A new Caravan cometh.....we need the wall ASAP!

There is already a wall across most of the border.  If people really want to enter they will do exactly that.  Maybe if the USA looked at its immigration policies it wouldn't have this problem.  Many undocumented migrants are married to US citizens. Prior to 1996 such people would have been sponsored, and would have been given permission to work as the application was processed. 

It is known that this is how many Guyanese who came to NYC in the 80s on "indefinite vacations" eventually legalized themselves.   Yes there were Guyanese "caravans" from Canada with people in the trunk until they got passed the US border.

This is a caravan of organized invaders!  The Govt's are encouraging it because some aid was reduced.  Shows the corruption in those countries.  How come they are allowed to organize, congregate, and create this caravan in nations where workers cannot organize a protest for better working conditions?

The USA may need to go to war to stop this invasion!

Baseman posted:

This is a caravan of organized invaders!  The Govt's are encouraging it because some aid was reduced.  Shows the corruption in those countries.  How come they are allowed to organize, congregate, and create this caravan in nations where workers cannot organize a protest for better working conditions?

The USA may need to go to war to stop this invasion!

go ahead and go to war...

there is mass movement of people all over the world...just chickens coming home to roost

In 1980, under pressure to begin construction on what would become his signature project, Donald J. Trump employed a crew of 200 undocumented Polish workers who worked in 12-hour shifts, without gloves, hard hats or masks, to demolish the Bonwit Teller building on Fifth Avenue, where the 58-story, golden-hued Trump Tower now stands.

The workers were paid as little as $4 an hour for their dangerous labor, less than half the union wage, if they got paid at all.

Their treatment led to years of litigation over Mr. Trump’s labor practices, and in 1998, despite frequent claims that he never settles lawsuits, Mr. Trump quietly reached an agreement to end a class-action suit over the Bonwit Teller demolition in which he was a defendant.

For almost 20 years, the terms of that settlement have remained a secret. But last week, the settlement documents were unsealed by Loretta A. Preska, a United States District Court judge for the Southern District, in response to a 2016 motion filed by Time Inc. and the Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press. Judge Preska found that the public’s right to know of court proceedings in a class-action case was strengthened by the involvement of the “now-president of the United States.”

Donald Trump posed with a model of Trump Tower in 1980. A group of undocumented Polish laborers were hired to help bring down the building that had previously stood on the site. Don Hogan Charles/The New York Times

Source with rest of the article. ... https://www.nytimes.com/2017/1...nion-settlement.html

Baseman posted:

This is a caravan of organized invaders!  The Govt's are encouraging it because some aid was reduced.  Shows the corruption in those countries.  How come they are allowed to organize, congregate, and create this caravan in nations where workers cannot organize a protest for better working conditions?

The USA may need to go to war to stop this invasion!

Base, you are wrong on this one Bai. Show some compassion like a good Christian that you are.

Baseman posted:

This is a caravan of organized invaders!  The Govt's are encouraging it because some aid was reduced.  Shows the corruption in those countries.  How come they are allowed to organize, congregate, and create this caravan in nations where workers cannot organize a protest for better working conditions?

The USA may need to go to war to stop this invasion!

Who is going to fill all the millions of vacancies that Trump is boasting about and that America don't have enough workers. USA needs cheap laborers these migrants will be a drop in the bucket.

The Linen White folkes from Europe don't want to come to America, they don't even holiday in America they prefer to vacation in the Islands, such as Jamaica, Cuba, Barbados etc.,

 USA needs unskilled workers, but the unskilled Americans don't want to do menial jobs.

kp posted:
Baseman posted:

This is a caravan of organized invaders!  The Govt's are encouraging it because some aid was reduced.  Shows the corruption in those countries.  How come they are allowed to organize, congregate, and create this caravan in nations where workers cannot organize a protest for better working conditions?

The USA may need to go to war to stop this invasion!

Who is going to fill all the millions of vacancies that Trump is boasting about and that America don't have enough workers. USA needs cheap laborers these migrants will be a drop in the bucket.

The Linen White folkes from Europe don't want to come to America, they don't even holiday in America they prefer to vacation in the Islands, such as Jamaica, Cuba, Barbados etc.,

 USA needs unskilled workers, but the unskilled Americans don't want to do menial jobs.

