Why I won’t celebrate India’s independence

Why I won't celebrate India's independence


By Tarek Fatah, Toronto Sun

First posted: Tuesday, August 08, 2017 05:33 PM EDT | Updated: Tuesday, August 08, 2017 05:50 PM EDT

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Aug. 15 will mark India's 70th anniversary as a free country. That was the day in 1947 when it emerged from its long, dark, winter of almost 1,000 years of foreign rule.

The first invasion of India, with the intent of permanent occupation and destruction of its Hindu ethos, was made by the Arabs in AD 710.

After that came Afghan, Turkic and Central Asian barbarians who committed untold horrors on a largely civilized and peaceful people.

India still lives with the scars of these invasions, but more on that later.

From the 16th century onwards, it was the turn of the Europeans, who ostensibly came for trade, but reduced India from being one of the most prosperous places on earth, to one of the poorest.

First came the Portuguese, followed by the Dutch, French and finally the British Raj, that lasted 200 years. India's independence 70 years ago came at a huge price and left a permanent scar that may never go away.

The 7,000-year-old Indian civilization born on the plains of Punjab and the River Indus, and in the foothills of the Himalayas, would have both its limbs amputated as the price of freedom.

What began in AD 710 as an Islamic attempt to destroy "Hind" as prophesized in Islama's doctrine of "Ghazwa-e-Hind" (Prophet Muhammad's war on India) led to India losing the very River Indus it was named after to the Islamic State of Pakistan.

The process of India's amputation began on Aug. 16, 1946, barely a year after the Second World War ended, revealing the horrors of the Holocaust, where six million Jews were targeted for annihilation.

The leader of the Pakistan movement in India, M. A. Jinnah, ordered a so-called "Direct Action Day" which ended in the killing of Hindus in the city of Calcutta, to blackmail the secular Indian National Congress to concede to his demand for the "Partition of India."

This so he could carve out an Islamic state, claiming Muslims could not live under the rule of non-Muslims, particularly the supposedly "unclean" Hindus.

On that day Jinnah unleashed his thugs in Calcutta to an orgy of death, slaughtering Hindus without mercy. Thousands were killed.

A Hindu reprisal against Muslims is what Jinnah was hoping for and he got what he had planned.

Days before the riots, Jinnah told a press conference, as reported by American journalist Margaret Bourke-White in her book, Halfway to Freedom: "We will either have a divided India or a destroyed India."

Both Jawaharlal Nehru and Mahatma Gandhi succumbed to Jinnah's blackmail.

By the time the massacres were over, few Hindus or Sikhs were left alive in Lahore, the ancient Hindu city believed to be named after "Luv" the son of Lord Ram.

While Muslims who moved to Pakistan from India came of their own accord, Hindus and Sikhs did not leave their homes on their own account. Many were hunted down and killed or chased away.

Just two years after the world had said "Never Again" what happened to the Jews in Germany happened to Hindus and Sikhs in the new Islamic state.

It is politically incorrect to say so, but the facts stare us in our face.

On Aug.15, this Muslim Indo-Canadian will not celebrate my motherland's amputation.

I leave that for the fiction writers, who live in the rarefied air where lies are passed off as goodwill gestures.

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Muhammad Ali Jinnah was neither the only character, nor the main one, to be blamed for the dismemberment of India. Jinnah got the idea of a separate country for Muslims from a man named Muhammad Iqbal, an Indian lawyer and intellectual. The British colonial government, not caring a drop of parrot's piss about the future of an independent India, used its immense power to grant Jinnah and Iqbal their wishes. Britain's King George V knighted the latter, making him Sir Muhammad Iqbal. He was a loyal Englishman's stooge.

Having said that, Indians in the homeland and the diaspora have every right and reason to celebrate India's 70th Independence Anniversary. Their grandparents, great grandparents and forefathers shed tankfuls of blood, and withstood beatings and imprisonment and privation for Independence. 

Gilbakka is lending his solidarity to Indians and wishes them a happy anniversary on August 15. JAI HIND!

