Afro-Guyanese deserve 15,000 square miles of territory as partial compensation for enslavement; law being drafted for African land rights

Guana, posters like you are become irrevelamt at GNI by spewing hate and creating trouble. 

BTW, I do extend the challenge to prove your claim about the posts that you are referring to. 

You are definitely here to create trouble. Consider this my last conversation with you. I no longer indulge with trouble makers. 

Thank you. 

yuji22 posted:

Guana, posters like you are become irrevelamt at GNI by spewing hate and creating trouble. 

BTW, I do extend the challenge to prove your claim about the posts that you are referring to. 

You are definitely here to create trouble. Consider this my last conversation with you. I no longer indulge with trouble makers. 

Thank you. 

Buzz off clown! Even the majority of Indians here hate your guts.

So... back to the issue.
Is the Guyana Reparations Committee representative only of AfroGuyanese?
Why does Guyana have to compensate for slavery?
Will Guyana compensate for indentured servitude?
What inequalities will the reparation reduce?
If Amerindians, true owners of Guyana, got only 13.8%, why the claim of 15% for AfroGuyanese?
How will the 15000 square miles be allocated or is there some scam in the offing where someone or some group of individuals will get rich off of developing this land?

antabanta posted:

So... back to the issue.
Is the Guyana Reparations Committee representative only of AfroGuyanese?
Why does Guyana have to compensate for slavery?
Will Guyana compensate for indentured servitude?
What inequalities will the reparation reduce?
If Amerindians, true owners of Guyana, got only 13.8%, why the claim of 15% for AfroGuyanese?
How will the 15000 square miles be allocated or is there some scam in the offing where someone or some group of individuals will get rich off of developing this land?

When Forbes opened the Polders in the 60s, was land not available to all Guyanese? Why not do the same thing again?

antabanta posted:
antabanta posted:

So... back to the issue.
Is the Guyana Reparations Committee representative only of AfroGuyanese?
Why does Guyana have to compensate for slavery?
Will Guyana compensate for indentured servitude?
What inequalities will the reparation reduce?
If Amerindians, true owners of Guyana, got only 13.8%, why the claim of 15% for AfroGuyanese?
How will the 15000 square miles be allocated or is there some scam in the offing where someone or some group of individuals will get rich off of developing this land?

When Forbes opened the Polders in the 60s, was land not available to all Guyanese? Why not do the same thing again?

Only Eric Phillips and his merry band know the answers to your questions,  but I don't think a majority of Afro Guyanese are buying what he's selling. Guyana belongs to all Guyanese. I for one oppose his plan.

However, I do not understand why we have people of all races living in absolutely deplorable "housing" when there are 83K square miles overall and much available land in coastal areas where people don't have to live in poverty.

I'm as big a capitalist as the next guy. I understand economic development and job creation is the way to go long term. But two things. First, we have idiots in govt. who have destroyed every  industry. Are these the people we are now going to entrust billions in oil money and ask them to create jobs via economic development, infrastructure improvement etc? These people are MORONSat and CORRUPT ones at that! The billions will either be spent on bridges that wash away or flat out STOLEN! The public will see nothing.

Secondly - I think the best way to get something to the ordinary man is to give some land and a house to each Guyanese compliments of the oil money, starting with the poorest (they live in zinc sheet shacks). Jobs can be created from contractors building the houses (standards, inspections etc warranted. Of course "friends" will get the contracts).

The situation is dire, we cannot gamble on "trickle down" (funny how we hated it when Reagan did it but love it for Guyanese). People are suffering. This is their land, their oil, their home. They stayed, we didn't. Give them some of the damn money in the form of a roof over their head and stop piddling like we are a first world country with economic and investment gurus who know what to do. We don't have them.

I know there are many cons of what I propose, but it's a start. I wish the housing program I propose can be managed by some resources from the ABC nations. I don't even trust the current crop of clowns or their "opposition" in parliament to do anything good.

My 2 cents.

