Why can’t our politics be like our cricket fans and children?

caribny posted:
Drugb posted:
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Apparently you have no idea about budgeting or otherwise..

You cannot even balance your checking account and are rambling like a mad man. What the hell does budgeting have to do with the fact that Jagdeo found money to build a white elephant while Guyanese kids must put up with leaking toilets because the PPP "had no money"?

If the budget was so tight then why incur a need for debt service using scarce foreign exchange for a venture that its unused most of the time.  A glorified Thirst Park its become?  The only CARICOM countries that have less international cricket than Guyana are St Vincent and Dominica.

I see you have no concept of what a budget means. These so called white elephants were secured via grants and loans with the intent to improve the economy.  In your world no development should happen until all toilets are fixed, clearly you are not fit to govern. Go ask your jackass Granger why he didn't fix all toilets in Guyana before giving himself 50% raise. 

Drugb posted:
GTAngler posted:

What about the US, billions spent on arms and yet people are homeless. Your own words. This is what you're calling a balanced approach?

It seems that your head hard, if the US can have homelessness and still spell billions on arms. Why is it not reasonable to expect Guyana to have some aspects of needs not addressed in its society? Every democratic country has homelessness and people that fall through the cracks like caribj. Does it mean they should stop everything else and rush to their aid? Close down ball parks, amusement parks, stop giving tax breaks to businesses etc? The problem with small minded folks like you is that you don't see the big picture, you don't know history. How do you think the pyramids were built?

Ramblings of an idiot. Let's start at the bottom. The Pyramids were built with slave labor by Pharoahs whose only concerns were the afterlife and to build a bigger pyramid that the Pharoah before them. Once again you can't give an answer without bringing the United States in. By the way, in case the big words slipped past you, I did say the Cricket Stadium was a good thing for Guyana. Now let's see if I can get this through to you. We are speaking about GUYANA. How is it that only the aspects not addressed by the previous administrations are not important? You are absolutely right. Homelessness does exist all over the world not just the democratic countries. Apparently in your world people not having a roof over their heads or some sort of health care is perfectly acceptable. Not surprising since that's what your guru's model was. Small rich elite and everybody else to serve them.

GTAngler posted:

Ramblings of an idiot. Let's start at the bottom. The Pyramids were built with slave labor by Pharoahs whose only concerns were the afterlife and to build a bigger pyramid that the Pharoah before them. Once again you can't give an answer without bringing the United States in. By the way, in case the big words slipped past you, I did say the Cricket Stadium was a good thing for Guyana. Now let's see if I can get this through to you. We are speaking about GUYANA. How is it that only the aspects not addressed by the previous administrations are not important? You are absolutely right. Homelessness does exist all over the world not just the democratic countries. Apparently in your world people not having a roof over their heads or some sort of health care is perfectly acceptable. Not surprising since that's what your guru's model was. Small rich elite and everybody else to serve them.

Now you ketch sense. Even though the pyramids were a result of slave labor, this does not mean that they are insignificant and the world would have been better off without them. This is the same with the stadium, it was built at the expense of other needs in the nation, doesn't mean you ppp haters should negate its significance. 

Drugb posted:
GTAngler posted:

Ramblings of an idiot. Let's start at the bottom. The Pyramids were built with slave labor by Pharoahs whose only concerns were the afterlife and to build a bigger pyramid that the Pharoah before them. Once again you can't give an answer without bringing the United States in. By the way, in case the big words slipped past you, I did say the Cricket Stadium was a good thing for Guyana. Now let's see if I can get this through to you. We are speaking about GUYANA. How is it that only the aspects not addressed by the previous administrations are not important? You are absolutely right. Homelessness does exist all over the world not just the democratic countries. Apparently in your world people not having a roof over their heads or some sort of health care is perfectly acceptable. Not surprising since that's what your guru's model was. Small rich elite and everybody else to serve them.