Hey folks, look at the bamboo scaffold that these Indians use.

Indian workers paint a statue of the national emblem, a depiction of the Sarnath Lion Capital of Ashoka, ahead of the forthcoming Independence day celebrations at the state secretariat building in Mumbai on Aug. 7, 2017. (INDRANIL MUKHERJEE/AFP/Getty Images)

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randolph posted:

 Fundamentalist Muslims don't like Tarek Fateh because he tells it the truthful way. I suggest you read - 

Chasing a Mirage: The Tragic lllusion of an Islamic State

No, you are an uneducated idiot to think that FATTA is an inteleuctual, truthful or factual.

He is as truthful and factual as Alex Jones.

 

 

Sir Mohammed Iqbal the man who came up with the idea of Pakistan came from a family of Hindu Kashmiri Brahmins. His grandfather Rattan Lal, a Hindu Kashmiri Brahmin accountant, was the chief revenue collector of the Afghan governor of Kashmir. He was caught stealing and embezzling money from the Kashmiri Treasury. The Afghan governor of Kashmir offered Rattan Lal a choice: he should either convert to Islam or be hanged. Rattan Lal chose to stay alive by converting to Islam. He never stole again.

 

 Muhammad Ali Jinnah married a Parsi woman Rattanbai Petit.  Her father was  Sir Dinshaw Petit and her mother was the daughter of the Tata family. Muhammad Ali Jinnah only child Dinah Jinnah moved back to India and married a Parsi man Nevil Wadia who became very wealthy in India as a textile Businessman. Their only child and Muhammad Ali Jinnah only grandchild Nusli Wadia became an Indian Textile Billionaire by building on his father's wealth.  Nusli Wadia recently converted to Zoroastrianism.  His father's religion. Several Zoroastrian priests did not want to convert him because of his Islamic roots but they decided to convert him to Zoroastrianism because of his Zoroastrian ancestry and also because he is a billionaire.   

ba$eman posted:

Same, why should Indo-Guyanese celebrate Guyana's independence?  For Indo Guyanese, this has been the long march through the Valley of the Shadow of Death and Despair!!

Sectarianism, bigotry, and its horrible descendant, fanaticism, have long possessed this beautiful earth. They have filled the earth with violence, drenched it often and often with human blood, destroyed civilization, and sent whole nations to despair. Had it not been for these horrible demons, human society would be far more advanced than it is now. Swami Vivekananda (1893)

http://www.hinduwebsite.com/history/holocaust.asp

With the invasion of India by Mahmud Ghazni about 1000 A.D., began the Muslim invasions into the Indian subcontinent and they lasted for several centuries. The Muslim invasions continued even when the Muslims were ruling India, like the invasion of the Mongols during the reign of the Khiljis or the invasion of the Mughals in the early sixteenth Century when the Lodis were ruling Delhi. The last notable invasion of the Muslims from outside was the invasion of Nadir Shah in 1739, during which he unleashed a great horror on the native population.

During these seven hundred years of Muslim invasions and their conquest and rule of India, the Hindus were the greatest sufferers. It is difficult to estimate the number of Hindus who lost their lives during these campaigns, the number of Hindus who died because of the religious persecution perpetrated on the native population by the Muslim rulers, and the number of Hindus who were forcibly converted to Islam.

According to Prof. K.S. Lal, the author of the Growth of Muslim population in India, the Hindu population decreased by 80 million between 1000 AD, the year Mahmud Ghazni invaded India and 1525 AD, a year before the battle of Panipat.

One can safely add another 20 million Hindus to this list to account for the number that were killed during the Mughal rule or the rule of the Muslim rulers in the Deccan plateau. By all known accounts of world history, as pointed out by Koenard Elst in his book the Negationism in India, destruction of about 100 million Hindus is perhaps the biggest holocaust in the whole world history.

Europe never forgot or forgave the atrocities of the Nazi rule under Hitler. We hardly come across any positive reference to either Hitler or his army in the present day text books on European History. No one talks there of the qualities of Hitler as a great commander or an inspiring leader of German people whom he could mould and influence with his hypnotic speeches. No films are made showing Hitler as a romantic hero singing songs and his mistress as a heroine shedding copious tears over her lover! 