Iguana posted:
antabanta posted:
antabanta posted:

So... back to the issue.
Is the Guyana Reparations Committee representative only of AfroGuyanese?
Why does Guyana have to compensate for slavery?
Will Guyana compensate for indentured servitude?
What inequalities will the reparation reduce?
If Amerindians, true owners of Guyana, got only 13.8%, why the claim of 15% for AfroGuyanese?
How will the 15000 square miles be allocated or is there some scam in the offing where someone or some group of individuals will get rich off of developing this land?

When Forbes opened the Polders in the 60s, was land not available to all Guyanese? Why not do the same thing again?

Only Eric Phillips and his merry band know the answers to your questions,  but I don't think a majority of Afro Guyanese are buying what he's selling. Guyana belongs to all Guyanese. I for one oppose his plan.

However, I do not understand why we have people of all races living in absolutely deplorable "housing" when there are 83K square miles overall and much available land in coastal areas where people don't have to live in poverty.

I'm as big a capitalist as the next guy. I understand economic development and job creation is the way to go long term. But two things. First, we have idiots in govt. who have destroyed every  industry. Are these the people we are now going to entrust billions in oil money and ask them to create jobs via economic development, infrastructure improvement etc? These people are MORONSat and CORRUPT ones at that! The billions will either be spent on bridges that wash away or flat out STOLEN! The public will see nothing.

Secondly - I think the best way to get something to the ordinary man is to give some land and a house to each Guyanese compliments of the oil money, starting with the poorest (they live in zinc sheet shacks). Jobs can be created from contractors building the houses (standards, inspections etc warranted. Of course "friends" will get the contracts).

The situation is dire, we cannot gamble on "trickle down" (funny how we hated it when Reagan did it but love it for Guyanese). People are suffering. This is their land, their oil, their home. They stayed, we didn't. Give them some of the damn money in the form of a roof over their head and stop piddling like we are a first world country with economic and investment gurus who know what to do. We don't have them.

I know there are many cons of what I propose, but it's a start. I wish the housing program I propose can be managed by some resources from the ABC nations. I don't even trust the current crop of clowns or their "opposition" in parliament to do anything good.

My 2 cents.

The sole purpose of that plan is to capitalize on the present govt. and it probably was inspired by the precedents set by the previous govt. in sharing away lands to friends and family.

If Guyana sees any money from the oil, the govt should focus on education, infrastructure, new roads across the length and breadth of the country, and diversification. The massive economic stimulus from those will last a while, not to mention, an educated populace will take care of the rest. The accountability and transparency are a different matter not to be taken lightly.

antabanta posted:

So... back to the issue.
Is the Guyana Reparations Committee representative only of AfroGuyanese?
Why does Guyana have to compensate for slavery?
Will Guyana compensate for indentured servitude?
What inequalities will the reparation reduce?
If Amerindians, true owners of Guyana, got only 13.8%, why the claim of 15% for AfroGuyanese?
How will the 15000 square miles be allocated or is there some scam in the offing where someone or some group of individuals will get rich off of developing this land?

Ask the African Tribal Chiefs for compensation. They might get a goat or two for compensation. Even though slavery was immoral and brutal, those slaves made the sacrifice for their future generations who now live in developed countries.

skeldon_man posted:
antabanta posted:

So... back to the issue.
Is the Guyana Reparations Committee representative only of AfroGuyanese?
Why does Guyana have to compensate for slavery?
Will Guyana compensate for indentured servitude?
What inequalities will the reparation reduce?
If Amerindians, true owners of Guyana, got only 13.8%, why the claim of 15% for AfroGuyanese?
How will the 15000 square miles be allocated or is there some scam in the offing where someone or some group of individuals will get rich off of developing this land?

Ask the African Tribal Chiefs for compensation. They might get a goat or two for compensation. Even though slavery was immoral and brutal, those slaves made the sacrifice for their future generations who now live in developed countries.

Are you implying slavery was good for Africans now living in developed countries?

antabanta posted:

So... back to the issue.
Is the Guyana Reparations Committee representative only of AfroGuyanese?
Why does Guyana have to compensate for slavery?
Will Guyana compensate for indentured servitude?
What inequalities will the reparation reduce?
If Amerindians, true owners of Guyana, got only 13.8%, why the claim of 15% for AfroGuyanese?
How will the 15000 square miles be allocated or is there some scam in the offing where someone or some group of individuals will get rich off of developing this land?

