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seignet posted:

There were several Qurans that existed. A documentary was aired a few years ago on the subject. After the death of Mohammad, words compiled by others were issued as qurans. Somewhat like the Gospels. 

At the time Islam planned the invasion of Christendom, the Caliphate was quite aware of the different sects of christians and how they interpreted the the wriiten words of the Apostles. There was no Bible at that time.

Islam, as an organized faith, perhaps the first, ever. And long before the Catholic Church. Heretics were banished, put to death and have their works(qurans) burnt. Thus remaining supposedly, Mohammad's version.

The Caliphate was not going have none of the supposedly confusion as the Christians were having.  Other thoughts and thinking were suppressed into the idea that the writings from Mohammad was from God himself.

I doan think God is a confused Being. He had already given Enoch, the seventh from Adam, His commands, explanations, statutes and His plans for the atonement of mankind sins in the personage of the Elect One. Enoch saw the fire that inscribed the words, today it may be interpreted as laser technology. Methuselah was handed thebooks by his father and given specific instructions to be sure it was handed down all the way to Noah.

Islam can boast of the millions who read the authentic Arabic words. How many understand the langauge? Are they just mouthing the beauty of the chants? They cannot question anything. They are programmed like the children in the madrasahs. They read only the Quran. It is the same as just listen, you do not  have to read.

Just accept what is given.

The Holy Roman Catholic Church was like that too. Only Latin was the language of the Holy Book. To have the Book in another language was unheard of and the those who listened only listened. The masses followed the motions, listened to the chants, can't read only repeated. Fearing the scorch of fire at the stake, many cardinals just followed the church doctrines.

For centuries, the Roman Catholic Church behaved as if they spoke for God.

Then a Catholic Priest in England, Wycliffe would translate the Latin into Old English for the English People. Today, his efforts has paid off in the thousands of languages the Bible has been printed into. Perhaps, there are some wrong interpretation, but the essence of God doan need volumes of incantations. God is always present in the hearts of mankind, He doan need to be studied. 

Ofcourse the Catholic Church din let Wycliffee get away with it. Labelled  a

heretic they hounded him. Persecution of his parishers for daring to want the Holy Book for their edification. 

The Catholic Church prevailed.

After another 100 years Hurt was burnt at the stake for demanding parishers be preached to in their language.

The Catholic Prevailed again.

Another 100 years came Martin Luther, he also was a Catholic Priest. 

Just like the prophets before Christ, Christ came as fulfillment of scriptures.

The same way, after thousands of years, Gods words to Enoch is given in thousand of langauges. No conversion is necessary, anyone can commune with God. He did say, the human body is a temple.


Sagga bai, yuh nah making sense. The first Qur'an word uttered by Muhammad was READ! اقْرَأْ

اقْرَأْ بِاسْمِ رَبِّكَ الَّذِي خَلَق

خَلَقَ الْإِنسَانَ مِنْ عَلَقٍ

اقْرَأْ وَرَبُّكَ الْأَكْرَمُ

الَّذِي عَلَّمَ بِالْقَلَمِ

عَلَّمَ الْإِنسَانَ مَا لَمْ يَعْلَمْ

Read: In the name of thy Lord who createth

Createth man from a clot

Read: And thy Lord is the Most Bounteous

Who teacheth by the pen

Teacheth man that which he knew not.


Reading and researching has always been the culture of the Qur'an. Why do you think more Muslims are more familiar with other religions than the other way around? How do you think I can navigate myself around the Bible the way I do if it wasn't because of natural curiosity? If you want to see where that culture began, just read Muhammad's own words, "seek knowledge even if you have to travel to China". And that is only one example. It was because of the high esteem that the Arabs had for academia that drove them to preserve all the writings of old that people still use today. You are living in an outdated circumstance which was able to make false claims that there was no higher learning outside of Europe but the world has chance and the truth is out that there was indeed higher learning outside of Europe and in fact some of Europe records was preserved by others previously portrayed as useless. Wake up my brother.