Afro-Guyanese deserve 15,000 square miles of territory as partial compensation for enslavement; law being drafted for African land rights

caribny posted:
antabanta posted:
The fact remains that you are one of the biggest contributors to racism on this site .

Talking about racism isn't racist.  You have yet to show what I did was racist. 

Now I gave many examples of racism by Indians which not only was on GNI but was something that blacks under the PPP had to confront on a daily basis.

Your reality is that you just don't want people to discuss racism if it comes from Indians as you think such discussion is racist.  When its about how Indians suffered under the PNC/blacks that part doesn't disturb you.

You did more than enough to show your racism. There is no need for me to show anything. After I beat you up for your racist crap multiple times over the years you changed strategy to try to ingratiate yourself as an objective thinker. You are the one who came on GNI screaming about a mob of vengeful coolies targeting blacks. You are the one who regurgitated hourly all manner of anti-indian sentiment from the Internet. Wake up. You're not that smart enough to fool everyone. 

antabanta posted:
 

You did more than enough to show your racism. There is no need for me to show anything.

I have no need to ingratiate myself with anyone here.  No my role is to show FACTs about what race in Guyana is all about. 

Its not "bad black man, good Indian so black man must apologize".  This being the mother's milk that Janet Jagan fed Indians since they lost power in 1964.  This in order to paint a picture of the poor innocent Indian harassed by savage blacks.  I was around in the 60s and I can assure you that BOTH groups had mobs attacking each other, even if this truth isn't what Indians want to hear.

So yes in the early 60s there were mobs of Indians attacking blacks, just as mobs of blacks attacked Indians.  If to say this that is evidence of racism something is wrong with YOU.

 And yes when the PPP came to power it was vengeful Indians harassing blacks.  In fact letters with the names of non political blacks who were squeezed out of jobs was even printed. This behavior even spread into the private sector with people being refused jobs or promotions merely because they were black.

The PPP mobilized the political and economic power of the Indian elite to harass blacks!  To say this isn't racist.  That is a fact and so much so that when the results were announced thousands of blacks ran out in the street wailing "Finally the slow Holocaust is over and I can finally be free to be a Guyanese".

caribny posted:
Drugb posted:
. If I move to the same neighborhood, value would go up. 

Really!   Your screams of delight every time you sat on a big black baigan would drive all your neighbors away.

Do you deny that you bring neighborhood value down and I  bring them up? Look at the demographic data, you will see that black neighborhoods have lower property value. Druggie did not invent this, it was there all along and you are part and parcel to the problem, not the solution. 

Drugb posted:
caribny posted:
Drugb posted:
. If I move to the same neighborhood, value would go up. 

Really!   Your screams of delight every time you sat on a big black baigan would drive all your neighbors away.

Do you deny that you bring neighborhood value down and I  bring them up? Look at the demographic data, you will see that black neighborhoods have lower property value. Druggie did not invent this, it was there all along and you are part and parcel to the problem, not the solution. 

Druggie that's a lot of slop. Your hood is the dumps. Your basement apartment is moldy and it's affecting your cranium.

yuji22 posted:

Afro-Guyanese deserve 15,000 square miles of territory as partial compensation for enslavement; law being drafted for African land rights

 OK, so let the Indo Guyanese get another 30,000 square miles on top of what they already own, the Amerindians another 30,000 sqaure miles and we cool.  Blasted racist idiots this Eric Phillips fella and his REAR ADMIRAL Gary Best - if you know what I mean.
Mitwah posted:
Druggie that's a lot of slop. Your hood is the dumps. Your basement apartment is moldy and it's affecting your cranium.

You know I am telling the truth, even you run away from neighbors like cribby due to fear of losing property value.  Most of yall will speak out in support of cribby and his clan as they serve to keep your buddies in afc in power. When they drop the hammer on afc we will see if the love affair with pnc will continue

Drugb posted:
Mitwah posted:
Druggie that's a lot of slop. Your hood is the dumps. Your basement apartment is moldy and it's affecting your cranium.

You know I am telling the truth, even you run away from neighbors like cribby due to fear of losing property value.  Most of yall will speak out in support of cribby and his clan as they serve to keep your buddies in afc in power. When they drop the hammer on afc we will see if the love affair with pnc will continue

What truth? You know shit. You are pelting it and hope that it sticks. You lack the knowledge of your own ignorance.

