carib:

* Congrats on your wisdom.

* THE PPP IS 100% GUARANTEED TO WIN BY A MAJORITY THE NEXT ELECTION.

Rev

D2 and redux need to remember 2006. Despite a drop in votes received the PPP received a higher % of the votes.  Why?  The PNC support base was disillusioned and the PPP got its base out.

2015 is different and with the loss of the charismatic Jagdeo, as well as the increased realization about how corrupt and self serving he was, the PPP is indeed weaker.

But then so is APNU after a congress which featured open internal warfare and violence.........of course a gift to the PPP which loves to confuse Guyanese that the alternative to their corruption will be PNC lawlessness and violence.

What of the AFC. A party of malcontents, now mainly from the PPP.  The question will be to the extent that they are able to establish themselves as a permanent fixture in Guyana politics, or a temporary refuge from those frustrated with the leadership of the two major parties.  We already saw how the AFC urban vote plummeted when Granger turned out to be less unpopular than Corbin.

Most people are not sophisticated, and are only interested in life as it benefits them.  We have already seen voter turn out in Guyana plummet from the high level of 85% in 2001 to a possible 65% in 2011.

D2 and redux, how do you know that an unscheduled election mightn't show a 40% turn out with the PPP doing what ever it needs to, inclusive of bribing people to get them to vote? They have the funds to do so.

If APNU wants to get 50.1% of the votes they will have to WORK for it.  There is absolutely no way, short of a miracle that the AFC will get this. Merely reducing the PPP plurality from 49% to 42% will not achieve the goals that the no confidence motion is designed for, as there will still be a minority PPP gov't.

My wisdom is telling you that the PPP will win, but with a 42% share, weakening their position, and hastening their demise in any subsequent elections.

redux what is there in this out pouring of filth and vulgarity that contributes to the discussion?

You haven't addressed whether the opposition is ready or not, nor have you offered suggestions as to what they should do.  Indeed you haven't even  mentioned whether the whole no confidence motion has a chance to air, given that APNU seems to be sending out different messages as night follow day.

So you have a personal animosity with Faith Harding, but I fail to see what that has to do with anything given that she is no longer in politics.

What is of more importance is whether you can furnish proof that she is wrong, and it is clear that you CANNOT.

Nah ah gonna leff dat fuh you and your mamoo granger to sail pan de SS donuts.....

She want mek abbie shark bait.

mr caribny . . . i assume that u are not a moron; so please point specifically to this "out pouring of filth and vulgarity" in my post

thanx!

This is where I  depart from you Caribny. I do not have this pessimistic view of the Guyanese people. Party of malcontents....mostly from the PPP - that is a weak characterization of the AFC. It is intellectually vacuous. These guys are not sitting on their laurels thinking that PPP's failings will mean voters fall in their laps. They're politicians, don't you see that?

You have this view that the AFC can never peel votes away from the PNC. I bet you thought the same about the AFC's ability to peel votes away from the PPP. You also have a low value for Moses Nagamootoo. Boy, how little do you know of the electoral dynamics of Guyana.

Typical Redux.............never addresses the specifics...always talk about others throwing red herrings..........boy you are so predictable....a waste of time to discourse with.

karimullah, remind me again how I am NOT addressing "specifics" in my response

DID CARIBNY CHARACTERIZE OR NOT CHARACTERIZE MY POST AS AN "out pouring of filth and vulgarity"??

what's 'non-specific' in me asking him to explain?

like u, he has a big mouth, and likes to throw mud; when that mud is handled and kicked back in alyuh stupid face(s), alyuh like to whine like lil antimen that ah paying too much attention to alyuh weak attempt to throw lil nasty stuff in my direction and save face; that i should anderstan alyuh insecurity and ignore dat part

i doan roll like that . . . kapeesh?

The votes which they got in 2006 from the PNC support base they lost in 2011.  At what point have you seen the AFC even try to woo that base.  If you don't ask people for their support you will not get it.

Indeed in 2011 I even argued with GR about it, and eventually admitted that they lacked the financing or man power ti contest in all areas, so decided to focus on Regions 5 and 6, capitalizing on the Nagamootoo factor. 

I warned him that he was taking black people for granted, and he admitted that I was corrected when the results came in and APNU regained most of the votes that they lost, and the lost votes in regions 4 and 10 and in New Amsterdam.

I know that you think that you can get black votes, by ignoring them and putting all your energies on Indians.  It doesn't work like that.  If people don't woo them, they either stay home, or default to the PNC.  I told AFC supporters in 2011, they laughed at me, and then the AFC was limited to 10% when they could have gotten 20%.

What should however terrify the PPP is that their 2011 vote fell to the same level as the PNC 2001 vote. 

If you think that Guyanese aren't increasingly of the opinion that voting is a waste of their time, explain why in a scant 10 years voter turn out has dropped from 85% to 65%, even though there is now the AFC who should be able to attract the disaffected.

Now please name people who will play a major role in campaigning who aren't ex PPPites.  Trotman seems on the way out.  Aside from Nigel Hughes, who?

the fact is that he doesn't even understand that he isn't addressing the issue, even if he thinks he is.  I guess he and Harding had some falling out, so he cant move beyond that.

