Why I won’t celebrate India’s independence

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PrashadSenior Member

This world is not about Jews or the Jewish experience only. 1 million of our gypsy cousins were murdered by the NAZIS.

Romani (Gypsy) prisoners line up for roll call in the Dachau concentration camp. Germany, June 20, 1938.

— KZ Gedenkstaette Dachau

8/11/177:59 AM

MitwahSenior Member

burning of Rajput Women after the fall of Chittor
The Rajput ceremony of Jauhar (holocaust), 1567, illustration from 'Hutchinsons History of the Nations'

And against this background, look at the films we have produced so far in a country which boasts of the largest film industry in the world, with no dearth of talent and workmanship! We have films like Mugal-e-Azam, Anarkali, or Taj Mahal which romanticize the Mughal rulers, depicting them as great heroes of noble virtues oozing with kindness and love for the humanity! The heroes of Anarkali and Taj Mahal were next to Aurangazeb in their persecution of Hindus and Sikhs. But people are made to see them as romantic heroes and remember songs from these movies with great nostalgia!

One may say why dwell upon unpleasant facts. True, but can we develop the character of a nation without facing the realities of life, however unpleasant they may be? Can we develop the maturity of thought that comes with the sense of suffering and the sense of responsibility? The purpose of knowing these facts is not to heap vengeance, but to strengthen our national character, to avoid the weaknesses that were responsible for the plight of our ancestors. The Muslims of present day India are also part of this character building because they must know that their ancestors also suffered, that as far as the past is concerned all Indians were in the same boat and that there were no victors and no losers in that great human tragedy. Knowing thus, perhaps they would develop proper wisdom and understanding and right attitude towards other communities.

Finally, in what context do we talk of Hitler and Nazis in India?

The answer is even more disturbing. Any one who speaks for Hindus is a Hitler or is in the process of becoming one and any group which speaks for Hindus are Nazis or are in the process of becoming Nazis!

http://www.hinduwebsite.com/history/holocaust.asp

8/11/178:01 AM

MitwahSenior Member

ba$eman posted:
Nehru posted:
The Pakistanis are DEVILS!!!! But we as a people survived despite their Barbaric, Criminal and INHUMAN ways!!!
dem Hindu nationalists ain't deh own hey!!

My Dost from Bangalore visited me recently and he was very emotional about this topic. I might be going there next year.

Nadir Shah made a mountain of the skulls of the Hindus he killed in Delhi alone. Babur raised towers of Hindu skulls at Khanua when he defeated Rana Sanga in 1527 and later he repeated the same horrors after capturing the fort of Chanderi. Akbar ordered a general massacre of 30000 Rajputs after he captured Chithor in 1568. The Bahamani Sultans had an annual agenda of killing a minimum of 100000 Hindus every year. The history of medieval India is full of such instances.

8/11/178:07 AM

PrashadSenior Member

It would have been better for these millions of Hindu women and children to die on the battlefield fighting the enemy rather than killing themselves off of the battlefield. What a waste of life.

8/11/178:12 AM

MitwahSenior Member

Prashad posted:
Mitwah you forgot to mention that our Roma Gypsy cousins also suffered from the German holocaust in WW2. They are our genetic relatives.

Please educate us and add them to the count. The Jewish holocaust is not the greatest in the world.

8/11/178:34 AM

DjangoAdmin

ba$eman posted:
Same, why should Indo-Guyanese celebrate Guyana's independence? For Indo Guyanese, this has been the long march through the Valley of the Shadow of Death and Despair!!

Bhai,you got to be kidding.

8/11/178:43 AM

MitwahSenior Member

Django posted:
ba$eman posted:
Same, why should Indo-Guyanese celebrate Guyana's independence? For Indo Guyanese, this has been the long march through the Valley of the Shadow of Death and Despair!!
Bhai,you got to be kidding.

Please don't help him to derail this thread. This is about the Greatest Holocaust in History.