Now you ketch sense. Even though the pyramids were a result of slave labor, this does not mean that they are insignificant and the world would have been better off without them. This is the same with the stadium, it was built at the expense of other needs in the nation, doesn't mean you ppp haters should negate its significance. 

You really should read a little slower. Regardless of circumstance, the stadium is/has been good for Guyana. You obviously can't seem to comprehend that I have nothing against the PPP proper. It's what it morphed into under Janet/Jagdeo that I am against.

GTAngler posted:
You really should read a little slower. Regardless of circumstance, the stadium is/has been good for Guyana. You obviously can't seem to comprehend that I have nothing against the PPP proper. It's what it morphed into under Janet/Jagdeo that I am against.

Then you are arguing for the sake of arguing. Looks like the stench of the slop can got to you\.

Drugb posted:
GTAngler posted:
You really should read a little slower. Regardless of circumstance, the stadium is/has been good for Guyana. You obviously can't seem to comprehend that I have nothing against the PPP proper. It's what it morphed into under Janet/Jagdeo that I am against.

Then you are arguing for the sake of arguing. Looks like the stench of the slop can got to you\.

It's the piss fumes that have rendered you incapable of reading and discerning the true meaning of what you read. Your arguments lack sense and depth and your reasoning is more circular than 360 degrees. Next time read what I write first before jumping to conclusions as some here are predisposed to doing. 

Drugb posted:
caribny posted:
Drugb posted:
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Apparently you have no idea about budgeting or otherwise..

You cannot even balance your checking account and are rambling like a mad man. What the hell does budgeting have to do with the fact that Jagdeo found money to build a white elephant while Guyanese kids must put up with leaking toilets because the PPP "had no money"?

If the budget was so tight then why incur a need for debt service using scarce foreign exchange for a venture that its unused most of the time.  A glorified Thirst Park its become?  The only CARICOM countries that have less international cricket than Guyana are St Vincent and Dominica.

I see you have no concept of what a budget means. These so called white elephants were secured via grants and loans with the intent to improve the economy. . 

I am still waiting for you to discuss what employment and foreign exchange was due to Providence.  Yes LOANS.

Now I know that you borrow and don't repay your loans but this isn't the usual practice. A loan isn't free money. Unless a project generates returns to offset debt service then it is a white elephant

 

caribny posted:

I am still waiting for you to discuss what employment and foreign exchange was due to Providence.  Yes LOANS.

Now I know that you borrow and don't repay your loans but this isn't the usual practice. A loan isn't free money. Unless a project generates returns to offset debt service then it is a white elephant

 

As usual, you don't know what you are talking about. 6M US grant and 20M US soft loan both from India.  I say this is a bargain for what was accomplished. You would rather take the 20M US and give a one time sport so Blacks can wine down and backball. 

Drugb posted:
 20M US soft loan both from India.  I. 

I am still waiting for you t outline how this will be repaid.

And yes druggie the MAIN purpose of Providence is to host visiting soca and reggae and chutney artistes so yes, a lot of wining down is happening there. Except that this isn't generating the US dollars that are needed to repay those Indians.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJbnnmxwioU

I don't think those are black people.  

caribny posted:
Drugb posted:
 20M US soft loan both from India.  I. 

I am still waiting for you t outline how this will be repaid.

And yes druggie the MAIN purpose of Providence is to host visiting soca and reggae and chutney artistes so yes, a lot of wining down is happening there. Except that this isn't generating the US dollars that are needed to repay those Indians.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJbnnmxwioU

I don't think those are black people.  

Why do I have to keep hammering this into your head year in year out? The PPP paid off the stadium debt already.  The intent of the stadium was never to be a money making machine. In fact if you look around the US, all stadiums run at a loss and are subsidized by the tax payers. 

Drugb posted:
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..  The intent of the stadium was never to be a money making machine. In fact if you look around the US, all stadiums run at a loss and are subsidized by the tax payers. 