The answer is as follows.  No one other than Eric Phillips thinks that blacks deserve such a major land allocation.   All blacks as individuals want is a chance to earn a decent living.  Never heard any even demand special favors or priorities over other groups.  They just want to ensure that they being black isnt used against them when it comes to employment or business opportunities.

As to reparations. Well CARICOM has asked for compensation from the former colonial powers for treatment meted out to Amerindians, Afro Caribbean people as well as indentures (Indians, Chinese, Portuguese and Africans). I personally think that they are wasting their time and should instead focus on other issues.

Asking the gov't of Guyana for compensation is a non starter given that this entity didn't exist in any shape or form during the periods under discussion.  Unlike Brazil, Barbados, the USA and other former slave holding nations the former slave owners have long left the country.

skeldon_man posted:
 

Ask the African Tribal Chiefs for compensation. 

Given that the last slaves taken from Africa to Guyana arrived by 1807 with some others illegally trafficked maybe up to the 1820s, who are these "tribal chiefs" that you speak of.  They are long gone as are the kingdoms that they ruled.

caribny posted:
antabanta posted:

So... back to the issue.
Is the Guyana Reparations Committee representative only of AfroGuyanese?
Why does Guyana have to compensate for slavery?
Will Guyana compensate for indentured servitude?
What inequalities will the reparation reduce?
If Amerindians, true owners of Guyana, got only 13.8%, why the claim of 15% for AfroGuyanese?
How will the 15000 square miles be allocated or is there some scam in the offing where someone or some group of individuals will get rich off of developing this land?

The answer is as follows.  No one other than Eric Phillips thinks that blacks deserve such a major land allocation.   All blacks as individuals want is a chance to earn a decent living.  Never heard any even demand special favors or priorities over other groups.  They just want to ensure that they being black isnt used against them when it comes to employment or business opportunities.

As to reparations. Well CARICOM has asked for compensation from the former colonial powers for treatment meted out to Amerindians, Afro Caribbean people as well as indentures (Indians, Chinese, Portuguese and Africans). I personally think that they are wasting their time and should instead focus on other issues.

Asking the gov't of Guyana for compensation is a non starter given that this entity didn't exist in any shape or form during the periods under discussion.  Unlike Brazil, Barbados, the USA and other former slave holding nations the former slave owners have long left the country.

Objective response. There's hope for you yet.

antabanta posted:
 

When Forbes opened the Polders in the 60s, was land not available to all Guyanese? Why not do the same thing again?

People have a right to seek opportunities that they desire and no man made barriers of racism should be erected to prevent them for achieving this.

Blacks in Guyana had a very bad experience with farming, due to the success that the plantocracy had in destroying their communities.  Blacks began to achieve upward mobility when they moved on to other activities.

Scratch the roots of today's middle class blacks and you will see a civil servant, a teacher, a nurse, a tradesman, or someone working in the gold fields.  These are the people who set the foundation for their descendants to move upwards.

You will not see a large scale movement of blacks into farming anymore than you will see Indians moving to the GDF or the GPF.

caribny posted:
antabanta posted:
 

When Forbes opened the Polders in the 60s, was land not available to all Guyanese? Why not do the same thing again?

People have a right to seek opportunities that they desire and no man made barriers of racism should be erected to prevent them for achieving this.

Blacks in Guyana had a very bad experience with farming, due to the success that the plantocracy had in destroying their communities.  Blacks began to achieve upward mobility when they moved on to other activities.

Scratch the roots of today's middle class blacks and you will see a civil servant, a teacher, a nurse, a tradesman, or someone working in the gold fields.  These are the people who set the foundation for their descendants to move upwards.

You will not see a large scale movement of blacks into farming anymore than you will see Indians moving to the GDF or the GPF.

Regardless, when the GoG opens land to its populace, it is open to all and sundry. 

Iguana posted:

Secondly - I think the best way to get something to the ordinary man is to give some land and a house to each Guyanese compliments of the oil money, starting with the poorest (they live in zinc sheet shacks). 

My 2 cents.

The best way to help the ordinary man is to ensure that a process of education and vocational training, aligned with the employment opportunities, is put in place.  Capital available to fund various activities including micro enterprises will be part of this. 