Only lazy people complain they cannot find jobs in America. They complain that immigrants take their jobs. They do not want to work and these are the very people you see go out there and support Trump's racist agenda. Most of them are rednecks from the south.

kp posted:
Baseman posted:

This is a caravan of organized invaders!  The Govt's are encouraging it because some aid was reduced.  Shows the corruption in those countries.  How come they are allowed to organize, congregate, and create this caravan in nations where workers cannot organize a protest for better working conditions?

The USA may need to go to war to stop this invasion!

Who is going to fill all the millions of vacancies that Trump is boasting about and that America don't have enough workers. USA needs cheap laborers these migrants will be a drop in the bucket.

The Linen White folkes from Europe don't want to come to America, they don't even holiday in America they prefer to vacation in the Islands, such as Jamaica, Cuba, Barbados etc.,

 USA needs unskilled workers, but the unskilled Americans don't want to do menial jobs.

The millions of Afros and others who are still scrounging, some having non-violent criminal records and are shut out of the market.

The unfilled jobs are mostly blue-collar, not menial, in the construction industry.  These people could be trained to do these jobs....and they speak English!

I don't know why you think they will fill these jobs when they don't speak a word of English!

Ray posted:

dude...you think native born Americans could work like some of these Spanish people?

these people don't even have training, but they can work like ass

These Latinos do all the jobs that Americans feel that are menial. They bust their asses off to get the work and make a living.

Ray posted:

dude...you think native born Americans could work like some of these Spanish people?

these people don't even have training, but they can work like ass

No issue with legal immigration.  Illegal immigrants are the most exploited group in the USA.

I have a brother that lives in Up State NY, I remember several years back he needed workers to do his landscaping, he would drive to the Bronx and bring a van load  of Latino immigrants, house ,feed them for a week and pay them min. wage, but they would work and hardly take a break. Some could speak enough English to get by,But where he lived he could not find workers to do the job, sure maybe all the Latino workers he got were illegals, but who cares, the job was completed in two weeks.

kp posted:

I have a brother that lives in Up State NY, I remember several years back he needed workers to do his landscaping, he would drive to the Bronx and bring a van load  of Latino immigrants, house ,feed them for a week and pay them min. wage, but they would work and hardly take a break. Some could speak enough English to get by,But where he lived he could not find workers to do the job, sure maybe all the Latino workers he got were illegals, but who cares, the job was completed in two weeks.

I had Latinos replaced my roof and refinish my living room floor. No problem with their work.

kp posted:

I have a brother that lives in Up State NY, I remember several years back he needed workers to do his landscaping, he would drive to the Bronx and bring a van load  of Latino immigrants, house ,feed them for a week and pay them min. wage, but they would work and hardly take a break. Some could speak enough English to get by,But where he lived he could not find workers to do the job, sure maybe all the Latino workers he got were illegals, but who cares, the job was completed in two weeks.

Someone does care, the US law!!!!!!

There are many legit landscaping outfits all over the USA.  Don't tell me he could not find in Upstate?  How does everyone get theirs done?  I'm sure they don't all come to the Bronx.  I often drive thru upstate NY on way to Canada and you see lots of landscaping trucks around.

Yes, he got illegals and paid them pittance, worked them like dogs, then they disappear back to the illegal miserable lives after.  I understand why you support illegal immigration.

I don't hire illegals.   I renovated two houses in NJ, all with legal Guyanese Black workers.  They worked 12-14 hours a day, got the job done and was paid a decent wage.  The company doing all landscape is an all white team from a legitimate LLC.

Baseman posted:
kp posted:

I have a brother that lives in Up State NY, I remember several years back he needed workers to do his landscaping, he would drive to the Bronx and bring a van load  of Latino immigrants, house ,feed them for a week and pay them min. wage, but they would work and hardly take a break. Some could speak enough English to get by,But where he lived he could not find workers to do the job, sure maybe all the Latino workers he got were illegals, but who cares, the job was completed in two weeks.

Someone does care, the US law!!!!!!

There are many legit landscaping outfits all over the USA.  Don't tell me he could not find in Upstate?  How does everyone get theirs done?  I'm sure they don't all come to the Bronx.  I often drive thru upstate NY on way to Canada and you see lots of landscaping trucks around.

Yes, he got illegals and paid them pittance, worked them like dogs, then they disappear back to the illegal miserable lives after.  I understand why you support illegal immigration.

