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there is a special carve-out in the Guyana Constitution - Article 106 - dealing with the 'overthrow' of a legally elected Government by NCV for a reason

it is grave business

i again offer the USA comparison which, while inexact, provides a kind of clarity the scampish, hurry-up-before-they-ketch-on, GT media assets of Jagdeo husslin to avoid at ALL COSTS:

- what if Charandaas Persaud was a (Canadian) dual-citizen US Senator illegally occupying that seat who cast the deciding vote to impeach a hypothetical sitting US president?

then promptly requests Canadian Consular assistance as he rushes to the airport, leaves the country using his Canadian passport, and hunkers down in Toronto telling all who would listen "so what if i was bribed?"

how do y'all think the Supreme Court would rule?

how do y'all think the court of public opinion would rule?

how would a free, independent media treat this? -

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Jagdeo calls for independent probe into former MP bribery allegations

 

Amidst allegations of bribery following former Alliance For Change (AFC) Member of Parliament Charrandas Persaud’s vote in favour of the no-confidence resolution, Opposition Leader Bharrat Jagdeo on Thursday said that his Party has not paid any money, and as such, called for an independent investigation to be conducted.
This follows the disclosure the Public Security Minister, who is also the AFC’s Chairman, Khemraj Ramjattan, admitted that he instructed the Guyana Police Force to launch an investigation after he received certain information about the former Parliamentarian.

Ex-APNU-AFC PM Charrandas Persaud

The December 21, 2018 vote led to effective toppling of Government since the Cabinet is meant to resign and the President has to call elections in 90 days unless two-thirds of the National Assembly agrees otherwise.
When asked about an ongoing investigation, Jagdeo told reporters he would only consider it if it comes from an independent probe, preferably done by an international body or expert.
β€œI would call for an impartial investigation. The allegation has been made by the Government [but] don’t have Ramjattan being the sole source of the information, and it (is) being done by people who are his subordinates…I will deal with the results of an impartial investigation upon its merit.”
On this note, the Opposition Leader reiterated that his party did not pay money to sway anyone to vote in favour of the No-Confidence Resolution that toppled the Coalition administration. β€œThe People’s Progressive Party (PPP) or Jagdeo and any Member for Parliament on our side did not bribe Charrandas to vote that way. That is clear as daylight. There was absolutely no bribery,” Jagdeo reiterated.
Last week, Police Commissioner Leslie James told reporters that a probe against the expelled MP, who fled Canada, is ongoing, and would only say that it was a matter of national security.
According to the Public Security Minister on Wednesday, James is expected to pronounce on the probe sometime next week.
Further, he noted that the preliminary assessments done by the AFC had shown that the former MP did not vote on his conscience, as was claimed.
β€œThe assessment, which also forms part of the Police investigations, is indicating that it could not have been a conscience vote…even the day when we [debated] the no-confidence [motion]; after we adjourned to have meals, he [Persaud] came to me and said, β€˜Khemraj you did a wonderful speech, you proper knock them down heavy, but it’s definitely blinded us’,” the minister had pointed out.
Persaud’s vote, which gave the Opposition a 33 majority against Government, is at the centre of multiple litigations at the High Court, which will be ruled upon by month-end by acting Chief Justice Roxanne George, SC.
Meanwhile, the findings of the Police investigations are expected to be revealed today when Top Cop Leslie James hosts a press conference at his office.

FM
ronan posted:

there is a special carve-out in the Guyana Constitution - Article 106 - dealing with the 'overthrow' of a legally elected Government by NCV for a reason

it is grave business

i again offer the USA comparison which, while inexact, provides a kind of clarity the scampish, hurry-up-before-they-ketch-on, GT media assets of Jagdeo husslin to avoid at ALL COSTS:

- what if Charandaas Persaud was a (Canadian) dual-citizen US Senator illegally occupying that seat who cast the deciding vote to impeach a hypothetical sitting US president?

then promptly requests Canadian Consular assistance as he rushes to the airport, leaves the country using his Canadian passport, and hunkers down in Toronto telling all who would listen "so what if i was bribed?"

how do y'all think the Supreme Court would rule?

how do y'all think the court of public opinion would rule?

how would a free, independent media treat this? -

 

 

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A 23-year-old woman was Wednesday committed to stand trial at the High Court for stabbing her husband to death in 2017.

Lisa Keisha Halley, of Lot 55 David Street, Kitty was committed by Magistrate Leron Daly for the indictable manslaughter charge which alleged that on July 29, 2017, at Lot 30 Queen Street, Kitty, she unlawfully killed Dailson Halley.

