Keith posted:ksazma posted:Keith posted:ksazma posted:
Nice try Keith but you are not dealing with a rookie. Do yourself a favor and do some research on the real contradictions in the Bible. Nothing to do with time, context or viewpoint. Nothing to do with figurative or literal. Real contradictions. We can go over them one by one without seeking to conceal them with all the sermon stuff. Are you prepared to do that.
Present one and lets have a discussion
Here is one for you Keith.
According to Luke, Zorobabel's father is Salathiel and Salathiel's father is Neri.
However, according to Matthew, Zorobabel's father is Salathiel but Salathiel's father is Jechonias.
Although there are thousands more, I chose Jesus' genealogy because I know you wish to remain focused on Jesus.
Answer: Once again understand what you are reading before you post. Did you ever read the bible from Genesis to Revelation? I assume you never did and even if you did you probable care not to understand and just have that as a notch to say I read the bible from beginning to end. With that being said allow me to educate you both. As you pointed out
Jesus' genealogy is given in two places in Scripture: Matthew 1 and Luke 3:23-38. Matthew traces the genealogy from Jesus to Abraham. Luke traces the genealogy from Jesus to Adam. However, there is good reason to believe that Matthew and Luke are in fact tracing entirely different genealogies. For example, Matthew gives Joseph's father as Jacob (Matthew 1:16), while Luke gives Joseph's father as Heli (Luke 3:23). Matthew traces the line through David's son Solomon (Matthew 1:6), while Luke traces the line through David's son Nathan (Luke 3:31). In fact, between David and Jesus, the only names the genealogies have in common are Shealtiel and Zerubbabel (Matthew 1:12; Luke 3:27).
Like you and many others point to these differences as evidence of errors in the Bible. However, the Jews were meticulous record keepers, especially in regard to genealogies. It is inconceivable that Matthew and Luke could build two entirely contradictory genealogies of the same lineage. Again, from David through Jesus, the genealogies are completely different. Even the reference to Shealtiel and Zerubbabel likely refer to different individuals of the same names. Matthew gives Shealtiel's father as Jeconiah while Luke gives Shealtiel's father as Neri. It would be normal for a man named Shealtiel to name his son Zerubbabel in light of the famous individuals of those names, read the books of Ezra and Nehemiah.
According to and historian, Eusebius, "Matthew is tracing the primary, or biological, lineage while Luke is taking into account an occurrence of "levirate marriage." If a man died without having any sons, it was tradition for the man’s brother to marry the widow and have a son who would carry on the deceased man’s name." His theory, "Melchi (Luke 3:24) and Matthan (Matthew 1:15) were married at different times to the same woman, tradition names her Estha. This would make Heli (Luke 3:23) and Jacob (Matthew 1:15) half-brothers. Heli then died without a son, and so his (half-)brother Jacob married Heil’s widow, who gave birth to Joseph. This would make Joseph the "son of Heli" legally and the “son of Jacob” biologically. Thus, Matthew and Luke are both recording the same genealogy (Joseph’s), but Luke follows the legal lineage while Matthew follows the biological."
I wonder if what you wrote above made you as dizzy as it made me. That is one helluva roundabout explanation. Maybe that works in your church but it wouldn't with clear thinking people.
Now lets put all that gymnastics aside and deal with just the names I referenced.
1. Is Zorababel in Matthew 1:16 and Zorababel in Luke 3:22 the same person?
Just a yes or no answer please. Thanks.