Drugb posted:
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Do you deny that you bring neighborhood value down and I  bring them up? Look at the demographic data, you will see that black neighborhoods have lower property value. Druggie did not invent this, it was there all along and you are part and parcel to the problem, not the solution. 

Go relax yourself and sit on a big black baigan.

Indo Caribbean people in the USA are seen as blacks with straight hair. They see your mannerism and hear your accent. The reason why Indos  move to Jamaica and not to Howard Beach is that the Italians used to beat them up when they did so. 

In fact when Indos moved into RH the whites fled.  I first found out that you all were moving in when a white person who I used to work with complained about you all with your 3 days weddings with screechy music and public urination by the guests.  He left for Long Island.  This when I told him that was a Guyanese. He specified that it was the Guyanese "with straight hair, not like me".

I suggest that you stop feeling superior to blacks and learn that in North America they consider all of us black.  They do NOT connect you to India.  In fact many query as to why these "Indian looking people speak like Jamaicans and act like blacks".

 

Mitwah posted

Druggie that's a lot of slop. Your hood is the dumps. Your basement apartment is moldy and it's affecting your cranium.

the town that he lives in is proud of its history of integration. Druggie lives around many blacks and the simple fellow doesn't understand that he is accepted only because the blacks are as well.

Drugb posted: ou know I am telling the truth, even you run away from neighbors like cribby due to fear of losing property value.  Most of yall will speak out in support of cribby and his clan as they serve to keep your buddies in afc in power. When they drop the hammer on afc we will see if the love affair with pnc will continue

And yet so many Guyanese Indians are moving into black neighborhoods in Queens and in The Bronx.

Druggie do you know that some Indo Guyanese kids have claimed to be "black" and received affirmative action into college.  They have even received scholarships from black community groups!   Druggie the "urban culture" of NYC consists of black Americans, Caribbean blacks, Caribbean Hispanics and Caribbean Indians.

KishanB posted:
KishanB posted:
yuji22 posted:

Indo-Guyanese deserve 30,000 square miles of territory as partial compensation for indentureship; law should be drafted for Indian land rights

 

 

Your rant only strengthens Eric's demands.  He will tell you the following.

1. Indentures were paid for their labor.  They were also WILLING parties to their labor contracts unlike slaves who were grabbed and then sold and  who were treated as the farm animals were.

2. Some received lands as part of their contract, and even those who bought land didn't face the hostility of the planters to the extent that the former slaves did.

3.  The slave owners received millions of pounds to compensate them for the loss of slaves. The slaves got NOTHING to compensate them for the total destruction of their lives.  These people were treated WORSE than farm horses and had no legal standing in front of the courts.  Do you know that plantations used to list slaves as part of their assets, alongside their animals, machinery and buildings?

Attempts to equate indenture with slavery will just motivate Eric in his claims as he will gladly tell you about how the two institutions were radically different.

Django posted:

That fella listed himself as  Caucasian on an employment advertising,attached is his dark complexion picture.Probably he hates his skin,pondering how can an East Indian have the color of an African.

Its clear that the man hates himself. Only people with low self esteem need to obsess about their superiority over other ethnicities.

caribny posted:
antabanta posted:
 

You did more than enough to show your racism. There is no need for me to show anything.

I have no need to ingratiate myself with anyone here.  No my role is to show FACTs about what race in Guyana is all about. 

Its not "bad black man, good Indian so black man must apologize".  This being the mother's milk that Janet Jagan fed Indians since they lost power in 1964.  This in order to paint a picture of the poor innocent Indian harassed by savage blacks.  I was around in the 60s and I can assure you that BOTH groups had mobs attacking each other, even if this truth isn't what Indians want to hear.

So yes in the early 60s there were mobs of Indians attacking blacks, just as mobs of blacks attacked Indians.  If to say this that is evidence of racism something is wrong with YOU.

 And yes when the PPP came to power it was vengeful Indians harassing blacks.  In fact letters with the names of non political blacks who were squeezed out of jobs was even printed. This behavior even spread into the private sector with people being refused jobs or promotions merely because they were black.

