Reply to "Not a Sermon only a Thought"

ksazma posted:
Keith posted:

To understand Jesus’ response to the rich young ruler’s you are referring too in your statement let look at he question being asked.

Question: "What must I do to be saved?"

We must consider three things: the background of the rich young ruler, the purpose of his question, and the essence of the gospel of Jesus Christ. The young man had asked Jesus, "Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?", Matthew 19:16. Jesus responded, "If you want to enter life, keep the commandments" (verse 19). It appears that Jesus is saying that the young man and, by extension, all people must obey the commandments in order to be saved. But is that really what He was saying? Since the essence of the salvation message is that we are saved by grace through faith (Ephesians 2:8–9), why would Jesus offer the rich young ruler an "alternative plan"?

 

In His conversation with the rich young ruler, Christ did not teach that we are saved by the works of the Law. The Bible’s message is that salvation is by grace through faith (Romans 3:20, 28; 4:6; Galatians 2:16; Ephesians 2:9; 2 Timothy 1:9). Rather, Jesus used the man’s love of money to show how the man fell short of God’s holy standard as do we all. The rich young ruler needed the Savior, and so do we.

Let us understand what is it we are reading and not just read to make hieratical remarks because at the end of those remarks you might end up looking foolish due to a lack understand.

Dude, why do you always tell people that they look foolish when if you were a decent honest person, you would have to admit that it is you who look foolish. At the top you quoted the passage where Jesus told the man to follow the commands to get to heaven but then foolishly went on to say that Jesus was not saying that. With friends like you, does Jesus really need enemies. You are now saying that Jesus was lying to the man. Grace was not a belief of anyone prior to Paul introducing it into the discussion. Jesus knew nothing about grace. He knew nothing about Ephesians, Romans, Galatians or Timothy. Those are all Paul's mischief and they are totally against what Jesus preached and practiced. He was vigilant about following the commands and fought with other when he thought they weren't.

So next time you feel like jumping on your high horse telling others that they look foolish, stop and think for once. You will realize that it is you who look foolish with the things you post.

Take some lessons from me on how to properly propose a thought. I use historical data and form a cohesive conclusion. You instead ramble on and on.

Back to the question you asked Skeldon_man.

Jesus did not tell the man anything about grace when the man asked him about how to get to heaven. He just told him to follow the commands. But he did something even before he told the man to follow the commands. HE REPRIMANDED THE MAN FOR EQUATING HE (JESUS) WITH GOD BY TELLING THE MAN, "WHY CALL ME GOOD, THE ONLY ONE WHO IS GOOD IS GOD". Just like Muhammad believed that the way to get to heaven is by following the commands, so did Jesus, his cousin John and all others who came before them believed the same thing. The first person that deviated from every other believer in God regarding heaven was Paul and those who follow his teachings don't follow Jesus and are not on his side. Muslims are in line with Jesus' beliefs while Christians are in line with Paul's teachings.

It pays to read and understand what you are reading. Something is wrong with your ability to comprehend...In a nut shell the lesson being thought was YOUR GOOD DEEDS would not get you to the kingdom of God, in other words, heaven.

The following is resource from Ravi Zacharias:

 If you ask most people what you have to do to get into heaven (assuming they believe in heaven or an afterlife), the overwhelming response will be some form of “being a good person.” Most, if not all, religions and worldly philosophies are ethically based. Whether it’s Islam, Judaism, or secular humanism, the teaching is common that getting to heaven is a matter of being a good person—following the Ten Commandments or the precepts of the Quran or the Golden Rule. But is this what Christianity teaches? Is Christianity just one of many world religions that teach that being a good person will get us into heaven? Let’s examine Matthew 19:16–26 for some answers; it is the story of the rich young ruler.

The first thing we note in this story is that the rich young ruler is asking the right question: “What good deed must I do to have eternal life?” In asking the question, he acknowledges the fact that, despite all his efforts thus far, there is something lacking, and he wants to know what else must be done to obtain eternal life. However, even though he is asking the right question, he is asking it from the wrong worldview—that of merit (“What good deed must I do...”); he has failed to grasp the true meaning of the Law, as Jesus will point out to him, which was to serve as a tutor until the time of Christ (Galatians 3:24).

The second thing to note is Jesus’ response to his question. Jesus asks a question in return: why is he inquiring into what is good? In other words, Jesus is trying to get to the heart of the matter, namely, that no one is good and no one does good except God. As noted earlier, the man is operating under a false premise: that man is able to do that which is good and earn his way into heaven. To make His point, Jesus says that, if he wants eternal life, he should keep the commandments. In saying this, Jesus is not advocating a works-based righteousness. Rather, Jesus is challenging the young man’s suppositions by showing the man’s shallow understanding of the Law and human ability.

The young man’s response is very telling. When told to keep the commandments, he asks Jesus, “Which ones?” Jesus continues to gently show the man the error of his ways by giving him the second table of the Law, i.e., the commandments that deal with our relationships to other people. You can almost sense the frustration in the young man’s response when he tells Jesus that he has kept all of these since his youth. Two things to point out here: first, the irony in the young man’s response. In saying he has kept all those commandments since his youth, he has broken the commandment regarding false witness. If he were truly being honest, he would have said that, as hard as he has tried to keep the commandments, he fails on a daily basis. He has a shallow understanding of the Law and an inflated opinion of his own ability. Second, he still knows that he is not good enough; he asks Jesus, “What do I still lack?”

Jesus now confronts the young man’s self-righteousness. He tells him that, if he wishes to be perfect (i.e., complete), he must sell all that he has and come follow Him. Jesus has perfectly diagnosed the man’s “lack”—his attachment to his wealth. The man’s great wealth has become an idol in his life. He claimed to have kept all the commandments, but in reality he couldn’t even keep the first one, to have no other gods before the Lord! The young man turned his back on Jesus and walked away. His god was his wealth, which he chose over Jesus.

Jesus now turns to His disciples to teach them a principle: “Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to enter the kingdom of God.” This was shocking to the disciples, who held the common idea that riches were a sign of God’s blessing. But Jesus points out the obstacle that riches often are, in their tendency to fuel self-sufficiency. His disciples ask, “Who then can be saved?” Jesus answers by reminding the disciples that salvation is of God: “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”

Who can be saved? If left up to man alone, no one! Why is being a good person not enough to get you into heaven? Because no one is a “good” person; there is only one who is good, and that is God Himself. The Bible says that all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God (Romans 3:23). The Bible also says that the wages of our sin is death (Romans 6:23a). Fortunately, God did not wait until we somehow learned to be “good”; while we were in our sinful state, Christ died for the unrighteous (Romans 5:8).

Salvation is not based on our goodness but on Jesus’ goodness. If we confess with our mouth that Jesus is Lord, and believe in our hearts that God raised him from the dead, we will be saved (Romans 10:9). This salvation in Christ is a precious gift, and, like all true gifts, it is unearned (Romans 6:23b; Ephesians 2:8–9). The message of the gospel is that we can never be good enough to get to heaven. We must recognize that we are sinners who fall short of God’s glory, and we must obey the command to repent of our sins and place our faith and trust in Jesus Christ. Christ alone was good enough to earn heaven, and He gives His righteousness to those who believe in His name (Romans 1:17).

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