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FM
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You cannot fix the problems of any country without addressing the issues at the ground level of society.

Until the issues of distrust among the different groups of Guyanese is addressed there will never be real progress, or any kind of equitable distribution of wealth. You will always have a feeling victimhood and the desire to get even, no matter the cost.

 It does not help when the leaders of society also have a get even attitude. The PNC did not try to remove the suspicion, the PPP did not and now the perception of Indo Guyanese is that the current administration is out to get them.  

Guyana is doomed until they can find another Walter Rodney type leader – A young leader that transcends the racial divide and can relate to today’s generation. The decrepit caricatures currently leading or trying to form the next government are nothing but a joke and anyone who thinks they can change things for the better in Gy is delusional.

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baseman posted:

Oye Politkalamity, that banna been dead for 35 years.

BTW, I like your avatar, only him and Trump speak for the masses of working class.  I say Trump for Prezzy, Bernie VEEP!!

It is possible that Jessie Ventura will get into the race. He likes to take his time before deciding. 

Trump message is too negative, negative politics are now seen as the politics of bitter old white men. 

 

 

 

FM
politikalamity posted:
baseman posted:

Oye Politkalamity, that banna been dead for 35 years.

BTW, I like your avatar, only him and Trump speak for the masses of working class.  I say Trump for Prezzy, Bernie VEEP!!

It is possible that Jessie Ventura will get into the race. He likes to take his time before deciding. 

Trump message is too negative, negative politics are now seen as the politics of bitter old white men. 

 

 

 

Trump is playing the tune needed at each give point.  He is smarter than those ridiculing and judging him.  His so-called "ceiling" seem to be rising by the day, so is Bernie's.  I say, keep an open mind and keep strapped in!

FM
VVP posted:
Drugb posted:

Who did Walter Rodney unite again? Did he really transcend racial divide? When people dead we tend to make them legends from figments of our own imagination!

Yes he did.  Where were you living at the time?

Nonsense, no such thing occurred. Show the evidence.  I was in Guyana, he managed to get a few Indian and Blacks to follow him(75% black). This is no referendum on claiming that he was a uniter across races.  

FM
politikalamity posted:

You cannot fix the problems of any country without addressing the issues at the ground level of society.

Until the issues of distrust among the different groups of Guyanese is addressed there will never be real progress, or any kind of equitable distribution of wealth. You will always have a feeling victimhood and the desire to get even, no matter the cost.

 It does not help when the leaders of society also have a get even attitude. The PNC did not try to remove the suspicion, the PPP did not and now the perception of Indo Guyanese is that the current administration is out to get them.  

Guyana is doomed until they can find another Walter Rodney type leader – A young leader that transcends the racial divide and can relate to today’s generation. The decrepit caricatures currently leading or trying to form the next government are nothing but a joke and anyone who thinks they can change things for the better in Gy is delusional.

For decades I believe in the idea of a race tolerant Guyanese society. Now, I know that is not possible. The last election unleashed a whole lot of anti-Indo sentiments from the Afro society. One poster on here claims Afroes were intimidated by the PPP for 23 years. So now they are free to talk about all the racism of Indoes since coming to British Guiana.

Suh, we are lost forever. 

S
seignet posted:

For decades I believe in the idea of a race tolerant Guyanese society. Now, I know that is not possible. The last election unleashed a whole lot of anti-Indo sentiments from the Afro society. One poster on here claims Afroes were intimidated by the PPP for 23 years. So now they are free to talk about all the racism of Indoes since coming to British Guiana.

Suh, we are lost forever. 

Blacks have anti-Indian sentiments in their DNA!

FM
seignet posted:
politikalamity posted:

You cannot fix the problems of any country without addressing the issues at the ground level of society.

Until the issues of distrust among the different groups of Guyanese is addressed there will never be real progress, or any kind of equitable distribution of wealth. You will always have a feeling victimhood and the desire to get even, no matter the cost.

 It does not help when the leaders of society also have a get even attitude. The PNC did not try to remove the suspicion, the PPP did not and now the perception of Indo Guyanese is that the current administration is out to get them.  

Guyana is doomed until they can find another Walter Rodney type leader – A young leader that transcends the racial divide and can relate to today’s generation. The decrepit caricatures currently leading or trying to form the next government are nothing but a joke and anyone who thinks they can change things for the better in Gy is delusional.