Assuming that the PPP did pay off the stadium, and you have furnished no proof that they did, then it was done at a time when the PPP screamed that it had no money to invest in UG and the physical condition of most of the schools was a disgrace.

The stadium is a luxury that a poor nation like Guyana can ill afford.  And in fact there is a widespread consensus that lavish stadiums in the USA are corporate corruption and that these funds should be invested in the schools, many of which are also in poor shape.

Now I know that a self hating white loving racist thinks that you can rebut the argument by wailing that the Americans do it. Go take that attitude to your fellow Indo KKK who literally suckout the asses of white KKK members, get kicked by these people, but still scream "massa".  This while they view you all as toilet paper.

caribny posted:

Assuming that the PPP did pay off the stadium, and you have furnished no proof that they did, then it was done at a time when the PPP screamed that it had no money to invest in UG and the physical condition of most of the schools was a disgrace.

The stadium is a luxury that a poor nation like Guyana can ill afford.  And in fact there is a widespread consensus that lavish stadiums in the USA are corporate corruption and that these funds should be invested in the schools, many of which are also in poor shape.

Now I know that a self hating white loving racist thinks that you can rebut the argument by wailing that the Americans do it. Go take that attitude to your fellow Indo KKK who literally suckout the asses of white KKK members, get kicked by these people, but still scream "massa".  This while they view you all as toilet paper.

The stadium is a symbol of hope and optimism, not a luxury. UG should be run as a private school, govt should not be in the business of managing higher education.   

Drugb posted:
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The stadium is a symbol of hope and optimism, not a luxury. .

Now one would have thought that a well equipped university capable of turning out cutting edge talent that Guyana sorely needs would be the best way for hope and optimism.

Or a hospital which people went to anticipating quality care. G/T hospital in fact was so bad that even Jagdeo fled to Florida to deal with his "run belly".  That hospital was run by PPP stooges so don't blame black people for its sordid state under the PPP.

Interesting how a stadium should be stated owned but a university should be privately owned. Note to you. In a nation where there isn't a traditional of philanthropy having privately run universities isn't feasible.  Quality universities worldwide are NONPROFIT ventures.

caribny posted:
Drugb posted:
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The stadium is a symbol of hope and optimism, not a luxury. .

Now one would have thought that a well equipped university capable of turning out cutting edge talent that Guyana sorely needs would be the best way for hope and optimism.

Or a hospital which people went to anticipating quality care. G/T hospital in fact was so bad that even Jagdeo fled to Florida to deal with his "run belly".  That hospital was run by PPP stooges so don't blame black people for its sordid state under the PPP.

Interesting how a stadium should be stated owned but a university should be privately owned. Note to you. In a nation where there isn't a traditional of philanthropy having privately run universities isn't feasible.  Quality universities worldwide are NONPROFIT ventures.

I don't believe that education at the university level should be controlled by govt. There may be grants, but the university should be self sustaining based on income. They govt should give financial aid to students which in turn could be used to finance libraries etc. Govt should not be running universities. It is a formula for disaster, notice what a wonderful job they are doing running sugar and other ventures outside politics. 

Drugb posted:
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I don't believe that education at the university level should be controlled by govt. There may be grants, but the university should be self sustaining based on income. They govt should give financial aid to students which in turn could be used to finance libraries etc. Govt should not be running universities. It is a formula for disaster, notice what a wonderful job they are doing running sugar and other ventures outside politics. 

So in a country like Guyana who is going to fund the university?  The students through school fees?  A private investor needs a return on his invested capital. So where is he going to get this? 

The cost to run a college, including a return on investment will imply high tuition if it is to be fully funded by students.  So how will students be able to pay back the loans? Already in the USA, with its much higher salaries we have a student loan crisis, so what of impoverished Guyana where professionals earn the same salaries as baby sitters in Barbados!

