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Suh how come dem win de election wid 33?
Govβt likely to move to court over confidence motion β sources
December 28 2018
Government has decided that if the Speaker of the National Assembly, Dr. Barton Scotland does not respond favourably to its concerns about the validity of Fridayβs passage of a no confidence motion against it, it will take the matter to court, well-placed sources said last evening.
Stabroek News was told that this was one of the decisions made by cabinet yesterday.
The cabinet met as scheduled to receive a report from the Special Legal Sub-Committee that was established on Monday to look at the legal implications of the vote, which was considered passed after government MP Charrandas Persaud voted `yesβ. His dissenting vote meant that the motion was carried, 33 to 32. However, it was subsequently argued that 34 votes is the majority given the numerical make-up of the National Assembly and that this is what is required for the successfully passage of the no confidence motion.
In a press release last evening, the Ministry of the Presidency said that the Chairman of the Sub-Committee, Attorney General Basil Williams SC, updated Cabinet on the matter and presented a number of recommendations. βCabinet discussed various options and took certain decisions on the way forwardβ, the release said.
While the release did not reveal the decisions made, Stabroek News was told last evening that the government has decided that it will formally write Scotland and is prepared to take the matter to court if needs be.
Sources indicated that while the legal team is still evaluating the process, the government believes that it has a strong case that can be tried successfully in a court of law.
One source explained that the option of going to court will be heavily dependent on how the Speaker responds to a letter from government. At the moment, Scotland is abroad but sources say that once he returns he will be furnished with the letter which will outline the governmentβs concerns.
βThat (a court action) depends on the decision of the Speaker or the actions of the Speakerβ¦Based on the response government (may) go to court,β one source stressed.
The DPI release said too that the Coalition Government assures its supporters and the public that it will pursue all βavailable options and act in the best interest of all Guyaneseβ. It added that Cabinet will provide subsequent updates as required.
Minister of State Joseph Harmon on Wednesday had indicated that the sub-committee was considering the argument advanced by attorney Nigel Hughes that 33 votes does not constitute a majority in the National Assembly.
Hughes, a prominent attorney is insisting that an absolute majority is half plus one. βHalf of the National Assembly is 33 members not 32,β he said in a Facebook post on Monday.
In another post, he contended βThere are sixty five members of the house. Mathematically one half of the house is 32.5 members. There is no such thing as a half member so half of the house is 33 members. This is because you have to round up to identify half of the house. For a no confidence motion to pass and be valid the motion has to enjoy more votes that one half of the full house i.e. 34 votes. The house voted 33:32. 33 is a rounding down of what constitutes half of the house. The motion consequently was not carried. But in classic Guyana style we have embarrassed ourselves again.β
Several in the legal fraternity have expressed agreement with his view and have hinted at the possibility of a constitutional application being filed to challenge the passage of the motion. However there are others who disagree strongly saying that if one was to take Hughesβ explanation seriously it would mean that the National Assembly will have 66 members and not 65.
Harmon had also stressed that it will be up to cabinet to decide when that information will be made public before reiterating that the committee will look at all the options and opinions on the subject matter. βThen we will draw our position as a view of all of them,β he had said.
The sub-committee comprises himself, Minister of Legal Affairs, Basil Williams, Minister of Public Security Khemraj Ramjattan, Minister of Natural Resources Raphael Trotman and Vice President Carl Greenidge.
Former Attorney General Anil Nandlall has expressed disagreement with Hughesβ view arguing that the word majority was not defined in the constitution and both the Prime Minister and the President have accepted the passage of the motion. He pointed out that this argument was accepted while he held the position of AG.
After citing dictionary definitions of the word, Nandlall, an opposition MP who voted last Friday, submitted that the practice has always been that thirty-three votes are sufficient to carry any motion or any bill put forward for passage in the National Assembly. It is for this reason that APNU and AFC, with their one seat majority of thirty-three, he said were able to cut the annual budgets in the tenth Parliament when the PPP/C had only thirty-two seats and it was by the same measure that they were able to vote down the legislative changes required for the AML/CFT laws, the Amaila Falls Project among others.
βMore importantly, if thirty-three (33), is not a majority in a sixty-five (65) members National Assembly then APNU+AFC could not have lawfully formed the Government after the 2015 Elections. Neither could they have passed any bills or any budgets in that National Assembly,β he said before adding that all he mentioned previously was only possible because by the parliamentary practice, that is that thirty-three was always considered a majority in the sixty-five member National Assembly.
Mitwah posted:Suh how come dem win de election wid 33?
Win by "Majority" and Thrown out by "Absolute Majority"
That's how some interpret the Constitution.
Voting in the National Assembly
Word forms: absolute majorities
countable noun
If a political party wins an absolute majority, they obtain more seats or votes than the total number of seats or votes gained by their opponents in an election.
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I have been saying since the signing of that Valentineβs Day love letter that the PNC of now is no different from the PNC of past. They are going to court now because it is the next natural step. At some point when all these legal steps run out, the mo fiah slo fiah will begin. Putting lipstick on a pig doesnβt remove the fact that it is still a pig.
Time is against them. Election is going to be March 11th or 18th.
These PNC thugs will eventually resort to violence and intimidation. They are wrong and strong.
It will be the last straw if they try and usurp power...I was hoping they would change their ways
Ray posted:It will be the last straw if they try and usurp power...I was hoping they would change their ways
When you think of granger from now on you will get the picture of forked tongue and cloven hooves.
Granger should hang it up and retire comfortably. He has a military and a presidential pension. The man could live comfortably in the twilight years of his life. It is unfortunate his coalition experiment failed.
skeldon_man posted:Granger should hang it up and retire comfortably. He has a military and a presidential pension. The man could live comfortably in the twilight years of his life. It is unfortunate his coalition experiment failed.
Good point, regarding the coalition with some major tweaking they can rebound.
PNCR/AFC are formidably proving that they do not know the constitution.
