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August 21,2017  Source

The United States has seen last week some ugly violence by people who want to glorify and worship the images of people, places and events whose role are far from positive within the history of the USA. Southern white supremacist pay homage to statutes of men who fought to preserve what perhaps all historians have come to agree is the most vicious and violent episode in the history of the world – slavery.
We, in Guyana, should have a better insight into the danger of hero-worshipping wrong leaders. For over sixty years, Guyanese from both side of the ethnic divide in and out of the territory are tenacious in their belief that Burnham was the greatest hero Guyana produced, while the other half says it is Cheddi Jagan. What is extremely sad is that this binary comes in emotional wrappings; not from aging semi-literate folks who cannot string concepts together, therefore their intellectual limitations make them perpetuate the myths of Burnham and Jagan. It come s from men and women who have university degrees, teach at universities and have written books. When it comes to Burnham and Jagan, they happily throw into the garbage their first rate training and take refuge in the irrational mind.
I was interviewed in May 2015 by an Indian Guyanese writer on the politics of Guyana at that time. While chatting with her, it was clear to me that she sees Guyanese politics through Indian and not scholarly eyes; eyes sympathetic to Cheddi and Janet Jagan. She told me she was doing a biography of Janet Jagan. I immediately told her that is a formidable task because Mrs. Jagan was perhaps the most Stalinist leader this country produced and she has to do deep research.
I have learnt two years after that the book is a saccharine treatment of Mrs. Jagan without even a modicum of proper research. This travesty is a continuing insult to the historiography of this country. There are a dwindling few of us left who see good and bad in both Burnham and Dr Jagan. We are getting on in age and therefore it is an historical and nationalistic obligation to Guyana that younger scholars demolish the myths this binary continues to propagate about the unlimited heroism of Jagan and Burnham.
In this context, Dr. David Hinds’ latest piece yesterday in his column on Burnham needs to be quoted. He wrote; “The second narrative about Burnham is that of the dictator who was impatient with internal democracy and critics of his stewardship and who used the power of the institutions at his disposal to ruthlessly snuff out such dissent. This narrative, while correct, silences Burnham’s attempt at progressive policies and heaps every political sin at his doorstep. The narrative of the dictator is spot on. Burnham’s rule reflected a deep authoritarian instinct in our political culture which was shaped on the very plantation we fought to overthrow. And, because he, Burnham, was not armed with enough of the democratic instinct in our culture which developed on that very plantation, he easily succumbed to the authoritarian instinct. Burnham and many leaders of his generation never learned to resist the urge to use the enormous power at their disposal in personal and partisan ways. They became the party and the party became the State and they eventually became supreme. To ignore that about Burnham is to be dishonest, but to think that that was all that defined him is to be equally dishonest….” (end of quote).
Though what was quoted here has been published several times in the past, this is a fine adumbration of Burnham that is fair. It sees Burnham as a good leader and a bad leader. David is right to call the Indian opinion-maker dishonest if he/she refuses to see the mountain of positive qualities Burnham had. David is right to call the African Guyanese dishonest, if he/she continues to deny that Burnham was a deeply authoritarian soul whose undemocratic balance sheet is as clear as a sunny day.
It is the same with Jagan. He had instincts that drove him to shut out anyone who he thought was intellectually bright and politically smart. It doesn’t need any explanation at all that Jagan and his party were exceptions in world politics in not having an official deputy leader. The whole of Guyana in the eighties knew that Moses Nagamootoo was the rightful inheritor of the leader’s mantle after Jagan went. But Jagan was careful not to name him. Because of that cruel, selfish mentality of Cheddi Jagan, Guyana has been taken down destructive pathways since Jagan’s death.

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Utter BS and full of lies. This article belongs to the trash bin. Then again, it is being carried a slop can crew member.

Scumbag Moses was not entitled to anything. He now has to clean Grangers toilet and carry a slop can for the rest of his life.

FM
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cain posted:

Those with (SGB)Shit for Brains tend to use words like "toilets,slopcan etc" in their posts. They seem to think it adds taste...oops I meant flair.

