Over 120,000 dead persons names on Voters’ List

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THERE is high possibility that the current voters’ list is bloated with as many as 120,000 dead or non-existent persons, making it vulnerable to fraud, corruption and overall sinister agendas.

This is according to former People’s National Congress/Reform (PNC/R) Executive, James McAllister, who recently examined the figures of Guyana’s most recent census; voters’ list and voters’ turnout.
In a Facebook post on Saturday, he broke down these figures explaining that there must be some ulterior motive afoot that would cause any political party to be against the holding of fresh house-to-house registration.

“There must be some sinister agenda by those clamoring for elections without house-to-house registration,” he began. “The 2012 Census recorded a population of 746,955. Of this, 39 per cent was less than 18. Using census figures from 1980, 1991, 2001, and 2012, I forecasted that the population in 2015 was approximately 745,600. Assuming that 39 per cent is below 18, then approximately 454,816 were over 18 and eligible to vote in 2015. Yet we had a votes list with 583,444 names. That is a whopping 128,600 plus dead or nonexistent persons.”

McAllister noted that this represents and overstating of the voting population on the recently used list by over 28 per cent. He added: “And this is assuming a 100 per cent registration of all eligible electors. If 90 per cent registration is assumed then the list was bloated by over 42 per cent. A list as flawed as this provided great opportunity for fraud and corruption.”

Presenting additional information to support the position, McAllister highlighted that the Guyana Elections Commission (GECOM) had declared a 71.26 per cent voter turnout for the 2015 elections.

However, he noted that looking at the current census figures and assuming a 90 per cent registration rate, the actually voter turnout was 102 per cent which represents more voters than people.
He added that even if one were to assume a 100 per cent registration rate which his highly improbable, the voter turnout in 2015 would then be 91 per cent, still a highly improbable turnout.

Another example he gave was that a large number of polling places where the Peoples Progressive Party/Civic (PPP/C) received the majority votes, the turnout is computed at more than 120 per cent.

“Even if we assume a 100 per cent, this scenario points to a high incidence of substitute voting. This is when someone impersonates an elector and votes in his or her place. It’s quite possible that the present voters list is bloated by as much as 35 per cent. Anyone suggesting going to elections with such a list has a sinister agenda. The PPP claim that such a list could be cleansed is just a plain joke. There must be house-to-house registration before elections in 2020,” McAllister concluded.

In the 2019 budget, the government had allocated $3B towards fresh house-to-house registration to be conducted by GECOM. However, prior to the allocation and even now, Opposition Leader Bharrat Jagdeo has opposed new registrations, contending that the Guyana Register Office (GRO) can provide this function.

These are not the sentiments of GECOM Chair, retired Justice James Patterson, who back in March 2018 asserted that the only way to ensure that cries of malpractices by parties become a thing of the past, is to nip it in the bud. “Looking at the past, see what has gone wrong in the past and remedy it and to see what we can anticipate in the future and block that,” he told the Department of Public Information (DPI).

“The human brain can always fabricate some scheme to hit at the proper running of the voting process. We have to anticipate that and block it.”
However, McAllister is not the first or only individual to have found inconsistencies with the voters list, as the same was highlighted by GECOM Commissioner, Vincent Alexander, and other Ministers of Government.

“I am an advocate for house-to-house registration. I am not only an advocate, but one who is aware of the institutional decision taken years ago that we should have registration every seven years; and that we haven’t means that we do not have what is considered to be the ‘best list’,” Alexander told media operatives earlier in the year.

GECOM is currently deliberating the best possible timeline for the hosting of new elections which meets all the criteria for a free and fair democratic process. He added: “We have a population of 740,000 I’m told. [Meanwhile] we have a list in the vicinity of 500,000, which is clear that the list is in excess of the resident voters. In my view, that allows for the elections to be corrupted in the sense that political people can use the excess to manipulate voting and have a result that is not reflective of the resident Guyanese; and so we need to deal with that.”