Education is a social good and in a poor country this has to be guaranteed by the government.  And I don't understand your screams when there are loads of state owned colleges in the USA. And there is also CUNY. Even though there are ample foundations and even though larger universities here have endowments which can be used to fund the financing gaps.

Why is it OK for a stadium to be government owned and a university not?

At this rate why should we even have a government at all? What functions should the government have if access to education isn't something that it should be involved in. Yes have a lawless society like Somalia where no government exists.

Drugb posted:
caribny posted:

Assuming that the PPP did pay off the stadium, and you have furnished no proof that they did, then it was done at a time when the PPP screamed that it had no money to invest in UG and the physical condition of most of the schools was a disgrace.

The stadium is a luxury that a poor nation like Guyana can ill afford.  And in fact there is a widespread consensus that lavish stadiums in the USA are corporate corruption and that these funds should be invested in the schools, many of which are also in poor shape.

Now I know that a self hating white loving racist thinks that you can rebut the argument by wailing that the Americans do it. Go take that attitude to your fellow Indo KKK who literally suckout the asses of white KKK members, get kicked by these people, but still scream "massa".  This while they view you all as toilet paper.

The stadium is a symbol of hope and optimism, not a luxury. UG should be run as a private school, govt should not be in the business of managing higher education.   

I don't know how familiar you are with the education system in Guyana, particularly in Georgetown. Most of those students that are excelling are taking lessons and sometimes from the same teachers. The level of public school education has dropped. Teachers, and I am generalizing here, teach the minimum and make money on the side. Even the private school students are taking lessons but to a lesser degree. This is coming from friends and people living there. What the Government needs to do is what they used to do. Have evaluators sit in classrooms.

GTAngler posted:
Drugb posted:
caribny posted:

Assuming that the PPP did pay off the stadium, and you have furnished no proof that they did, then it was done at a time when the PPP screamed that it had no money to invest in UG and the physical condition of most of the schools was a disgrace.

The stadium is a luxury that a poor nation like Guyana can ill afford.  And in fact there is a widespread consensus that lavish stadiums in the USA are corporate corruption and that these funds should be invested in the schools, many of which are also in poor shape.

Now I know that a self hating white loving racist thinks that you can rebut the argument by wailing that the Americans do it. Go take that attitude to your fellow Indo KKK who literally suckout the asses of white KKK members, get kicked by these people, but still scream "massa".  This while they view you all as toilet paper.

The stadium is a symbol of hope and optimism, not a luxury. UG should be run as a private school, govt should not be in the business of managing higher education.   

I don't know how familiar you are with the education system in Guyana, particularly in Georgetown. Most of those students that are excelling are taking lessons and sometimes from the same teachers. The level of public school education has dropped. Teachers, and I am generalizing here, teach the minimum and make money on the side. Even the private school students are taking lessons but to a lesser degree. This is coming from friends and people living there. What the Government needs to do is what they used to do. Have evaluators sit in classrooms.

I should have prefaced this with the Stadium is both hope and optimism and also a luxury.

GTAngler posted:

I should have prefaced this with the Stadium is both hope and optimism and also a luxury.

Shoulda woulda coulda. Why don't you tell the truth. Lilmohan call a staff meeting and reprimanded you for agreeing with any development under the PPP. 

GTAngler posted:

I don't know how familiar you are with the education system in Guyana, particularly in Georgetown. Most of those students that are excelling are taking lessons and sometimes from the same teachers. The level of public school education has dropped. Teachers, and I am generalizing here, teach the minimum and make money on the side. Even the private school students are taking lessons but to a lesser degree. This is coming from friends and people living there. What the Government needs to do is what they used to do. Have evaluators sit in classrooms.

