

Although maintaining that the submission of the nominees for the chairmanship of the Guyana Elections Commission (GECOM) remains solely his remit, Opposition Leader Bharrat Jagdeo yesterday signalled that he was open to President David Granger “suggesting” names for his consideration during their impending talks on the subject.

Jagdeo’s position, described as a measure intended “to find consensus,” was communicated in a response by People’s Progressive Party member Gail Teixeira to a letter from Director General of the Ministry of the Presidency Joseph Harmon, who sought to determine whether it was agreed that both parties would be identifying nominees.

 

Harmon, by way of a letter on behalf of Granger, dated June 28th, 2019, said it was the government’s interpretation that the Caribbean Court of Justice (CCJ) intended that “both the President and Leader of the Opposition will provide nominees on the list of six persons” from which a Chairman is to be selected.

According to his letter, this conclusion can be drawn from Paragraph 26 of the court’s ruling, which states, among other things, “The Court decided that the most sensible approach to operationalise the Article was for the Leader of the Opposition and the President to communicate with each other in good faith and to perhaps even meet to discuss eligible candidates for the position of Chairman before a list is formally submitted. The aim of these discussions must be to agree [on] the names of six persons who fit the stated eligibility requirements and who are not unacceptable to the President.”

Jagdeo disagreed with government’s interpretation and the letter penned by Teixeira noted that while he is not “averse to the President informally suggesting names…for consideration,” the list of six names must emanate from the Leader of the Opposition.

Teixeira’s letter, also dated June 28, stresses that the court’s judgment has interpreted Article 161 (2) of the constitution and, therefore, the judgment of the court must be construed as giving obeisance to the Article, rather than derogating from it. “The court simply proffered guidance on how this list of names is to be ‘hammered out,’” Teixeira wrote.

Article 161(2) of the Constitution clearly states that the Chair is to be “appointed from a list of six persons, who are not unacceptable to the President, submitted by the Leader of the Opposition after he has meaningfully consulted with the non-governmental political parties represented in the National Assembly.”

Teixeira stressed that Jagdeo has “examined with consummate care” the paragraph referenced and cannot agree with government’s position as “such an interpretation not only tramples upon the functional responsibility of the Leader of the Opposition, but also, may usurp it altogether.”

The court, she argued, was simply offering guidance on how the engagement between the Leader of the Opposition and the President must manifest itself at which engagement names can be discussed informally, with a view to determining their acceptability to the President within the framework of Article 161 (2).

The letter reminded the President that the CCJ judgment states that “in our view, employment of the double negative ‘not unacceptable’ signals that an onus is placed on the President not to find a nominee unacceptable merely because the nominee is not a choice the President would have himself made.”

“Notwithstanding and in an effort to find consensus, the Leader of the Opposition is not averse to the President informally suggesting names in their proposed engagement for his consideration,” she added.

Teixeira also expressed hope that the correspondence had provided the clarification Harmon requested in his letter.

The CCJ on June 18th ruled that the unilateral appointment of retired judge James Patterson as GECOM Chairman was unconstitutional and has since indicated that the two parties should meet to discuss a way forward.

Despite several correspondence between the two sides, no meeting has been arranged.

Harmon’s letter indicated that he was seeking Jagdeo’s view on government’s interpretation of the ruling before a date for his meeting with the president is finalised.

Government sent an invitation on June 21st to Jagdeo, seeking a meeting with him after the expected handing down of the consequential orders by the CCJ on June 24th.

While Jagdeo acknowledged receipt of the letter, he did not respond before the hearing.

ksazma posted:

You picked an article but cut it off where you thought you can harvest your deception.  Everything in Jagdeo's response to Granger's stupid demand to also nominate the sale people that he will pick from was to accommodate Granger quest for relevancy and not Jagdeo inviting Granger to also suggest names.

not sure what your issue is

i posted a link to the reporting in Stabroek News

the mandate of the CCJ was built on "good faith" and "consensus" . . . these subjective, ill-defined somethings were naturally left up to the parties

the PNC 'interpretive' proffer to formalize a role for Granger in the nominating process is silly

and the PPP's counter with agreement on an informal nominating role by the President to facilitate consensus on the six that the Opposition would present for choosing was simply a pose

this is all ass backwards

the impasse was all too predictable

idiot, whaderass are you tilting at?

ksazma posted:

I don’t see much value in black people.

ronan posted:

i know
shhhhhh . . . everbady know

ksazma posted:

Good. Don’t care for any confusion especially with fools thinking that I would ever care to be like them.

not following . . .

why on earth would anyone be "confused" after you pull down yuh panty, exposed your disease, and announced to everyone that "Blacks are the scourge of the world"

???

not following at all

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ronan posted:
ksazma posted:

I don’t see much value in black people.

ronan posted:

i know
shhhhhh . . . everbady know

ksazma posted:

Good. Don’t care for any confusion

not following . . .

why on earth would anyone be "confused" after you pull down yuh panty, exposed your disease, and announced to everyone that "Blacks are the scourge of the world"

???

not following at all

ksazma posted:

Did you forget that I don’t see value in black people?

shhhhhh Skeldon_man mini me

it's disorienting having low-IQ dunce people making my points for me

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