 

I also endorse the resurrection of village council where communities identify projects that they need assistance with in order to develop their communities.

 

caribny posted:
antabanta posted:
 

Objective response. There's hope for you yet.

And I am supposed to remain silent when others scream about all the racism of blacks towards Indians when in fact Indians have also displayed racism towards blacks.

I remember a time on this forum when you did a hell of a lot more than not remain silent, when you screamed loudest about the mob of coolies descending upon blacks, when you scoured the Internet for the remotest defamatory article about Indians, embellishing and making up quite a bit along the way. Don't even think about denying it.

antabanta posted:
 

 

Regardless, when the GoG opens land to its populace, it is open to all and sundry. 

Open land to do what? Check any developing nation and the poorest people are the small peasant farmers and millions have moved to huge mega cities to escape this rural poverty.

I need only to look at GNI. Large numbers of people here come from a rural farming background. NONE of them are still involved. Why?

The notion that sending people from G/T to go plant a few vegetables is going to solve their problems is nonsense.  They know nothing of farming and the Guyana gov't is ill equipped to teach them or to fund their ventures until they become self supporting.

antabanta posted:
caribny posted:
antabanta posted:
 

Objective response. There's hope for you yet.

And I am supposed to remain silent when others scream about all the racism of blacks towards Indians when in fact Indians have also displayed racism towards blacks.

I remember a time on this forum when you did a hell of a lot more than not remain silent, when you screamed loudest about the mob of coolies descending upon blacks, when you scoured the Internet for the remotest defamatory article about Indians, embellishing and making up quite a bit along the way. Don't even think about denying it.

No I didn't remain silent and I don't intend to.  I began to post when a bunch of racists here posted a picture of a little girl from Buxton and were calling her stupid, ugly and nasty.  Then proceeded to rant that black people in Guyana are useless and have no made no contributions and should be grateful to Indians. 

That is certainly a mob reaction of Indians against a black person, and a young child at that.  Given that this forum is known in Guyana (it has been referenced in KN and SN) how do you know that some cruel person mightn't have shown that to her?

The only person who condemned this was D2, then a staunch PPPite. And what did he say?  That people ought to stop doing this because it will encourage some "Afrocentric" person to post.   Well I did and I don't give a damn because  NONE of you all condemned Indian racism towards blacks before I arrived.  Since then a few of you do, mainly because you fear that I emboldens me to say more. 

The racism on this site was so disgusting that almost all of the blacks who were active here moved on.  Yes mob violence of Indians against the black posters!

And yes I posted comments from Barbados. Right at the time when Bajans were threatening to push out Guyanese Indians who were then refusing to integrate and displaying racist attitudes towards them.

caribny posted:

The best way to help the ordinary man is to ensure that a process of education and vocational training, aligned with the employment opportunities, is put in place.  Capital available to fund various activities including micro enterprises will be part of this. 

 I also endorse the resurrection of village council where communities identify projects that they need assistance with in order to develop their communities.

 

Carib, I am not going to disagree with any of your post. My only contention is that we have been independent for over 50 years and managed our country into the gutter. The governments during that time cannot perform the most BASIC functions to serve the people. So why would it be different now? So while I agree with the "process of education and vocational training aligned with employment opportunities", I question WHO will put this together and lead this effort. I see no one / group.

Love the idea of bringing back the village councils. Government at the lowest levels is always best.

skeldon_man posted:

Ask the African Tribal Chiefs for compensation. They might get a goat or two for compensation. Even though slavery was immoral and brutal, those slaves made the sacrifice for their future generations who now live in developed countries.

We already got we goat bai. A Ramgoat at that. He suh smart he duz post hay as Billy Ram Balgobin.

caribny posted:
antabanta posted:
 

 

Regardless, when the GoG opens land to its populace, it is open to all and sundry. 

Open land to do what? Check any developing nation and the poorest people are the small peasant farmers and millions have moved to huge mega cities to escape this rural poverty.

I need only to look at GNI. Large numbers of people here come from a rural farming background. NONE of them are still involved. Why?