The PPP mobilized the political and economic power of the Indian elite to harass blacks!  To say this isn't racist.  That is a fact and so much so that when the results were announced thousands of blacks ran out in the street wailing "Finally the slow Holocaust is over and I can finally be free to be a Guyanese".

So this mob of coolies attacking blacks after 1992 were doing so with letters with names on them? Were they street by street, checking names? So each member in this "mob" in your imagination had a letter or were they sharing? Such a pity your BS has not changed one bit over the years. You do know you should improve with time... right?

caribny posted:

And you beat me into nothing.  In fact for a while you even disappeared.  I remember that I used to drive you into irrationality to the point where you babbled lots of incoherent nonsense along the lines of how Nehru and druggie behave.

It is my pleasure to enlighten that the only senses dulled by time are yours. Many will remember well the beatings you received. Especially that time you came on GNI ranting and raving about mobs of Indians going after blacks. Sorry, mobs of angry and vengeful Indians.

You don't even realize the absurdity of your accusation when the obvious quantity of your BS posts compared to my smaller posts of excellent quality is so glaring.

caribny posted:

And don't bring up the "African tribal chiefs" because by 1833 most of the enslaved people were born in Guyana or other parts of the Caribbean so had nothing to do with the African slave trade.

Slaves had no birthright in the British Emipre, they were chattel. The Indian indentured were subjects of the British Empire-even though forced upon them but still alot better than the Muslim rule.

The Indian government/civil service gave permission to the indentureship program. And Gladstone had to apply for that permission. Indians were not grabbed and sold by indians.

I always suspected the great opposition to bringing indians to BG. And those Blacks/Coloreds must have raised quite a lot of objections. The colony being a crown colony, subjects of the British Empire were entitled to be anywhere the Bitish owned.

Yes, indians were not slaves, they were paid. And their pitance nutured a great community of East Indians.

And I wish Indians would own the sacrifice of their forefathers and not try to follow the Blacks in comparing the 1838 indians as being a somewhat kind of a slave.

caribny posted:
Baseman posted:
 Guyana’s 83k landmass is meaningless if there is no economic and social policies to ensure people can access it. 

There was a program on Discovery channel called Gold Rush.  What is evident is that in vast swathes of Guyana finding food is a huge challenge.  The climate is severe and the earth isn't fertile. Infrastructure is nonexistent.

The fact remains that most of Guyana has value only to extract resources and maybe as eco/adventure sites.  The coast, the intermediate savannahs and maybe parts of the Rupununi are the only areas where viable agriculture can be pursued.

So we need to stop this nonsense about vast acreages.  Even gold extraction is reaching the point where only the larger miners can earn a decent living.  The smaller ones left to eke out an existence.

Guyana is the 16th largest rice producing country in the world with land that is not very fertile. That is an accomplishment.

Mitwah posted:
Drugb posted:
Mitwah posted:
Druggie that's a lot of slop. Your hood is the dumps. Your basement apartment is moldy and it's affecting your cranium.

You know I am telling the truth, even you run away from neighbors like cribby due to fear of losing property value.  Most of yall will speak out in support of cribby and his clan as they serve to keep your buddies in afc in power. When they drop the hammer on afc we will see if the love affair with pnc will continue

What truth? You know shit. You are pelting it and hope that it sticks. You lack the knowledge of your own ignorance.

Is that why you live in a white neighborhood? As an accountant you crunched the numbers and made the right decision, whatever you say here is just lip service, different from the reality that you live by. 

caribny posted:

Go relax yourself and sit on a big black baigan.

Indo Caribbean people in the USA are seen as blacks with straight hair. They see your mannerism and hear your accent. The reason why Indos  move to Jamaica and not to Howard Beach is that the Italians used to beat them up when they did so. 

In fact when Indos moved into RH the whites fled.  I first found out that you all were moving in when a white person who I used to work with complained about you all with your 3 days weddings with screechy music and public urination by the guests.  He left for Long Island.  This when I told him that was a Guyanese. He specified that it was the Guyanese "with straight hair, not like me".

I suggest that you stop feeling superior to blacks and learn that in North America they consider all of us black.  They do NOT connect you to India.  In fact many query as to why these "Indian looking people speak like Jamaicans and act like blacks".