8/11/178:45 AM

DjangoAdmin

Mitwah posted:
Django posted:
ba$eman posted:
Same, why should Indo-Guyanese celebrate Guyana's independence? For Indo Guyanese, this has been the long march through the Valley of the Shadow of Death and Despair!!
Bhai,you got to be kidding.
Please don't help him to derail this thread.

Will do.

8/11/178:47 AM

Former Member

One good thing about this thread: it's sending some posters to check the facts online and relay them here. Thanks.

8/11/1710:21 AM

MitwahSenior Member

Gilbakka posted:
One good thing about this thread: it's sending some posters to check the facts online and relay them here. Thanks.

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8/11/1712:32 PM

MitwahSenior Member

Islamic India -The biggest holocaust in World History

The genocide suffered by the Hindus of India at the hands of Arab, Turkish, Mughal and Afghan occupying forces for a period of 800 years is as yet formally unrecognised by the World.

With the invasion of India by Mahmud Ghazni about 1000 A.D., began the Muslim invasions into the Indian subcontinent and they lasted for several centuries. Nadir Shah made a mountain of the skulls of the Hindus he killed in Delhi alone. Babur raised towers of Hindu skulls at Khanua when he defeated Rana Sanga in 1527 and later he repeated the same horrors after capturing the fort of Chanderi. Akbar ordered a general massacre of 30,000 Rajputs after he captured Chithorgarh in 1568. The Bahamani Sultans had an annual agenda of killing a minimum of 100,000 Hindus every year.

The history of medieval India is full of such instances. The holocaust of the Hindus in India continued for 800 years, till the brutal regimes were effectively overpowered in a life and death struggle by the Sikhs in the Panjab and the Hindu Maratha armies in other parts of India in the late 1700's.

We have elaborate literary evidence of the World's biggest holocaust from existing historical contemporary eyewitness accounts. The historians and biographers of the invading armies and subsequent rulers of India have left quite detailed records of the atrocities they committed in their day-to-day encounters with India's Hindus.

These contemporary records boasted about and glorified the crimes that were committed and the genocide of tens of millions of Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhist and Jainist, mass rapes of women and the destruction of thousands of ancient Hindu / Buddhist temples and libraries have been well documented and provide solid proof of the World's biggest holocaust.

https://www.sikhnet.com/news/i...ocaust-world-history

8/11/172:26 PM

MitwahSenior Member

Quotes from modern historians

Dr. Koenraad Elst in his article "Was There an Islamic Genocide of Hindus?" states:

"There is no official estimate of the total death toll of Hindus at the hands of Islam. A first glance at important testimonies by Muslim chroniclers suggests that, over 13 centuries and a territory as vast as the Subcontinent, Muslim Holy Warriors easily killed more Hindus than the 6 million of the Holocaust. Ferishtha lists several occasions when the Bahmani sultans in central India (1347-1528) killed a hundred thousand Hindus, which they set as a minimum goal whenever they felt like punishing the Hindus; and they were only a third-rank provincial dynasty.

The biggest slaughters took place during the raids of Mahmud Ghaznavi (ca. 1000 CE); during the actual conquest of North India by Mohammed Ghori and his lieutenants (1192 ff.); and under the Delhi Sultanate (1206-1526)."

He also writes in his book "Negation in India":

"The Muslim conquests, down to the 16th century, were for the Hindus a pure struggle of life and death. Entire cities were burnt down and the populations massacred, with hundreds of thousands killed in every campaign, and similar numbers deported as slaves. Every new invader made (often literally) his hills of Hindus skulls. Thus, the conquest of Afghanistan in the year 1000 was followed by the annihilation of the Hindu population; the region is still called the Hindu Kush, i.e. Hindu slaughter."

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Will Durant argued in his 1935 book "The Story of Civilisation: Our Oriental Heritage" (page 459):

"The Mohammedan conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. The Islamic historians and scholars have recorded with great glee and pride the slaughters of Hindus, forced conversions, abduction of Hindu women and children to slave markets and the destruction of temples carried out by the warriors of Islam during 800 AD to 1700 AD. Millions of Hindus were converted to Islam by sword during this period."

https://www.sikhnet.com/news/i...ocaust-world-history

8/11/172:37 PM

PrashadSenior Member

Mits is in a vicious mood. Like he been hanging out with L K Advani.