She was released on $250,000 bail pending her hearing at the High Court.

According to reports, the couple shared a relationship and have two kids together during which Halley allegedly suffered abuse at the hands of her husband.

 

It is alleged that on the day in question, the two had an argument when the man armed him himself with a knife and threatened to kill her.

Halley reportedly retaliated, disarmed her husband and stabbed him.

The injured man was taken to the Georgetown Public Hospital Corporation (GPHC) where he succumbed to his injuries.

FM
 

 

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A 34-year-old woman was on Wednesday remanded to prison for allegedly trafficking four Venezuelan women for the purpose of sexual exploitation at the Diamond Hotel and Bar in Georgetown.

Fiona Hopkinson appeared before Magistrate Leron Daly and pleaded not guilty to the charge.

According to the Police, between September 1, 2018, and October 31, 2018, at Club Diamond, Hopkinson harboured and transported the four women for sexual exploitation.

Hopkinson was further charged for unlawfully withholding one of the women’s identification card.

Hopkinson was unrepresented and was remanded to prison until February 6, 2019.

 

Police Prosecutor Sanj Singh opposed bail on the grounds that Hopkinson is currently before the same court for trafficking five Venezuelan women at the said hotel.

According to reports, the women were nabbed by Police during a roadblock on November 3, 2018 and were taken to the Criminal Investigation Department after they failed to produce their identification cards.

While in Police custody, the women claimed that during the months of August 2018 and October 2018, they were desperately in need of work and Hopkinson took them to work as prostitutes at Club Diamond.

It is alleged that Hopkinson took away their ID cards and told them that the documents would be returned when a debt of US$600 is repaid for travel expenses.

FM
ronan posted:

there is a special carve-out in the Guyana Constitution - Article 106 - dealing with the 'overthrow' of a legally elected Government by NCV for a reason

it is grave business

i again offer the USA comparison which, while inexact, provides a kind of clarity the scampish, hurry-up-before-they-ketch-on, GT media assets of Jagdeo husslin to avoid at ALL COSTS:

- what if Charandaas Persaud was a (Canadian) dual-citizen US Senator illegally occupying that seat who cast the deciding vote to impeach a hypothetical sitting US president?

then promptly requests Canadian Consular assistance as he rushes to the airport, leaves the country using his Canadian passport, and hunkers down in Toronto telling all who would listen "so what if i was bribed?"

how do y'all think the Supreme Court would rule?

how do y'all think the court of public opinion would rule?

how would a free, independent media treat this? -

 

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FM

Today is the deadline for all sides in the trials before Chief Justice (acting) Roxane George to present their arguments. Hopefully we will get more information on the LEGAL submissions as so far it has only been political posturing. Hopefully we will get the information that Norton told the media the PNC had regarding bribery to Charrandas. Based on the posturing of the AFC members regarding their other dual citizenship MPs, it seems that they are only arguing that Charrandas' votes is invalid because of his treacherous actions via taking a bribe to vote against his party. This will place that accusation of bribery front and center in this case and Norton and the others who have information will have to present them. The light is about to be switched on.

FM
Dave posted:
Django posted:

@Former Member

Quite an impressive rebuttals on this thread.

How many times yo gotta daal. 

APNU - AFC is DEAD MEAT - ayo get use to it 

we the Guyanese citizen  will nail the final nail in a few months.. brace yo self for the explosive news in a few days 

Sorry bhai, you may got another rude awakening like 2015, don't forget it's only 3+ yrs since the last  R+G Elections.

Django
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Django posted:
Dave posted:
Django posted:

@Former Member

Quite an impressive rebuttals on this thread.

How many times yo gotta daal. 

APNU - AFC is DEAD MEAT - ayo get use to it 

we the Guyanese citizen  will nail the final nail in a few months.. brace yo self for the explosive news in a few days 

Sorry bhai, you may got another rude awakening like 2015.

Those words sound familiar from u 

- Local Government Election.

- No confidence Motion. 

 

FM
Dave posted:
Django posted:
Dave posted:
Django posted:

@Former Member

Quite an impressive rebuttals on this thread.

How many times yo gotta daal. 

APNU - AFC is DEAD MEAT - ayo get use to it 

we the Guyanese citizen  will nail the final nail in a few months.. brace yo self for the explosive news in a few days 

Sorry bhai, you may got another rude awakening like 2015.