 

Here we go again, cribby ranting and raving but avoiding the crux of the matter that you bring down property value where ever you move. The reality is that whites and other ethnic groups flee from areas that have too many people like you. 

Prashad posted:
caribny posted:
Baseman posted:
 Guyana’s 83k landmass is meaningless if there is no economic and social policies to ensure people can access it. 

There was a program on Discovery channel called Gold Rush.  What is evident is that in vast swathes of Guyana finding food is a huge challenge.  The climate is severe and the earth isn't fertile. Infrastructure is nonexistent.

The fact remains that most of Guyana has value only to extract resources and maybe as eco/adventure sites.  The coast, the intermediate savannahs and maybe parts of the Rupununi are the only areas where viable agriculture can be pursued.

So we need to stop this nonsense about vast acreages.  Even gold extraction is reaching the point where only the larger miners can earn a decent living.  The smaller ones left to eke out an existence.

Guyana is the 16th largest rice producing country in the world with land that is not very fertile. That is an accomplishment.

Why you say land is not fertile?  Guyana is fertile, but to maximize yields you do need to apply modern techniques. 

caribny posted:

And yet so many Guyanese Indians are moving into black neighborhoods in Queens and in The Bronx.

Druggie do you know that some Indo Guyanese kids have claimed to be "black" and received affirmative action into college.  They have even received scholarships from black community groups!   Druggie the "urban culture" of NYC consists of black Americans, Caribbean blacks, Caribbean Hispanics and Caribbean Indians.

Blacks are being pushed out of cities close to NYC and eventually these locations become prime real estate for other immigrant groups.  Do a study on Harlem and see that it has changed hands many times, also slowly Blacks are being bought out from those brownstones. T

antabanta posted:
caribny posted:
antabanta posted:
 

 

So this mob of coolies attacking blacks after 1992 

I see that you are still a lunatic with mental problem caused when you don't take your medications.  My comments about Indian violence towards blacks was about what occurred in the 60s.

My comments about Indian racism towards blacks after 1992 was about victimization by the PPP and the Indo dominated private sector.  You will look like a clown if you deny Indian political and economic victimization of blacks during the PPP era.

https://guyaneseonline.net/tag...chronicle-editorial/

This is commentary by Imran Khan who I don't think is black.  His comments about post 1992 racism against blacks is exactly what I describe.

Drugb posted

Blacks are being pushed out of cities close to NYC and eventually these locations become prime real estate for other immigrant groups.  Do a study on Harlem and see that it has changed hands many times, also slowly Blacks are being bought out from those brownstones. T

In fact the same forces that impact blacks also impact Indians. Why did so many of them flee to a cesspool that is considered to be one of the poorest cities in NYS? 2 decades after they moved there that city is still poor.

And it will shock you to know that there are blacks moving TO Harlem BUYING brownstones.

https://www.theguardian.com/us...m-not-a-good-feeling

Its really sad that all you can do is to convince yourself that even though you are unworthy at least you are better than blacks.  Every time a successful Afro Guyanese is portrayed you drive yourself into a frenzy of rage.   Not a good  state for you to be in at all.

caribny posted:
antabanta posted:
caribny posted:
antabanta posted:
 

 

So this mob of coolies attacking blacks after 1992 

I see that you are still a lunatic with mental problem caused when you don't take your medications.  My comments about Indian violence towards blacks was about what occurred in the 60s.

My comments about Indian racism towards blacks after 1992 was about victimization by the PPP and the Indo dominated private sector.  You will look like a clown if you deny Indian political and economic victimization of blacks during the PPP era.

https://guyaneseonline.net/tag...chronicle-editorial/

This is commentary by Imran Khan who I don't think is black.  His comments about post 1992 racism against blacks is exactly what I describe.

You probably were not born yet. It's the other way around...1962 and 1964. Blacks were killing coolies at every street corner. You probably heard tales from your parents who wanted to make blacks victims.

caribny posted:
antabanta posted:

So this mob of coolies attacking blacks after 1992 

I see that you are still a lunatic with mental problem caused when you don't take your medications.  My comments about Indian violence towards blacks was about what occurred in the 60s.