I think APNU/AFC have a good chance against the PPP if they put Moses as their presidential candidate. πΈπΈπΈππππ
Billy Ram Balgobin posted:I think APNU/AFC have a good chance against the PPP if they put Moses as their presidential candidate. πΈπΈπΈππππ
The problem is that can't happen easily.
I made that suggestion in a conversation with a friend, his answer was the PC have to come from APNU.
Ray posted:It will be the last straw if they try and usurp power...I was hoping they would change their ways
the fact is that they are doing NOTHING indicating a βtryβ to βusurpβ power
the βdrown outβ chanting from Freedom House and yβall LIE enablers does not a reality make
your second sentence is therefore logical nonsense
Django posted:I made that suggestion in a conversation with a friend, his answer was the PC have to come from APNU.
Specifically the PNC chunk of APNU.
skeldon_man posted:Granger should hang it up and retire comfortably. He has a military and a presidential pension. The man could live comfortably in the twilight years of his life. It is unfortunate his coalition experiment failed.
Granger and his ministers squandered the goodwill and immediately behaved worse than PNC part one. Guyanese should have clued in earlier when he started laying wreath at Burnhams grave and giving the alleged murderer Hamilton Greene Guyanaβs highest award. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it is a duck.
Moses and Ramjattan are shameless clowns. Charandass was 1000 percent correct about these two fellas.
Django posted:skeldon_man posted:Granger should hang it up and retire comfortably. He has a military and a presidential pension. The man could live comfortably in the twilight years of his life. It is unfortunate his coalition experiment failed.
Good point, regarding the coalition with some major tweaking they can rebound.
if jim jones was captured alive and rehabilitated...
Django posted:Billy Ram Balgobin posted:I think APNU/AFC have a good chance against the PPP if they put Moses as their presidential candidate. πΈπΈπΈππππ
The problem is that can't happen easily.
I made that suggestion in a conversation with a friend, his answer was the PC have to come from APNU.
The PNC will not allow that, not in 1000 years.
It seems like the PNC doesnβt even want to accept their conclusion from last Friday.
yuji22 posted:Django posted:Billy Ram Balgobin posted:I think APNU/AFC have a good chance against the PPP if they put Moses as their presidential candidate. πΈπΈπΈππππ
The problem is that can't happen easily.
I made that suggestion in a conversation with a friend, his answer was the PC have to come from APNU.
The PNC will not allow that, not in 1000 years.
Black people as a subordinate class is all i am gleaning from this particular conversation
ronan posted:Ray posted:It will be the last straw if they try and usurp power...I was hoping they would change their ways
the fact is that they are doing NOTHING indicating a βtryβ to βusurpβ power
the βdrown outβ chanting from Freedom House and yβall LIE enablers does not a reality make
your second sentence is therefore logical nonsense
For want of less vitriolic words this is wanton pursuit of nonsense. Humans are the irreducible unit in a count of persons. Person hood cannot exist in half a person so any inference here that we can split hairs and claim the middle of a count of humans is to chop one of them in half is insane. It is magical thinking.
Further, this government has been relying on 33 as the majority in all legislation it proffered. It did not split the human and looked for the other one and a half person to satisfy the concept of a majority then.
This is villainy plain and simple. Worse it means that truth to them is dispositional. It is to be argued like Georgias the sophist when asked to speak of salt...he asked whether he should speak to the good or bad of it as is their preference.
Anan posted:Django posted:skeldon_man posted:Granger should hang it up and retire comfortably. He has a military and a presidential pension. The man could live comfortably in the twilight years of his life. It is unfortunate his coalition experiment failed.
Good point, regarding the coalition with some major tweaking they can rebound.
if jim jones was captured alive and rehabilitated...
What you saying bhai, no rehabilitation for the coalition, but..but.. the other party can be rehabilitated.
You r@ss showing the true color.
D2 posted:ronan posted:Ray posted:It will be the last straw if they try and usurp power...I was hoping they would change their ways
the fact is that they are doing NOTHING indicating a βtryβ to βusurpβ power
the βdrown outβ chanting from Freedom House and yβall LIE enablers does not a reality make
your second sentence is therefore logical nonsense
For want of less vitriolic words this is wanton pursuit of nonsense. Humans are the irreducible unit in a count of persons. Person hood cannot exist in half a person so any inference here that we can split hairs and claim the middle of a count of humans is to chop one of them in half is insane. It is magical thinking.
Further, this government has been relying on 33 as the majority in all legislation it proffered. It did not split the human and looked for the other one and a half person to satisfy the concept of a majority then.
This is villainy plain and simple. Worse it means that truth to them is dispositional. It is to be argued like Georgias the sophist when asked to speak of salt...he asked whether he should speak to the good or bad of it as is their preference.
was it Granger/PNC βvillainyβ when Ralph Ramkarran advised the PPP that the budget vote was the proper way to bring down the Govβt (33>32) rather than rely on a no-confidence motion where a βmajorityβ required 34 votes?
huh?
your polemic is a shallow, emotional scotch tape job
ksazma posted:I have been saying since the signing of that Valentineβs Day love letter that the PNC of now is no different from the PNC of past. They are going to court now because it is the next natural step. At some point when all these legal steps run out, the mo fiah slo fiah will begin. Putting lipstick on a pig doesnβt remove the fact that it is still a pig.
Those people are FOREVER be dishonest, criminal minded, inhuman, lack compassion and remain BULLIES all the way to their grave!!
ronan posted:D2 posted:ronan posted:Ray posted:It will be the last straw if they try and usurp power...I was hoping they would change their ways
the fact is that they are doing NOTHING indicating a βtryβ to βusurpβ power
the βdrown outβ chanting from Freedom House and yβall LIE enablers does not a reality make
your second sentence is therefore logical nonsense
For want of less vitriolic words this is wanton pursuit of nonsense. Humans are the irreducible unit in a count of persons. Person hood cannot exist in half a person so any inference here that we can split hairs and claim the middle of a count of humans is to chop one of them in half is insane. It is magical thinking.