Government Chief Whip, Amna Ally, told the Guyana Chronicle recently that she believes that the current voters’ list is “compromised” and one which has already been used by the opposition to solicit illegal votes.
Her contention is also that many persons who have now attained the eligible age to vote would be disqualified if the old list is used.

Alliance For Change (AFC) Chairman, Khemraj Ramjattan, had also cautioned the same while A Partnership for National Unity (APNU) General-Secretary, Joseph Harmon, had assured that house-to-house registration would achieve more than GRO could.

“There’s a whole process that leads to the production of a list of electors for an election and that process requires registration; it requires claims and objections and all of these issues are dealt with in this process. GECOM has to make the authoritative statement on the matter. GECOM is the custodian of the list and GECOM is the entity that will be responsible for ensuring that we have a clean list,” he said.

The High Court’s ruling on Thursday favored the 90-day stipulation for new elections in Guyana following the vote of no-confidence against the government. As it stands, there are now only 45 days remaining in this timeframe for the holding of elections or for an agreed upon extension by government and opposition by a two-thirds vote in National Assembly

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Key meeting of GECOM today

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The office of the Guyana Elections Commission (GECOM)

…commission remains split on house-to-house registration

WHEN the seven-member Guyana Elections Commission meets today, it will deliberate on a work plan presented to it by a technical committee, which will determine the amount of time the body needs to prepare for general and regional elections.

Chief Elections Officer Keith Lowenfield is reported by Demerarawaves as telling reporters on Monday that he presented copies of the work-plans to members of the Operations Sub-Committee. The online news outlet reported that when asked if the current voters’ list was good to run off a general election now, Lowenfield said “The list is clean; it has a life until the 30th of April” and “depending if the Commission so decides”.

But at least two commissioners– Vincent Alexander and Desmond Trotman– have been adamant that the voters’ list must be cleansed before any elections. However, even before the meeting, the Commissioners were once again at odds as the People’s Progressive Party (PPP)-nominated Commissioners are bent on approving a March, 2019 elections timeline.
Benn said the documents presented by GECOM give one timeline of July 2019 and another for about six months after house-to-house registration.

“The documents that have been presented are fabricating a situation to go beyond the constitutionally determined timeline,” Robeson Benn told the Guyana Chronicle. “The only acceptable timeline is the constitutionally determined timeline which is March 19 and that is still possible for elections to be held within that timeframe. That’s my view.”

The work plan, presented to the Sub-Committee on Monday, was prepared by the GECOM Secretariat and handed over to co-chairs Commissioners Sase Gunraj and Charles Corbin, and members Desmond Trotman and Benn. Gunraj had also confirmed to the newspaper that he received same around noon that day. The Commissioners had agreed last week to recommence progressive deliberations following previous stalemate on the matter.

The coalition parties believe that the current voters’ list is “compromised” and would be a grave injustice to Guyanese should the country move forward with it to elections. The parties said the list consists of thousands of dead persons and does not include many now eligible to vote. “I believe that the list is compromised. This is not only a list that we have to take off dead people or people who are removed from the community, this is a list where the PPP used their returning officers, in the villages where people are pro-PPP, to move people from one area to the next during local government elections and, therefore, we consider the list compromised,” People’s National Congress/Reform (PNC/R) General Secretary, Amna Ally, told the Guyana Chronicle last week Wednesday.

These are issues, she added, that the coalition parties have noticed in past and even the most recent elections. Ally said in Region Nine (Upper Takutu-Upper Essequibo), persons were moved by certain political affiliates from the neighbouring town of Bonfim in Brazil to Lethem with the aim of having them vote as residents. She noted that this is only one example and similar illegalities have occurred in places such as Coomacka; Hosororo; Wainaina and Mabaruma.

Court ruling
On January 31, 2019, acting Chief Justice (CJ) Roxane George-Wiltshire had ruled that the passage of the no-confidence motion was successful and, therefore, elections are to be held within the 90-day timeframe.
However, several ministers of government and members of society do not believe that GECOM can be ready for elections in the remaining days.