The notion that sending people from G/T to go plant a few vegetables is going to solve their problems is nonsense.  They know nothing of farming and the Guyana gov't is ill equipped to teach them or to fund their ventures until they become self supporting.

You must be joking. The wealth of the Indo rice farmers is legendary. Regardless, real estate is scarce simply because they don't make more of it. Who said anything about sending people from GT to plant a few vegetables? Do you think the people who rushed to the polders that Forbes opened had agricultural background? Many of them went and learned on the job. Do you understand that Black Bush Polder is one of the largest rice producing areas in the world? Don't make stupid excuses and try to justify them with your usual vague BS. 

caribny posted:
antabanta posted:
caribny posted:
antabanta posted:
 

Objective response. There's hope for you yet.

And I am supposed to remain silent when others scream about all the racism of blacks towards Indians when in fact Indians have also displayed racism towards blacks.

I remember a time on this forum when you did a hell of a lot more than not remain silent, when you screamed loudest about the mob of coolies descending upon blacks, when you scoured the Internet for the remotest defamatory article about Indians, embellishing and making up quite a bit along the way. Don't even think about denying it.

No I didn't remain silent and I don't intend to.  I began to post when a bunch of racists here posted a picture of a little girl from Buxton and were calling her stupid, ugly and nasty.  Then proceeded to rant that black people in Guyana are useless and have no made no contributions and should be grateful to Indians. 

That is certainly a mob reaction of Indians against a black person, and a young child at that.  Given that this forum is known in Guyana (it has been referenced in KN and SN) how do you know that some cruel person mightn't have shown that to her?

The only person who condemned this was D2, then a staunch PPPite. And what did he say?  That people ought to stop doing this because it will encourage some "Afrocentric" person to post.   Well I did and I don't give a damn because  NONE of you all condemned Indian racism towards blacks before I arrived.  Since then a few of you do, mainly because you fear that I emboldens me to say more. 

The racism on this site was so disgusting that almost all of the blacks who were active here moved on.  Yes mob violence of Indians against the black posters!

And yes I posted comments from Barbados. Right at the time when Bajans were threatening to push out Guyanese Indians who were then refusing to integrate and displaying racist attitudes towards them.

You contributed tremendously to the disgusting racism on this site. You didn't simply post comments from Barbados. You scoured the Internet for anti-Indo comments to regurgitate, hourly. Someone here fears you????

Iguana posted:
caribny posted:

The best way to help the ordinary man is to ensure that a process of education and vocational training, aligned with the employment opportunities, is put in place.  Capital available to fund various activities including micro enterprises will be part of this. 

 I also endorse the resurrection of village council where communities identify projects that they need assistance with in order to develop their communities.

 

Carib, I am not going to disagree with any of your post. My only contention is that we have been independent for over 50 years and managed our country into the gutter. The governments during that time cannot perform the most BASIC functions to serve the people. So why would it be different now? So while I agree with the "process of education and vocational training aligned with employment opportunities", I question WHO will put this together and lead this effort. I see no one / group.

Love the idea of bringing back the village councils. Government at the lowest levels is always best.

The fact remains that the world isn't what is was 100 years ago.  Guyanese need to be equipped to function in the 21st century based upon the opportunities which are available. 

Guyanese do not make demands of the gov't so get nothing.   I include employers who would rather whine that they cannot find proper workers than insist that education/training be upgraded so that they can compete.

If Guyanese do not insist upon a gov't which functions then they get nowhere.  If they are content with this then that is fine.  Some people are actually not bothered with living in squalor and deprivation.

Why is it that Barbados with 1% of our assets has a GDP at least double ours and a labor force which is more trained than is ours?   I was watching a program and Jamaica has lifted its BPO sector above the basic call center activity to where value added services are now provided, with many workers now moving solidly into the middle class.  Why?  Because someone exerted the time and effort to train people and to reward those who perform.

But even if you give Guyanese land. What happens when there is a flood or a drought or some break down in the infrastructure, especially as these new lands becoming available will be in the more marginal places?  The better sites already in use for some purpose. All that will happen is that people will eventually abandon their plots and move to GT when their crops fail.

antabanta posted:
 

You contributed tremendously to the disgusting racism on this site. You didn't simply post comments from Barbados. You scoured the Internet for anti-Indo comments to regurgitate, hourly. Someone here fears you????