I don't hire illegals.   I renovated two houses in NJ, all with legal Guyanese Black workers.  They worked 12-14 hours a day, got the job done and was paid a decent wage.  The company doing all landscape is an all white team from a legitimate LLC.

These Black Guyanese workers  that worked 12to14 hours per day , that's illegal, how do you know that they were legal, did you see their documents??? Working people 14 hours per day is exploitation . 

 This is no little property, 4,800 sq. ft. house on 3 acres lot to be landscaped. By the way he is a Trump supporter and he works for Trump organisation , so he learnt from the best. Isn't America the Mother of capitalism, getting to the top by stepping on the Small guys, you should know.

cain posted:
Ray posted:

dude...you think native born Americans could work like some of these Spanish people?

these people don't even have training, but they can work like ass

I like how dem latino gurls can wuk up their asses, banna

First hand experience or just looking, Cain. 

Django posted:
kp posted:

 This is no little property, 4,800 sq. ft. house on 3 acres lot to be landscaped.

Wanna bet if Django said such,missiles will be flying towards him.

He is my young brother and has done very good for himself, unlike him I am no Trump supporter, well he has to because he works for him.

 Oh, it is a Gated community of about 20 houses,a couple are on 5 acres and many on 1 acre,. Mainly rich professionals.

kp posted:
Baseman posted:
kp posted:

I have a brother that lives in Up State NY, I remember several years back he needed workers to do his landscaping, he would drive to the Bronx and bring a van load  of Latino immigrants, house ,feed them for a week and pay them min. wage, but they would work and hardly take a break. Some could speak enough English to get by,But where he lived he could not find workers to do the job, sure maybe all the Latino workers he got were illegals, but who cares, the job was completed in two weeks.

Someone does care, the US law!!!!!!

There are many legit landscaping outfits all over the USA.  Don't tell me he could not find in Upstate?  How does everyone get theirs done?  I'm sure they don't all come to the Bronx.  I often drive thru upstate NY on way to Canada and you see lots of landscaping trucks around.

Yes, he got illegals and paid them pittance, worked them like dogs, then they disappear back to the illegal miserable lives after.  I understand why you support illegal immigration.

I don't hire illegals.   I renovated two houses in NJ, all with legal Guyanese Black workers.  They worked 12-14 hours a day, got the job done and was paid a decent wage.  The company doing all landscape is an all white team from a legitimate LLC.

These Black Guyanese workers  that worked 12to14 hours per day , that's illegal, how do you know that they were legal, did you see their documents??? Working people 14 hours per day is exploitation . 

 This is no little property, 4,800 sq. ft. house on 3 acres lot to be landscaped. By the way he is a Trump supporter and he works for Trump organisation , so he learnt from the best. Isn't America the Mother of capitalism, getting to the top by stepping on the Small guys, you should know.

I don't even know where to start with this...it's so flawed.  Anyway, I'll take it in pieces:

Many people work double shift (16 Hrs).  Where did you get the idea that working such hours is illegal?  These guys were working on a project for a quoted fixed cost, so the faster they got it done, they made their money and could move to another project!  They made more money!

I know they are legal because, apart from knowing some of them, they own homes, have kids in school and all drive their own cars, I insisted the contractor had them all on Workmans Comp.  I insisted on this as did not want any liability for injuries. All were covered with basic and two were covered for climbing a 30 feet ladder.  This was part of the cost passed onto me through the Contractor bill.

It matters not the size of the property, 3, 30, 300...matters not.  An illegal worker is an illegal worker and it's against the law of the land!

Your definition of Capitalism seems very "Accra Bayish", 19 century Leninist or 20th Century Jaganist!  I believe you live in a Capitalist society too, Canada.   And no, Capitalism is not stepping on the weak and helpless (as illegals are).  Capitalism is constructively engaging workers in an enterprise where they contribute more than they take, as such profits are made which accrues to the enterprise "Capital" and grow the business, thus the term "Capitalism."

In todays world, you step on people, they move on and you lose talent. Illegals have no choice.  That's the type of Capitalism you just described!

kp posted:
Django posted:
kp posted:

 This is no little property, 4,800 sq. ft. house on 3 acres lot to be landscaped.

Wanna bet if Django said such,missiles will be flying towards him.