Many are calling for the $3B budgeted house-to-house registration to take place as this would clear the current list of dead persons and enable now- eligible persons to vote. In addition, the fact that Article 106(7) of the constitution provides for an extension of the 90-day period required by “not less than two-thirds of the votes of all the elected members of the National Assembly [to] determine,…” is now the reason for much debate.

PPP padded the list and yet lost still their worshippers here think next election will be a runaway..hehe. The more I see of PPP's actions the more I think the govt should stay its course and not give in to their (PPP's) crooked schemes.

GECOM is an independent body but has and can be influenced by politics.The padded list benefited the winner, now under scrutiny by James McAllister [a former PNC MP] it clearly shows the PNC padded the list.

 This is old fashion PNC Rigging election.

Prince posted:

Since 2015, 120, 000 people had died? Hard to wrap my arms around this facts.

The list has never been correct. Like all things Guyanese, laziness and inefficiency. But note the deceptive tactics of KP...suggesting that the 120K dead people actually voted. I'm being charitable to him by saying he is deceptive. He might actually be dumb and not undestand what he read.

Iguana posted:
Prince posted:

Since 2015, 120, 000 people had died? Hard to wrap my arms around this facts.

The list has never been correct. Like all things Guyanese, laziness and inefficiency. But note the deceptive tactics of KP...suggesting that the 120K dead people actually voted. I'm being charitable to him by saying he is deceptive. He might actually be dumb and not undestand what he read.

It was good enough for yall rass in 2015 though. Double standards just to stay in power. Not laziness but intentional deceit. 

Drugb posted:
Prince posted:

Since 2015, 120, 000 people had died? Hard to wrap my arms around this facts.

jackass, pnc drive them to death, where you bin? Mass suicide in Guyana, ask Cain. 

Now you want to bring fantasy into politics? Get serious, ok. 

Iguana posted:
Prince posted:

Since 2015, 120, 000 people had died? Hard to wrap my arms around this facts.

The list has never been correct. Like all things Guyanese, laziness and inefficiency. But note the deceptive tactics of KP...suggesting that the 120K dead people actually voted. I'm being charitable to him by saying he is deceptive. He might actually be dumb and not undestand what he read.

Why the taxpayers paying all these half dead PNC cults on the GECOM, maybe their names are on the Dead list. Yes, reptile you went to school all 12 months even on Sundays. The PNC had 31/2 years to clean up the voters list, just tell me what have they been doing all this time, filling Ballot boxes for 2020. Boy, is your own people exposed the slackness and figures, so read what James McAllister wrote, when you were in prep school I was at UG.

"Government Chief Whip, Amna Ally, told the Guyana Chronicle recently that she believes that the current voters’ list is “compromised” and one which has already been used by the opposition to solicit illegal votes."
 
This is why BJ was shocked..he realized  even though he padded the list...they lost.
cain posted:
"Government Chief Whip, Amna Ally, told the Guyana Chronicle recently that she believes that the current voters’ list is “compromised” and one which has already been used by the opposition to solicit illegal votes."
 
This is why BJ was shocked..he realized  even though he padded the list...they lost.

Stupid has no limit with FOOLS. BJ working at GECOM?? Damn Al Yuh STUPID fuh real Banna.

cain posted:
"Government Chief Whip, Amna Ally, told the Guyana Chronicle recently that she believes that the current voters’ list is “compromised” and one which has already been used by the opposition to solicit illegal votes."
 
This is why BJ was shocked..he realized  even though he padded the list...they lost.

Rass, she nah bin know this in March 2015?

kp posted:

. The PNC had 31/2 years to clean up the voters list, just tell me what have they been doing all this time, filling Ballot boxes for 2020. Boy, is your own people exposed the slackness and figures, so read what James McAllister wrote, when you were in prep school I was at UG.

After 28 years of Burnham dictatorship, the PPP had 23 years to clean up the list! Never happened, suh now they telling idiots like you that 120K people dead in 3 years. And the idiot you are, you believe it.

My sympathies that you were at UG and not afforded an undergraduate and graduate education in North America. Might explain why you are so patently IGNORANT and pedestrian in your thinking!