For decades I believe in the idea of a race tolerant Guyanese society. Now, I know that is not possible. The last election unleashed a whole lot of anti-Indo sentiments from the Afro society. One poster on here claims Afroes were intimidated by the PPP for 23 years. So now they are free to talk about all the racism of Indoes since coming to British Guiana.

Suh, we are lost forever. 

SMFH

So is only black people who spoke against other races right? Banna for a supposedly God fearing person, you make my hands fall with the lying. Shows if there really is a fkin God he/she /it woulda struck your rass down long time now.

cain
Chameli posted:
politikalamity posted:
Drugb posted:

Who did Walter Rodney unite again? Did he really transcend racial divide? 

My brother who was 15 yrs older than I told me he united Indos and Afros, and he was part of that movement. He often spoke of Indos and Afros marching hand in hand in their struggle against the PNC government.

I attest to the info your brother gave you Politik....my parents and I were part of this with  the Rahamans of LeDestein

Now doubt about 25% of Rodney's followers were Indian, those who were conditioned to feel inferior to Afros by the Burham regime.  As long as Indos were relegated to being foot soldiers for Rodney's vision, they were welcome in his organization.  But the moment they got higher aspirations, they were shown the door. 

FM
Drugb posted:
Chameli posted:
politikalamity posted:
Drugb posted:

Who did Walter Rodney unite again? Did he really transcend racial divide? 

My brother who was 15 yrs older than I told me he united Indos and Afros, and he was part of that movement. He often spoke of Indos and Afros marching hand in hand in their struggle against the PNC government.

I attest to the info your brother gave you Politik....my parents and I were part of this with  the Rahamans of LeDestein

Now doubt about 25% of Rodney's followers were Indian, those who were conditioned to feel inferior to Afros by the Burham regime.  As long as Indos were relegated to being foot soldiers for Rodney's vision, they were welcome in his organization.  But the moment they got higher aspirations, they were shown the door. 

Joshua Ramsammy and Rupert Roopnarine were in leadership positions in the WPA. I don't remember them being shown the door.

Mars
Drugb posted:
Chameli posted:
politikalamity posted:
Drugb posted:

Who did Walter Rodney unite again? Did he really transcend racial divide? 

My brother who was 15 yrs older than I told me he united Indos and Afros, and he was part of that movement. He often spoke of Indos and Afros marching hand in hand in their struggle against the PNC government.

I attest to the info your brother gave you Politik....my parents and I were part of this with  the Rahamans of LeDestein

Now doubt about 25% of Rodney's followers were Indian, those who were conditioned to feel inferior to Afros by the Burham regime.  As long as Indos were relegated to being foot soldiers for Rodney's vision, they were welcome in his organization.  But the moment they got higher aspirations, they were shown the door. 

I always suspected druggie to be a PNC mole. There is absolutely no way anyone with PPP connections lie about something like this. This guy is making the PPP look like the fools they really are.

Then again, wasn't he the one who told us that he lived the high life during Burnham's reign doing certain runs, nicee druggie nice, you get ketch. I doan like traitors whether for my team or the opposing one, Iman doan trust dem.

Dem PPP guys here should crucify yo rass for setting them up.

Run Druggie,Run!

cain
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Mars posted:
Drugb posted:
Chameli posted:
politikalamity posted:
Drugb posted:

Who did Walter Rodney unite again? Did he really transcend racial divide? 

My brother who was 15 yrs older than I told me he united Indos and Afros, and he was part of that movement. He often spoke of Indos and Afros marching hand in hand in their struggle against the PNC government.

I attest to the info your brother gave you Politik....my parents and I were part of this with  the Rahamans of LeDestein

Now doubt about 25% of Rodney's followers were Indian, those who were conditioned to feel inferior to Afros by the Burham regime.  As long as Indos were relegated to being foot soldiers for Rodney's vision, they were welcome in his organization.  But the moment they got higher aspirations, they were shown the door. 

Joshua Ramsammy and Rupert Roopnarine were in leadership positions in the WPA. I don't remember them being shown the door.

Both gentlemen only attained leadership roles post Rodney and represented the minority of Indians. The point is that this idea that Rodney united the races is fiction.  Why else did the PNC and the PPP continue their majority? He may have united a few but that doesn't make him the great uniter. 