Another quality post from gni dufus. 

FM
Django posted:

August 21,2017  Source

The whole of Guyana in the eighties knew that Moses Nagamootoo was the rightful inheritor of the leader’s mantle after Jagan went. But Jagan was careful not to name him. Because of that cruel, selfish mentality of Cheddi Jagan, Guyana has been taken down destructive pathways since Jagan’s death.

There is no rightful inheritor to a leader's mantle in a democratic country or political organization; perhaps only in authoritarian places.

The political party's selection process did not elect Moses Nagamootoo as the leader.

"The whole of Guyana" ... is absolutely incorrect.

FM
Drugb posted:
cain posted:

Those with (SGB)Shit for Brains tend to use words like "toilets,slopcan etc" in their posts. They seem to think it adds taste...oops I meant flair.

Another quality post from gni dufus. 

Yet this garbage appeals to your intellect --

"Utter BS and full of lies. This article belongs to the trash bin. Then again, it is being carried a slop can crew member.

Scumbag Moses was not entitled to anything. He now has to clean Grangers toilet and carry a slop can for the rest of his life."

A
Demerara_Guy posted:
Django posted:

August 21,2017  Source

The whole of Guyana in the eighties knew that Moses Nagamootoo was the rightful inheritor of the leader’s mantle after Jagan went. But Jagan was careful not to name him. Because of that cruel, selfish mentality of Cheddi Jagan, Guyana has been taken down destructive pathways since Jagan’s death.

There is no rightful inheritor to a leader's mantle in a democratic country or political organization; perhaps only in authoritarian places.

The political party's selection process did not elect Moses Nagamootoo as the leader.

"The whole of Guyana" ... is absolutely incorrect.

Absolutely correct. Now, explain how Janet selected Jagdeo to succeed her.

GTAngler
antabanta posted:
Drugb posted:
cain posted:

Those with (SGB)Shit for Brains tend to use words like "toilets,slopcan etc" in their posts. They seem to think it adds taste...oops I meant flair.

Another quality post from gni dufus. 

Yet this garbage appeals to your intellect --

"Utter BS and full of lies. This article belongs to the trash bin. Then again, it is being carried a slop can crew member.

Scumbag Moses was not entitled to anything. He now has to clean Grangers toilet and carry a slop can for the rest of his life."

Garbage in garbage out. There is no better way to describe garbage rather than its own name "garbage". 

FM
skeldon_man posted:
warrior posted:

burham and jagan policy and action destroy guyana no excuse  

And yet you blindly support Burn All party.

it was a coalition professor guyana had to get a change now let see if the ppp will restructure and maybe guyanese will have a choice 

FM
cain posted:

Those with (SGB)Shit for Brains tend to use words like "toilets,slopcan etc" in their posts. They seem to think it adds taste...oops I meant flair.

because they full of shit some of them is shit and one is always shit face 

FM
GTAngler posted:
Demerara_Guy posted:
Django posted:

August 21,2017  Source

The whole of Guyana in the eighties knew that Moses Nagamootoo was the rightful inheritor of the leader’s mantle after Jagan went. But Jagan was careful not to name him. Because of that cruel, selfish mentality of Cheddi Jagan, Guyana has been taken down destructive pathways since Jagan’s death.

There is no rightful inheritor to a leader's mantle in a democratic country or political organization; perhaps only in authoritarian places.

The political party's selection process did not elect Moses Nagamootoo as the leader.

"The whole of Guyana" ... is absolutely incorrect.

Absolutely correct. Now, explain how Janet selected Jagdeo to succeed her.

Jagdeo was elected through the regular process for two consecutive terms.

When Janet Jagan resigned as president due to ill-health in mid-term, Jagdeo was named president to serve out her remaining term.

FM
Demerara_Guy posted:
GTAngler posted:
Demerara_Guy posted:
Django posted:

August 21,2017  Source

The whole of Guyana in the eighties knew that Moses Nagamootoo was the rightful inheritor of the leader’s mantle after Jagan went. But Jagan was careful not to name him. Because of that cruel, selfish mentality of Cheddi Jagan, Guyana has been taken down destructive pathways since Jagan’s death.