He is my young brother and has done very good for himself, unlike him I am no Trump supporter, well he has to because he works for him.

 Oh, it is a Gated community of about 20 houses,a couple are on 5 acres and many on 1 acre,. Mainly rich professionals.

Very good for him, you should be proud.  But employing Illegals...risky!

So he works in Trump's enterprise?

Baseman posted:

The Liberal Left, Communists, Soros Gang and street gangs handing out money to encourage participation in the army of invaders in Central America.

So why would those who support the Dems endorse this?  This caravan plays into Trump's screams that the USA is under invasion by brown aliens and that whites will seen to eradicated.

If anything this is a Koch brothers scam to provide Trump with images for FAUX TV of desperate people trying to break through the gate.  Yes speaking Spanish and waving their Honduran flags.

Baseman posted:
Ray posted:

dude...you think native born Americans could work like some of these Spanish people?

these people don't even have training, but they can work like ass

No issue with legal immigration.  Illegal immigrants are the most exploited group in the USA.

I wonder why all of those who praise the virtues of undocumented migrants dont sponsor them.  I think that they know that many of these workers will flee the miserable jobs with the miserable pay that they must take when they have no choice.

kp posted:

,But where he lived he could not find workers to do the job, sure maybe all the Latino workers he got were illegals, but who cares, the job was completed in two weeks.

I bet that the US born kids of these people dont want to do landscaping jobs at minimum wage.  No wonder some insist on a cohort of people who they can easily exploit.

kp posted:
 

These Black Guyanese workers  that worked 12to14 hours per day , that's illegal, how do you know that they were legal, did you see their documents??? Working people 14 hours per day is exploitation . 

 This is no little property, 4,800 sq. ft. house on 3 acres lot to be landscaped. By the way he is a Trump supporter and he works for Trump organisation , so he learnt from the best. Isn't America the Mother of capitalism, getting to the top by stepping on the Small guys, you should know.

Working them extra hours isnt illegal if they consent and if they are paid overtime for work beyond 8 hours.

If the government of Guatemala is unable or unwilling to suppress the gangs and provide safety for it citizens, who then swarm the USA for refuge, then they are no longer legitimate.  The USA is well within its rights to send in the marines, replace the rulers, stiffen the local military, crush the gangs and re-establish law and order.

Clinton did this in Haiti and India did this to create Bangladesh.  Trump needs to take a leaf from Obama’s book as in Libya!  Hilarious would have already kicked some Latino asses down there.

Trump is too lenient with this lawlessness!  He has to take the gloves off and stop being pushed around!

Clinton did to India and Obama did to Libya, where did you find these fake info, from Trump's play book. I taught you are knowledgeable to know the facts. Today Trump is saying the caravan has Middle Eastern people, it's all Dog Whistle to his Base, " just a pun" how fitting Baseman.

Baseman posted:

Trump is too lenient with this lawlessness!  He has to take the gloves off and stop being pushed around!

Heheheheeee....big  brave Captain Donald Shin splints or whatever the rass he supposedly "faked" to stay out the armed forces.

kp posted:

Clinton did to India and Obama did to Libya, where did you find these fake info, from Trump's play book. I taught you are knowledgeable to know the facts. Today Trump is saying the caravan has Middle Eastern people, it's all Dog Whistle to his Base, " just a pun" how fitting Baseman.

Oh, I never referred to Mid-Easterners!  Please re-read.  I was commenting on nations where law and order breakdown and you have a refugee crisis.  Then the US is well within its rights to protect its border and this means re-establish the rule of law in the failing nation.  The US did it with Haiti and India did it with Bangladesh!

Trump needs to bring forward that option!

Baseman posted:
kp posted:

Clinton did to India and Obama did to Libya, where did you find these fake info, from Trump's play book. I taught you are knowledgeable to know the facts. Today Trump is saying the caravan has Middle Eastern people, it's all Dog Whistle to his Base, " just a pun" how fitting Baseman.

Oh, I never referred to Mid-Easterners!  Please re-read.  I was commenting on nations where law and order breakdown and you have a refugee crisis.  Then the US is well within its rights to protect its border and this means re-establish the rule of law in the failing nation.  The US did it with Haiti and India did it with Bangladesh!

Trump needs to bring forward that option!

I did not say you, but Trump said so today. It's a lie.

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