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Mr.T posted:
skeldon_man posted:
Mr.T posted:

The only country that I can find is Bangladesh. So what is the purpose of its introduction in Guyana?

So your PNC boys can steal more. Why ask?

I don't know where you get the idea from that I am PNC, but if you lived close by I would beat you to death with pleasure for saying that.

I don't doubt that you are a criminal. You get pleasure for doing other things that most people don't.

FM

Most of Guyana's scholars and workforce comes out of the public school system, not private.  If the Govt impose VAT of private schooling, it surely should be at a reduced rate as education is a basic right.  Furthermore, the revenues derived from this source should be ring-fenced and used to improve the quality of rural public education.

I am not shedding too many tears over the fact that the top 1% are asked to pay some taxes.  Again however, it should not be at 14%, this is not fair!

FM
Bibi Haniffa posted:

The one thing that Burnham had going for him was a good education system.  Granger is on track to become Guyana's worst President.  The biggest difference between these two dictators is that one was sane!

So exactly what are you saying here?  Has there been a proliferation of private education?

FM
yuji22 posted:

Base,

This is an unfair tax regardless if it is one percent or fourteen percent.

As Bibi Indicated, Burnham had a good education going and it was free and there was no tax on education. 

Granger and the PNC must be condemned this tax. 

I don't think were talking here of tax on public education!  Tax collection in Guyana is porous and tax evasion rife so the Govt is finding ways to capture these at the consumption side.  You argument is no different than saying progressive rates are unfair!

FM

Baseman, first, where did you get the top 1 percents figure regarding those sending their children to private school. Second, private education has blossomed in Guyana because the effectiveness of the public system has been very low. Look at the scores for the grade 6 and CXC math and English examinations. Third, many poorer parents are sending their kids to private schools, making sacrifice because they know the value of a sound education. Fourth, the policy of applying VAT to private education is a poor policy choice, something which the minister of education seems to agree with. Fifth, one of the reasons given is that many of the schools are not tax compliant. Why pressure the parents when it is the owners that are not in conformity? Is  the government move move motivated more by ideology than by revenue collection?

Z
Zed posted:

Baseman, first, where did you get the top 1 percents figure regarding those sending their children to private school. Second, private education has blossomed in Guyana because the effectiveness of the public system has been very low. Look at the scores for the grade 6 and CXC math and English examinations. Third, many poorer parents are sending their kids to private schools, making sacrifice because they know the value of a sound education. Fourth, the policy of applying VAT to private education is a poor policy choice, something which the minister of education seems to agree with. Fifth, one of the reasons given is that many of the schools are not tax compliant. Why pressure the parents when it is the owners that are not in conformity? Is  the government move move motivated more by ideology than by revenue collection?

So are you saying Burnham's great public education system fell apart under the PPP giving rise to this blossoming of private schools?  Something don't add up here.  The PPP rebuilt, upgraded and expanded lots of public schools.  Guyana's population has remained static.  The public schools are full and running over.  From where did this big supply pipeline for private school students materialize?  This just don't add up!

FM
ba$eman posted:
Zed posted:

Baseman, first, where did you get the top 1 percents figure regarding those sending their children to private school. Second, private education has blossomed in Guyana because the effectiveness of the public system has been very low. Look at the scores for the grade 6 and CXC math and English examinations. Third, many poorer parents are sending their kids to private schools, making sacrifice because they know the value of a sound education. Fourth, the policy of applying VAT to private education is a poor policy choice, something which the minister of education seems to agree with. Fifth, one of the reasons given is that many of the schools are not tax compliant. Why pressure the parents when it is the owners that are not in conformity? Is  the government move move motivated more by ideology than by revenue collection?

So are you saying Burnham's great public education system fell apart under the PPP giving rise to this blossoming of private schools?  Something don't add up here.  The PPP rebuilt, upgraded and expanded lots of public schools.  Guyana's population has remained static.  The public schools are full and running over.  From where did this big supply pipeline for private school students materialize?  This just don't add up!

Where did I concede that burnham had a great public education system?  