FM
Drugb posted:
Mars posted:
Drugb posted:
Chameli posted:
politikalamity posted:
Drugb posted:

Who did Walter Rodney unite again? Did he really transcend racial divide? 

My brother who was 15 yrs older than I told me he united Indos and Afros, and he was part of that movement. He often spoke of Indos and Afros marching hand in hand in their struggle against the PNC government.

I attest to the info your brother gave you Politik....my parents and I were part of this with  the Rahamans of LeDestein

Now doubt about 25% of Rodney's followers were Indian, those who were conditioned to feel inferior to Afros by the Burham regime.  As long as Indos were relegated to being foot soldiers for Rodney's vision, they were welcome in his organization.  But the moment they got higher aspirations, they were shown the door. 

Joshua Ramsammy and Rupert Roopnarine were in leadership positions in the WPA. I don't remember them being shown the door.

Both gentlemen only attained leadership roles post Rodney and represented the minority of Indians. The point is that this idea that Rodney united the races is fiction.  Why else did the PNC and the PPP continue their majority? He may have united a few but that doesn't make him the great uniter. 

Incorrect. Ramsammy and Roopnarine were in WPA leadership positions while Rodney was alive. 

Mars
politikalamity posted:

 

Guyana is doomed until they can find another Walter Rodney type leader – A young leader that transcends the racial divide

I can only query whether if the PPP had been an effective opposition, whether Rodney would have gotten the support from Indians that you think that he got.

There was no election, so there is no proof that Indians would have abandoned the PPP for the WPA, so the notion that Rodney brought unity is unproven.

FM
politikalamity posted:
Drugb posted:

Who did Walter Rodney unite again? Did he really transcend racial divide? 

My brother who was 15 yrs older than I told me he united Indos and Afros, and he was part of that movement. He often spoke of Indos and Afros marching hand in hand in their struggle against the PNC government.

There was no ground swell of racial unity. I was in my early 20s during this era. 

The people showing up to WPA meetings and getting beaten up by the House of Israel were mainly African.   The people who marched to protest the assassination of Rodney, and risked being shot down by Burnham's goons, were majority African. 

In fact it was the people of Buxton, and Linden, who led the way. Yes the SAME people who today are so maligned by so many Indians. 

Yes there were Indian intellectuals, like David Roopnarine, who were involved.  Yes, the same people who are now damned as neemakarams, and "dirty Indians".   These are the people who tried to work for unity, and it is clear that their efforts were rejected by other Indians.

Yes some Indians, seeing how impotent Cheddi was against Burnham, might have passively hoped that the WPA would do what the PPP couldn't, and that was to rid Guyana of the Burnham regime.

But to claim that Guyana in 1980 was this period of halcyon racial cooperation is pure nonsense.  The ease that the PPP sidelined so many blacks who fought against the Burnham regime, is evidence of that.  So yes the WPA is now with the PNC, and NOT with the PPP.

FM
Drugb posted:
Mars posted:
 

Joshua Ramsammy and Rupert Roopnarine were in leadership positions in the WPA. I don't remember them being shown the door.

Both gentlemen only attained leadership roles post Rodney and represented the minority of Indians. The point is that this idea that Rodney united the races is fiction.  Why else did the PNC and the PPP continue their majority? He may have united a few but that doesn't make him the great uniter. 

Rodney went out of his way to cooperate with these two Indians.  This because he wished to foster racial unity.

He realized that much of the support that the PNC received from blacks was their fear of Indian domination.  In order to entice them away from the PNC, he had to demonstrate that there was a solid group of Indians also willing to leave the PPP.  So he needed to unite with Indians who led strong grass roots

WPA was built around the charisma of Rodney. This is why Burnham set out to assassinate him. This is why I maintain that Cheddi was not upset when Rodney was killed.

Were there a free and fair election in 1980 the WPA would have won, with a majority African vote, and with a substantial minority of Indian voters.

Minus Rodney the remaining leadership were too intellectual in their approach, and in any case their socialist orientation had become archaic in the eyes of most Guyanese.

So in 1992 Guyanese went back to their racial bases.

I agree that there was no proof that Rodney truly united the races.  Were the PPP more effective, it would have been unlikely that he would have received any Indian support.  One can argue that Indians wanted to see two black factions, battle, allowing them to scoop up the spoils.