Further, this government has been relying on 33 as the majority in all legislation it proffered. It did not split the human and looked for the other one and a half person to satisfy the concept of a majority then.
This is villainy plain and simple. Worse it means that truth to them is dispositional. It is to be argued like Georgias the sophist when asked to speak of salt...he asked whether he should speak to the good or bad of it as is their preference.
was it Granger/PNC βvillainyβ when Ralph Ramkarran advised the PPP that the budget vote was the proper way to bring down the Govβt (33>32) rather than rely on a no-confidence motion where a βmajorityβ required 34 votes?
huh?
your polemic is a shallow, tendentious, emotional scotch tape job
I do not care who invented the scheme. It is mathemagical. This is not mathematics. Further, if it matters not in legislation that went on un restricted in the past three years then why is it so important noe?
A majority is not a phrase that stands by itself. We are not doing transfinite math here. We are dealing with human beings. Half a human is never a participant in a direct count of human beings.
I will refrain from responding to the rest or your quirky quibbles.
Anan posted:
D2 posted:ronan posted:D2 posted:ronan posted:Ray posted:It will be the last straw if they try and usurp power...I was hoping they would change their ways
the fact is that they are doing NOTHING indicating a βtryβ to βusurpβ power
the βdrown outβ chanting from Freedom House and yβall LIE enablers does not a reality make
your second sentence is therefore logical nonsense
For want of less vitriolic words this is wanton pursuit of nonsense. Humans are the irreducible unit in a count of persons. Person hood cannot exist in half a person so any inference here that we can split hairs and claim the middle of a count of humans is to chop one of them in half is insane. It is magical thinking.
Further, this government has been relying on 33 as the majority in all legislation it proffered. It did not split the human and looked for the other one and a half person to satisfy the concept of a majority then.
This is villainy plain and simple. Worse it means that truth to them is dispositional. It is to be argued like Georgias the sophist when asked to speak of salt...he asked whether he should speak to the good or bad of it as is their preference.
was it Granger/PNC βvillainyβ when Ralph Ramkarran advised the PPP that the budget vote was the proper way to bring down the Govβt (33>32) rather than rely on a no-confidence motion where a βmajorityβ required 34 votes?
huh?
your polemic is a shallow, tendentious, emotional scotch tape job
I do not care who invented the scheme. It is mathemagical. This is not mathematics. Further, if it matters not in legislation that went on un restricted in the past three years then why is it so important noe?
A majority is not a phrase that stands by itself. We are not doing transfinite math here. We are dealing with human beings. Half a human is never a participant in a direct count of human beings.
i happen to agree with the proposition that 33 is a βmajorityβ in a 65-seat house, even for a no-confidence motion
but it is sheer wickedness on your part to characterize the actions of the Govβt as βvillainyβ when there is respected legal opinion and precedent in and out of Guyana that supports the other position
that is why we have Courts
this is not about a βschemeβ or mathematics . . . it is about LAW and government
why are yβall behaving like a coercive uncivilized mob?
D2 posted:Anan posted:What the $^%^% does this have to do with the thread? Delete it you nit!!!
there....you're welcome comrade sakawinki
You can also ease up on the comrade crapola. That is so middle of the last century passe. And the sakiwinki bit just lowers your IQ by an increment of 10.
Anan posted:D2 posted:Anan posted:What the $^%^% does this have to do with the thread? Delete it you nit!!!there....you're welcome comrade sakawinki
Comrade Sakawinki is now jumping higher than TK. He just jumped out of Shoemanβs ship. I guess he will jump back into the PNC ship and god knows where else Comrade Sakawinki D2 will jump.
Billy Ram Balgobin posted:I think APNU/AFC have a good chance against the PPP if they put Moses as their presidential candidate. πΈπΈπΈππππ
Billy, go easy on the egg nog.
yuji22 posted:Comrade Sakawinki is now jumping higher than TK. He just jumped out of Shoemanβs ship. I guess he will jump back into the PNC ship and god knows where else Comrade Sakawinki D2 will jump.
Why the personal attack on D2?
D2 posted:You can also ease up on the comrade crapola. That is so middle of the last century passe. And the sakiwinki bit just lowers your IQ by an increment of 10.
There is a negative IQ??????
GTAngler posted:D2 posted:You can also ease up on the comrade crapola. That is so middle of the last century passe. And the sakiwinki bit just lowers your IQ by an increment of 10.
There is a negative IQ??????
Look up Discrepancy Model...
Mitwah posted:yuji22 posted:Comrade Sakawinki is now jumping higher than TK. He just jumped out of Shoemanβs ship. I guess he will jump back into the PNC ship and god knows where else Comrade Sakawinki D2 will jump.
Why the personal attack on D2?
Like you rass ne see when he cusses up posters and labels them with all sorts of names. Bai, you might need to have your eyes examined. D2 is among the most vile and racist posters at GNI. He is grass hopping today.
yuji22 posted:Mitwah posted:yuji22 posted:Comrade Sakawinki is now jumping higher than TK. He just jumped out of Shoemanβs ship. I guess he will jump back into the PNC ship and god knows where else Comrade Sakawinki D2 will jump.
Why the personal attack on D2?
Like you rass ne see when he cusses up posters and labels them with all sorts of names. Bai, you might need to have your eyes examined. D2 is among the most vile and racist posters at GNI. He is grass hopping today.
Naaah! Thou art the most vile vulgar racist.
yuji22 posted:Anan posted:D2 posted:Anan posted:What the $^%^% does this have to do with the thread? Delete it you nit!!!there....you're welcome comrade sakawinki
Comrade Sakawinki is now jumping higher than TK. He just jumped out of Shoemanβs ship. I guess he will jump back into the PNC ship and god knows where else Comrade Sakawinki D2 will jump.
