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Reply to "Tola suicide organization got competition"

Drugb posted:
antabanta posted:
Drugb posted:
GTAngler posted:
Drugb posted:
antabanta posted:

Yes. Are you suggesting that Tola and his organization are pushing people to suicide? Did you arrive at this from another cursory study of the newspapers?

You may be on to something here. At the very least his organization has been ineffective if you consider the measure of his success as result based. 

How do you measure success? What cost do you put on a human life? Please answer honestly. As far as I am concerned, if one life was saved, it's success. 

Success is result based. Ever since Tola's organization have operated in Guyana we have seen the suicide rate rising, we can assume zero impact. Today Guyana is at the 1 and 2 position as the country with the highest suicide rate per capita on two different rating systems.

We should not all be like cattle, afraid to question effectiveness and validity of these fly by night organizations because we are afraid to be labelled as politically incorrect. A lot of these groups are not held accountable, they hold fund raisers, solicit donations from businesses and individuals but offer no visibility into how the money is spent and what percent actually goes to help vulnerable people. In addition Tola was asked for years to provide this information about his organization but always found an excuse to dodge the questions. 

There is no evidence, nor can there be that would show that any lives were saved. What we can measure is from a holistic approach, the suicide rate over time. This is how the police measure crime fighting, pollution is measured etc. Why not suicide. 

How do you know the impact of the groups is zero? How do you know that the rate would not be higher without the groups?

Bai like yuh head hard, how can anyone prove that Tola prevented any suicide? You would need a time machine and two parallel universe to prove this. Run a parallel test with Tola's group involvement and one without then compare the results.  This is practically impossible. What we know for sure is that under Tola's tutelage the country suicide rate increased to the highest in the world. By inference one can surmise that he was ineffective. 

I haven't made any claims or accusations one way or the other. The impact of the organization would be evident from their records - very simple. Any dunce can see that the would have case files that can be perused. If they are working on cases that are suicidal then they're effective.

The question is, how do you know they're not? On what grounds are you accusing Tola of ineffectiveness? Or were you just experiencing another spasm of verbal diarrhea? You should seek medical assistance and stop these embarrassing posts. While you're at it, take the other idiots along. You might get a group rate from the doctor.

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