The European consciousness is filled with the evil deeds perpetrated by his regime, thanks to the untiring work of their politicians, journalists, historians and film producers, so much so that the very thought of seeing any virtue in either Hitler or Nazis is abhorrent to the consciousness of the present day Europeans.

Europe and America produced at least a few thousand films highlighting the human misery caused by Hitler and his army. The films expose the horrors of Nazi regime and reinforce the beliefs and attitude of the present day generation towards the evils of the Nazi dictatorship.

In contrast look at India. There is hardly any awareness among the Indians of today of what happened to their ancestors in the past, because a great majority of historians are reluctant to touch this sensitive subject. It is not difficult for the Indian historians to gather information on the kind of atrocities perpetrated against the people of medieval India, to work out the estimated number people killed in the reign of each ruler, to create vivid pictures of what happened during such battles as the battle of Tallikota when Hampi, the capital of Vijayanagara empire was systematically destroyed for weeks.

Nadir Shah made a mountain of the skulls of the Hindus he killed in Delhi alone. Babur raised towers of Hindu skulls at Khanua when he defeated Rana Sanga in 1527 and later he repeated the same horrors after capturing the fort of Chanderi. Akbar ordered a general massacre of 30000 Rajputs after he captured Chithor in 1568. The Bahamani Sultans had an annual agenda of killing a minimum of 100000 Hindus every year. The history of medieval India is full of such instances.

TBC. http://www.hinduwebsite.com/history/holocaust.asp

 

This world is not about Jews or the Jewish experience only. 1 million of our gypsy cousins were murdered by the NAZIS.

 

Romani (Gypsy) prisoners line up for roll call in the Dachau concentration camp. Germany, June 20, 1938.

— KZ Gedenkstaette Dachau

burning of Rajput Women after the fall of Chittor
The Rajput ceremony of Jauhar (holocaust), 1567, illustration from 'Hutchinsons History of the Nations'

And against this background, look at the films we have produced so far in a country which boasts of the largest film industry in the world, with no dearth of talent and workmanship! We have films like Mugal-e-Azam, Anarkali, or Taj Mahal which romanticize the Mughal rulers, depicting them as great heroes of noble virtues oozing with kindness and love for the humanity! The heroes of Anarkali and Taj Mahal were next to Aurangazeb in their persecution of Hindus and Sikhs. But people are made to see them as romantic heroes and remember songs from these movies with great nostalgia!

One may say why dwell upon unpleasant facts. True, but can we develop the character of a nation without facing the realities of life, however unpleasant they may be? Can we develop the maturity of thought that comes with the sense of suffering and the sense of responsibility? The purpose of knowing these facts is not to heap vengeance, but to strengthen our national character, to avoid the weaknesses that were responsible for the plight of our ancestors. The Muslims of present day India are also part of this character building because they must know that their ancestors also suffered, that as far as the past is concerned all Indians were in the same boat and that there were no victors and no losers in that great human tragedy. Knowing thus, perhaps they would develop proper wisdom and understanding and right attitude towards other communities.

Finally, in what context do we talk of Hitler and Nazis in India?

The answer is even more disturbing. Any one who speaks for Hindus is a Hitler or is in the process of becoming one and any group which speaks for Hindus are Nazis or are in the process of becoming Nazis!

http://www.hinduwebsite.com/history/holocaust.asp

ba$eman posted:
Nehru posted:

The Pakistanis are DEVILS!!!! But we as a people survived despite their Barbaric, Criminal and INHUMAN ways!!!

dem Hindu nationalists ain't deh own hey!!

My Dost from Bangalore visited me recently and he was very emotional about this topic. I might be going there next year. 

Nadir Shah made a mountain of the skulls of the Hindus he killed in Delhi alone. Babur raised towers of Hindu skulls at Khanua when he defeated Rana Sanga in 1527 and later he repeated the same horrors after capturing the fort of Chanderi. Akbar ordered a general massacre of 30000 Rajputs after he captured Chithor in 1568. The Bahamani Sultans had an annual agenda of killing a minimum of 100000 Hindus every year. The history of medieval India is full of such instances.

