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Who was Judas to Jesus before the crucifixion? What role did he play amongst the disciples of Jesus? How long was he one of the twelve disciples and at what point was he no more one of those twelve disciples?
Did Jesus tell his twelve disciples (including Judas) that they will sit on thrones with him in heaven and judge the twelve tribes of Israel? Yes or No.
Answer: "And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel" (Matthew 19:28).
Judas forfeited his position when he betrayed Jesus in the garden of Gethsemane (Matthew 26:48). Judas later committed suicide (27:5).
Did Jesus tell his twelve disciples which included Judas at the time that they will sit on thrones and judge the twelve tribes of Israel before Judas forfeited his position? Yes or No?
Note how short my question is. No need to respond with a whole book. Just a simple yes or no. Thank you.
Answer: Have you not read what I wrote in previous post concerning Matthew 19:28.
Was Judas amongst the disciples when Jesus made the promise in Matthew 19:28? Yes or no?
Answer: Have you not read what I wrote in previous post concerning Matthew 19:28. Draw your own conclusion from that.
By the way, you shifted some words in your Matthew 19:28 quote above but nonetheless it still includes Judas amongst the 12 disciples who will sit on thrones and judge the twelve tribes of Israel. Are you now willing to admit that Judas was also included in Jesus promise in Matthew 19:28 or are you still going to stubbornly pretend that he wasn't included.
Answer: First of all I did not add nor shift words pertaining to the Matthew 19:28. Just for you I will post the different translations below. Secondly, read, read and read what I have posted in previous post and draw your own conclusion. Judas is no where in heaven waiting to judge anyone.
Matthew 19:28King James Version (KJV)
28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
Matthew 19:28New International Version (NIV)
28 Jesus said to them, “Truly I tell you, at the renewal of all things, when the Son of Man sits on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
Where is the shift?
Judas forfeited his position when he betrayed Jesus in the garden of Gethsemane. Jesus knew what Judas was contemplating, yet still called him "friend".
Notice the words, "that ye which have followed me". Judas did follow Jesus for a while, but in the end he did not follow Jesus. That is why he forfeited his position. According to Acts (1:24-26), Matthias was added to the eleven apostles.
24 And they prayed and said, “You, O Lord, who know the hearts of all, show which of these two You have chosen 25 to take part in this ministry and apostleship from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place.” 26 And they cast their lots, and the lot fell on Matthias. And he was numbered with the eleven apostles.