Look at this smelly reptile.

The PNC could not even build a toilet much less clean up the voters list. Those dead men who voted for them has now backfired on the smelly PNC. 

PNC couldn’t even build a toilet in four years. How can the people expect them to have a clean voters list ?

Look how PNC are running from court to court like whimps ! Jagdeo buss their balls and rubbed pepper !

The title of th is thread debases t he seriousness of the fraud being foisted on us here. For  the list to have 120K dead people on it means we have been compiling dead for over 3 elections cycle without any rehab work being don. We know that is bollox since it was deemed intact for the 2011 when it was completely rehabilitated. Alexander considers himself a bit of a statistician so he should know this amount of error in the system is pure fabrication. At most it can have around 25K or so.

I want to see a free and fair election and there should be no doubts whatsoever about the accuracy of the list so if that number is accurate then we need a new list for the next election. The next election will be a well fought and close one so both parties need to have a clean list. It would be interesting to see if GECOM reports on whether some of those people actually voted !

D2 posted:

The title of th is thread debases t he seriousness of the fraud being foisted on us here. For  the list to have 120K dead people on it means we have been compiling dead for over 3 elections cycle without any rehab work being don. We know that is bollox since it was deemed intact for the 2011 when it was completely rehabilitated. Alexander considers himself a bit of a statistician so he should know this amount of error in the system is pure fabrication. At most it can have around 25K or so.

So Gecom didn’t do their jobs. 

Dave posted:
D2 posted:

The title of th is thread debases t he seriousness of the fraud being foisted on us here. For  the list to have 120K dead people on it means we have been compiling dead for over 3 elections cycle without any rehab work being don. We know that is bollox since it was deemed intact for the 2011 when it was completely rehabilitated. Alexander considers himself a bit of a statistician so he should know this amount of error in the system is pure fabrication. At most it can have around 25K or so.

So Gecom didn’t do their jobs. 

The current list is adequate. GECOM is trying to delay the election to give the PNC time to consolidate their strategy. 

D2 posted:
Dave posted:
D2 posted:

The title of th is thread debases t he seriousness of the fraud being foisted on us here. For  the list to have 120K dead people on it means we have been compiling dead for over 3 elections cycle without any rehab work being don. We know that is bollox since it was deemed intact for the 2011 when it was completely rehabilitated. Alexander considers himself a bit of a statistician so he should know this amount of error in the system is pure fabrication. At most it can have around 25K or so.

So Gecom didn’t do their jobs. 

The current list is adequate. GECOM is trying to delay the election to give the PNC time to consolidate their strategy. 

Ok . 

skeldon_man posted:

That list also contains all the people who have legally migrated and those who have overstayed their visas in NA. PNC trying to get lucky. These frigging people are a curse to democracy in Guyana.

"lucky" . . . huh??

how exactly is purging the rolls of these non-residents not enhancing "democracy" in Guyana?

D2 posted:

The current list is adequate. 

"adequate" for what, sir?

you do understand that Guyana has less than 800,000 people, right?

this is not a 10,000,000 voters roll with plenty cushion against fraud

25,000, or even 10,000 illegal votes under these circumstances is a scandal that cannot be called "democracy"

ronan posted:
D2 posted:

The current list is adequate. 

"adequate" for what, sir?

you do understand that Guyana has less than 800,000 people, right?

this is not a 10,000,000 voters roll with plenty cushion against fraud

25,000, or even 10,000 illegal votes under these circumstances is a scandal that cannot be called "democracy"

Snowie a see all dem old bais like McAllister back in de delay tatic. Dem bais remind me of 1998. Hey hey hey...

ronan posted:
D2 posted:

The current list is adequate. 

"adequate" for what, sir?

you do understand that Guyana has less than 800,000 people, right?

this is not a 10,000,000 voters roll with plenty cushion against fraud

25,000, or even 10,000 illegal votes under these circumstances is a scandal that cannot be called "democracy"

A simple solution, let the 120K people who dead bring dem death certificate before they are allowed to vote. 

ronan posted:
skeldon_man posted:

That list also contains all the people who have legally migrated and those who have overstayed their visas in NA. PNC trying to get lucky. These frigging people are a curse to democracy in Guyana.

