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That's the approximate number of Guyanese who currently reside in Guyana as of 2020.

Of that amount, approximately 210,824 or 26% of the population are between the ages of 0-14.

And those aged 0-19 make up 295,827 of Guyana's populace, or approximately 37% of your population.

210,824 subtracted from 786,552 gets you 575,728.

295,827 subtracted from 786,552 gets you 490,725

But for argument sake, lets go with the higher of the two figures which comprise of teenagers (15-17) not eligible to vote. In Guyana, you are eligible to vote from the age of 18.

Even if you were to remove those 15-17 teenagers from that tally, you would have to rationalize that every single person who is eligible to vote actually came out to vote. 

And YET, ladies and gentlemen, we are led to believe that the number of registered voters listed in the initial count and recount stood at 661,378.

661,378. 

That would mean 84% of your entire population voted, when 26% of your populace are between 0-14. (+110%)

That would mean 84% of your entire population voted, when 37% of your populace are between 0-19. (+121%)

That would mean every single person who is of the age to vote, came out to vote.

Do you see what I am seeing?? The numbers simply do NOT add up!

Here are my sources for the demographics:

Demographics of Guyana

2020 Demographics Guyana

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@Rochelle posted:

That's the approximate number of Guyanese who currently reside in Guyana as of 2020.

Of that amount, approximately 210,824 or 26% of the population are between the ages of 0-14.

And those aged 0-19 make up 295,827 of Guyana's populace, or approximately 37% of your population.

210,824 subtracted from 786,552 gets you 575,728.

295,827 subtracted from 786,552 gets you 490,725

But for argument sake, lets go with the higher of the two figures which comprise of teenagers (15-17) not eligible to vote. In Guyana, you are eligible to vote from the age of 18.

Even if you were to remove those 15-17 teenagers from that tally, you would have to rationalize that every single person who is eligible to vote actually came out to vote. 

And YET, ladies and gentlemen, we are led to believe that the number of registered voters listed in the initial count and recount stood at 661,378.

661,378. 

That would mean 84% of your entire population voted, when 26% of your populace are between 0-14. (+110%)

That would mean 84% of your entire population voted, when 37% of your populace are between 0-19. (+121%)

That would mean every single person who is of the age to vote, came out to vote.

Do you see what I am seeing?? The numbers simply do NOT add up!

Here are my sources for the demographics:

Demographics of Guyana

2020 Demographics Guyana

Your analysis is flawed. Your percentages were taken from the 2015 Demographics of Guyana, and they were estimates. Also, the OLE contains names of voters who reside abroad who can vote if they are present in Guyana on Election Day. The last census was completed in 2012. All statistics after 2012 are estimates.

Try again.

Long Live Democracy.

@BGMAN posted:

Your analysis is flawed. Your percentages were taken from the 2015 Demographics of Guyana, and they were estimates. Also, the OLE contains names of voters who reside abroad who can vote if they are present in Guyana on Election Day. The last census was completed in 2012. All statistics after 2012 are estimates.

Try again.

Long Live Democracy.

The 2015 figures I used as reference does not differentiate much from the 2020 figures of the number of Guyanese (741,962 to 786,552) growth within 5 years, as determined by the UN.

Yes, let's reference the census figures, shall we:

1970 - 701,718

1980 - 759,567

1991 - 723,673

2002 - 751, 223

2012 - 746,955

In the past 50 years, the highest average increase of persons residing in Guyana within a 10-year span was roughly 57,800.

Even if we were to take that figure, and add it to the 2012 census figures, you would have approximately 804,750 persons TOTAL as of 2022. 

And even if we were to take that 804k to suggest 661,378 Guyanese voted in these elections, or approximately 82% of your population, including those abroad who would have had to have a local address to obtain an ID card, you would be gravely mistaken. 

2015 Election Total Registered Voters = 585,727 (compared to 415,970 total cast and counted votes)

2011 Election Total Registered Voters = 475,496 (compared to 346,717 total cast and counted votes)

2006 Election Total Registered Voters =492,369 (compared to 341,426 total cast and counted votes)

2001 Election Total Registered Voters = 440,185 (compared to 403,734 total cast and counted votes)

Guyanese abroad were also voting in the above elections. If we were to use the census figures of 2002 and 2012 to compare it against the number of registered voters in the 2001 and 2011 elections, on average 58% and 63% of Guyanese voted, respectively. This is far more believable than 80+% of  Guyanese who were apparently eligible to vote in the 2020 elections.

 

@Rochelle: No amount of fraud computations will justify the observations of CARICOM, OAS, AND ABCDE. FLAPNU lost the election and have people like you spreading propaganda about PPP fraud. You have to have been living on Mars to think that PPP could have committed rigging. Please note of the video put out yesterday of Lolofeel explaining how the voting and verification process works and why it is impossible to penetrate the firewall and commit fraud. The lies you guys peddle is delusional.

@Rochelle

Let me repeat what I said before. Every statistic after the 2012 Census are only estimates. People migrate permanently, study abroad and work temporarily abroad. In order to do any meaningful statistical modelling, you have to minimize the use of assumptions and estimates. Also, for most of the Guyanese living abroad whose names are on the voters list, their names will remain on the voters list because when they die abroad, GECOM is not notified of their death.

