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Originally posted by Abu Jihad:
If he committed a crime, he should have been chaged and tried as an individual. However, no such charges were laid.

As for the hate preacing, thats a different story, this is a matter of civil liberties. The president should not have the right to assassinate an American, and I find that you of all people supporting such an action ironc, based on your previous posts.

I personally think the man was killed for his oratory skills and was of no signficant military threat.

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Originally posted by Sunil:
The only reason Al-Awlaki was taken out now is that he was perceived as a threat to Pres. Saleh. Saleh gave the US the go ahead last week, probably bowing to Saudi pressure. The Saudis are propping up his regime as they so not want Shia control in Yemen.

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Originally posted by ksazma:

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Originally posted by Abu Jihad:
If he committed a crime, he should have been chaged and tried as an individual. However, no such charges were laid.

As for the hate preacing, thats a different story, this is a matter of civil liberties. The president should not have the right to assassinate an American, and I find that you of all people supporting such an action ironc, based on your previous posts.

I personally think the man was killed for his oratory skills and was of no signficant military threat.

Oh, I don't support that someone should be killed because they preach hate no matter how stupid it is. Awlaki was suspected of terrorism connection. That is what put him on the wanted list not his oratory skills and in that case, I don't have a problem with the government's actions. Now was it the best approach? Maybe not but it was probably the best availanle one.

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Originally posted by Abu Jihad:
Again, suspected of and no proof does not satisfy the rule of law.

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Originally posted by ksazma:

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Originally posted by Abu Jihad:
Again, suspected of and no proof does not satisfy the rule of law.

But being a fugitive of the law allows for other approaches.

Abu bhai, these guys aren't looking out for you and I when they choose that route for their protest. That is not the way of our dear Prophet.

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Originally posted by cain:
Abu/Kaz, I understand where you guys are coming from but the US did exactly what terrorists would do and this should give these terrorists food for thought.

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Originally posted by SuperMike:
This is murder and it will not go unpaid...all the millions of innocent men women and children who were slaughtered at the hands of the usa will not go unpaid, the cry of millions and those under occupation will not go unheard...i hope i am around to see when the table turns.

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Originally posted by Henry:

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Originally posted by cain:
Abu/Kaz, I understand where you guys are coming from but the US did exactly what terrorists would do and this should give these terrorists food for thought.

Wow, that ought to give everyone food for thought.

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Originally posted by Abu Jihad:

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Originally posted by Henry:

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Originally posted by cain:
Abu/Kaz, I understand where you guys are coming from but the US did exactly what terrorists would do and this should give these terrorists food for thought.

Wow, that ought to give everyone food for thought.

The world is now governed by a bunch of terrorists

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Originally posted by SuperMike:
This is murder and it will not go unpaid...all the millions of innocent men women and children who were slaughtered at the hands of the usa will not go unpaid, the cry of millions and those under occupation will not go unheard...i hope i am around to see when the table turns.

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Originally posted by baseman:

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Originally posted by Abu Jihad:

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Originally posted by Henry:

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Originally posted by cain:
Abu/Kaz, I understand where you guys are coming from but the US did exactly what terrorists would do and this should give these terrorists food for thought.

Wow, that ought to give everyone food for thought.

The world is now governed by a bunch of terrorists

Abu, I would not be so negative. I do think though the world's agenda has been hijacked by terrorists since 9/11 resulting in major dislocation of resources, dilution of everyone's rights, major disruption and inconvenience and not to mention added costs across the entire spectrum. For thios reason, we need to eliminate them and at the same time address the conditions which allow them to trive.

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Originally posted by Henry:

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Originally posted by baseman:

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Originally posted by Abu Jihad:

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Originally posted by Henry:

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Originally posted by cain:
Abu/Kaz, I understand where you guys are coming from but the US did exactly what terrorists would do and this should give these terrorists food for thought.

Wow, that ought to give everyone food for thought.

The world is now governed by a bunch of terrorists

Abu, I would not be so negative. I do think though the world's agenda has been hijacked by terrorists since 9/11 resulting in major dislocation of resources, dilution of everyone's rights, major disruption and inconvenience and not to mention added costs across the entire spectrum. For thios reason, we need to eliminate them and at the same time address the conditions which allow them to trive.

Any proposals as to what we should do about BAE Systems, and the government of Saudi Arabia? They still trivin'.

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Originally posted by Abu Jihad:
I am talking about an extra judicial murder which can happen to any one of us that the government don't like.

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Originally posted by ksazma:
If we stay out of trouble we have a very good chance of not being bothered by the government. I understand that it is not foolproof but it is the right thing to do. Awlaki chose the other option and paid the price for it.

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Originally posted by Henry:

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Originally posted by ksazma:
If we stay out of trouble we have a very good chance of not being bothered by the government. I understand that it is not foolproof but it is the right thing to do. Awlaki chose the other option and paid the price for it.

Let's take another example. Do you think that Walter Rodney "made the wrong choice" and therefore wound up dead? Maybe society would be more secure if we eliminate freedom of speech altogether, but there is a downside.

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Originally posted by ksazma:

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Originally posted by Abu Jihad:
I am talking about an extra judicial murder which can happen to any one of us that the government don't like.

It is mostly private people who act out based on their likes and dislikes. The government is much fairer in their actions. Take for instance that someone approaches you and tries to entrap you into something illegal. Waht you should do is tell that person to guh dahside. You tell them that you are not interested in their nonsense. Many people get trapped because they are weak in their judgement and may allow their emotions to take over. parents of the young has to play a role in educating their kids that violence is not the answer. I am not saying that they are wutliss. They may just be complacent but that complacency can cost their kids their freedom and even life. Our kids are encourage to not have secrets and that makes us feel comfortable that they will not fall prey to people wutlissness. Liek if the Preiest tells the young boy that this is their secret and not to tell anyone. Or a predator telling little kids that this is their secret. If we stay out of trouble we have a very good chance of not being bothered by the government. I understand that it is not foolproof but it is the right thing to do. Awlaki chose the other option and paid the price for it. The question is how many paid a price for his choice?

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Originally posted by Henry:

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Originally posted by ksazma:
If we stay out of trouble we have a very good chance of not being bothered by the government. I understand that it is not foolproof but it is the right thing to do. Awlaki chose the other option and paid the price for it.

Let's take another example. Do you think that Walter Rodney "made the wrong choice" and therefore wound up dead? Maybe society would be more secure if we eliminate freedom of speech altogether, but there is a downside.

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False. The court said that the case involved state secrets and that it was therefore beyond the reach of the courts. The more I see what you post, D2, the more I am convinced that you are an ardent fascist.