Those words sound familiar from u 

- Local Government Election.

- No confidence Motion. 

 

The last LGE  and few other frivolous claims isn't the will of the Nation for the recent NCM tabled by BJ.

Django
ronan posted:

there is a special carve-out in the Guyana Constitution - Article 106 - dealing with the 'overthrow' of a legally elected Government by NCV for a reason

it is grave business

i again offer the USA comparison which, while inexact, provides a kind of clarity the scampish, hurry-up-before-they-ketch-on, GT media assets of Jagdeo husslin to avoid at ALL COSTS:

- what if Charandaas Persaud was a (Canadian) dual-citizen US Senator illegally occupying that seat who cast the deciding vote to impeach a hypothetical sitting US president?

then promptly requests Canadian Consular assistance as he rushes to the airport, leaves the country using his Canadian passport, and hunkers down in Toronto telling all who would listen "so what if i was bribed?"

how do y'all think the Supreme Court would rule?

how do y'all think the court of public opinion would rule?

how would a free, independent media treat this? -

How the hell did the government get into office with the vote of that same illegal member? 

Billy Ram Balgobin
Django posted:
Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

How the hell did the government get into office with the vote of that same illegal member? 

So Charrandass vote get the Coalition Gov't in office ? think and rephrase your post. Noticeably some one like your erroneous post.

His vote was valid when passing budgets and legislations.  Why suddenly his vote is invalid?

Billy Ram Balgobin
Billy Ram Balgobin posted:
Django posted:
Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

How the hell did the government get into office with the vote of that same illegal member? 

So Charrandass vote get the Coalition Gov't in office ? think and rephrase your post. Noticeably some one like your erroneous post.

His vote was valid when passing budgets and legislations.  Why suddenly his vote is invalid?

The Judge will decide. There are some grey areas with his NCV.

Django
Django posted:
Billy Ram Balgobin posted:
Django posted:
Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

How the hell did the government get into office with the vote of that same illegal member? 

So Charrandass vote get the Coalition Gov't in office ? think and rephrase your post. Noticeably some one like your erroneous post.

His vote was valid when passing budgets and legislations.  Why suddenly his vote is invalid?

The Judge will decide. There are some grey areas with his NCV.

You can’t have it both ways. 

you claimed the judge will decide then follow up with β€œ some grey areas with the NCM” 

WTF. 

FM

What a waste of space by an uneducated jackass, writing such a post that does not make sense. 

Charrandas was ELECTED by the people{regrettably} and he is their representative in parliament. Ministers of the government are selected by the President. So what actions Charrandas took, that's on behalf of the people he represents. A simple example in the UK, many of May's party supporters voted against her that made the Brexit vote failed, she passed the no confidence vote but eventually she may have to resign. 

 Let's get to the main issue, the fight is not to lose power at all cost, because the g lottery pay off is coming, OIL Revenue in one year time.

Politics is a game of chest, who can topple the king, and capture the pawns.Jagdeo played well and won for the PPP, now the PNC wants a replay, too late, game over!!!

K
kp posted:
Dave posted:

@ Django.

Do you agree all of Charandass  vote prior to the NCV are valid in the National Assembly. 

Please provide a honest straight forward answer. 

Yes or No. to my question.

That's a hard one, wait for awhile, answers are being emailed from Guyana. You don't want the man to implicate himself, then he will be fired.

Always making up stories, fired from what ??

Django
Dave posted:
Django posted:
Billy Ram Balgobin posted:
Django posted:
Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

How the hell did the government get into office with the vote of that same illegal member? 

So Charrandass vote get the Coalition Gov't in office ? think and rephrase your post. Noticeably some one like your erroneous post.

His vote was valid when passing budgets and legislations.  Why suddenly his vote is invalid?

The Judge will decide. There are some grey areas with his NCV.

You can’t have it both ways. 

you claimed the judge will decide then follow up with β€œ some grey areas with the [NCM”] NCV

WTF. 

Too hard for you !!!

Django
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ronan posted:

there is a special carve-out in the Guyana Constitution - Article 106 - dealing with the 'overthrow' of a legally elected Government by NCV for a reason

it is grave business

i again offer the USA comparison which, while inexact, provides a kind of clarity the scampish, hurry-up-before-they-ketch-on, GT media assets of Jagdeo husslin to avoid at ALL COSTS:

- what if Charandaas Persaud was a (Canadian) dual-citizen US Senator illegally occupying that seat who cast the deciding vote to impeach a hypothetical sitting US president?

then promptly requests Canadian Consular assistance as he rushes to the airport, leaves the country using his Canadian passport, and hunkers down in Toronto telling all who would listen "so what if i was bribed?"

how do y'all think the Supreme Court would rule?

how do y'all think the court of public opinion would rule?

how would a free, independent media treat this? -

- what if Charandaas Persaud was a (Canadian) dual-citizen US Senator illegally occupying that seat who cast the deciding vote to impeach a hypothetical sitting US president?