8/11/174:45 PM

Abu JihadSenior Member

"The Mohammedan conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history."

Mitwah is now a full fledged RSS scout.

It is very insulting to call Muslims Mohammedans, why is the admins allowing this lunatic to post fascist propaganda.

8/11/175:03 PM

MitwahSenior Member

Abu Jihad posted:
"The Mohammedan conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history."
Mitwah is now a full fledged RSS scout.
It is very insulting to call Muslims Mohammedans, why is the admins allowing this lunatic to post fascist propaganda.

Naah. I don't have the authority to edit. I am just posting research findings posited by other scholars. A lot of this is being suppressed in India for the fear of uprisings.

You are free to point out the propaganda. Don't you agree that the greatest holocaust in the world was in India and that it was not the slaughter of the Jews?

Why is it insulting to call Muslims, Mohammedans?

8/11/175:18 PM

Former Member

Abu Jihad posted:

It is very insulting to call Muslims Mohammedans, why is the admins allowing this lunatic to post fascist propaganda.

Criticism noted and appreciated. But, Abu, up to the early 1970s in Guyana, I recall hearing some Muslims referring to themselves as Mohammedans. That's how I first heard the term. I know for a fact that we Hindus simply called them Muslims or Fullaman, depending on the level of our education. Just being honest, Abu. Terms change over time. What was fashionable a generation ago is no longer so.

8/11/176:21 PM

PrashadSenior Member

We Guyanese East Indians don't have Hindu-Muslim problems. Let us keep it that way.

8/11/178:21 PM

PrashadSenior Member

Mitwah posted:
Hey folks, look at the bamboo scaffold that these Indians use.
Indian workers paint a statue of the national emblem, a depiction of the Sarnath Lion Capital of Ashoka, ahead of the forthcoming Independence day celebrations at the state secretariat building in Mumbai on Aug. 7, 2017. (INDRANIL MUKHERJEE/AFP/Getty Images)

Ashoka was a Buddhist king who did not like Hindus. Most likely it is Hindu workers who are painting his emblem.

8/11/178:26 PM

MitwahSenior Member

Prashad posted:
Mitwah posted:
Hey folks, look at the bamboo scaffold that these Indians use.
Indian workers paint a statue of the national emblem, a depiction of the Sarnath Lion Capital of Ashoka, ahead of the forthcoming Independence day celebrations at the state secretariat building in Mumbai on Aug. 7, 2017. (INDRANIL MUKHERJEE/AFP/Getty Images)
Ashoka was a Buddhist king who did not like Hindus. Most likely it is Hindu workers who are painting his emblem.

Got to check on this. If true, how can he say that he was a true Buddhist?

Whoever hates isn't a true follower of Buddha and isn't a Buddhist as this is what was not preached by Buddha.

8/11/1710:32 PM

MitwahSenior Member

Francois Gautier in his book "Rewriting Indian History" (1996) wrote:

"The massacres perpetuated by Muslims in India are unparalleled in history, bigger than the Holocaust of the Jews by the Nazis; or the massacre of the Armenians by the Turks; more extensive even than the slaughter of the South American native populations by the invading Spanish and Portuguese."

3-mughal-india-bhai_dyalaji_201011-22 [28K) Alain Danielou in his book, Histoire de lâ Inde writes:

"From the time Muslims started arriving, around 632 AD, the history of India becomes a long, monotonous series of murders, massacres, spoliations, and destructions. It is, as usual, in the name of "a holy war" of their faith, of their sole God, that the barbarians have destroyed civilizations, wiped out entire races."

https://www.sikhnet.com/news/i...ocaust-world-history

8/11/1710:53 PM

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"The massacres perpetuated by Muslims in India are unparalleled in history, bigger than the Holocaust of the Jews by the Nazis; or the massacre of the Armenians by the Turks; more extensive even than the slaughter of the South American native populations by the invading Spanish and Portuguese."