There is no rightful inheritor to a leader's mantle in a democratic country or political organization; perhaps only in authoritarian places.

The political party's selection process did not elect Moses Nagamootoo as the leader.

"The whole of Guyana" ... is absolutely incorrect.

Absolutely correct. Now, explain how Janet selected Jagdeo to succeed her.

Jagdeo was elected through the regular process for two consecutive terms.

When Janet Jagan resigned as president due to ill-health in mid-term, Jagdeo was named president to serve out her remaining term.

and the ppp die with her a slow dead 

FM
Demerara_Guy posted:
GTAngler posted:
Demerara_Guy posted:
Django posted:

August 21,2017  Source

The whole of Guyana in the eighties knew that Moses Nagamootoo was the rightful inheritor of the leader’s mantle after Jagan went. But Jagan was careful not to name him. Because of that cruel, selfish mentality of Cheddi Jagan, Guyana has been taken down destructive pathways since Jagan’s death.

There is no rightful inheritor to a leader's mantle in a democratic country or political organization; perhaps only in authoritarian places.

The political party's selection process did not elect Moses Nagamootoo as the leader.

"The whole of Guyana" ... is absolutely incorrect.

Absolutely correct. Now, explain how Janet selected Jagdeo to succeed her.

Jagdeo was elected through the regular process for two consecutive terms.

When Janet Jagan resigned as president due to ill-health in mid-term, Jagdeo was named president to serve out her remaining term.

Jagdeo yesterday succeeded Mrs Janet Jagan, becoming the fourth PPP/Civic President in three years, and Sam Hinds was again sworn in as Prime Minister. Hinds had to resign on Sunday to facilitate Jagdeo's accession to the presidency, via the prime ministerial position. Mrs Jagan stepped down for health reasons.

At the ceremony yesterday, Mrs Jagan handed her resignation over to Speaker of the National Assembly, Derek Jagan, and dubbed Jagdeo's swearing in a momentous occasion.

Thanking all Guyanese for their support during her 20-month reign, Mrs Jagan said she was handing over the reins to a man of "vigour" and "lots of brain power".

http://www.guyana.org/features/jagdeo_president.html


 

Now what played out here,was it not some form of selection.

Django
Demerara_Guy posted:
GTAngler posted:
Demerara_Guy posted:
Django posted:

August 21,2017  Source

The whole of Guyana in the eighties knew that Moses Nagamootoo was the rightful inheritor of the leader’s mantle after Jagan went. But Jagan was careful not to name him. Because of that cruel, selfish mentality of Cheddi Jagan, Guyana has been taken down destructive pathways since Jagan’s death.

There is no rightful inheritor to a leader's mantle in a democratic country or political organization; perhaps only in authoritarian places.

The political party's selection process did not elect Moses Nagamootoo as the leader.

"The whole of Guyana" ... is absolutely incorrect.

Absolutely correct. Now, explain how Janet selected Jagdeo to succeed her.

Jagdeo was elected through the regular process for two consecutive terms.

When Janet Jagan resigned as president due to ill-health in mid-term, Jagdeo was named president to serve out her remaining term.

That's the whole story? Who was Prime Minister at the time?

GTAngler
Django posted:
Demerara_Guy posted:
GTAngler posted:
Demerara_Guy posted:
Django posted:

August 21,2017  Source

The whole of Guyana in the eighties knew that Moses Nagamootoo was the rightful inheritor of the leader’s mantle after Jagan went. But Jagan was careful not to name him. Because of that cruel, selfish mentality of Cheddi Jagan, Guyana has been taken down destructive pathways since Jagan’s death.

There is no rightful inheritor to a leader's mantle in a democratic country or political organization; perhaps only in authoritarian places.

The political party's selection process did not elect Moses Nagamootoo as the leader.

"The whole of Guyana" ... is absolutely incorrect.

Absolutely correct. Now, explain how Janet selected Jagdeo to succeed her.

Jagdeo was elected through the regular process for two consecutive terms.