There are several Congressmen (even Obama and Trump) who claim dual citizenship. The US Constitution does not address this issue. The Guyana Constitution does. I am sure dual citizens would have voted for impeachment in the past, but this has not been a factor. Those Parliamentarians in Guyana must have known or should have known, and had an obligation to know what the Constitution says about this issue. The fact that they choose to ignore it is no excuse. Its not OK to claim precedent that dates back to Janel Jagan.

Comparison with the US is not a good one…maybe a parliamentary democracy, rather than a presidential democracy like the US, might be better looked at for lessons learned.  

then promptly requests Canadian Consular assistance as he rushes to the airport, leaves the country using his Canadian passport, and hunkers down in Toronto telling all who would listen "so what if i was bribed?"

If Charandass was doing this in the US, he would have no need to hurriedly leave the country. The man was threaten in broad daylight, could not even trust the Home Minister…and lets not pretend, you know very well that the man’s life would have been in danger and he would have been subjected to the worst type of society. Guyana’s political culture, either welcomes or sanctions political violence…Rodney, the Buxton killings, Sash Sawh…the list goes on.

how do y'all think the Supreme Court would rule?

how do y'all think the court of public opinion would rule?

None of the GNIers have a crystal ball. In my opinion, if its not in the US Constitution, then the US Supreme Court might sanction the impeachment without consideration that the American Charandas is also a US citizen.  The sanction on the individual would be a political, rather than legal, because members of his constituency may not re-elect him to office.

 

 

V
Django posted:
Billy Ram Balgobin posted:
Django posted:
Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

How the hell did the government get into office with the vote of that same illegal member? 

So Charrandass vote get the Coalition Gov't in office ? think and rephrase your post. Noticeably some one like your erroneous post.

His vote was valid when passing budgets and legislations.  Why suddenly his vote is invalid?

The Judge will decide. There are some grey areas with his NCV.

Djangy bhai, How come when you are cornered about facts and legal decisions, you resort to: let the courts decide and the judge will decide that? Isn't this a cop-out or dodging the issue?

FM
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skeldon_man posted:
Django posted:
Billy Ram Balgobin posted:
Django posted:
Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

How the hell did the government get into office with the vote of that same illegal member? 

So Charrandass vote get the Coalition Gov't in office ? think and rephrase your post. Noticeably some one like your erroneous post.

His vote was valid when passing budgets and legislations.  Why suddenly his vote is invalid?

The Judge will decide. There are some grey areas with his NCV.

Djangy bhai, How come when you are cornered about facts and legal decisions, you resort to: let the courts decide and the judge will decide that? Isn't this a cop-out or dodging the issue?

Where am copping out bhai, made a post on another thread concerning dual citizenship sitting as MP,s  and when the amendment was made.

It's unconstitutional the members who hold dual citizenship lied on their declaration forms submitted to GECOM.Some of the members from both political parties are culprits. Lying are common grounds for debarment.

Django
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Django posted:
skeldon_man posted:
Django posted:
Billy Ram Balgobin posted:
Django posted:
Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

How the hell did the government get into office with the vote of that same illegal member? 

So Charrandass vote get the Coalition Gov't in office ? think and rephrase your post. Noticeably some one like your erroneous post.

His vote was valid when passing budgets and legislations.  Why suddenly his vote is invalid?

The Judge will decide. There are some grey areas with his NCV.

Djangy bhai, How come when you are cornered about facts and legal decisions, you resort to: let the courts decide and the judge will decide that? Isn't this a cop-out or dodging the issue?

Where am copping out bhai, made a post on another thread concerning dual citizenship sitting as MP,s  and when the amendment was made.

It's unconstitutional the members who hold dual citizenship lied on their declaration forms submitted to GECOM.Some of the members from both political parties are culprits.

With all due respect, does this hold true before the NCV? If it doesn't, please explain why? If it does, does this mean all APNU members must resign their seats immediately and every bill they voted for will be null and void? Does this mean the PNC/AFC government is minority government and should vacate office immediately?

FM

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