Dude go play with you lil abc kids. I am yet to see anything of substance from you that is not some dummied down attempt at personal slurs.
GTAngler posted:D2 posted:You can also ease up on the comrade crapola. That is so middle of the last century passe. And the sakiwinki bit just lowers your IQ by an increment of 10.
There is a negative IQ??????
sub 100 where 100 is the average. He has to be pushing 80. I give him 90 for the benefit of the doubt.
yuji22 posted:Mitwah posted:yuji22 posted:Comrade Sakawinki is now jumping higher than TK. He just jumped out of Shoemanβs ship. I guess he will jump back into the PNC ship and god knows where else Comrade Sakawinki D2 will jump.
Why the personal attack on D2?
Like you rass ne see when he cusses up posters and labels them with all sorts of names. Bai, you might need to have your eyes examined. D2 is among the most vile and racist posters at GNI. He is grass hopping today.
that coming from you is a compliment.
D2 posted:yuji22 posted:Anan posted:D2 posted:Anan posted:What the $^%^% does this have to do with the thread? Delete it you nit!!!there....you're welcome comrade sakawinki
Comrade Sakawinki is now jumping higher than TK. He just jumped out of Shoemanβs ship. I guess he will jump back into the PNC ship and god knows where else Comrade Sakawinki D2 will jump.
Dude go play with you lil abc kids. I am yet to see anything of substance from you that is not some dummied down attempt at personal slurs.
Keep Sakawinki Jumping. You are the most vile and racist poster at GNI.
yuji22 posted:D2 posted:yuji22 posted:Anan posted:D2 posted:Anan posted:What the $^%^% does this have to do with the thread? Delete it you nit!!!there....you're welcome comrade sakawinki
Comrade Sakawinki is now jumping higher than TK. He just jumped out of Shoemanβs ship. I guess he will jump back into the PNC ship and god knows where else Comrade Sakawinki D2 will jump.
Dude go play with you lil abc kids. I am yet to see anything of substance from you that is not some dummied down attempt at personal slurs.
Keep Sakawinki Jumping. You are the most vile and racist poster at GNI.
As I said, that is a compliment coming from you.
Jump Saka jump. We watching you wid you daily lies and you party hopping and handle swapping.
Jump Saka jump. How come you padna Gwana na show up ? We see dem tekking de same track. Hey hey Hey.
Django posted:Mitwah posted:Suh how come dem win de election wid 33?
Win by "Majority" and Thrown out by "Absolute Majority"
That's how some interpret the Constitution.
Voting in the National Assembly
Word forms: absolute majoritiescountable nounIf a political party wins an absolute majority, they obtain more seats or votes than the total number of seats or votes gained by their opponents in an election.
It was an absolute majority because there are 65 and Yes were 33. Majority is if there were abstentions but the Yes were still the majority but not 33.
The pnc knows this but playing for time to get the hooligans ready to waste sections of Guyana.
It is an absolutely majority the Yes got!
ronan posted:i happen to agree with the proposition that 33 is a βmajorityβ in a 65-seat house, even for a no-confidence motion
but it is sheer wickedness on your part to characterize the actions of the Govβt as βvillainyβ when there is respected legal opinion and precedent in and out of Guyana that supports the other position
that is why we have Courts
this is not about a βschemeβ or mathematics . . . it is about LAW and government
why are yβall behaving like a coercive uncivilized mob?
I see no reason to characterize it otherwise. I considered Anil's suit to insist a refusal of a budget line item is akin to rejecting the whole document similarly as vile. This should be a time they close up shop, sent their agents our and begin to campaign in earnest. Instead they are leaving the nation in doubt as though they are in possession of a constitutional gem and are smart to pull a rabbit out of a hat. The reality they are being dunces by arguing an absurdity
This is not like Ramotar proroguing parliament to avoid a NCV and we called that vile. Ramotar had that right. There is no moral value in what they are doing even if it is to extend he time in office before suspending parliament.
They will still have to vote in 90 days. Highlighting gets the nation goat going and paints them unfavorably and pedantic and disingenuous nits. Using the law to skirt the law is always a vile and amoral thing.
If you do not like being called names that can be taken negatively to race and ethnicity please refrained from calling anyone uncivilized. It demeans you. I bloody well know what it means to be civil and I am presently arguing a viewpoint from a logical and rational perspective and you are taking cover in this pretense to being of some superior virtue. I leave that kind of behavior for Ugli.
yuji22 posted:Jump Saka jump. We watching you wid you daily lies and you party hopping and handle swapping.
Jump Saka jump. How come you padna Gwana na show up ? We see dem tekking de same track. Hey hey Hey.
You are just being your pissant self as usual. Carry on!
No bai, you need to own up to your mistakes in supporting the AFC and having balls like Charandass to condemn Moses, Ramjattan and Trotman.
Big men at GNI were brave enough to admit their mistakes. You have been dodging and weaving. Grow some na bai.
yuji22 posted:Jump Saka jump. We watching you wid you daily lies and you party hopping and handle swapping.
Jump Saka jump. How come you padna Gwana na show up ? We see dem tekking de same track. Hey hey Hey.
Blue baby...your mama surely was unlucky with you.
D2 posted:yuji22 posted:Jump Saka jump. We watching you wid you daily lies and you party hopping and handle swapping.
Jump Saka jump. How come you padna Gwana na show up ? We see dem tekking de same track. Hey hey Hey.
Blue baby...your mama surely was unlucky with you.
Your mama was surely drunk to deliver someone like you. By attacking me and my mother proves that your are a low life POS.
yuji22 posted:D2 posted:yuji22 posted:Jump Saka jump. We watching you wid you daily lies and you party hopping and handle swapping.
Jump Saka jump. How come you padna Gwana na show up ? We see dem tekking de same track. Hey hey Hey.
Blue baby...your mama surely was unlucky with you.
Your mama was surely drunk to deliver someone like you. By attacking me and my mother proves that your are a low life POS.