When Janet Jagan resigned as president due to ill-health in mid-term, Jagdeo was named president to serve out her remaining term.

Jagdeo yesterday succeeded Mrs Janet Jagan, becoming the fourth PPP/Civic President in three years, and Sam Hinds was again sworn in as Prime Minister. Hinds had to resign on Sunday to facilitate Jagdeo's accession to the presidency, via the prime ministerial position. Mrs Jagan stepped down for health reasons.

At the ceremony yesterday, Mrs Jagan handed her resignation over to Speaker of the National Assembly, Derek Jagan, and dubbed Jagdeo's swearing in a momentous occasion.

Thanking all Guyanese for their support during her 20-month reign, Mrs Jagan said she was handing over the reins to a man of "vigour" and "lots of brain power".

http://www.guyana.org/features/jagdeo_president.html


 

Now what played out here,was it not some form of selection.

Of course not. Hypocrisy at it's finest. This is the PPP they want people to follow. Well, here is my political affiliation. ABJAC......Anybody But Jagdeo and Cronies.

GTAngler
yuji22 posted:

Utter BS and full of lies.

Yes as you too see Guyanese politics through unscholarly Indian eyes.  This article was spot on. Janet and Burnham were both monsters and Cheddi was a weak man dominated by both.  In their evil there were a few redeeming qualities in all three.

Sadly their evil dominated and Guyana continues to suffer from this until today.

The other day I was thinking of the West Indies federation. Cheddi refused to join as he feared that legions of Grenadian, Vincentian, St Lucian and Barbadian immigrants would offset the Indian majority.  Jamaica withdrew as it felt superior to these "small islands".  Trinidad said that " one from ten leaves nought" and ended the federation. Had Guyana joined, even with Jamaica leaving T&T would have kept the federation alive.

60 years later what do we see.

1. Jamaica and Guyana are the 2 poorest countries in the English speaking Caribbean and legions of both swamp everywhere else in CARICOM.

2. Barbados and the Eastern Caribbean islands now fear being swamped by Jamaicans and Guyanese.

How did Guyana turn from a country which, together with T&T, would have financially supported the then poor islands like Barbados?  How did Guyana turn from a country which was expected to absorb migrants flooding out of the smaller islands, including Barbados, seeking a better life in the richer parts of the West Indies federation.

Blame Janet, Cheddi and Burnham for Guyana's collapse.

 

 

FM
GTAngler posted:
 

Absolutely correct. Now, explain how Janet selected Jagdeo to succeed her.

A man who she thought was weak and so easily controlled. 

In fact he learned much from Forbes Burnham as an employer under his regime and turned out to be just as bad.  Even more murderous and corrupt.

Apparently the behavior of the PPP gave both Jagans heart attacks at the monsters they had unleashed.

FM
caribny posted:
Demerara_Guy posted:

Jagdeo was elected through the regular process for two consecutive terms.

As was Granger but you cannot accept that fact.

You have a penchant to propagate false statements.

I always accepted that Granger is the head of the current government.

Of note ...

1. Jagdeo was elected president for two consecutive terms.

2. Granger is currently elected president for ONE term, not two.

FM
Django posted:
Demerara_Guy posted:

Jagdeo was elected through the regular process for two consecutive terms.

When Janet Jagan resigned as president due to ill-health in mid-term, Jagdeo was named president to serve out her remaining term.

Jagdeo yesterday succeeded Mrs Janet Jagan, becoming the fourth PPP/Civic President in three years, and Sam Hinds was again sworn in as Prime Minister. Hinds had to resign on Sunday to facilitate Jagdeo's accession to the presidency, via the prime ministerial position. Mrs Jagan stepped down for health reasons.

At the ceremony yesterday, Mrs Jagan handed her resignation over to Speaker of the National Assembly, Derek Jagan, and dubbed Jagdeo's swearing in a momentous occasion.

Thanking all Guyanese for their support during her 20-month reign, Mrs Jagan said she was handing over the reins to a man of "vigour" and "lots of brain power".

http://www.guyana.org/features/jagdeo_president.html


 

Now what played out here,was it not some form of selection.