My comments about Indian racism towards blacks after 1992 was about victimization by the PPP and the Indo dominated private sector.  You will look like a clown if you deny Indian political and economic victimization of blacks during the PPP era.

https://guyaneseonline.net/tag...chronicle-editorial/

This is commentary by Imran Khan who I don't think is black.  His comments about post 1992 racism against blacks is exactly what I describe.

There is no opportunity for me to look like a clown because my discussion with you is not about Indian victimization of any kind or of any victimization of anyone by anyone else. My mental problem, or lack of any, has no bearing on our discussion. I must commend your feeble attempt to change the narrative and observe that the strategy seems to be straight out of the PNC's playbook. However, nothing you say can mitigate the blatant racism you have displayed on this forum. Nothing you say will change the record of you on this forum ranting and raving about an angry and vengeful mob of coolies going after blacks. Nothing, absolutely nothing, will remove the stain of your confession that your mother taught you to hate the coolie, a confession that I take credit for. You, by your words alone on this forum, are a racist of the highest pedigree.

skeldon_man posted

You probably were not born yet. It's the other way around...1962 and 1964. Blacks were killing coolies at every street corner. You probably heard tales from your parents who wanted to make blacks victims.

I was a little boy who was certainly familiar with "Hit the road Jack" and "Solidarity for ever". 

So blacks attacked Indians and Indians attacked blacks. Both were fearful of each other. Both fled from areas where they were the minority.

You know full well that your fellow PYO thugs used to sharpen their cutlasses and rub down their bodies with oil and went out to set fire to homes occupied by blacks and then cut them down as they tried to flee.  In fact West Coast Dem was infamous for this behavior. They even stopped a train and attacked the black passengers on board.

antabanta posted

There is no opportunity for me to look like a clown because my discussion with you is not about Indian victimization of any kind or of any victimization of anyone by anyone else. My mental problem, or lack of any, has no bearing on our discussion. I must commend your feeble attempt to change the narrative and observe that the strategy seems to be straight out of the PNC's playbook. However, nothing you say can mitigate the blatant racism you have displayed on this forum. Nothing you say will change the record of you on this forum ranting and raving about an angry and vengeful mob of coolies going after blacks. Nothing, absolutely nothing, will remove the stain of your confession that your mother taught you to hate the coolie, a confession that I take credit for. You, by your words alone on this forum, are a racist of the highest pedigree.

It is clearly mental because you confuse my comments about mob violence by Indians and blacks in the 60s with victimization of blacks by Indians between 1992 and 2015, the Jagdeo era being especially bad.

And in fact your confusion is furthered by comments about my mother.  In fact my mother, who is a woman of mixed ancestry taught us NOT to stereotype people by race or by class.  Your mentally confused brain suffering from a lack of medication, or maybe too much of it, then confused these statements.

Maybe its YOUR mother who taught "hate black man, black just want to kill coolie".

What finally shut you down is when the Indo KKK here began their screams of "black man lazy", etc., illustrating my points about Indian racism.  

caribny posted:
skeldon_man posted

You probably were not born yet. It's the other way around...1962 and 1964. Blacks were killing coolies at every street corner. You probably heard tales from your parents who wanted to make blacks victims.

I was a little boy who was certainly familiar with "Hit the road Jack" and "Solidarity for ever". 

So blacks attacked Indians and Indians attacked blacks. Both were fearful of each other. Both fled from areas where they were the minority.

You know full well that your fellow PYO thugs used to sharpen their cutlasses and rub down their bodies with oil and went out to set fire to homes occupied by blacks and then cut them down as they tried to flee.  In fact West Coast Dem was infamous for this behavior. They even stopped a train and attacked the black passengers on board.

I think u r confused and like to believe what u have written. 

caribny posted:
antabanta posted

There is no opportunity for me to look like a clown because my discussion with you is not about Indian victimization of any kind or of any victimization of anyone by anyone else. My mental problem, or lack of any, has no bearing on our discussion. I must commend your feeble attempt to change the narrative and observe that the strategy seems to be straight out of the PNC's playbook. However, nothing you say can mitigate the blatant racism you have displayed on this forum. Nothing you say will change the record of you on this forum ranting and raving about an angry and vengeful mob of coolies going after blacks. Nothing, absolutely nothing, will remove the stain of your confession that your mother taught you to hate the coolie, a confession that I take credit for. You, by your words alone on this forum, are a racist of the highest pedigree.