Prashad posted:

Mitwah you forgot to mention that our Roma Gypsy cousins also suffered from the German holocaust in WW2. They are our genetic relatives.

Please educate us and add them to the count. The Jewish holocaust is not the greatest in the world.

Django posted:
ba$eman posted:

Same, why should Indo-Guyanese celebrate Guyana's independence?  For Indo Guyanese, this has been the long march through the Valley of the Shadow of Death and Despair!!

Bhai,you got to be kidding.

Please don't help him to derail this thread. This is about the Greatest Holocaust in History.

Mitwah posted:
Django posted:
ba$eman posted:

Same, why should Indo-Guyanese celebrate Guyana's independence?  For Indo Guyanese, this has been the long march through the Valley of the Shadow of Death and Despair!!

Bhai,you got to be kidding.

Please don't help him to derail this thread. 

Will do.

Gilbakka posted:

One good thing about this thread: it's sending some posters to check the facts online and relay them here. Thanks. 

Tarek Fatah (born 20 November 1949) is a Canadian writer,[2] broadcaster, secularist and liberal activist.[3]

Fatah is a founder of the Muslim Canadian Congress and served as its communications officer and spokesperson. Fatah advocates gay rights, a separation of religion and state, opposition to sharia law, and advocacy for a "liberal, progressive form" of Islam. Some of his activism and statements have been met with criticism from right-wing Muslim groups.

Tarek Fatah:

Islamic India -The biggest holocaust in World History

The genocide suffered by the Hindus of India at the hands of Arab, Turkish, Mughal and Afghan occupying forces for a period of 800 years is as yet formally unrecognised by the World.

With the invasion of India by Mahmud Ghazni about 1000 A.D., began the Muslim invasions into the Indian subcontinent and they lasted for several centuries. Nadir Shah made a mountain of the skulls of the Hindus he killed in Delhi alone. Babur raised towers of Hindu skulls at Khanua when he defeated Rana Sanga in 1527 and later he repeated the same horrors after capturing the fort of Chanderi. Akbar ordered a general massacre of 30,000 Rajputs after he captured Chithorgarh in 1568. The Bahamani Sultans had an annual agenda of killing a minimum of 100,000 Hindus every year.

The history of medieval India is full of such instances. The holocaust of the Hindus in India continued for 800 years, till the brutal regimes were effectively overpowered in a life and death struggle by the Sikhs in the Panjab and the Hindu Maratha armies in other parts of India in the late 1700's.

We have elaborate literary evidence of the World's biggest holocaust from existing historical contemporary eyewitness accounts. The historians and biographers of the invading armies and subsequent rulers of India have left quite detailed records of the atrocities they committed in their day-to-day encounters with India's Hindus.

These contemporary records boasted about and glorified the crimes that were committed  and the genocide of tens of millions of Hindus, Sikhs, Buddhist and Jainist, mass rapes of women and the destruction of thousands of ancient Hindu / Buddhist temples and libraries have been well documented and provide solid proof of the World's biggest holocaust.

https://www.sikhnet.com/news/i...ocaust-world-history

Quotes from modern historians

Dr. Koenraad Elst in his article "Was There an Islamic Genocide of Hindus?" states:

"There is no official estimate of the total death toll of Hindus at the hands of Islam. A first glance at important testimonies by Muslim chroniclers suggests that, over 13 centuries and a territory as vast as the Subcontinent, Muslim Holy Warriors easily killed more Hindus than the 6 million of the Holocaust. Ferishtha lists several occasions when the Bahmani sultans in central India (1347-1528) killed a hundred thousand Hindus, which they set as a minimum goal whenever they felt like punishing the Hindus; and they were only a third-rank provincial dynasty.

The biggest slaughters took place during the raids of Mahmud Ghaznavi (ca. 1000 CE); during the actual conquest of North India by Mohammed Ghori and his lieutenants (1192 ff.); and under the Delhi Sultanate (1206-1526)."