FM
caribny posted:

Rodney went out of his way to cooperate with these two Indians.  This because he wished to foster racial unity.

He realized that much of the support that the PNC received from blacks was their fear of Indian domination.  In order to entice them away from the PNC, he had to demonstrate that there was a solid group of Indians also willing to leave the PPP.  So he needed to unite with Indians who led strong grass roots

WPA was built around the charisma of Rodney. This is why Burnham set out to assassinate him. This is why I maintain that Cheddi was not upset when Rodney was killed.

Were there a free and fair election in 1980 the WPA would have won, with a majority African vote, and with a substantial minority of Indian voters.

Minus Rodney the remaining leadership were too intellectual in their approach, and in any case their socialist orientation had become archaic in the eyes of most Guyanese.

So in 1992 Guyanese went back to their racial bases.

I agree that there was no proof that Rodney truly united the races.  Were the PPP more effective, it would have been unlikely that he would have received any Indian support.  One can argue that Indians wanted to see two black factions, battle, allowing them to scoop up the spoils.

My understanding was that he attracted the more intellectual types to the WPA. Some of my friends in university at the time were attracted to his rhetoric, to the point of putting themselves in harms way to protest in GT. To argue that he would have won elections in 1980 is far-fetched as there was no groundswell of support for him to that effect. Afros were still strongly PNC and Indos PPP.   These folks are over glorifying him posthumously. 

FM

I was there; part of the action every day in body and spirit.  I could care less what you "ghost writers" claim you know.

Yes, most of the people who showed up during the protests were Africans.  However, Rodney did get major support from "stay at home" Indians including my die-hard PPPite parents because he was the only hope to oust Burnham during the dictatorship.

Rodney support was so strong that Dr. Jagan at Kitty Market square assured his (Jagan) supporters that if free and fair elections were held the PPP would win.  This I heard with my own ears. It shocked me to hear Dr. Jagan say this at a prime time during the struggle, but I guess he was just another politician.

FM
Drugb posted:
caribny posted:

. Afros were still strongly PNC and Indos PPP.   These folks are over glorifying him posthumously. 

Afros were NOT strongly tied to the PNC in 1980.  The WPA attracted the intellectuals of all races, including Indians, and the African grass roots. Some Indians wished the WPA well as they saw them as being more likely to rid Guyana of the Burnham curse than was the weak and gushing Cheddi. So there was some weak support, especially among the younger more urban Indians.

One can say that the WPA under Rodney galvanized all who were against Burnham, and skeptical of the PPPs ability to remove him.

The PPP was too enamored with Burnham's nationalization of Guyana's to fight him, plus his slave masters in Moscow and Havana told him to be a good boy, and not give Burnham trouble.

So did this mean racial unity?  No, because with the death of Rodney, the WPA ceased to be a force, and so as it weakened it lost its grass roots support base.

The WPA used to have HUGE meetings in G/town, despite the fact that attending these meetings meant that one risked being beaten up by House of Israel thugs, and civil servants and state corporation workers would have been harassed for being "WPA", and "anti government".

You have to rely on what others told you. I was in my early 20s at the time.

FM
VVP posted:

I was there; part of the action every day in body and spirit.  I could care less what you "ghost writers" claim you know.

Yes, most of the people who showed up during the protests were Africans.  However, Rodney did get major support from "stay at home" Indians including my die-hard PPPite parents because he was the only hope to oust Burnham during the dictatorship.

Rodney support was so strong that Dr. Jagan at Kitty Market square assured his (Jagan) supporters that if free and fair elections were held the PPP would win.  This I heard with my own ears. It shocked me to hear Dr. Jagan say this at a prime time during the struggle, but I guess he was just another politician.

This doesn't rise to national unity. Africans hated Burnham because the shortages and black market prices seriously hurt them, and in addition some were beginning to lose their jobs.

But they would rather a Burnham than a Jagan.

Indian support for Rodney was because they had lost faith in Jagan being able to contain Burnham's excesses.

Having lost the support of the African population, and realizing that he would never win Indian support Burnham became an evil megalomaniac who actually contemplated doing to Guyana what the Pol Pot regime did to Cambodia. 

Burnham by the late 70s had fallen to the same mental disease that men with absolute power succumb to. Same as Amin, Stalin, Hitler and Castro.