It is clearly mental because you confuse my comments about mob violence by Indians and blacks in the 60s with victimization of blacks by Indians between 1992 and 2015, the Jagdeo era being especially bad.

And in fact your confusion is furthered by comments about my mother.  In fact my mother, who is a woman of mixed ancestry taught us NOT to stereotype people by race or by class.  Your mentally confused brain suffering from a lack of medication, or maybe too much of it, then confused these statements.

Maybe its YOUR mother who taught "hate black man, black just want to kill coolie".

What finally shut you down is when the Indo KKK here began their screams of "black man lazy", etc., illustrating my points about Indian racism.  

I was shut down??? Your unique ability to make shit up to rant about is amazing. There is no confusion. Your vitriol and animus re-surfaces frequently when your control lapses. Again, nothing you say can mitigate what you are and your history on GNI. Absolutely nothing. All your ranting and raving are pointless.

caribny posted:
antabanta posted

There is no opportunity for me to look like a clown because my discussion with you is not about Indian victimization of any kind or of any victimization of anyone by anyone else. My mental problem, or lack of any, has no bearing on our discussion. I must commend your feeble attempt to change the narrative and observe that the strategy seems to be straight out of the PNC's playbook. However, nothing you say can mitigate the blatant racism you have displayed on this forum. Nothing you say will change the record of you on this forum ranting and raving about an angry and vengeful mob of coolies going after blacks. Nothing, absolutely nothing, will remove the stain of your confession that your mother taught you to hate the coolie, a confession that I take credit for. You, by your words alone on this forum, are a racist of the highest pedigree.

It is clearly mental because you confuse my comments about mob violence by Indians and blacks in the 60s with victimization of blacks by Indians between 1992 and 2015, the Jagdeo era being especially bad.

And in fact your confusion is furthered by comments about my mother.  In fact my mother, who is a woman of mixed ancestry taught us NOT to stereotype people by race or by class.  Your mentally confused brain suffering from a lack of medication, or maybe too much of it, then confused these statements.

Maybe its YOUR mother who taught "hate black man, black just want to kill coolie".

What finally shut you down is when the Indo KKK here began their screams of "black man lazy", etc., illustrating my points about Indian racism.  

Maybe its YOUR mother who taught "hate black man, black just want to kill coolie".

Because you are a blackman you are allowed to go after the man's mother.  This is a case where :"Blackman ah abuse Coolie".

caribny posted:
In fact the same forces that impact blacks also impact Indians. Why did so many of them flee to a cesspool that is considered to be one of the poorest cities in NYS? 2 decades after they moved there that city is still poor.

And it will shock you to know that there are blacks moving TO Harlem BUYING brownstones.

https://www.theguardian.com/us...m-not-a-good-feeling

Its really sad that all you can do is to convince yourself that even though you are unworthy at least you are better than blacks.  Every time a successful Afro Guyanese is portrayed you drive yourself into a frenzy of rage.   Not a good  state for you to be in at all.

Nonsense, the difference is that Indos move out of these areas as they become upward mobile in short as 1 or 2 generations, meanwhile you and your clan hang around the slums for generations. Stuck in an endless cycle of welfare dependency, prostitution, criminal activities and drug abuse.

Drugb posted:
 

Nonsense, the difference is that Indos move out of these areas as they become upward mobile in short as 1 or 2 generations, meanwhile you and your clan hang around the slums for generations. Stuck in an endless cycle of welfare dependency, prostitution, criminal activities and drug abuse.

Indo Guyanese live in Schenectady, one of the poorest cities in NY.  That city has been losing population.

I suggest that you take a trip to the end of the "A" train and see how many of those stores packed with your folks accept SNAP.

yuji22 posted:

Is Carib serious ?

Quote from Carib:

"with your 3 days weddings with screechy music and public urination by the guests."

Carib, please uplift your standards, you can do a lot better.

I quote what I was told by those white people.  They didn't think that you improved their neighborhood.  Ironically you will gobble up every racist statement that they make of blacks but don't seem to understand that they see you no different.

And they do NOT see Guyanese Indians in the same way as they do those from India.

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