1. The process is similar to both the PPPC and PNCR.

2. When Forbes Burnham died in August 1985, Desmond Hoyte became president and Hamilton Greene was prime minister.

Of note to point two ... no one from the Reform group/section of the PNCR was ever in the office as president or prime minister.

3. When Janet Jagan left office due to ill health, Bharrat Jagdeo became president, similar to the transition of power in 1985 when Forbes Burnham passed on in life.

4. The composition of government under the PPPC arrangement was that the president will be from the PPP group and the prime minister will be from the Civic group.

FM

This is why it is important that Guyanese East Indians and douglas get their own Independent country. East Indians will forever be looking through East Indian eyes instead of scholarly eyes when they disagree with  racist anti-koolie bigotry and hate.

Prashad
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Demerara_Guy posted:
Django posted:
Demerara_Guy posted:

Jagdeo was elected through the regular process for two consecutive terms.

When Janet Jagan resigned as president due to ill-health in mid-term, Jagdeo was named president to serve out her remaining term.

Jagdeo yesterday succeeded Mrs Janet Jagan, becoming the fourth PPP/Civic President in three years, and Sam Hinds was again sworn in as Prime Minister. Hinds had to resign on Sunday to facilitate Jagdeo's accession to the presidency, via the prime ministerial position. Mrs Jagan stepped down for health reasons.

At the ceremony yesterday, Mrs Jagan handed her resignation over to Speaker of the National Assembly, Derek Jagan, and dubbed Jagdeo's swearing in a momentous occasion.

Thanking all Guyanese for their support during her 20-month reign, Mrs Jagan said she was handing over the reins to a man of "vigour" and "lots of brain power".

http://www.guyana.org/features/jagdeo_president.html


 

Now what played out here,was it not some form of selection.

1. The process is similar to both the PPPC and PNCR.

2. When Forbes Burnham died in August 1985, Desmond Hoyte became president and Hamilton Greene was prime minister.

Of note to point two ... no one from the Reform group/section of the PNCR was ever in the office as president or prime minister.

3. When Janet Jagan left office due to ill health, Bharrat Jagdeo became president, similar to the transition of power in 1985 when Forbes Burnham passed on in life.

4. The composition of government under the PPPC arrangement was that the president will be from the PPP group and the prime minister will be from the Civic group.

No it's not,who are fooling ??

Read below.


Following the December 1980 election he [Desmond Hoyte] became one of five vice-presidents, with responsibility for economic planning, finance, and regional development, becoming a close associate of the President of Guyana and PNC leader Forbes Burnham.

In August 1984 he was made first vice-president and prime minister. President Burnham died suddenly on 6 August 1985, and Hoyte became President, at a time when Guyana was undergoing prolonged economic and social problems.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desmond_Hoyte

Django

Django, D_G has a point. When Cheddi Jagan agreed to add a Civic arm to the PPP to contest the 1992 election, he made it clear that in future the PPP would retain the right to choose its presidential candidates while the prime ministerial candidate could come from the Civic. In keeping with that formula, President Janet Jagan advised the PPP Central Committee to let Bharrat Jagdeo be her successor. The CC was not unanimous on the matter because the names of Moses Nagamootoo and Ralph Ramkarran were proffered in the first instance with no agreement on either one. Jagdeo's name was submitted to break the deadlock. The majority of CC members agreed to Jagdeo's candidacy.

Today, as before, one may argue whether the PPP CC made a bad decision. The point is, a decision was made that did not violate Cheddi Jagan's principle. As for Sam Hinds, he had accepted from the outset in 1992 that he could not be president if a PPP president left office through death or incapacity. And Hinds cooperated in helping to put that principle into practice. Hinds honoured his pact with Jagan.

FM
Demerara_Guy posted:
caribny posted:
Demerara_Guy posted:

Jagdeo was elected through the regular process for two consecutive terms.

As was Granger but you cannot accept that fact.

You have a penchant to propagate false statements.

I always accepted that Granger is the head of the current government.

.

