quote:Originally posted by caribj:quote:Originally posted by kidmost:
To state the cooperativism is alien to africa and people of african descent is laughable. It has prevailed and succeeded in most cultures. The reason why Burnham's failed is simply because the entire thing was too politicized.
Why should blacks tolerate racism and discrimination within their own race ? The English still sh1t on the Irish and north indians still view south indians as inferior ! Arab muslems still see black muslims as inferior . Spain still does not recognize latin americans as spanish hence Hispanics or spics . African natives do not respect afro americans and indian nationals view indo caribbeans as ****** indians and so on and so on . Point is , when there is self respect and communal cooperation there is power and strength . I tell you now afro americans find africans as comedic beings and jungle bunnies and I sh1t you not.
Employers discriminate no matter their ethnicity simply because of stereotyping. Most of Liberty Ave as with the majority of small business and Mom & Pop businesses cannot afford federal minimum wages nor insurance and pensions and anyone who thinks in these terms are simply beating their heads against a wall. Get real , pull your head out of your a55 and see that the social economies of yesteryear are gone and are not coming back so get creative and innovative .
Dude black leadership have continously failed blacks and continue to do so and folks like blame others for their demise . Why should the indo or white be blamed ???? The public sector in Guyana and USA have always been more lenient to blacks while the private sector is uncontrolled and unregulated therefore , anyone can have access in this sector .
In 2002 I never threatened to shoot black people , I threatened to shoot anyone who continued to violate the rights and security of east indians , who by the way are pu55ies ! I said if the PNC and their surrogates choose/elect to get even with the PPP by attacking indians they indians must fight back . SO F#@K ME IF THAT IS BEING RACIST !
Moron I never said blacks should not buy from indians I said blacks need to support blacks business just as the Chinese and Portuguese did which made they a significant force of the private sector .
You can put all the twists and spins you wish on things the fact is, people like you fuel blacks to be enraged and hate and be dependent on handouts and alms when in fact they have the capacity to grow and expand in the private sector . BTW , my electrician is a black jamaican and I refer all my customers and client to him why ? because he damn f#@king good , reliable , honest and professional . I do not use Indoa guyanese contractors because they are scamps and full of cock . Frankly , I dont give a sh1t what you and others think what I say is a friken fact....
This is where you go wrong. There are no "Africans" in Guyana if you mean a link to continental Africa. What ever culture of cooperation existed among Africans in Africa was destroyed by slavery and colonialism. To say that AfroGuyanese and other TransAtlantic blacks have a tradition in cooperation because their ancestors in Africa did is irrelevant. Maybe they did in 1650 but many years have passed and the authorities (INCLUDING BURNHAM) made sure that any culture of cooperation between TransAtlantic blacks was destroyed.
To Say Burnham ensure any vestiages of cultural links by and between afro Guyanese and africa was destroyed by Burnham is laughbable. Look , I can understand your anger with Burnham for not empowering afro Guyanese more but to blame him for severing any remnants of cultural vestigaes is truely laughable .Look , fact of the matter is afro Guyanese had access to african root cutlure and traditions but they elected to be anglo in very sense of the meaning so dont go blaming slavery and Burnham. How come you aint got an african name ? at least Sidney King had the guts and balz to change his name to an africanized one . BUt hear this , you are not alone cause plenty Indians now giving their kinds anglo names . They too are in the process of losing their indentity and soon their culture and traditions . Look , I give all my kids indian names and I would be damned iof they give their kids anglo names . Imagine a coolie man walking up to you and saying my name is Alexander or Sean or something like that ? My wife is a indian roman catholic and she was given an anglo name . Since she married me she wanted to change her name to an indian name but has not because of her religion . I am not angry with her as she has to deal with her own indentity . My kids all got married hindu style while my wife made sure they did a christain or muslim ceremony so as not to disrespect .
Slavery and colonialism taught blacks not to trust each other and to find individual ways to survive. This is the base of the culture. This is what the people know and to introduce a concept which is alien to them is a nonstarter.
People are not taught to distrust their own kind , it is something they experience and learn from it .
I also wonder why when ever the topic of blacks come up you always get to black leadership.
Why do you think ? because black leadership has failed the blackman . In guyana in the USA in africa . did you not read the threads about indian business leaders who led indian consumers into bankruptcy and loss of homes ? we have the address what is true and not delude ourselves . but then again , you seem to prefer delusion.
Well what leadership to Indians in RH have? Ed Ahmad? Should they be blamed for this? No. Like every body else, including blacks, they will do their best with what ever tools they have at their disposal and if any one tries to block their progress using race this should be dealt with, whether it was the PNC or whether it is some white employer in NYC.
Indo carribeans have been f ed by their leaders too but thank god for their cutural heritage and traditions they are able to rise to the surface from exploitation and abuse . These indians who called themselves leaders will be jailed and punished and the Indian community will hopefully learn that honesty and ethics are the passports of success .
And where do you get off on the notion that blacks are some sheep led by called "leaders". Another trait we learnt in slavery is we dont trust our leaders. Even MLK had to struggle mightily to win the support of his people. There were many who didnt want to cooperate with him.
Isnt that the same dilemna indo guyanese are facing today with the PPP ?
If some one uses race as a criteria to determine who they hire, who they purchase goods and services from or who they offer contracts to THEY ARE RACISTS!!!!
No it is not racist because racism has mny connotations used when applicable . Does a roman catholic discriminate when non christians are denied holy communion ? You go overboard on the term racism a term which has been misused and abused for decades . Get over the term !
You have a jamaican electrician because he is good and honest. Yet you endorse racists in Guyana who would not give him an opportunity becaus ehe is of another ethnic group. You then suggest that he should not protest against this. The facts are it is not only those who are discriminated against who suffer, but its those who accept low qualityy work, or high cost services instead of utlizing those who desreve patronage, or employment.
Yes I agree that small IndoGuyaneee business cant offer competitive wages and benefits. This is why most IndoGuyanese who can do better find work elsewhere. Now suppose the white man told them go find work from your own people and leave us to hire only whites? You would be the loudest to scream RACE!! Because even though you own your own business if you depend mainly on IndoGuyanese for patronage your success is tied to their incomes and if their incomes are tied to impoverished businesses than that means they have less to spend on you. And if you DONT depend on IndoGuyanese then if others told you to get lost because you are not of their group, regardless as to how deserving you may be then you lose.
I hire and employ people who can get the job done , are honest and subscribe to good high ethics regardless of race and religion . Suppose your nose was a doorpost you are so full of supposes you f yourself before penetration. Bottom line dude people have to become motivated , invest in their own skills and capabilities etc. Look , over the 30 years I been in real estate I hired and fired more people than you can count . If I feel they lack the skills I tell them they need to seek another course before they sink themselves so , am I being racist when I fired an indian , russian , jew , muslim , american anglo , asian etc ????? I do not depend on the indoa GUyanese not indoa caribbean market to exist and or survive . In fact I do not depend on any niche ethnic market.