Sorry, my mama was a professor for two decades and is quite proud she give birth to son who can match her in wit and creative thinking. If we get drunk it is on good 30 year old port as we exchange opinions on the romantic poets, the pre socratics, the positivist movement or whether chomsky truly got this thing we called language right. I am not attacking your mom. I am sympathizing with her for her inner grief that she create such a horridly, ignorant pretentious prick
Alert !!! Lies Lies !!!
D2 posted:yuji22 posted:Jump Saka jump. We watching you wid you daily lies and you party hopping and handle swapping.
Jump Saka jump. How come you padna Gwana na show up ? We see dem tekking de same track. Hey hey Hey.
Blue baby...your mama surely was unlucky with you.
People's mothers should be off limits on this board.
yuji22 posted:Alert !!! Lies Lies !!!
as I said, I did not grow up on trench water.
Bibi Haniffa posted:D2 posted:yuji22 posted:Jump Saka jump. We watching you wid you daily lies and you party hopping and handle swapping.
Jump Saka jump. How come you padna Gwana na show up ? We see dem tekking de same track. Hey hey Hey.
Blue baby...your mama surely was unlucky with you.
People's mothers should be off limits on this board.
Stay out of the range of fire least errant missiles land in close proximity. Nothing in that statement is anti his mama. It is sympathizing that she has such a piss poor dunce for a son
He keeps attacking people's mothers and now tries too pull off his biggest lie at GNI about his mother being Professor.
D2 is a big joker !
Ha ha !!
yuji22 posted:He keeps attacking people's mothers and now tries too pull off his biggest lie at GNI about his mother being Professor.
D2 is a big joker !
Ha ha !!
Indeed I am a joker but, a smart one dunce.
ksazma posted:I have been saying since the signing of that Valentineβs Day love letter that the PNC of now is no different from the PNC of past. They are going to court now because it is the next natural step. At some point when all these legal steps run out, the mo fiah slo fiah will begin. Putting lipstick on a pig doesnβt remove the fact that it is still a pig.
Do not go on as if the PPP were saints. Ramotar prorogued parliament to prevent the vote and only left peacefully because of tremendous international pressure.
Those who attack the PNC from a position of moral high ground are very comedic and hypocritical. Neither party is democratic in the true sense of what this means.
D2 posted:Bibi Haniffa posted:D2 posted:yuji22 posted:Jump Saka jump. We watching you wid you daily lies and you party hopping and handle swapping.
Jump Saka jump. How come you padna Gwana na show up ? We see dem tekking de same track. Hey hey Hey.
Blue baby...your mama surely was unlucky with you.
People's mothers should be off limits on this board.
Stay out of the range of fire least errant missiles land in close proximity. Nothing in that statement is anti his mama. It is sympathizing that she has such a piss poor dunce for a son
He park bench boy. Yuji is a university graduate and the most successful businessman and a multi millionaire. You are just a POS and a compulsive liar who can only curse down other people"s mothers.
yuji22 posted:These PNC thugs will eventually resort to violence and intimidation. They are wrong and strong.
And if the PPP thinks so shouldn't they be placing priority on an active outreach to the PNC base so that the PNC base ceases to see them as a racist bogeyman to be feared?
Just remember that Cheddi didn't face this reaction once Hammie Green was put in his place by Hoyte. Janet and Jagdeo did because neither gave a damn about outreach to those who fear PPP rule.
You all just want power and think that you in a multi ethnic society can engages in ethnic triumphalism.
One day the PPP will stop focusing on winning and start focusing on INCLUSIVE governing and when they do their need to fear "bad black man" will no longer be necessary.
yuji22 posted:Yuji is a university graduate and the most successful businessman and a multi millionaire.
BiBi, You hear duh?
caribny posted:ksazma posted:I have been saying since the signing of that Valentineβs Day love letter that the PNC of now is no different from the PNC of past. They are going to court now because it is the next natural step. At some point when all these legal steps run out, the mo fiah slo fiah will begin. Putting lipstick on a pig doesnβt remove the fact that it is still a pig.
Do not go on as if the PPP were saints. Ramotar prorogued parliament to prevent the vote and only left peacefully because of tremendous international pressure.
Those who attack the PNC from a position of moral high ground are very comedic and hypocritical. Neither party is democratic in the true sense of what this means.
Proroguing parliament was within his right and a procedure he can leverage that is constitutional. What Granger et al are doing in this Sisyphean pursuit is disheartening. It leaves the people in limbo, earns them no time and only cast a shade on their motives because if they can be this pedantic with an obvious truth what would they do with one that demands a little more deliberation. They only add to what ever suspicion that one may hold against them as honorable men.
Ray posted:It will be the last straw if they try and usurp power...I was hoping they would change their ways
They haven't and neither has the PPP. Two denizens still fighting a 60 year old Cold War with the tacit support of their tribes who continue to fear each other.
I see no sign of acknowledgement that the PPP was not democratic when they prorogued parliament to attempt to stop the vote and only reneged when they faced intense pressure from the ABC nations and other international entities.
When I see those who support the PPP condemning Ramotar/Jagdeo attempts to block through proroguing parliament then we can chat.
caribny posted:yuji22 posted:These PNC thugs will eventually resort to violence and intimidation. They are wrong and strong.
And if the PPP thinks so shouldn't they be placing priority on an active outreach to the PNC base so that the PNC base ceases to see them as a racist bogeyman to be feared?
Just remember that Cheddi didn't face this reaction once Hammie Green was put in his place by Hoyte. Janet and Jagdeo did because neither gave a damn about outreach to those who fear PPP rule.
You all just want power and think that you in a multi ethnic society can engages in ethnic triumphalism.
One day the PPP will stop focusing on winning and start focusing on INCLUSIVE governing and when they do their need tofear "bad black man" will no longer be necessary.
