caribny posted:Stormborn posted:d. Philips want 18 percent of Guyana for the children of former slaves as reparation.I suggest that you learn some history. The Dutch hardly enslaved the Amerindians. They traded with them and Amerindians happily cooperated with the Dutch to capture and return escaped slaves. This is why Guyana never had the Maroon communities that Suriname developed.
And Amerindians must cease their hypocrisy. Various Amerindian groups invaded, conquered, brutalized and enslaved other Amerindian groups. I get the impression that the Waraus were at the bottom of the pile. They were NOT all singling happily and playing with each other until the "evil" European arrived. We all know what the Caribs did to the Tainos in the Caribbean and there were similar behaviors in Guyana.
By the time the British arrived Amerindians had already been decimated by disease or moved away from the coast. I dont even know how densely populated these areas were in any case prior to the endeavors of the Dutch and the African enslaved peoples to clear, drain and build sea defenses. The brutishness of the British was directed towards the coastal populations of GY.
There are real problems in these villages arising from the legacy of colonialism, just as there are in South Africa. Where Eric goes wrong is engaging in feats of jealousy towards certain groups. Africans lost much, but they also gained much, mainly earlier access to education.
By the early 21st century Africans, Indians and mixed identified people were equally poor, though manifesting their poverty in different ways. Amerindians easily are the poorest and most excluded and really dont benefit from this land "entrusted" to them.
Eric too must cease his own hypocrisy as when the Coalition took over GT City Council it was blacks who bull dozed blacks and destroyed their stalls, without making alternate arrangements for these people to dwell and earn a living. Neither Africans nor Indians are a monolithic group and all elites in Guyana have engaged in brutal behavior, not only across ethnic lines but also WITHIN ethnic groups.
I appreciate a more sophisticated analysis and I think that Eric's demands are being conflated by the real concerns of ALL villages that too little decision making occurs within their entities and too much goes to the NDCs which are proving to be quite corrupt and incompetent.
Amerindians were enslaved and their land taken whole scale. Those are the facts about how they came under the dominion of alien powers. Being "allowed" to stay within these dominions and earning their keep at the dispensation of the new suzerains was not their way. Forced to comply or die is enforced slavery.
It is amazing how Africa is considered of Africans because that is who lived there and no one ever disputed Kilimanjaro for example is not African because Africans did not inhabit the place. There is a famous tale of a Columbia archaeologists who surveyed the plains at the foothills of the Andes near Bolivia and concluded the people there were impoverished primitives who recently moved there.
It took aircraft surveyed that these people were the original inhabitants and the were not primitive people but remnants of a once vast culture that created the world largest agricultural lands by diverting the rivers etc. Their present condition was so because European diseases etc wiped them up. They are arawaks. If Amerindians live from the north pole to tierra del fuego and further south why did they never see the Rupunini? The faux historian selectively read the historical records and you with him are dispensing bunk history. As long as the wai wais and Wapishans are south American natives they are indigenous. The Guyana border fell on them. Their territorial claims as native peoples is to the whole damn continent. They are settling for a piece of soil in the in the that Philip now grudgingly wants to deny them on duncified history.
No other group has natural patrimony. All others are imports. We received the lands from the Brits who stole it from native peoples. They they give it back to the imports and natives. The idea that the inheritors of this land is now to pay grievance wages owed by the British is absurd. We all live here and that is the damn pay.
BTW, I do not want to be inculcated in history as delivered by you and Phillips.