caribny posted:Zed posted:. For example, Indo Guyanese supporting an Indian cricket team in Guyana are criticized as being clannish while it seems ok for Afro Guyanese to support the West Indian team in England, or some arguing that those shot protesting against hikes in electricity fees by police deserve it while others define it as oppression, brutality, unjustified.
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I am sure that even you recognize that there is a difference between some one born in the Caribbean (or in rare instances) some one whose parents were born in the Caribbean and some one whose great great grandfathers were born in India.
A first or second generation UK resident of Caribbean origin has way more rights to claim an identity based in the Caribbean than some one whose ancestors most likely had arrived in Guyana in the 1890s.
I will expect a Caribbean born person resident in the USA, or whose parents were born there to cheer Usain Bolt. The notion that an Indo Guyanese will support India against the West Indies is weird.
Your example does lend credence to a notion of clannishness.
And in fact the fastest growing part of the UK black population consists of people who refuse to identify as either "Caribbean" or "African". The vast majority of these are believed to be 3rd or 4th generation blacks of Caribbean origin. The identification with the Caribbean lasts among those born in the Caribbean and SOME of their kids born in the UK. Their grand kids don't identify with the Caribbean and proudly wave the Union Jack, even though there are still many who query their right to call themselves "British".
Caribny,
1. please post the sources for the info you used for your argument.
2. The Indo Guyanese who support the India team, what generation are they? and please post your source. Please post data on what geneation of West Indians cheered and danced for the visiting West Indian team in Britain. Surprisingly. I heard the same argument that you make from lots of Brits at that time.
3. What is so "weird" about supporting the Indian team against theWest Indies? I know a second and third generation Brazilian family in Britain supporting the Brazilian soccer team against the British soccer team, so too the Irish. How about the second generation Portuguese family from Guyana living in Australia supporting the West Indian team against the Australian team? Many anecdotal examples.
4. Tell us about cultural enclave communities and what forces encourage their continued existence over generations. Not only in Guyana, but in developed countries, and not only East Indians, but also, Irish, Germans, Italians, Ukranians, Chinese, Polish, etc.
I experience a high degree of discomfort when in an argument one uses data as you have done without sourcing it. I prefer to read it to determine if the statements are reflective of the contents.
It all about narrative, the lens, your cognitive structure. So, if someone was to support an Indian team, even though that person has lived in a non-enclave community for over forty years, consider himself/herself black and East Indian, come from a family of diverse culture background and connections then that person was displaying clannish behaviour? At times, it is just a personal preference, keeping in mind what I wrote in my first post. To label it as an expression of being "clannish" is a far fetch.