 I am familiar with the extra lessons syndrome.  I happen to come from a line of educators.  I will tell you that first and foremost, if the level of education in the public school has dropped, the blame should be laid at the feet of the govt, the ministry of education for not holding the teachers accountable in a result oriented manner,  and loosely enforcing curriculum.  The teachers can be held accountable, however with the pay that they receive they will invariably quit should pressure be applied. The govt in essence is shifting the cost of educating the kids in the public school system back to the parents via these extra lessons. 

caribny posted:

So in a country like Guyana who is going to fund the university?  The students through school fees?  A private investor needs a return on his invested capital. So where is he going to get this? 

The cost to run a college, including a return on investment will imply high tuition if it is to be fully funded by students.  So how will students be able to pay back the loans? Already in the USA, with its much higher salaries we have a student loan crisis, so what of impoverished Guyana where professionals earn the same salaries as baby sitters in Barbados!

Education is a social good and in a poor country this has to be guaranteed by the government.  And I don't understand your screams when there are loads of state owned colleges in the USA. And there is also CUNY. Even though there are ample foundations and even though larger universities here have endowments which can be used to fund the financing gaps.

Why is it OK for a stadium to be government owned and a university not?

At this rate why should we even have a government at all? What functions should the government have if access to education isn't something that it should be involved in. Yes have a lawless society like Somalia where no government exists.

Man your head is hard, all these years I have been hammering sense into your thick skull but yet you regress to asinine assumptions. 

How can you compare a stadium, an inanimate object, to a university, a living breathing dynamic entity which requires educators, students, curriculum and learning aids? This is a comparison of apples to oranges. 

Govt should not be in the business of higher education, their skill is politics, not running schools and industry. 

Drugb posted:

How can you compare a stadium, an inanimate object, to a university, a living breathing dynamic entity which requires educators, students, curriculum and learning aids? This is a comparison of apples to oranges. 

 

You think that a government can own a stadium but ought not to be involved in education. Or that the hospital can be so deplorable that Jagdeo was afraid to get treatment there for basic "run belly".  This when his crony were running that hospital.

Put aside the fact that even the capitalist USA has a massive system of government owned colleges.  Even right wing states like Texas

Yet you think that Guyana can support a privately owned university where there are no endowments or foundations.

Note to you. A university isn't like some "cram shop" where students are trained to pass exams.

How will the cost to fully educate a student be funded?  The level of tuition that will have to be charged will be way beyond 

Yes Jagdeo could waste taxpayers' funds to build a stadium and even more to celebrate his birthday there and then punish those civil servants who refused to attend.  This is exactly what Burnham would do and exactly why government should NOT own a stadium.  He is like one of those African dictators.

caribny posted:

You think that a government can own a stadium but ought not to be involved in education. Or that the hospital can be so deplorable that Jagdeo was afraid to get treatment there for basic "run belly".  This when his crony were running that hospital.

Put aside the fact that even the capitalist USA has a massive system of government owned colleges.  Even right wing states like Texas

Yet you think that Guyana can support a privately owned university where there are no endowments or foundations.

Note to you. A university isn't like some "cram shop" where students are trained to pass exams.

How will the cost to fully educate a student be funded?  The level of tuition that will have to be charged will be way beyond 

Yes Jagdeo could waste taxpayers' funds to build a stadium and even more to celebrate his birthday there and then punish those civil servants who refused to attend.  This is exactly what Burnham would do and exactly why government should NOT own a stadium.  He is like one of those African dictators.

By the same token how do you explain the spending by govt on 50% raises for themselves while the university and hospitals have all these ills? Why did jackass Granger build that monstrosity at Durban park and didn't fund the school system and hospitals? Why is Nagamootoo driving around in 5 different vehicles while these ills exists?  At least Guyana has a stadium under Jagdeo, what does it have to show under the PNC? Hard times, murder, fleeing businesses as the Black party continue to mismanage the economy.  Govt officials under the PNC teking nuff nuff overseas trips, giving their relatives taxpayers funded scholarships to study overseas. GDF/GPF getting nuff nuff overseas trips while the schools and hospitals continue to languish. 

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