But take away the Burnham factor and Indians and Africans would have resumed their distrust, so I cannot agree that Walter Rodney brought unity.

The uniting factor was HATRED of Burnham!

FM
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caribny posted:
Drugb posted:
caribny posted:

. Afros were still strongly PNC and Indos PPP.   These folks are over glorifying him posthumously. 

Afros were NOT strongly tied to the PNC in 1980.  The WPA attracted the intellectuals of all races, including Indians, and the African grass roots. Some Indians wished the WPA well as they saw them as being more likely to rid Guyana of the Burnham curse than was the weak and gushing Cheddi. So there was some weak support, especially among the younger more urban Indians.

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Baseman was a young man running behind Dr WR along with many of my Indo friends.  Infact, some of my Afro friends stuck with the PNC and talked down to us but were more hostile to Black followers of Rodney.  I can tell you, all my Indian friends were 100% committed to Dr WR.  He had their vote in event of an election. For many of us, this was the new deal we all wanted!

FM
caribny posted

Afros were NOT strongly tied to the PNC in 1980.  The WPA attracted the intellectuals of all races, including Indians, and the African grass roots. Some Indians wished the WPA well as they saw them as being more likely to rid Guyana of the Burnham curse than was the weak and gushing Cheddi. So there was some weak support, especially among the younger more urban Indians.

One can say that the WPA under Rodney galvanized all who were against Burnham, and skeptical of the PPPs ability to remove him.

The PPP was too enamored with Burnham's nationalization of Guyana's to fight him, plus his slave masters in Moscow and Havana told him to be a good boy, and not give Burnham trouble.

So did this mean racial unity?  No, because with the death of Rodney, the WPA ceased to be a force, and so as it weakened it lost its grass roots support base.

The WPA used to have HUGE meetings in G/town, despite the fact that attending these meetings meant that one risked being beaten up by House of Israel thugs, and civil servants and state corporation workers would have been harassed for being "WPA", and "anti government".

You have to rely on what others told you. I was in my early 20s at the time.

Yes the Afros were slaves to the PNC.  The few that you knew may have been in support of Rodney but not the rank and file. You can't claim to speak for all Guyanese Blacks, especially since you are rejected by them as an outcast.  Without an elections with Rodney involved, no one can definitively say how much Black or Indian support he enjoyed. 

WPA and Rodney was a flash in the pan, don't make him out to be more influential than he really was based on urban legend rather than facts. 

FM
baseman posted:
.I can tell you, all my Indian friends were 100% committed to Dr WR.  He had their vote in event of an election. For many of us, this was the new deal we all wanted!

Given your clear hatred of blacks it is obvious that once Burnham was gone you all would have fled Rodney, heading back to the weak hen pecked man called Jagan.  The man was in awe of both Janet and Burnham.

FM
caribny posted:
baseman posted:
.I can tell you, all my Indian friends were 100% committed to Dr WR.  He had their vote in event of an election. For many of us, this was the new deal we all wanted!

Given your clear hatred of blacks it is obvious that once Burnham was gone you all would have fled Rodney, heading back to the weak hen pecked man called Jagan.  The man was in awe of both Janet and Burnham.

I told you before, baseman never was a Jaganite.  The only time I was old enough to vote before leaving Guyana, I voted Liberator!

FM
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Yes the Afros were slaves to the PNC.  The few that you knew may have been in support of Rodney but not the rank and file..

Thousands of BLACK people used to show up to WPA meetings.  Once the meetings ended they were beaten up. They were harassed on their jobs.  They were fired from their jobs.  Their homes were broken into.  Relatives of theirs were also harassed.

Despite all of this THOUSANDS showed up to those meetings!

Now look at you who were NOT around during that era arguing with some one who was!

Did you see the thousands who marched into and around G/town when Rodney was murdered. This to defy Burnham.  And the THOUSANDS who lined the streets cheering them on. 

Do you know that when the front of the march was turning down Main Street, the back part was still in Kitty!

 

This was followed by strikes in Linden, and then Burnham starved out that town in revenge.

When Burnham died there were hundreds of "Burnham dead" parties all over Brooklyn.  This to celebrate the fact that death had finally done what Rodney couldn't, and that was take Burnham away.