Yes, the PPP government has certainly increased education funding to then unprecedented levels, but the effectiveness of the education system to add value had not been high, when we take into account a lag factor. In all fairness to the PPP, achievements  levels increased. There are systemic reasons for the low achievement levels.

 

Z
Zed posted:

I have tried to get info on how many or what proportion of the grade 6 students who write the exams were from private schools, but has been unable to do so. Maybe Django who is adept at retrieving such info can find it.

Two-thirds of top Grade Six students from private schools

-Success Elementary has highest number

Two-thirds of the top one percent of students who sat this year’s National Grade Six examination are from private schools.

The results released yesterday by the Ministry of Education show that 102 of the 158 students who make up the top 1% have been educated at 18 private schools across the country. This represent 64.6% of the country’s top performers. The remaining 56 or 35.4 students are shared among 35 public schools

Of the 18 private schools whose students have scored in the top 1%, Success Elementary has the highest number at 20 followed by Academy of Excellence with 17 students and Mae’s Under 12 with 15 students.

A majority of the primary schools which have students on the list have only one student. Leonora Secondary however managed to have 6 students who earned a place in the top 1%.

Minister of Education Dr. Rupert Roopnaraine has meanwhile once again stated that he is not satisfied with the results of the National Grade Six Assessment.

Speaking yesterday to media operatives gathered at the National Centre for Educational Resource Development (NCERD), the Minister said that it would be a bit hasty at this time to express satisfaction.

“I would like to see a little bit more concentration, more work and I would like to see teachers in the classrooms, really ensuring that their curriculums are delivered and received by the students and above all, I want to really lift the level of the education system. I think there is still a great deal to be done,” he noted.

This year marks the beginning of a collaboration between the Ministry and the Caribbean Examinations Council (CXC) to improve the quality of all primary grade assessments.

According to the Minis-try, the objective of this consultation is to ensure that all assessments conform to regional and international testing standards. Consequently, Guyanese educators developed the 2016 NGSA test items with technical guidance from CXC, addressing key areas such as item construction, weighting and sampling.

Last year when Dr Roopnaraine was asked to address the trend of private schools outpacing public schools, he had said that an “attempt to create a dichotomy or even a sense of rivalry” between the public and private school system is unnecessary.

Asked by Stabroek News whether an analysis of the performance of all students who sat the examination would be made public, Chief Education Officer Olato Sam said that was not the Ministry’s intention.

“We are in the process of examining students’ performance in every area of the examination but those reports are for the schools since it is they who will have to put systems in place to correct these matters,” Sam said.

14,386 students wrote the National Grade Six Assessment (NGSA) on the 27 and 28 of April 2016. This year marked the first time in nearly a decade students were placed using only the results of the Grade Six exam. In 2007 the Ministry had announced that students who had written the Grade Two assessment in 2003 and the Grade Four assessment in 2005 were awarded places at secondary schools based on a weighting of their scores at all three “assessments”. Since that time the grade two assessment was responsible for 5% of their final score, the grade four 10% while the grade six assessment was responsible for 85% until the Ministry declared in 2015 that these assessments will now be used “strictly for diagnostic purposes, as was initially intended.”


Zed,

Here you go,hope this helps.

Django
Last edited by Django

Did all you folks including Base and Bibi drink any PnC Kool aid?  Burnham did not have a good education system. The difference today is that kids are more belligerent and teachers have more options to migrate.  The funding to the schools was a pittance in Burnham times.  No advanced equipment nor suppmental learning programs, special ed etc existed under Burnham.  

FM
Drugb posted:

Did all you folks including Base and Bibi drink any PnC Kool aid?  Burnham did not have a good education system. The difference today is that kids are more belligerent and teachers have more options to migrate.  The funding to the schools was a pittance in Burnham times.  No advanced equipment nor suppmental learning programs, special ed etc existed under Burnham.  

You must take the time to understand what baseman saying.  Bibi is the one who said that, then added the Granger destroying the system with his VAT on education.  I merely exposed the inconsistencies by invoking "if-then" as none add up!

I agree with you that education deteriorated under Burnham but he focused on a few which were PNC strongholds.

FM

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