Maybe you really do but the vast majority of PPP supporters and officialdom don't.  The PPP thinks that they have a divine right to win elections simply because the Indian vote is the largest. 

They surely haven't done anything to broaden their base.  Folks still haven't forgotten the stunt that they played with Sam Hinds, and the fact that the idiot allowed them to do that to him.

With Jagdeo and Rohee turning the PPP into ROAR II their future prospects are not great either.

.

 

 

FM
Demerara_Guy posted:
.. no one from the Reform group/section of the PNCR was ever .

Irrelevant. Sam Hinds was the PM and the constitution states that he should be president in the event that the president cannot complete his term. But the PPP, in angst at the prospect of "blackman" in charge FIRED Sam Hinds from this slot.

They openly therefore displayed disgust at the prospect of a non Indian having the lead slot.

FM
Gilbakka posted:

.. And Hinds cooperated in helping to put that principle into practice. Hinds honoured his pact with Jagan.

And he communicated to the Afro Guyanese population that no black person could be expected to have leadership of the PPP.

Understand the angst of a group which is outnumbered by another group and therefore denied the ability to ever win an election, given the ethnic composition in the 90s.

Symbolism is important and the PPP communicated this loud and clear.

FM
Prashad posted:

This is why it is important that Guyanese East Indians and douglas get their own Independent country. East Indians will forever be looking through East Indian eyes instead of scholarly eyes when they disagree with  racist anti-koolie bigotry and hate.

Good lord, not this again. You seem to have forgotten history. Of great import, extremely relevant and fairly fresh in our memories is, India. The common enemy were the British. What happened after? India subdivided along religious lines and then further subdivided when East and West Pakistan became Bangladesh and Pakistan respectively. So how exactly is your land in the clouds going to be divided? By the way, don't fool yourself. Not many Indo-Guyanese consider mixed race people to be their own.

GTAngler
caribny posted:
Gilbakka posted:

.. And Hinds cooperated in helping to put that principle into practice. Hinds honoured his pact with Jagan.

And he communicated to the Afro Guyanese population that no black person could be expected to have leadership of the PPP.

Understand the angst of a group which is outnumbered by another group and therefore denied the ability to ever win an election, given the ethnic composition in the 90s.

Symbolism is important and the PPP communicated this loud and clear.

This is a blatant lie, Hinds was many times offered the leadership of the PPP only to reject the offer. 

FM
caribny posted:
Demerara_Guy posted:
caribny posted:
Demerara_Guy posted:

Jagdeo was elected through the regular process for two consecutive terms.

As was Granger but you cannot accept that fact.

You have a penchant to propagate false statements.

I always accepted that Granger is the head of the current government.

Maybe you really do but the vast majority of PPP supporters and officialdom don't.  The PPP thinks that they have a divine right to win elections simply because the Indian vote is the largest. 

They surely haven't done anything to broaden their base.  Folks still haven't forgotten the stunt that they played with Sam Hinds, and the fact that the idiot allowed them to do that to him.

With Jagdeo and Rohee turning the PPP into ROAR II their future prospects are not great either.

The issue is ...

... acceptance that Granger as head of the government.

As usual, your introduction of other issues continues to be skewed from the relevant topic(s).

FM
caribny posted:
Gilbakka posted:

.. And Hinds cooperated in helping to put that principle into practice. Hinds honoured his pact with Jagan.

And he communicated to the Afro Guyanese population that no black person could be expected to have leadership of the PPP.

Understand the angst of a group which is outnumbered by another group and therefore denied the ability to ever win an election, given the ethnic composition in the 90s.

Symbolism is important and the PPP communicated this loud and clear.

Your comments continue to be deeply slanted from realities.

Quite simply ... yet again ....

"there is a clear understanding in the PPPC that the PPP will hold the president position and Civic will hold the prime minister position".