Hey carib, we ARE first dealing with bunch of "bad black men" who refuse to respect the constitution. One thing at a time.
yuji22 posted:D2 posted:Bibi Haniffa posted:D2 posted:yuji22 posted:Jump Saka jump. We watching you wid you daily lies and you party hopping and handle swapping.
Jump Saka jump. How come you padna Gwana na show up ? We see dem tekking de same track. Hey hey Hey.
Blue baby...your mama surely was unlucky with you.
People's mothers should be off limits on this board.
Stay out of the range of fire least errant missiles land in close proximity. Nothing in that statement is anti his mama. It is sympathizing that she has such a piss poor dunce for a son
He park bench boy. Yuji is a university graduate and the most successful businessman and a multi millionaire. You are just a POS and a compulsive liar who can only curse down other people"s mothers.
Wow.. classic, University Graduate on a roll, your writings seems otherwise.
GTAngler posted:There is a negative IQ??????
That possessed by a large segment of the PPP support base.
yuji22 posted:No bai, you need to own up to your mistakes in supporting the AFC and having balls like Charandass to condemn Moses, Ramjattan and Trotman.
Big men at GNI were brave enough to admit their mistakes. You have been dodging and weaving. Grow some na bai.
And then we would have continued to have a country ruled by those who think that consorting with Colombian cartel affiliated gangs is good governance.
yuji22 posted:He park bench boy. Yuji is a university graduate and the most successful businessman and a multi millionaire. You are just a POS and a compulsive liar who can only curse down other people"s mothers.
I was waiting for the moment when you begin to measure wallet size...jackass. I am happy on the park bench in your mind watching you count your coins like silas marner....what an ass!
yuji22 posted:D2 posted:Bibi Haniffa posted:D2 posted:yuji22 posted:Jump Saka jump. We watching you wid you daily lies and you party hopping and handle swapping.
Jump Saka jump. How come you padna Gwana na show up ? We see dem tekking de same track. Hey hey Hey.
Blue baby...your mama surely was unlucky with you.
People's mothers should be off limits on this board.
Stay out of the range of fire least errant missiles land in close proximity. Nothing in that statement is anti his mama. It is sympathizing that she has such a piss poor dunce for a son
He park bench boy. Yuji is a university graduate and the most successful businessman and a multi millionaire. You are just a POS and a compulsive liar who can only curse down other people"s mothers.
Easy, OK you sounding a bit arrogant.
Django posted:Wow.. classic, University Graduate on a roll, your writings seems otherwise.
Classic trump syndrome. There is what he believes and what others know.
kp posted: .Easy, OK you sounding a bit arrogant.
That is not arrogance. That is a pretentious jackass telling you who they are.
Django posted:yuji22 posted:D2 posted:Bibi Haniffa posted:D2 posted:yuji22 posted:Jump Saka jump. We watching you wid you daily lies and you party hopping and handle swapping.
Jump Saka jump. How come you padna Gwana na show up ? We see dem tekking de same track. Hey hey Hey.
Blue baby...your mama surely was unlucky with you.
People's mothers should be off limits on this board.
Stay out of the range of fire least errant missiles land in close proximity. Nothing in that statement is anti his mama. It is sympathizing that she has such a piss poor dunce for a son
He park bench boy. Yuji is a university graduate and the most successful businessman and a multi millionaire. You are just a POS and a compulsive liar who can only curse down other people"s mothers.
Wow.. classic, University Graduate on a roll, your writings seems otherwise.
I forgot, remind me how many houses you owned and how bid is your business?? You posted it on GNI.
D2 posted:This is not like Ramotar proroguing parliament to avoid a NCV and we called that vile. Ramotar had that right.
You did so that you have a right to an opinion. Those others who screamed that proroguing was a sign of democracy don't.
Both the PNC and the PPP are up to their normal tricks. The more the PNC wastes time with this stunt the less time they will have to campaign. The angrier will be those who despise them and the more cynical will be those who might have voted for them as they consider the PPP worse.
Listen the PPP has won the election. Let us hope that they do what they have NEVER done and that is to govern INCLUSIVELY. If they do not do this they will have a very hot time as the stakes are higher this time, now that their opponents know that a PPP victory isn't inevitable and all have their claws open to scratch out "oil money".
D2 posted:. I am sympathizing with her for her inner grief that she create such a horridly, ignorant pretentious prick
kp posted:yuji22 posted:D2 posted:Bibi Haniffa posted:D2 posted:yuji22 posted:Jump Saka jump. We watching you wid you daily lies and you party hopping and handle swapping.
Jump Saka jump. How come you padna Gwana na show up ? We see dem tekking de same track. Hey hey Hey.
Blue baby...your mama surely was unlucky with you.
People's mothers should be off limits on this board.
Stay out of the range of fire least errant missiles land in close proximity. Nothing in that statement is anti his mama. It is sympathizing that she has such a piss poor dunce for a son
He park bench boy. Yuji is a university graduate and the most successful businessman and a multi millionaire. You are just a POS and a compulsive liar who can only curse down other people"s mothers.
Easy, OK you sounding a bit arrogant.
Remember he is a Brahmin. I wonder what University he attended?
D2 posted:Django posted:Wow.. classic, University Graduate on a roll, your writings seems otherwise.
Classic trump syndrome. There is what he believes and what others know.
D2 comes here with his nonsense, lies and attacks posters and expect them to roll over. Let him take his dhall and stop crying at admin's door like a lil gyal.
The bais at SN gave him good and proper and he crawled back here.
D2 posted:Proroguing parliament was within his right and a procedure he can leverage that is constitutional.
His intent was malicious and you fully well know this. I reduce the PNC and the PPP to the same level. Neither are democratic.
kp posted:I forgot, remind me how many houses you owned and how bid is your business?? You posted it on GNI.
It was done for a reason at that point in time, do you see any repetition ?