The only event that is reminiscent of this was on May 12 when APNU supporters found out that the PPP had lost.

I suggest that you cease babbling of what you know not. You were NOT around!

FM
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caribny posted:

Thousands of BLACK people used to show up to WPA meetings.  Once the meetings ended they were beaten up. They were harassed on their jobs.  They were fired from their jobs.  Their homes were broken into.  Relatives of theirs were also harassed.

Despite all of this THOUSANDS showed up to those meetings!

Now look at you who were NOT around during that era arguing with some one who was!

Did you see the thousands who marched into and around G/town when Rodney was murdered. This to defy Burnham.  And the THOUSANDS who lined the streets cheering them on.  This was followed by strikes in Linden, and then Burnham starved out that town in revenge.

When Burnham died there were hundreds of "Burnham dead" parties all over Brooklyn.  This to celebrate the fact that death had finally done what Rodney couldn't, and that was take Burnham away.

The only event that is reminiscent of this was on May 12 when APNU supporters found out that the PPP had lost.

I suggest that you cease babbling of what you know not. You were NOT around!

I was around, in fact I attended some of Rodney's rallies. There were no thousands, more like hundreds. I witnessed first hand as Burnham goons arrived by the bus loads to beat Rodney's supporters. But the fact remains that overall the Blacks were solidly behind LFS as he had more to offer. Rodney only offered beatings and rhetoric. 

FM
Drugb posted:
. But the fact remains that overall the Blacks were solidly behind LFS as he had more to offer. Rodney only offered beatings and rhetoric. 

So why were the polling stations empty on election day.  Surely they would be full if Burnham enjoyed support.

What did Burnham have to offer in 1980.  Listen we had to fly to Trinidad to get TOILET paper.  Most people had to crush up The Chronicle and dampen it with water, and that is when there was water available. The super markets had only rum and cigarettes, NO FOOD.

People went to work, not to do their jobs, but to hear which food outlet had supplies available, and then the entire office would empty as every one ran their.

Teachers were flying INTO Trinidad on Sunday night, so that they could buy stuff for sale at their schools on Tuesday.

So by 1980, in the hey day of the WPA, what did Burnham have to offer blacks, other than "white corner" and orange hair?

FM
baseman posted:

Listen bannas, that banna dead long time ago.  His faithful followers, likes of Clive Thomas, are now in the belly of the beast part-taking in the new era of oppression.

Which goes to show how bad the PPP was.

Imagine people who were almost killed by the PNC, folks like David Hinds, Bonita Harris, Andaiye, Roopnarain, now embedded with APNU.

It is rank PPP racism which is responsible for this!  Which is why I know that you would have NEVER supported a President Walter Rodney.

FM
caribny posted:
baseman posted:

Listen bannas, that banna dead long time ago.  His faithful followers, likes of Clive Thomas, are now in the belly of the beast part-taking in the new era of oppression.

Which goes to show how bad the PPP was.

Imagine people who were almost killed by the PNC, folks like David HindTes, Bonita Harris, Andaiye, Roopnarain, now embedded with APNU.

It is rank PPP racism which is responsible for this!  Which is why I know that you would have NEVER supported a President Walter Rodney.

tell me bro, is there anytime within the last 50 years that East Indians done anything worthy in Guyana?

why u hate us so? Priya said you hate us-you all just hate us. I beginning to believe her.

For all that bickering, don't u think partition would be a favorable solution?

S

Cain,

Doan let my comments cast doubts about the existence of God. He is very real. And very much alive. 

I would have been concerned on the comment about God. You claimed He does not exist. So u do not have the capacity to make a call 

Try to comprehend, we exchanging points of view. On this BB, there is only one train of thought. Caribj in EVERY post has alot to say about the racism of Indoes. We argue that we are not. This discussion has no solutions, but we go on with it for over 20 years. Exactly the same discussion.

It is a waste of time.

Puzzling, why I bother respond to him.  Because, I could do something for the country that nurtured me. I am astounded by the racism that Caribj claims exists. He has stated volumes of it. Whenever I am in the company of Afro-Guyanese I now wonder what they are thinking. I always thought Caribj is foolish. But yuh know, since Granger got to be President, I am told the same things Caribj been raving about for years. Black people do have a problem with East Indians. Caribj educated me about our difference. Guyana is a dead country once, we have Indians in it.  

S

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