He also writes in his book "Negation in India":

"The Muslim conquests, down to the 16th century, were for the Hindus a pure struggle of life and death. Entire cities were burnt down and the populations massacred, with hundreds of thousands killed in every campaign, and similar numbers deported as slaves. Every new invader made (often literally) his hills of Hindus skulls. Thus, the conquest of Afghanistan in the year 1000 was followed by the annihilation of the Hindu population; the region is still called the Hindu Kush, i.e. Hindu slaughter."

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Will Durant argued in his 1935 book "The Story of Civilisation: Our Oriental Heritage" (page 459):

"The Mohammedan conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. The Islamic historians and scholars have recorded with great glee and pride the slaughters of Hindus, forced conversions, abduction of Hindu women and children to slave markets and the destruction of temples carried out by the warriors of Islam during 800 AD to 1700 AD. Millions of Hindus were converted to Islam by sword during this period."

https://www.sikhnet.com/news/i...ocaust-world-history

Abu Jihad posted:

"The Mohammedan conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history." 

Mitwah is now a full fledged RSS scout.

It is very insulting to call Muslims Mohammedans, why is the admins allowing this lunatic to post fascist propaganda.

 

Naah. I don't have the authority to edit. I am just posting  research findings  posited by other scholars.  A lot of this is being suppressed in India for the fear of uprisings. 

You are free to point out the propaganda. Don't you agree that the greatest holocaust in the world was in India and that it was not the slaughter of the Jews?

Why is it insulting to call Muslims, Mohammedans?

Abu Jihad posted:

 

It is very insulting to call Muslims Mohammedans, why is the admins allowing this lunatic to post fascist propaganda.

 

Criticism noted and appreciated. But, Abu, up to the early 1970s in Guyana, I recall hearing some Muslims referring to themselves as Mohammedans. That's how I first heard the term. I know for a fact that we Hindus simply called them Muslims or Fullaman, depending on the level of our education. Just being honest, Abu. Terms change over time. What was fashionable a generation ago is no longer so.

Mitwah posted:

Hey folks, look at the bamboo scaffold that these Indians use.

Indian workers paint a statue of the national emblem, a depiction of the Sarnath Lion Capital of Ashoka, ahead of the forthcoming Independence day celebrations at the state secretariat building in Mumbai on Aug. 7, 2017. (INDRANIL MUKHERJEE/AFP/Getty Images)

Ashoka was a Buddhist king who did not like Hindus.  Most likely it is Hindu workers who are painting his emblem. 

Prashad posted:
Mitwah posted:

Hey folks, look at the bamboo scaffold that these Indians use.

Indian workers paint a statue of the national emblem, a depiction of the Sarnath Lion Capital of Ashoka, ahead of the forthcoming Independence day celebrations at the state secretariat building in Mumbai on Aug. 7, 2017. (INDRANIL MUKHERJEE/AFP/Getty Images)

Ashoka was a Buddhist king who did not like Hindus.  Most likely it is Hindu workers who are painting his emblem. 

Got to check on this. If true, how can he say that he was a true Buddhist?

Whoever hates isn't a true follower of Buddha and isn't a Buddhist as this is what was not preached by Buddha.

Francois Gautier in his book "Rewriting Indian History" (1996) wrote:

"The massacres perpetuated by Muslims in India are unparalleled in history, bigger than the Holocaust of the Jews by the Nazis; or the massacre of the Armenians by the Turks; more extensive even than the slaughter of the South American native populations by the invading Spanish and Portuguese."

3-mughal-india-bhai_dyalaji_201011-22 [28K)Alain Danielou in his book, Histoire de lâ Inde writes:

"From the time Muslims started arriving, around 632 AD, the history of India becomes a long, monotonous series of murders, massacres, spoliations, and destructions. It is, as usual, in the name of "a holy war" of their faith, of their sole God, that the barbarians have destroyed civilizations, wiped out entire races."

https://www.sikhnet.com/news/i...ocaust-world-history

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