Seem to forget you did the same boasting about your accomplishments.
caribny posted:Ray posted:It will be the last straw if they try and usurp power...I was hoping they would change their ways
They haven't and neither has the PPP. Two denizens still fighting a 60 year old Cold War with the tacit support of their tribes who continue to fear each other.
I see no sign of acknowledgement that the PPP was not democratic when they prorogued parliament to attempt to stop the vote and only reneged when they faced intense pressure from the ABC nations and other international entities.
When I see those who support the PPP condemning Ramotar/Jagdeo attempts to block through proroguing parliament then we can chat.
The reason why neither of them incubates young minds by placing them in positions of responsibility so latent talent can be actualized or creative capacity is expressed.
Granger broke down the old hierarchical ministerial structures and created a system of ministers within ministries which were themselves inside tan overarching ministry of the president. No one got any chance to be authoritative or creative. It is a system doomed to fail.
yuji22 posted:The bais at SN gave him good and proper and he crawled back here.
If I recall correctly it was Eric Phillips and his gang. I doubt that they will be any nicer to you.
I can take on an entire army.
caribny posted:D2 posted:Proroguing parliament was within his right and a procedure he can leverage that is constitutional.
His intent was malicious and you fully well know this. I reduce the PNC and the PPP to the same level. Neither are democratic.
it was political dark arts and mean spirited intending to earn 6 months at the helm. It is not similar to this which is an absurdity. The latter may be construed as anti democratic. You cannot fiddle with the notion of what is majority that any kid can take the numbers and express as an inequality. He lost in an NCV. He may have been bushwhacked but he lost.
yuji22 posted:I can take on an entire army.
Listen you run like a sissy when Volda is coming so you cannot take a whole army of people like her.
Go down to Guyana and walk into Congress Place and run your mouth if you think you are a hero.
D2 posted:caribny posted:D2 posted:Proroguing parliament was within his right and a procedure he can leverage that is constitutional.
His intent was malicious and you fully well know this. I reduce the PNC and the PPP to the same level. Neither are democratic.
it was political dark arts and mean spirited intending to earn 6 months at the helm. It is not similar to this which is an absurdity. The latter may be construed as anti democratic. You cannot fiddle with the notion of what is majority that any kid can take the numbers and express as an inequality. He lost in an NCV. He may have been bushwhacked but he lost.
The difference is only that the PPP knew that they would lose the NC so prorogued to buy time, during which they planned to engage in an orgy of vote buying.
The Coalition didn't know a Judas was among them and so are now caught in this pathetic display which actually damages them more than it does the PPP.
Unless they can cite a specific article which states that the definition of "NC" majority vote is different from the majority in other instances they will lose this initiative. In so doing their credibility will be lost and with that their base becomes demoralized and so likely to stay home.
The Coalition ought to be re-organizing themselves and going out to beg their support base and others for a 2nd chance. They aren't. This plainly shows how stupid they are.
caribny posted:yuji22 posted:I can take on an entire army.
Listen you run like a sissy when Volda is coming so you cannot take a whole army of people like her.
Go down to Guyana and walk into Congress Place and run your mouth if you think you are a hero.
Wait, are you saying that a bunch of very violet people reside at Congress Place ? Do they not have any respect for law and order ?
yuji22 posted:D2 posted:Django posted:Wow.. classic, University Graduate on a roll, your writings seems otherwise.
Classic trump syndrome. There is what he believes and what others know.
D2 comes here with his nonsense, lies and attacks posters and expect them to roll over. Let him take his dhall and stop crying at admin's door like a lil gyal.
The bais at SN gave him good and proper and he crawled back here.
Please post one instance where anyone on SN humiliated me. I write dozens of posts there daily to dozens of individuals.
yuji22 posted:Wait, are you saying that a bunch of very violet people reside at Congress Place ? Do they not have any respect for law and order ?
No I am saying that you are such a coward that even if they invite you in for a drink to dialogue you will defecate in your pants and flee in terror.
Black people terrify you.
caribny posted:yuji22 posted:The bais at SN gave him good and proper and he crawled back here.
If I recall correctly it was Eric Phillips and his gang. I doubt that they will be any nicer to you.
Eric makes claims he cannot defend. He uses dubious scientific sources to posit first nation status. He hides from me.
D2 posted:caribny posted:yuji22 posted:The bais at SN gave him good and proper and he crawled back here.
If I recall correctly it was Eric Phillips and his gang. I doubt that they will be any nicer to you.
Eric makes claims he cannot defend. He uses dubious scientific sources to posit first nation status. He hides from me.
My point to one of our resident Indo KKK skunks is that they wouldn't be nicer to them than they were to you so I don't know why he rejoices in his fantasies.
He has a huge terror of blacks so can only scream his rant when he hides behind a PC. In front of them he will freeze in terror and agree with all that they tell him.
I distinctly remember the hysterical suicidal screams from him and his buddy Skeldon the day when the PPP lost the election. Wailing that "dem blackman in power and cyan do what dey want and nobady cyan stap dem".
caribny posted:D2 posted:caribny posted:D2 posted:The Coalition ought to be re-organizing themselves and going out to beg their support base and others for a 2nd chance. They aren't. This plainly shows how stupid they are.
The are too busy doing voodoo math while they continue to lose credibility. There is nothing to reorganize. The PNC will now have to live with opposition status.
You mean begging for a third chance, right ? They were clobbered at LGE with triggered a NC vote. By your own admission, PNC voter based does not turn out to vote when they are upset at their party and after 3-1/2 years, they did nothing for the base and only helped themselves.
Granger is disconnected form the party base. He should have NEVER told blacks that they are lazy. Guess what, he will be the PNC presidential candidate.
I am no in any assuming that the base would support the PPP but PNC voter base will just not show up with the required numbers. The longer they delay the election, the worse it gets for them.
The should have already fired up their base in anticipation of a election instead of doing voodoo maths.
Bibi Haniffa posted:D2 posted:
Blue baby...your mama surely was unlucky with you.