You would have been happy if I stayed quiet while others ranted about "black man lazy", black man nasty", black man stupid", "without Indians Guyana would have been like Haiti", "ahbe pan tap, black man time done", "black man cyant even run a mauby shap".  Even some people wailing that blacks should be kept in permanent poverty.

This was the level of dialogue which existed on GNI before I came.  YOU did not object and YOU were on this site before I came on.  Had people like you objected I wouldn't have even bothered to post, because I was lurking on this site for at least 3 years before disgusting anti black bigotry forced me to attempt to present a balanced view of ethnic relations in Guyana.

You cannot even cite any comments from me about Indians that rises to this level. Yes Indian racism against blacks exists.  Yes Indians are a clannish ethnically focused group.  yes Indo Guyanese identity is centered around being Indian with being Guyanese a lower priority.  You cannot prove me wrong on that so you will scream that I am a racist for saying this.

And yes if Indians go to Barbados, Nevis, and Tortola and then call the local people lazy and think that they are better than these locals these people will protest and yes I will find this and I will expose this every time some racist here denigrates black people! 

Barbadians had enough issues with their white population and didn't need a bunch of Indian foreigners bringing their anti black bigotry with them.  Especially as these same clowns were fleeing into a majority black island from an Indo dominated regime.  The nerve of people wailing that black people cannot govern properly and then forced to eke out a living in islands where better governance gave them better opportunities than their Indo regime could.

The fact is that you were fine when GNI was an anti black hate site (yes it was flagged as one in Canada and a poster here informed us of that).

Now think about why almost all of the openly self identified blacks left GNI in disgust if it was that the bulk of the racism was anti Indian.

Ray posted:

Village councils were excellent back in the day...

That was one of Burnham's most destructive acts because he wanted to undermine the black villagers from self reliance and to reduce them to sole dependence on his regime. Sons of tradesmen became power hungry YSM thugs incapable of anything other than bullying any and all who didn't bow down to the Kabaka. 

The damage is very evident even today.  That should be sorted out instead of nonsensical schemes of giving people land that they didn't ask for and probably wouldn't even know how to properly utilize.  After all where is this 15k square miles in Guyana? NOT in well drained and irrigated areas with good access to infrastructure.

Iguana posted:
antabanta posted:
antabanta posted:

So... back to the issue.
Is the Guyana Reparations Committee representative only of AfroGuyanese?
Why does Guyana have to compensate for slavery?
Will Guyana compensate for indentured servitude?
What inequalities will the reparation reduce?
If Amerindians, true owners of Guyana, got only 13.8%, why the claim of 15% for AfroGuyanese?
How will the 15000 square miles be allocated or is there some scam in the offing where someone or some group of individuals will get rich off of developing this land?

When Forbes opened the Polders in the 60s, was land not available to all Guyanese? Why not do the same thing again?

Only Eric Phillips and his merry band know the answers to your questions,  but I don't think a majority of Afro Guyanese are buying what he's selling. Guyana belongs to all Guyanese. I for one oppose his plan.

However, I do not understand why we have people of all races living in absolutely deplorable "housing" when there are 83K square miles overall and much available land in coastal areas where people don't have to live in poverty.

I'm as big a capitalist as the next guy. I understand economic development and job creation is the way to go long term. But two things. First, we have idiots in govt. who have destroyed every  industry. Are these the people we are now going to entrust billions in oil money and ask them to create jobs via economic development, infrastructure improvement etc? These people are MORONSat and CORRUPT ones at that! The billions will either be spent on bridges that wash away or flat out STOLEN! The public will see nothing.

Secondly - I think the best way to get something to the ordinary man is to give some land and a house to each Guyanese compliments of the oil money, starting with the poorest (they live in zinc sheet shacks). Jobs can be created from contractors building the houses (standards, inspections etc warranted. Of course "friends" will get the contracts).

The situation is dire, we cannot gamble on "trickle down" (funny how we hated it when Reagan did it but love it for Guyanese). People are suffering. This is their land, their oil, their home. They stayed, we didn't. Give them some of the damn money in the form of a roof over their head and stop piddling like we are a first world country with economic and investment gurus who know what to do. We don't have them.