He hasn't addressed whether he thinks that the opposition is ready or not, nor has he addressed the fact that the core opposition party is sending mixed messages, and given the fiasco of their Congress, one cannot but suspect that APNU is actually two separate parties, and that a split might imminent.

 What some people, including you fail to think, that just because most of the core group of posters are very interested in Guyana politics, doesn't mean that the average person cares.  We live our lives in the USA and are obviously able to engage in intellectual stimulation about Guyana.

Your average Guyanese, struggling to pay the bills wants specific answers to specific questions. Wants to be involved in the process of improving his life.  But he sees, hears, and reads the same old same old, and is increasingly opting out of the process.

What I will like redux to address is exactly what is wrong with some one who suggests that the AFC and APNU need to get more involved in people's lives and to do what they can to help.  And that they need to strengthen their grass roots operations, instead of waiting to do that when elections are announced.

Yes what an intelligent response that deepens our understanding about Guyana.

I suggest that when you engage at this level debate with Nehru whose vocabulary is as simple as yours seems to be.  I do NOT descend to this level of discourse.

the incoherent, light-thinking quote machine and political comedian Faith Harding, a scant 2 months ago as quoted in INewsGuyana July 6, 2014

http://www.inewsguyana.com/get...ding-tells-ppp-govt/

"During the radio programme, ‘Hard Talk’ on 90.1FM, Dr Harding told PPP Parliamentarian, Odinga Lumumba that the PPP would lose heavily if they called snap elections, given the current state of the capital city."

fast forward to a couple of days ago, and here she is again http://www.kaieteurnewsonline....-mistake-dr-harding/, voluble, stupid, incoherent, grinning merrily . . . caribny & co hanging on her every word:

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“This No-Confidence Motion will just disrupt our minds! Yes, if the population of Guyana—I think the PPP got the plurality of votes in a sense, more than the APNU and AFC got, but together they got more in terms of an opposition, but the majority of the people voted for the PPP. So is it the majority that is having the no- confidence, by one seat, in the government’s operation? One needs to examine that.” . . .

[anybody have any fricken idea WHAT this is supposed to mean ??]

If such a motion can be avoided, “that would be the best thing for Guyana.” “If not, it means you have to call an election and I don’t think the opposition is ready!” . . .

“I am not yet seeing the kind of work being done by the opposition to tell me they are ready to win an election; that they are ready to collaborate with each other; and that if they do collaborate, the nation will choose them over the current government.”

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huh?? . . . Guyana is a rale jokey country with rale jokey 'leaders' and their GNI admirers

I see that you are so simple to understand that the PPP can and will most likely to lose votes, but that most Guyanese will not see the sense of a no confident vote when the likely outcome will be a PPP win, just with fewer votes and seats.

This because no one, including you, have told us how APNU will win 50.1% of the votes, something that it has never done without rigging.

What ever happened to LGE.  Didn't the AFC and APNU begin to gather support locally, and from international agencies and gov'ts?

Bit now no confidence, which Obviously means that LGE will be deferred again.  SO how to respond to the PPP who is now saying that IMC for G/town makes sense given the clear inability of the existing mayor and city council to function.  We all said that LGE was what was needed.

But now there will not be LGE until 2016 or 2017!

When people think emotionally and have no plan or goal then they merely ensure that the PPP will survive to live another day.

yaaaaaawwwn, give it a rest karimullah . . . you're EXPOSED and out of your league

are u responding to something I posted or just enjoying a 'debate' with yourself?

aside from an emotional rant and some hysteria about Harding I wasn't aware that you posted anything of note.

OK you cannot discuss whether the opposition is ready. Whether the two opposition parties have coordinated their strategies and messaging. Whether the fiasco of the PNC congress has hurt its image. Or whether Guyanese care the slightest of what the PPP, APNU and the AFC are up to, as these politicians draw nice salaries and live at a level much more comfortable than they do.

Looks like I sound like Caribny..............hehehehehehe!

caribny, my responses to your lameass efforts at mis-direction are in bold above

but keep up that winning 'debate' with yourself if u must . . . it's quite entertaining

yaaaawwwn . . . i've wasted more than enough of my precious time with limited, linear thinkers like you who seem to enjoy the sound of your heads banging uselessly against the same wall day after day after day

go re-read my earlier posts . . . maybe u will gain some insight on how people like u in a Faith Harding universe will end up stumbling around in 2016 wondering how come the PPP never held LG elections

You waste time with Harding who is no longer in politics, and seem unable to discuss issues which are connected to politics, like the belief that the opposition parties aren't ready.

Your rant is only on Harding.  You hate her, and I don't care who she is.  She made several points and apart from attacking her you haven't been able to refute her points.

Indeed you show that the opposition isn't ready.  Are you sure that Granger isn't going to step out one fine morning to announce that APNU and the PPP have formed a National Alliance, so no "no confidence" vote is needed?  You don't!

Trust screwed-up Redux to come to that conclusion.  Caribj has independent thoughts and original intelligence.  You, on the other hand, toe the line and regurgitate embedded "artificial intelligence", and try to sound smart, a humanoid version of Siri.