People's mothers should be off limits on this board.
How about peoples fathers? Since when you became the keeper of the gates here. Let admin decide whatβs appropriate. We donβt need a hypocrite and liar setting rules.
caribny posted:D2 posted:caribny posted:yuji22 posted:The bais at SN gave him good and proper and he crawled back here.
If I recall correctly it was Eric Phillips and his gang. I doubt that they will be any nicer to you.
Eric makes claims he cannot defend. He uses dubious scientific sources to posit first nation status. He hides from me.
My point to one of our resident Indo KKK skunks is that they wouldn't be nicer to them than they were to you so I don't know why he rejoices in his fantasies.
He has a huge terror of blacks so can only scream his rant when he hides behind a PC. In front of them he will freeze in terror and agree with all that they tell him.
the moderators on SN are savage. I am always double vetted for being crudely direct to any one there and they have some protected ones whose feelings they do not want to get hurt. However this fellow never argues a position. He looks to who he can insult to talk about anything. He would have to be better behaved there.
caribny posted:yuji22 posted:Wait, are you saying that a bunch of very violet people reside at Congress Place ? Do they not have any respect for law and order ?
No I am saying that you are such a coward that even if they invite you in for a drink to dialogue you will defecate in your pants and flee in terror.
Black people terrify you.
Indos of today are not like Indos of yesterday and blacks of today do not buy into your Black KKK mob mentality.
The issue here is about PNC losing the NC vote and the future of the PNC.
yuji22 posted:They were clobbered at LGE with triggered a NC vote. By your own admission, PNC voter based does not turn out to vote when they are upset at their party and after 3-1/2 years, they did nothing for the base and only helped themselves.
Do you know that voting for your city councilors isn't the same as voting for your president and MPs?
Do you understand that LGE and national elections are NOT the same. I voted for Bloomberg twice when he was a GOP candidate. Did that mean that I supported Bush as president? HELL NO!
The coalition won in 2015 and they should now be begging for a SECOND chance!
If you cannot understand this concept go hang out in Social!
yuji22 posted:caribny posted:D2 posted:caribny posted:D2 posted:The Coalition ought to be re-organizing themselves and going out to beg their support base and others for a 2nd chance. They aren't. This plainly shows how stupid they are.
The are too busy doing voodoo math while they continue to lose credibility. There is nothing to reorganize. The PNC will now have to live with opposition status.
You mean begging for a third chance, right ? They were clobbered at LGE with triggered a NC vote. By your own admission, PNC voter based does not turn out to vote when they are upset at their party and after 3-1/2 years, they did nothing for the base and only helped themselves.
Granger is disconnected form the party base. He should have NEVER told blacks that they are lazy. Guess what, he will be the PNC presidential candidate.
I am no in any assuming that the base would support the PPP but PNC voter base will just not show up with the required numbers. The longer they delay the election, the worse it gets for them.
The should have already fired up their base in anticipation of a election instead of doing voodoo maths.
Donβt fool yourself, they have fanned out and mobilizing their base. They are using the race card seeing itβs an Indian MP who launched the attack!
yuji22 posted:Indos of today are not like Indos of yesterday and blacks of today do not buy into your Black KKK mob mentality.
The issue here is about PNC losing the NC vote and the future of the PNC.
I am not talking about Indians.
I am talking about YOU and the fact that YOU are a coward.
In May 2015 when the PPP lost the election you and your friend Skeldon were screaming like two old ladies. Ranting and raving about "blackman man gun kill ahbe".
When a skinny old black woman snatched the sign from over 20 cane cutters YOU were screaming "Indian Holocaust"!
YOU are a coward!
Baseman posted:Donβt fool yourself, they have fanned out and mobilizing their base. They are using the race card seeing itβs an Indian MP who launched the attack!
It is a messaging tact I would use. Jagdeo and his kleptocratic crew never had one Indian person dissenting in 23 years to kick them out on a fit of conscience. Moses and Kemraj did not vote them out. The AFC kneecapped them twice at the polls.
@Baseman
I beg to disagree. This bunch of AFC PNC incompetents are just sitting down and having discussions about voodoo math instead of hitting the road. It means that they are demoralized especially when you hear Nigel commenting about Jagdeo and his abilities and strengths of a Politician.
The AFC and PNC are still stunned and unless a much more intelligent and transformative PNC leader emerges, the PNC is headed into opposition status.
At this point, it appears as if Guyanese are not going to buy into the PNC policy of terror, instead Guyanese are acting in their own interest and they made it clear that the PNC never acted in their interest at LGE.
Granger is making another critical error in having "PM" Moses lead his charge. He has a credibility issue with both Blacks and Indos.
The National Elections will be a repeat of the local elections.
All this talk of third party is premature. They just cannot put their election machinery in place in just three short months. Jagdeo pulled of a master plan.
caribny posted:yuji22 posted:Indos of today are not like Indos of yesterday and blacks of today do not buy into your Black KKK mob mentality.
The issue here is about PNC losing the NC vote and the future of the PNC.
I am not talking about Indians.
I am talking about YOU and the fact that YOU are a coward.
In May 2015 when the PPP lost the election you and your friend Skeldon were screaming like two old ladies. Ranting and raving about "blackman man gun kill ahbe".
When a skinny old black woman snatched the sign from over 20 cane cutters YOU were screaming "Indian Holocaust"!
YOU are a coward!
Dont buss your blood vessel. I am delivering the bitter medicine to YOU. Take your meds, calm down and try again. This is an excellent lesson for you.
PPP lucky that Charandass vote for their NC. They need to shape up and make changes if they want to represent all Guyanese. I also still think they have plenty commies in their rank...that's why ABC don't trust them too much
D2 posted:I will refrain from responding to the rest or your quirky quibbles.
Exactly why I don't communicate directly with him anymore. The constant uhuh, aarite, shakeabatty etc. nonsense can go only so far before it becomes boring.