I know there are many cons of what I propose, but it's a start. I wish the housing program I propose can be managed by some resources from the ABC nations. I don't even trust the current crop of clowns or their "opposition" in parliament to do anything good.

My 2 cents.

Starvation is not due to lack of food but due to the lack of economics by people to access food.  Same for housing.  Guyana’s 83k landmass is meaningless if there is no economic and social policies to ensure people can access it. 

Baseman posted:
 Guyana’s 83k landmass is meaningless if there is no economic and social policies to ensure people can access it. 

There was a program on Discovery channel called Gold Rush.  What is evident is that in vast swathes of Guyana finding food is a huge challenge.  The climate is severe and the earth isn't fertile. Infrastructure is nonexistent.

The fact remains that most of Guyana has value only to extract resources and maybe as eco/adventure sites.  The coast, the intermediate savannahs and maybe parts of the Rupununi are the only areas where viable agriculture can be pursued.

So we need to stop this nonsense about vast acreages.  Even gold extraction is reaching the point where only the larger miners can earn a decent living.  The smaller ones left to eke out an existence.

caribny posted:
Baseman posted:
 Guyana’s 83k landmass is meaningless if there is no economic and social policies to ensure people can access it. 

There was a program on Discovery channel called Gold Rush.  What is evident is that in vast swathes of Guyana finding food is a huge challenge.  The climate is severe and the earth isn't fertile. Infrastructure is nonexistent.

The fact remains that most of Guyana has value only to extract resources and maybe as eco/adventure sites.  The coast, the intermediate savannahs and maybe parts of the Rupununi are the only areas where viable agriculture can be pursued.

So we need to stop this nonsense about vast acreages.  Even gold extraction is reaching the point where only the larger miners can earn a decent living.  The smaller ones left to eke out an existence.

And how is this accomplished and who pays?  Alyuh PNCites assaulted and bruk up everything and expect to have it?  You don't kill the goose and then expect more eggs!

antabanta posted:
skeldon_man posted:
antabanta posted:

So... back to the issue.
Is the Guyana Reparations Committee representative only of AfroGuyanese?
Why does Guyana have to compensate for slavery?
Will Guyana compensate for indentured servitude?
What inequalities will the reparation reduce?
If Amerindians, true owners of Guyana, got only 13.8%, why the claim of 15% for AfroGuyanese?
How will the 15000 square miles be allocated or is there some scam in the offing where someone or some group of individuals will get rich off of developing this land?

Ask the African Tribal Chiefs for compensation. They might get a goat or two for compensation. Even though slavery was immoral and brutal, those slaves made the sacrifice for their future generations who now live in developed countries.

Are you implying slavery was good for Africans now living in developed countries?

Read again and understand.

caribny posted:
skeldon_man posted:
 

Ask the African Tribal Chiefs for compensation. 

Given that the last slaves taken from Africa to Guyana arrived by 1807 with some others illegally trafficked maybe up to the 1820s, who are these "tribal chiefs" that you speak of.  They are long gone as are the kingdoms that they ruled.

The same can be said about the people who enslaved them. The past generations who suffered have long gone. The current generation never suffered. Put this compensation crap to rest.

Why should every black in Guyana be given compensation? Does this mean as long as black people live in Guyana they will be compensated?  Who is to say future generations will not make the same claim? Every Afro Guyanese grandparent, father, mother, child etc will make a claim. They will own Guyana outright. What happens to the Natives and other races who helped build Guyana? They get katahar? 

caribny posted:
antabanta posted:
 

You contributed tremendously to the disgusting racism on this site. You didn't simply post comments from Barbados. You scoured the Internet for anti-Indo comments to regurgitate, hourly. Someone here fears you????

You would have been happy if I stayed quiet while others ranted about "black man lazy", black man nasty", black man stupid", "without Indians Guyana would have been like Haiti", "ahbe pan tap, black man time done", "black man cyant even run a mauby shap".  Even some people wailing that blacks should be kept in permanent poverty.

This was the level of dialogue which existed on GNI before I came.  YOU did not object and YOU were on this site before I came on.  Had people like you objected I wouldn't have even bothered to post, because I was lurking on this site for at least 3 years before disgusting anti black bigotry forced me to attempt to present a balanced view of ethnic relations in Guyana.

