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Reply to "Not a Sermon only a Thought"

ksazma posted:

I was going to get to the Moses response next as that was next CRI's list that you cited. Jesus was nothing like Moses because if he was you wouldn't be worshipping him so I wouldn't bore you with arguing over that. As I stated before, Muhammad does not need the Bible to assert his existence. Last night I pointed out that Homer may be no more than a figment of people's imagination. But it is good that you posted that verse about since Moses there has not been IN ISRAEL a prophet like Moses who God knew face to face. This denies Jesus and similarly with Jesus but it also excludes that prophet from being an Isrealite. Secondly, Muhammad did meet God face to face when he made his night journey to heaven. In fact even the angel Gabriel was not allowed to go to the highest heaven A's Muhammad so CRI's argument is completely flawed. Lastly, Muhammad did perform miracles and they can be better verified than those of any other person.

I will address the others one by one.

According to Wiki, a source you love to quite, "According to historian Denis Gril, the Qur'an does not overtly describe Muhammad performing miracles, and the supreme miracle of Muhammad is finally identified with the Qur'an itself"

In my opinion, it is the rather explicit teaching of the Quran that Muhammad performed no supernatural, verifiable miracles apart from the inspiration that he received. The Quran in several places emphatically negates the idea of Muhammad performing physical feats such as raising the dead, healing the sick, opening physically blind eyes etc. I have list citations here in order for you to see the Quran’s outright denial that Muhammad was able to perform the miraculous.

And they that know not say, "Why does God not speak to us? Why does a sign (ayatun) not come to us?" So spoke those before them as these men say; their hearts are much alike. Yet We have made clear the signs (bayyanna al-ayati) unto a people who are sure. S. 2:118.

Yet if thou shouldst bring to those that have been given the Book every sign (ayatun), they will not follow thy direction; thou art not a follower of their direction, neither are they followers of one another's direction. If thou followest their caprices, after the knowledge that has come to thee, then thou wilt surely be among the evildoers. S. 2:145.

They also say, "Why has no sign (ayatun) been sent down upon him from his Lord?" Say: 'Surely God is able to send down a sign (ayatan), but most of them know not.' S. 6:37.

They have sworn by God the most earnest oaths if a sign (ayatun) comes to them they will believe in it. Say, "Signs (al-ayatu) are only with God." What will make you realize that, when it comes, they will not believe? S. 6:109

They say, "Why has a sign (ayatun) not been sent down upon him from his Lord?" Say, "The Unseen belongs only to God. Then watch and wait; I shall be with you watching and waiting." S. 10:20.

The unbelievers say, "Why has a sign (ayatun) not been sent down upon him from his Lord?" Thou art ONLY a warner, and a guide to every people. S. 13:7.

The preceding text presupposes that Muhammad’s only function was to warn people, not to perform miracles. After all, the statement "Thou art ONLY a warner" would make no sense if a warner could in fact perform wonders. In other words, being a warner wouldn’t preclude Muhammad from doing any signs unless, of course, the point being made by the Quran is that such individuals who assumed this role were not empowered to do miracles.

The next text further illustrates this point, "Then, it may be that you will give up part of what is revealed to you and your breast will become straightened by it because they say: Why has not a treasure been sent down upon him or an angel come with him? You are ONLY a warner; and Allah is custodian over all things. S. 11:12 Shakir"

I.e., "since you are only a warner it is not your job to perform miracles since you haven’t been given that ability. Rather, your job is to simply exhort and admonish people."

The unbelievers say, "Why has a sign (ayatun) not been sent down upon him from his Lord?" Say: 'God leads astray whomsoever He will, and He guides to Him all who are penitent.' S. 13:27

Naught prevented Us from sending the signs (bial-ayati) but that the ancients cried lies to them; and We brought Thamood the She-camel visible, but they did her wrong. And We do not send the signs, except to frighten. S. 17:59

This last passage is one of the clearest proofs that Muhammad did absolutely no miracles whatsoever. The text says that Allah refrained from providing miracles, which would make no sense at all if Muhammad did indeed perform signs and wonders. Regarding this verse, the late Sunni scholar Muhammad Asad candidly admitted:

This highly elliptic sentence has a fundamental bearing on the purport of the Qur'an as a whole. In many places the Qur'an stresses the fact that the Prophet Muhammad, despite his being the last and greatest of God's apostles, WAS NOT EMPOWERED TO PERFORM MIRACLES similar to those with which the earlier prophets are said to have reinforced their verbal messages. His ONLY miracle was and is the Qur'an itself a message perfect in its lucidity and ethical comprehensiveness, destined for all times and all stages of human development, addressed not merely to the feelings but also to the minds of men, open to everyone, whatever his race or social environment, and bound to remain unchanged forever.

So ksazma, the Quran explicitly says that Muhammad performed no miracles apart from the alleged inspiration he received. His only miracle was supposedly the Quran. The claim that the word al-bayyinat implies that Muhammad did perform miracles is not substantiated by the data since the term is used in reference to Muhammad receiving or reciting the Quran. In other words, Muhammad’s clear signs, his al-bayyinat, were nothing more than the Quran itself.

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