As Lowenefield himself stated in 2015, it is highly impossible for anyone to impersonate another person and vote.

Long Live Democracy.

@BGMAN posted:

@Rochelle

Let me repeat what I said before. Every statistic after the 2012 Census are only estimates. People migrate permanently, study abroad and work temporarily abroad. In order to do any meaningful statistical modelling, you have to minimize the use of assumptions and estimates. Also, for most of the Guyanese living abroad whose names are on the voters list, their names will remain on the voters list because when they die abroad, GECOM is not notified of their death.

As Lowenefield himself stated in 2015, it is highly impossible for anyone to impersonate another person and vote.

Long Live Democracy.

If every statistic after the 2012 census are only estimates, than it stands to reason any election numbers to follow depend on the law of averages, the very averages Jagdeo and PPP/C fought hard to maintain instead of starting from a clean slate to conduct house-to-house registrations. 

I provided for you actual figures from both official census numbers and registered voters. Using the same "law of averages" there is NO WAY you or others can prove that over 80% of Guyanese were eligible to vote in the 2020 elections, when, on average, close to half the Guyanese population of 19 years of age or younger. 

It stands to reason that Mr. Lowenfield's numbers are far more legitimate than figures PPP so depends upon on the basis of a bloated list of 661k eligible voters. 

If this is indeed a fight for transparence and democracy, care to explain why PPP/C was abhorrently against conducting house-to-house registrations? 

That's not how the people voted.  Over 50% voted for the PPP.  This lawyer cannot see past her nose.   every week, Lowenfiels and Mingo changed the tally. Your math is poor.  You and the PNC cannot run a cake shop how can you run a country.   Look at the 28 years of Burham/Hoyte rule and take another look at Granger's rule during the last five years.  What did you see?  A broken infrastructure, manufacturing on the decline, Sugar was killed and bauxite production dropped.,The treasury is empty and the President tried to revived National Service which is a money losing cause.  What else do you see? BLM?  Look what they are doing in Trinidad.  Guyana is next.

@Rochelle posted:

 

It stands to reason that Mr. Lowenfield's numbers are far more legitimate than figures PPP so depends upon on the basis of a bloated list of 661k eligible voters. 

If this is indeed a fight for transparence and democracy, care to explain why PPP/C was abhorrently against conducting house-to-house registrations? 

For Lowenfield numbers to have any legitimacy at all he has to establish the source of his numbers. So far he has not done so. Everyone was witness to the numbers shown below so until they are challenged in an Election court via an elections petition, those are the official legitimate numbers.

Secondly, the H2H exercise was not objected to because it would have created a cleaner list. The PPP objected to it solely because they viewed it as yet another effort by the Coalition to further delay the elections as well as an effort to disenfranchise valid voters. After-all they, like Lowenfield clearly stated in 2015 believe that it is impossible for dead people as well as people not presently at the polling places to vote. The ink stain on voters' fingers alone last for about a week.

The current certified record shows that about 70% of eligible voters voted on March 2, 2020 and more of those voted for the PPP/C than the Coalition. That is the record. Everything else is as the Caricom Observers stated, "fishing expeditions".

Please note also that the certified tabulation below also states VALID VOTES so no need for further confusion there.

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@Rochelle

Please read my last post thoroughly. The OLE includes both Guyanese living in and outside of Guyana. All registered Guyanese are protected by the Constitution. 

Lowenfield’s fraudulent numbers cannot stand up in a court of law. He has no authority to remove or add any vote from the original count and the recount. Not even the Commission can do this.

The purpose for house to house registration was to disenfranchise a section of the population. President Hoyte tried that in 1990 and he failed. Guyana currently has a system of continuous registration with a claims and objections period. 

Long Live Democracy.

Lowenfield could have easily gone to court yesterday and prove that his numbers are legitimate but he hid from doing so. He must have learned that he was expected in court because it was posted in all the newspapers. In fact the demand for his presence in court yesterday was much stronger than the status of the application filed with the COA when he put down all his tools and claimed that he cannot do anything including presenting his report to the Chairwoman. It could easily be said that Lowenfield is a coward. 

@Former Member posted:

I posted the video of hundreds of Afro Guyanese at PPP rally wearing the party red shirt. Afro are flying PPP flags on their house. Jagdeo was walking about in GT and was surrounded by AFRO ... all these video and pictures I posted here. 

Here is we boss again ... who vex vex . 

These are the new swing voters in Guyana. PNC ran a purely race based campaign and forgot that Guyana now has a swing voters base. 

Good for democracy and an end to race based politics.

Stamp out racism now !!! Kudos PPP.

@Rochelle posted:

If every statistic after the 2012 census are only estimates, than it stands to reason any election numbers to follow depend on the law of averages, the very averages Jagdeo and PPP/C fought hard to maintain instead of starting from a clean slate to conduct house-to-house registrations.

Guyana laws specifically state that an election must be held within three months after the defeat of a government by a non-confidence vote.

It stands to reason that GECOM must have its records up-to-date to have an election within the specified time period.

It begs the question on what Steve Surujbally - 2002 to 2017 - and James Patterson - 2017 to 2019 - did to maintain the up-to-date records.

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