You cannot even cite any comments from me about Indians that rises to this level. Yes Indian racism against blacks exists.  Yes Indians are a clannish ethnically focused group.  yes Indo Guyanese identity is centered around being Indian with being Guyanese a lower priority.  You cannot prove me wrong on that so you will scream that I am a racist for saying this.

And yes if Indians go to Barbados, Nevis, and Tortola and then call the local people lazy and think that they are better than these locals these people will protest and yes I will find this and I will expose this every time some racist here denigrates black people! 

Barbadians had enough issues with their white population and didn't need a bunch of Indian foreigners bringing their anti black bigotry with them.  Especially as these same clowns were fleeing into a majority black island from an Indo dominated regime.  The nerve of people wailing that black people cannot govern properly and then forced to eke out a living in islands where better governance gave them better opportunities than their Indo regime could.

The fact is that you were fine when GNI was an anti black hate site (yes it was flagged as one in Canada and a poster here informed us of that).

Now think about why almost all of the openly self identified blacks left GNI in disgust if it was that the bulk of the racism was anti Indian.

My happiness is far removed from you actions. The fact remains that you are one of the biggest contributors to racism on this site and people like you, on both sides of the divide, are responsible for the propagation of racism. All of your ranting and raving cannot mitigate your contribution.

skeldon_man posted:
antabanta posted:
skeldon_man posted:
antabanta posted:

So... back to the issue.
Is the Guyana Reparations Committee representative only of AfroGuyanese?
Why does Guyana have to compensate for slavery?
Will Guyana compensate for indentured servitude?
What inequalities will the reparation reduce?
If Amerindians, true owners of Guyana, got only 13.8%, why the claim of 15% for AfroGuyanese?
How will the 15000 square miles be allocated or is there some scam in the offing where someone or some group of individuals will get rich off of developing this land?

Ask the African Tribal Chiefs for compensation. They might get a goat or two for compensation. Even though slavery was immoral and brutal, those slaves made the sacrifice for their future generations who now live in developed countries.

Are you implying slavery was good for Africans now living in developed countries?

Read again and understand.

You said slaves made a sacrifice. They did not. A sacrifice is voluntary.  They were enslaved and brutally oppressed. The gist of your post, taken as a whole, is that African descendants are better off in developed countries and should be thankful for it. That is pure horseshit.

Baseman posted:
 

And how is this accomplished and who pays?  Alyuh PNCites assaulted and bruk up everything and expect to have it?  You don't kill the goose and then expect more eggs!

1.  The PPP had 23 years to fix it.

2.  The coalition gov't is continuing what the PPP did so if they "bruk up things" then so was the PPP.

skeldon_man posted:
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The same can be said about the people who enslaved them.

In fact the United kingdom, France, the United States of America and the Netherlands exist today as modern countries.   Many companies which benefitted from slavery still exist as did families which were compensated for the loss of their slaves.  Loans incurred by Haiti to compensate France for having to compensate French slave owners were paid off after WWII, so not that long ago.  Similarly was the loan that the UK gov't incurred to pay off British slave owners.

So unlike the Akwamu kingdom, or the Oyo empire, the Euro/American entities existed up to the present.

Given that I have said that demanding reparations is a waste of time why are you babbling about this.

Did I say that we should pursue reparations?  I said that it was a waste of time.

Did I say that blacks should demand reparations from the gov't of Guyana?  In fact I said that I opposed this and pointed out many reasons why this is wrong.

Now please remember that Jagdeo ran around screaming for reparations and got Indentures to be added to the claims so you all wouldn't scream "PPP hate "collie"".

antabanta posted:
The fact remains that you are one of the biggest contributors to racism on this site .

Talking about racism isn't racist.  You have yet to show what I did was racist. 

Now I gave many examples of racism by Indians which not only was on GNI but was something that blacks under the PPP had to confront on a daily basis.

Your reality is that you just don't want people to discuss racism if it comes from Indians as you think such discussion is racist.  When its about how Indians suffered under the PNC/blacks that part doesn't disturb you.

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