"lucky" . . . huh??

how exactly is purging the rolls of these non-residents not enhancing "democracy" in Guyana?

PNCdemocracy is an oxymoron.

ronan posted:
D2 posted:

The current list is adequate. 

"adequate" for what, sir?

you do understand that Guyana has less than 800,000 people, right?

this is not a 10,000,000 voters roll with plenty cushion against fraud

25,000, or even 10,000 illegal votes under these circumstances is a scandal that cannot be called "democracy"

Dead people cannot come to the precinct to vote. A bloated list as this represent the incompetence of GECOM. They are tasked to guarantee elections within 90 days. Running a elimination program with matching names from lists of the dead reported by the various collectors of such data should be a perfunctory activity. House to House check is designed to look for the living. If proper purging is on going the happenstance of meeting a home where a dead person is registered is minimal.

ronan posted:
D2 posted:

 Alexander considers himself a bit of a statistician

huh . . . what is the basis for this childishness?

do you know ANYTHING about the man's qualifications?

what are yours?

He does....I do know his qualifications. His posturing on this point  is political and one does not have possess a substantial vitae for such activity.

D2 posted:
ronan posted:
D2 posted:

The current list is adequate. 

"adequate" for what, sir?

you do understand that Guyana has less than 800,000 people, right?

this is not a 10,000,000 voters roll with plenty cushion against fraud

25,000, or even 10,000 illegal votes under these circumstances is a scandal that cannot be called "democracy"

Dead people cannot come to the precinct to vote. A bloated list as this represent the incompetence of GECOM. They are tasked to guarantee elections within 90 days. Running a elimination program with matching names from lists of the dead reported by the various collectors of such data should be a perfunctory activity. House to House check is designed to look for the living. If proper purging is on going the happenstance of meeting a home where a dead person is registered is minimal.

i have no time to waste running around in circles marking up what is essentially nonsense built on your contempt for and alienation from those currently sitting in Gov't

this is mostly about people who have migrated

James McAllister, cited at the top of the thread, already covered your shakeabatty

try to read

McAllister: "“There must be some sinister agenda by those clamoring for elections without house-to-house registration,” he began. “The 2012 Census recorded a population of 746,955. Of this, 39 per cent was less than 18. Using census figures from 1980, 1991, 2001, and 2012, I forecasted that the population in 2015 was approximately 745,600. Assuming that 39 per cent is below 18, then approximately 454,816 were over 18 and eligible to vote in 2015. Yet we had a votes list with 583,444 names. That is a whopping 128,600 plus dead or nonexistent persons.”

McAllister noted that this represents and overstating of the voting population on the recently used list by over 28 per cent. He added: “And this is assuming a 100 per cent registration of all eligible electors. If 90 per cent registration is assumed then the list was bloated by over 42 per cent. A list as flawed as this provided great opportunity for fraud and corruption.”

Presenting additional information to support the position, McAllister highlighted that the Guyana Elections Commission (GECOM) had declared a 71.26 per cent voter turnout for the 2015 elections.

However, he noted that looking at the current census figures and assuming a 90 per cent registration rate, the actually voter turnout was 102 per cent which represents more voters than people.
He added that even if one were to assume a 100 per cent registration rate which his highly improbable, the voter turnout in 2015 would then be 91 per cent, still a highly improbable turnout.

Another example he gave was that a large number of polling places where the Peoples Progressive Party/Civic (PPP/C) received the majority votes, the turnout is computed at more than 120 per cent.

“Even if we assume a 100 per cent, this scenario points to a high incidence of substitute voting. This is when someone impersonates an elector and votes in his or her place. It’s quite possible that the present voters list is bloated by as much as 35 per cent. Anyone suggesting going to elections with such a list has a sinister agenda. The PPP claim that such a list could be cleansed is just a plain joke. There must be house-to-house registration before elections in 2020,” McAllister concluded."

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