FM

Over and over again I see people like the author of this piece of garbage trying desperately to cover up the darkest period of PNC's rule from 1964 to 1992 which brought Guyana down to the pits economically , socially and politically. They are trying to mitigate the terrible wrongs of the Burnhamites by trying to indict the PPP and the Jagans for the horrible crime that they perpetrated on the nation.  They Jagans ideology did not prevent them from respecting the law and govern democratically. The Jagans did not seize private properties and instituted strict press censorship. They did not murder or imprison their adversaries. The communist world were indicted for crimes as such but the Guyana under the PPP was innocent.

Burnham's record in power stinks. 

Billy Ram Balgobin
Demerara_Guy posted:
 

 

... acceptance that Granger as head of the government.

 

To this day Jagdeo doesn't and neither do the vast majority of PPP supporters.  If I had the time to dig through the archives I bet that I will find evidence that you didn't either.

FM
Demerara_Guy posted:
 

"there is a clear understanding in the PPPC that the PPP will hold the president position and Civic will hold the prime minister position".

As far as most Afro Guyanese are concerned all of this was to ensure that the Indo Guyanese majority would maintain exclusive power forever.   This "arrangement" was in fact in breach of the constitution and therefore was illegal.  The PPP didn't change the constitution during its 23 years in power.

You will probably have us believe that the PPP enjoys massive support from blacks.

FM
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Billy Ram Balgobin posted:

. The Jagans did not seize private properties and instituted strict press censorship. 

Burnham's record in power stinks. 

I am on the ground rolling in laughter.  The PYO were merchants of death in the 60s and were involved in all sorts of murder and mayhem.  They would have us believe that only the PNC was violent.

Cheddi did all that was asked of him by Moscow and Havana. He never condemned those nations must as he endlessly did the USA.   In addition Cheddi offered critical support of the Burnham regime.  He even wanted to become part of the Burnham regime by begging to be included.

We will have to thank Hoyte for sparing us the prospect of a Marxist Leninist Janet Jagan dictatorship. He did so when he canceled the Burnham Jagan fiasco and later by liberalizing the economy.

Just look to Cuba today, minus its beaches and therefore thriving tourism, to see where Guyana would be if Jagan continued Burnham's communism.

FM
caribny posted:
Demerara_Guy posted:
 

"there is a clear understanding in the PPPC that the PPP will hold the president position and Civic will hold the prime minister position".

As far as most Afro Guyanese are concerned all of this was to ensure that the Indo Guyanese majority would maintain exclusive power forever.  

Your statement has prompted this thought: I wonder why the PPP didn't see it fit to make Clement Rohee its presidential candidate in 2011. Rohee was one of 5 persons who had expressed an interest in securing the presidency. The PPP chose Donald Ramotar instead.

FM
Gilbakka posted:
 

Your statement has prompted this thought: I wonder why the PPP didn't see it fit to make Clement Rohee its presidential candidate in 2011. Rohee was one of 5 persons who had expressed an interest in securing the presidency. The PPP chose Donald Ramotar instead.

Clement Rohee is not black and isn't viewed as a friend of Afro Guyanese.  The fact that his daughter was outed as a racist is indication as to the type of nasty racist talk that the poor girl was exposed to.

It is also the opinion of most Guyanese that Rohee is an idiot.

FM
caribny posted:
Demerara_Guy posted:
 

"there is a clear understanding in the PPPC that the PPP will hold the president position and Civic will hold the prime minister position".

This "arrangement" was in fact in breach of the constitution and therefore was illegal.  The PPP didn't change the constitution during its 23 years in power.

 

The PPP set a precedent in its extra-constitutional arrangement with Civic regarding which entity is entitled to the presidency and which is relegated to the prime-ministry. 

So, it was not surprising that the Cummingsburg Accord apportioned the presidency to APNU and the prime-ministry to the AFC. If President Granger demits office like Janet Jagan, PM Nagamootoo will be sworn in as President as per the Constitution. Within 24 hours APNU Harmon or Williams would be sworn in as Prime Minister, as Jagdeo did in 1999. Later that day Nagamootoo will resign as President and PM Harmon/Williams will become President. His first act in office would be to appoint Nagamootoo as PM as President Jagdeo did to Hinds. 

Guyana's politicians smart like Brer Anancy.

FM
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